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Visit to Polish State Archives, Warsaw #warsaw #poland

Elliott Simonberg
 

I may visit the Polish State Archives in Warsaw this fall. Has anybody
recently visited there and conducted personal research? Through
JRI-Poland, I have found out the names of a number of relatives with
accompanying index information. LDS films exist for some of the records.
Where there are no index records, is the best approach simply to visit the
archives? How helpful are the people there, given language barriers,
especially where exact years are not known and some individuals' records
are probably in years that have not been indexed so far. I realize one can
order records >from PSA as well. How easy and efficient has that process
gone for people?

Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide.

Elliott Simonberg, Denver,Colorado



Elliott Simonberg
emsberg1@mindspring.com
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.


Where to find info on Aunt and Uncle who both were Pharmacists in Warszwa 1930 until ? #warsaw #poland

Michele Atias
 

Does anyone have an idea where and how I might search
for info on my Great Aunt and Uncle who were both
pharmacists living in Warsaw in the 1930's? I only
know my great aunt's maiden name. I thought to search
maybe business directories etc >from that era trying to
match two spouses who were pharmacists and wife's
given name. I know that neither of them survived the
war.
Any helpful hints would be greatly appreciated.

Michele Atias


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Visit to Polish State Archives, Warsaw #warsaw #poland

Elliott Simonberg
 

I may visit the Polish State Archives in Warsaw this fall. Has anybody
recently visited there and conducted personal research? Through
JRI-Poland, I have found out the names of a number of relatives with
accompanying index information. LDS films exist for some of the records.
Where there are no index records, is the best approach simply to visit the
archives? How helpful are the people there, given language barriers,
especially where exact years are not known and some individuals' records
are probably in years that have not been indexed so far. I realize one can
order records >from PSA as well. How easy and efficient has that process
gone for people?

Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide.

Elliott Simonberg, Denver,Colorado



Elliott Simonberg
emsberg1@mindspring.com
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Where to find info on Aunt and Uncle who both were Pharmacists in Warszwa 1930 until ? #warsaw #poland

Michele Atias
 

Does anyone have an idea where and how I might search
for info on my Great Aunt and Uncle who were both
pharmacists living in Warsaw in the 1930's? I only
know my great aunt's maiden name. I thought to search
maybe business directories etc >from that era trying to
match two spouses who were pharmacists and wife's
given name. I know that neither of them survived the
war.
Any helpful hints would be greatly appreciated.

Michele Atias


LDS Film Contents #hungary

alex p miller <alex.miller@...>
 

Hi

I am looking for some logic on what villages appear on what films. I
reviewed recently the LDS Catalog-- Szabolcs county, a total of 19 films.

There are some films which list only one village as item(certainly won't
fill up the entire film!), and some others which apparently include
villages >from different districts. An alpha sort also doesn't seem to
work

Best Regards,

Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
alex.miller@ juno.com


Las Vegas Conference #hungary

alex p miller <alex.miller@...>
 

Hello Friends,

Could someone who attended the Las Vegas Conference give us homebodies a
brief rundown of the Hsig related events/ issues/ developments?


Best Regards,

Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
alex.miller@ juno.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary LDS Film Contents #hungary

alex p miller <alex.miller@...>
 

Hi

I am looking for some logic on what villages appear on what films. I
reviewed recently the LDS Catalog-- Szabolcs county, a total of 19 films.

There are some films which list only one village as item(certainly won't
fill up the entire film!), and some others which apparently include
villages >from different districts. An alpha sort also doesn't seem to
work

Best Regards,

Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
alex.miller@ juno.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Las Vegas Conference #hungary

alex p miller <alex.miller@...>
 

Hello Friends,

Could someone who attended the Las Vegas Conference give us homebodies a
brief rundown of the Hsig related events/ issues/ developments?


Best Regards,

Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
alex.miller@ juno.com


תשובה: Re:[h-sig] BIRTH RECORDS #hungary

Omri Arnon <omri@...>
 

My Great grandmother Berta Prager was >from Nagykanizsa, which is also =
not too far >from Zalaegerszeg and Keszthely. She married my GGf Gyula Reinitz,
Her father's name was Leopold (Lipot=3F) Prager=2E Does this sound familiar?

