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Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

AK <alan.kolnik@...>
 

I have usually received tahnks and follow up. What is bizarre is that a
couple of days ago I received a nasty flame >from some genealogy
perfectionist who needs to get a life because I had answered a query about
Jewish origins by pointing out some websites with maps that trace Jewish
miogration patterns.

So not getting a response is not the worst thing that can happen ...

Alan Kolnik
alan.kolnik@verizon.net
Maryland, USA


Re: The lack of common courtesy #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

Dear group,

I would like to say one thing before someone
terminates this thread. I myself always send a reply
and "thank you" whether the information is useful or
not. However, I normally only look at messages that I
am interested in, or that have the same subject I
posted to the group. If someone responds with a
different subject, I may miss it. And yes, I once
found a response in my Trash bin that I had not looked
at. But I am a member of a lot of groups and can't
open and read every email.

The point is, is that it is possible that some
reposes may not be looked at if the subject isn't the
same. However for all those that are read, a response
and thank you is certainly appropriate.

Finally, whether you get thanked or not for a
response that is useful or not, you still perfumed a
Mitzvah, which is what it is all about.

With thanks for giving me the opportunity to reply,
Yehudah BenShlomo


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

AK <alan.kolnik@...>
 

I have usually received tahnks and follow up. What is bizarre is that a
couple of days ago I received a nasty flame >from some genealogy
perfectionist who needs to get a life because I had answered a query about
Jewish origins by pointing out some websites with maps that trace Jewish
miogration patterns.

So not getting a response is not the worst thing that can happen ...

Alan Kolnik
alan.kolnik@verizon.net
Maryland, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The lack of common courtesy #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

Dear group,

I would like to say one thing before someone
terminates this thread. I myself always send a reply
and "thank you" whether the information is useful or
not. However, I normally only look at messages that I
am interested in, or that have the same subject I
posted to the group. If someone responds with a
different subject, I may miss it. And yes, I once
found a response in my Trash bin that I had not looked
at. But I am a member of a lot of groups and can't
open and read every email.

The point is, is that it is possible that some
reposes may not be looked at if the subject isn't the
same. However for all those that are read, a response
and thank you is certainly appropriate.

Finally, whether you get thanked or not for a
response that is useful or not, you still perfumed a
Mitzvah, which is what it is all about.

With thanks for giving me the opportunity to reply,
Yehudah BenShlomo


response to request for help #general

Charles Mahler
 

Hello Everybody,
Dave Schwartz complained about "the Lack of Common Courtesy and how it
affects the Usefulness of this Forum". My personnal experience is quite
different and but for one or two exceptions I allways got a "thank you"
note. Not that I believe that a thank you is absolutely necessary.
So let us go on with helping each other whenever possible.
Best regards
Charles Mahler
Antwerp Belgium
still looking for MAHLER, LICHTMANN, MARGULIES and INTRATOR


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen response to request for help #general

Charles Mahler
 

Hello Everybody,
Dave Schwartz complained about "the Lack of Common Courtesy and how it
affects the Usefulness of this Forum". My personnal experience is quite
different and but for one or two exceptions I allways got a "thank you"
note. Not that I believe that a thank you is absolutely necessary.
So let us go on with helping each other whenever possible.
Best regards
Charles Mahler
Antwerp Belgium
still looking for MAHLER, LICHTMANN, MARGULIES and INTRATOR


To All The People Who Make JewishGen Wonderful.......Thank you! #general

carols
 

Joan, I've never asked you for genealogy info but I've read your
comments soo many times to other genners and genners in general. You
are so knowledgeable and helpful. I can't imagine anyone looking for
info and getting it not being grateful! But, that's what makes up horse
racing, as they say!!! Thanks for all your comments that I have been
privileged to read because of this fabulous web site. And, to all of
you out there, thank you for all you do and know!!
Regards >from Carol Streem of Cleveland, Ohio
SOLONTS/SALANT...Minsk.
FRENKEL/FRANKEL....Lomza SMOLINSKY....Lomza.
KANOVITCH/KANOWITZ/KANOFITZ/KENN....Lomza
STRIMOVSKY/STREEM.....Kremenchug.
GRUNBAUM/GREENBAUM....Lodz/Copenhagen. CHARNEY/CHARNA.......Kremenchug.

Joan Parker wrote:

Sadly, it happens to too many of us. Recently a genner asked me about
Gelfand and Katz saying she had those two names in her tree....so I
sent what I had....never a reply, never yes we have a connection, no
we don't, absolutely nothing. I sent her another email checking to
see if she had received the information...no answer to that either.