Thanks=2C
Omri Arnon
Israel


Re: How to get a book? #austria-czech

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

It might be expensive, but you could pay to have a photocopy made. For rare
books, this is sometimes allowed.
Lynn Saul

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Venetianer" <tom.vene@uol.com.br>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:41 AM
Subject: [h-sig] How to get a book?


Dear all,

I need a tip. My uncle, a Holocaust victim and a quite prominent lawyer,
wrote a book, published in 1938. I discovered a copy in a Slovak library and
tried to buy it but was turned down by the chief librarian.

Any ideas about how I could convince her to sell it to me. To the library
the book is just an old tractate dusting on their shelves, for me an
invaluable memorabilia.

Many thanks and regards
Tom
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary תשובה: Re:[h-sig] BIRTH RECORDS #hungary

Omri Arnon <omri@...>
 

My Great grandmother Berta Prager was >from Nagykanizsa, which is also =
not too far >from Zalaegerszeg and Keszthely. She married my GGf Gyula Reinitz,
Her father's name was Leopold (Lipot=3F) Prager=2E Does this sound familiar?

Thanks=2C
Omri Arnon
Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: How to get a book? #hungary

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

It might be expensive, but you could pay to have a photocopy made. For rare
books, this is sometimes allowed.
Lynn Saul

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Venetianer" <tom.vene@uol.com.br>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:41 AM
Subject: [h-sig] How to get a book?


Dear all,

I need a tip. My uncle, a Holocaust victim and a quite prominent lawyer,
wrote a book, published in 1938. I discovered a copy in a Slovak library and
tried to buy it but was turned down by the chief librarian.

Any ideas about how I could convince her to sell it to me. To the library
the book is just an old tractate dusting on their shelves, for me an
invaluable memorabilia.

Many thanks and regards
Tom
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Yad Vashem Database As A Research Tool #hungary

Silberman, Alfred (US SSA) <alfred.silberman@...>
 

I recently completed transcribing the Hajdunanas Jewish Vital Statistics
(1852 - 1895). As part of this effort I tried using the Yad Vashem
database for cross checking and correlating data. I spent a great deal
of time accessing this database to try to cull the information of
interest to me. Unfortunately, I found a great deal of problems with
using this database for research purposes. I have sent E-Mail to Yad
Vashem several times but there seems to be very little interest at Yad
Vashem in improving the database. In my opinion, the state of the
database does not reflect what it should have been by now after 50 years
of receiving their mandate of properly documenting the victims of the
Shoah.

I would like to list here some of the problems which I encountered in
order to make people aware of some of pitfalls which exist so that they
may improve their chances of finding records of interest. BTW - There is
still a technical problem on their computer system whereby a message is
returned saying that no data was found for the query although the data
does exist and repeat tries will return proper data. [Lately, I've been
getting the Yad Vashem home page instead of data.] I have written to
them several times about this problem but they refuse to address it.=20

Regarding my reseatch, I requested records on individuals who were born
in Hajdunanas between 1860 and 1895 using the Advanced Search feature
(requires multiple queries because the form only allows + / - 5 years).
I was able to get back 293 records. 91 of these could not be traced to
anyone born, married or died in Hajdunanas during the period in
question. For many of the others, I was able to find a connection to
Hajdunanas although they were not born there. Altogether, I was able to
identify 157 unique individuals in Hajdunanas who could possibly be
referred to by these records. I assume that most of the errors are
mis-identifications as to the city of birth.

This ratio of about 1.3 records per individual is, I think, lower than
it would be for the database in general. This may be due to the
relatively high number of entries >from deportation lists (rather than
Daf-Eds) for Hajdunanas. Of the total number of records, about 30% were
from deportation lists - which I think is a relatively high number. For
Bodrogkeresztur, the percentage is only about 12%.

The Advanced Search feature has the advantage that one can narrow the
request domain but has the distinct disadvantage that it filters out
desired individuals for various reasons and I was compelled to use the
Basic Search to ferret out the ones inadvertently filtered.