Will her lack of response stop me >from responding to others? Not at all.
Hope springs eternal and maybe one day someone to whom I send family info
will respond with a positive connection. Same applies to providing how-to
info or finding something for somebody. Do unto others...equals random
acts of genealogical kindness.

Requesting a read receipt is not always returned as there is the ability
to refuse to send one.

Happily, I can say that most other genners are courteous and thankful for
whatever help I've been able to provide. Not only that, but it has ended
up with some new email friends whom I hope to meet in Las Vegas as well as
other email friends throughout the world.


Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of #general

jerome schatten
 

Merle Kastner wrote:

Dear Dave,
I'm sorry to hear that your experiences have been
so disappointing, especially since my own have been
just the opposite.
Over the years, I've helped a lot of people, mostly by replying
privately, and have always heard back >from them with gratitude.

Unfortunately, it's that small minority with poor manners who spoil
things for those who have good ones. I hope
you are not too discouraged to try again and that your
future experiences are positive.

Best of luck,
Merle Kastner
Hi Merle... I've had similar experiences to Dave's but on the
Czernowitz list. Mine were always with newcomers: Someone would show up
on the list and ask for information; I would provide it, and that would
be the last I or the list ever heard >from them.

I've never experienced the problem >from well integrated list members.
Perhaps Dave's non-respondents were just getting their feet wet both in
genealogy and in net-etiquette?

My strategy these days is to reply off list suggesting what information
I have and asking if they would be interested in receiving it. That
immediately forces a more personal relationship upon the requester.
Seems to work better.

Best,
Jerome Schatten
Vancouver


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen To All The People Who Make JewishGen Wonderful.......Thank you! #general

carols
 

Joan, I've never asked you for genealogy info but I've read your
comments soo many times to other genners and genners in general. You
are so knowledgeable and helpful. I can't imagine anyone looking for
info and getting it not being grateful! But, that's what makes up horse
racing, as they say!!! Thanks for all your comments that I have been
privileged to read because of this fabulous web site. And, to all of
you out there, thank you for all you do and know!!
Regards >from Carol Streem of Cleveland, Ohio
SOLONTS/SALANT...Minsk.
FRENKEL/FRANKEL....Lomza SMOLINSKY....Lomza.
KANOVITCH/KANOWITZ/KANOFITZ/KENN....Lomza
STRIMOVSKY/STREEM.....Kremenchug.
GRUNBAUM/GREENBAUM....Lodz/Copenhagen. CHARNEY/CHARNA.......Kremenchug.

Joan Parker wrote:

Sadly, it happens to too many of us. Recently a genner asked me about
Gelfand and Katz saying she had those two names in her tree....so I
sent what I had....never a reply, never yes we have a connection, no
we don't, absolutely nothing. I sent her another email checking to
see if she had received the information...no answer to that either.

Will her lack of response stop me >from responding to others? Not at all.
Hope springs eternal and maybe one day someone to whom I send family info
will respond with a positive connection. Same applies to providing how-to
info or finding something for somebody. Do unto others...equals random
acts of genealogical kindness.

Requesting a read receipt is not always returned as there is the ability
to refuse to send one.

Happily, I can say that most other genners are courteous and thankful for
whatever help I've been able to provide. Not only that, but it has ended
up with some new email friends whom I hope to meet in Las Vegas as well as
other email friends throughout the world.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of #general

jerome schatten
 

Merle Kastner wrote:

Dear Dave,
I'm sorry to hear that your experiences have been
so disappointing, especially since my own have been
just the opposite.
Over the years, I've helped a lot of people, mostly by replying
privately, and have always heard back >from them with gratitude.

Unfortunately, it's that small minority with poor manners who spoil
things for those who have good ones. I hope
you are not too discouraged to try again and that your
future experiences are positive.

Best of luck,
Merle Kastner
Hi Merle... I've had similar experiences to Dave's but on the
Czernowitz list. Mine were always with newcomers: Someone would show up
on the list and ask for information; I would provide it, and that would
be the last I or the list ever heard >from them.

I've never experienced the problem >from well integrated list members.
Perhaps Dave's non-respondents were just getting their feet wet both in
genealogy and in net-etiquette?

My strategy these days is to reply off list suggesting what information
I have and asking if they would be interested in receiving it. That
immediately forces a more personal relationship upon the requester.
Seems to work better.