Problem: Request everyone born in Bodrogkeresztur in 1875 and four
entries are returned. Now, request everyone born in 1873 + / - 2 years
(1871-1875) and there are NO entries for 1875 !

The biggest improvement which can and should be made to this database is
a "Linked To" feature. Although Yad Vashem personnel probably would not
want to link records as referring to the same person (as well as
benefiting them by giving the impression that they have many more people
in their database than they really have), the public should be able to
suggest which records refer to the same person. The database should then
automatically display all records which are linked. This is particularly
important for women where some records list them only by the married
name and others only by the original name and others by both.

Here is an example for my great-grandfather (data is >from the Full
Record Details page): I found four records (all submitted by relatives):

- Michal Schwarc born in Hungary (no city given) in
1875

- Michael Schwartz born in Tokaj, Hungary in 1875

- Mikhael (hacohen transcribed as Aharon) Shvartz
born in Haidunanas, Hungary in 1860

- Michal Schvartz born in Hajdu Nanas, Hungary in
1866

These all refer to the very same person. All four records appear when
the request is made for Tokaj (since he lived there) but only 2 appear
if the requested city is Hajdunanas where he was really born. These four
records should be linked to each other.

=20
Another example:
Maria / Malka Schindler nee Engel born in Alsokomarocz but lived in
Hajdunanas - using the Basic Search :

Produces NO hits if entered as Malka Engel >from Alsokomarocz;

Produces ONE hit if entered as Maria Engel >from Alsokomarocz;

Produces THREE hits if entered as Maria Schindler >from Hajdunanas.

Produces FOUR hits if entered as Malka Schindler >from Hajdunanas (only
one matches the 3 received if entered as Maria);

Another example:
Search for Jakab Gottdiener in Hajdunanas and you get two hits; Abraham
& Jakab (same person). Search for Abraham Gottdiener and you get only
one hit.

Surprisingly, if you search for Baruch Grunfeld in Hajdunanas you get
only 2 hits but if you search for Baruch Grinfeld you get 4 hits. I
would have expected these to be cognates in the YV database.

It would be nice if the records returned can be sorted by date of birth.
Then I wouldn't need to look through thirty or more pages (in some
cases) to find the people of interest.

The page which comes up as "More Details..." does NOT have all the
information which exists on the Daf-Ed. The number of children for the
individual frequently appears in the Daf-Ed but I have not seen it
transcribed. I have seen the father's name and others omitted,
presumably because the transcriber could not decipher it. It would be
nice if it were stated that it could not be deciphered (I have seen some
records which do specify that a field is undecipherable but this does
not seem to be a ground rule.)

There are many transcription errors. Rachel Zussman is transcribed as
Dosmen (mistook Zayin for a Daleth). I have seen gender errors where
women are listed as Male and men as Female.

In general, I have found the information given by Nevek as the most
accurate followed by information given by children. Other information
can be quite erroneous.=20

It is very important to actually look at the originally submitted
document. The information transcribed is not necessarily the information
submitted.

Alfred Silberman
Monsey, NY


Hungary SIG #Hungary Yad Vashem Database As A Research Tool #hungary

Silberman, Alfred (US SSA) <alfred.silberman@...>
 

I recently completed transcribing the Hajdunanas Jewish Vital Statistics
(1852 - 1895). As part of this effort I tried using the Yad Vashem
database for cross checking and correlating data. I spent a great deal
of time accessing this database to try to cull the information of
interest to me. Unfortunately, I found a great deal of problems with
using this database for research purposes. I have sent E-Mail to Yad
Vashem several times but there seems to be very little interest at Yad
Vashem in improving the database. In my opinion, the state of the
database does not reflect what it should have been by now after 50 years
of receiving their mandate of properly documenting the victims of the
Shoah.

I would like to list here some of the problems which I encountered in
order to make people aware of some of pitfalls which exist so that they
may improve their chances of finding records of interest. BTW - There is
still a technical problem on their computer system whereby a message is
returned saying that no data was found for the query although the data
does exist and repeat tries will return proper data. [Lately, I've been
getting the Yad Vashem home page instead of data.] I have written to
them several times about this problem but they refuse to address it.=20

Regarding my reseatch, I requested records on individuals who were born
in Hajdunanas between 1860 and 1895 using the Advanced Search feature
(requires multiple queries because the form only allows + / - 5 years).
I was able to get back 293 records. 91 of these could not be traced to
anyone born, married or died in Hajdunanas during the period in
question. For many of the others, I was able to find a connection to
Hajdunanas although they were not born there. Altogether, I was able to
identify 157 unique individuals in Hajdunanas who could possibly be
referred to by these records. I assume that most of the errors are
mis-identifications as to the city of birth.

This ratio of about 1.3 records per individual is, I think, lower than
it would be for the database in general. This may be due to the
relatively high number of entries >from deportation lists (rather than
Daf-Eds) for Hajdunanas. Of the total number of records, about 30% were
from deportation lists - which I think is a relatively high number. For
Bodrogkeresztur, the percentage is only about 12%.

The Advanced Search feature has the advantage that one can narrow the
request domain but has the distinct disadvantage that it filters out
desired individuals for various reasons and I was compelled to use the
Basic Search to ferret out the ones inadvertently filtered.

Problem: Request everyone born in Bodrogkeresztur in 1875 and four
entries are returned. Now, request everyone born in 1873 + / - 2 years
(1871-1875) and there are NO entries for 1875 !

The biggest improvement which can and should be made to this database is
a "Linked To" feature. Although Yad Vashem personnel probably would not
want to link records as referring to the same person (as well as
benefiting them by giving the impression that they have many more people
in their database than they really have), the public should be able to
suggest which records refer to the same person. The database should then
automatically display all records which are linked. This is particularly
important for women where some records list them only by the married
name and others only by the original name and others by both.

Here is an example for my great-grandfather (data is >from the Full
Record Details page): I found four records (all submitted by relatives):

- Michal Schwarc born in Hungary (no city given) in
1875

- Michael Schwartz born in Tokaj, Hungary in 1875

- Mikhael (hacohen transcribed as Aharon) Shvartz
born in Haidunanas, Hungary in 1860

- Michal Schvartz born in Hajdu Nanas, Hungary in
1866

These all refer to the very same person. All four records appear when
the request is made for Tokaj (since he lived there) but only 2 appear
if the requested city is Hajdunanas where he was really born. These four
records should be linked to each other.

=20
Another example:
Maria / Malka Schindler nee Engel born in Alsokomarocz but lived in
Hajdunanas - using the Basic Search :

Produces NO hits if entered as Malka Engel >from Alsokomarocz;

Produces ONE hit if entered as Maria Engel >from Alsokomarocz;

Produces THREE hits if entered as Maria Schindler >from Hajdunanas.

Produces FOUR hits if entered as Malka Schindler >from Hajdunanas (only
one matches the 3 received if entered as Maria);

Another example:
Search for Jakab Gottdiener in Hajdunanas and you get two hits; Abraham
& Jakab (same person). Search for Abraham Gottdiener and you get only
one hit.

Surprisingly, if you search for Baruch Grunfeld in Hajdunanas you get
only 2 hits but if you search for Baruch Grinfeld you get 4 hits. I
would have expected these to be cognates in the YV database.

It would be nice if the records returned can be sorted by date of birth.
Then I wouldn't need to look through thirty or more pages (in some
cases) to find the people of interest.

The page which comes up as "More Details..." does NOT have all the
information which exists on the Daf-Ed. The number of children for the
individual frequently appears in the Daf-Ed but I have not seen it
transcribed. I have seen the father's name and others omitted,
presumably because the transcriber could not decipher it. It would be
nice if it were stated that it could not be deciphered (I have seen some
records which do specify that a field is undecipherable but this does
not seem to be a ground rule.)

There are many transcription errors. Rachel Zussman is transcribed as
Dosmen (mistook Zayin for a Daleth). I have seen gender errors where
women are listed as Male and men as Female.

In general, I have found the information given by Nevek as the most
accurate followed by information given by children. Other information
can be quite erroneous.=20

It is very important to actually look at the originally submitted
document. The information transcribed is not necessarily the information
submitted.

Alfred Silberman
Monsey, NY


Re: Joyce and the Jews of Dublin Was: First Jews in England--and Ireland #general

Yisrael Asper
 

It is said that a grant in was given 1232 to someone named Peter de Rivall
giving him "custody of the King's Judaism in Ireland."
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Joyce and the Jews of Dublin Was: First Jews in England--and Ireland #general

Yisrael Asper
 

It is said that a grant in was given 1232 to someone named Peter de Rivall
giving him "custody of the King's Judaism in Ireland."
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA


Jews in Cornwall #general

Janet Arnold <yomi427@...>
 

Supposedly Joseph of Aramathea, the uncle of Jesus, brother of the Virgin Mary,
and the richest man in Jerusalem, was a tin broker who did a great deal of
business in Cornwall. He traveled around the area of Marazion, near St. Michael's
Mount, where there was a Jewish community. There is a local legend that at one
time Joseph brought his nephew Jesus to Cornwall with him.
I know that as late as the 1950s, and possibly even today in some parts of
Cornwall, the smelters would raise their eyes to heaven and murmur "Joseph
was in the tin trade" before they poured the boiling tin.

I have also read that during the reign of Elizabeth the First, Jews who were
constantly trying to avoid living in Catholic countries so as to avoid the
inquisition staring trickling back into England very quietly. Queen Elizabeth
had Jewish doctors and it is said that she turned a blind eye to the Jews return.
It was not until the rise of Oliver Cromwell, however, that Jews could return
to live as citizens of England.

Janet Arnold
yomi427@lycos.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jews in Cornwall #general

Janet Arnold <yomi427@...>
 

Supposedly Joseph of Aramathea, the uncle of Jesus, brother of the Virgin Mary,
and the richest man in Jerusalem, was a tin broker who did a great deal of
business in Cornwall. He traveled around the area of Marazion, near St. Michael's
Mount, where there was a Jewish community. There is a local legend that at one
time Joseph brought his nephew Jesus to Cornwall with him.
I know that as late as the 1950s, and possibly even today in some parts of
Cornwall, the smelters would raise their eyes to heaven and murmur "Joseph
was in the tin trade" before they poured the boiling tin.

I have also read that during the reign of Elizabeth the First, Jews who were
constantly trying to avoid living in Catholic countries so as to avoid the
inquisition staring trickling back into England very quietly. Queen Elizabeth
had Jewish doctors and it is said that she turned a blind eye to the Jews return.
It was not until the rise of Oliver Cromwell, however, that Jews could return
to live as citizens of England.

Janet Arnold
yomi427@lycos.com


Horodlo - Eastern Poland #general

Barbara Greisman <barbara.greisman@...>
 

I'd like to correspond with anyone who had family in Horodlo before WW2. My
mother came over to England in 1939 and was unable to get any info about her
missing family. Her name was (Hebrew name) Chippa TAIRSTEIN. This surname is
not the actual Polish spelling but was used by our family over here in
England.

Thanks and regards

Barbara Greisman nee Tairstein

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen Family Finder lists 6
researchers working on Horodlo.
Go to < http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ >, enter "Horodlo" for the
town and click "Search".
You'll be able to contact these 6 researchers right away.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Horodlo - Eastern Poland #general

Barbara Greisman <barbara.greisman@...>
 

I'd like to correspond with anyone who had family in Horodlo before WW2. My
mother came over to England in 1939 and was unable to get any info about her
missing family. Her name was (Hebrew name) Chippa TAIRSTEIN. This surname is
not the actual Polish spelling but was used by our family over here in
England.

Thanks and regards

Barbara Greisman nee Tairstein

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen Family Finder lists 6
researchers working on Horodlo.
Go to < http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ >, enter "Horodlo" for the
town and click "Search".
You'll be able to contact these 6 researchers right away.