Best,
Jerome Schatten
Vancouver


Information on Csenger, Szatmar/Satu Mare and UNSDORFER #general

S.B. Goitein <sbgoitein@...>
 

Dear Genners

I am trying to trace my ancestry on my mother's side. Her maiden name was
Unsdorfer and her father (my grandfather) came >from Pressburg/Bratislava,
Czech. Up until recently I had believed that his father, my
great-grandfather Unsdorfer, was born in Gutta, known today as Kolarovo.
However, a recent visit to the Yad Vashem website revealed that he might
actually have been born in Csenger, Szatmar. I visited the NY Library online
where they have a Csenger Yizkor book, but his name was not there. It could
be that they moved >from Csenger to Gutta after he was born. However, I seem
to have come to a dead end.

If anyone has information about Csenger, has Unsdorfer in the family/friends
or has any advice/ information on how I could best pursue this quest, I
would be very grateful for any help.

Please respond privately.

Many thanks in advance.

Michael Goitein
London
sbgoitein@seed.uk.net

MODERATOR NOTE: For best results, we suggest that you post this query in
JewishGen's Austria-Czech SIG (Special Interest Group) mailing list. For more
information, go to <http://www.jewishgen.org/AustriaCzech/>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Information on Csenger, Szatmar/Satu Mare and UNSDORFER #general

S.B. Goitein <sbgoitein@...>
 

Dear Genners

I am trying to trace my ancestry on my mother's side. Her maiden name was
Unsdorfer and her father (my grandfather) came >from Pressburg/Bratislava,
Czech. Up until recently I had believed that his father, my
great-grandfather Unsdorfer, was born in Gutta, known today as Kolarovo.
However, a recent visit to the Yad Vashem website revealed that he might
actually have been born in Csenger, Szatmar. I visited the NY Library online
where they have a Csenger Yizkor book, but his name was not there. It could
be that they moved >from Csenger to Gutta after he was born. However, I seem
to have come to a dead end.

If anyone has information about Csenger, has Unsdorfer in the family/friends
or has any advice/ information on how I could best pursue this quest, I
would be very grateful for any help.

Please respond privately.

Many thanks in advance.

Michael Goitein
London
sbgoitein@seed.uk.net

MODERATOR NOTE: For best results, we suggest that you post this query in
JewishGen's Austria-Czech SIG (Special Interest Group) mailing list. For more
information, go to <http://www.jewishgen.org/AustriaCzech/>.


Seeking Guide for Travel in Slovakia #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I'm going to be visiting Slovakia in August and am looking for a
Slovak-speaking translator /driver to help with work at archives and
visits to cemeteries in Michalovce, Sobrance, and surrounding
communities. Please contact me off-list for details.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


1910 Hungarian Census #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Has anyone come across records >from the 1910 Hungarian Census. It
hasn't been filmed by the FHL and I haven't been able to find any
references in the Hungarian State Archives catalogue. Is there a
100-year restriction on release of information?

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Seeking Guide for Travel in Slovakia #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I'm going to be visiting Slovakia in August and am looking for a
Slovak-speaking translator /driver to help with work at archives and
visits to cemeteries in Michalovce, Sobrance, and surrounding
communities. Please contact me off-list for details.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1910 Hungarian Census #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Has anyone come across records >from the 1910 Hungarian Census. It
hasn't been filmed by the FHL and I haven't been able to find any
references in the Hungarian State Archives catalogue. Is there a
100-year restriction on release of information?

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


Nagyvarad Book #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

This message >from Alex Miller <alex.miller@juno.com> is being reposted
because the specific title was omitted >from the list of H-SIG digest
titles. Please contact Alex off-list if you have questions.

Subject: Nagyvarad Book

From: alex p miller <alex.miller@juno.com>
> >Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:14:59 -0400
> >X-Message-Number: 5
> >
> >Here are some general interest extracts >from the Varadi Zsidosag
> >tortenrte, by Lakos Lajos, 1912
> >
> >1-Bihar interest:
> >The main anti Turkish campaigns took place between 1662-1692. In
> the
> >processed all county documents perished. The first county docs date
> from
> >1713 and the first Jewish presence is >from 1722
> >
> >2-Jewish Movements interest:
> >The first Jewish itinerants in Varad came >from Pozsony and
> Esztergom,
> >likely riding on the coattails of the Hapsburg establishment. In
> 1723 a
> >very rich Lazar Simon came to Varad.
> >
> >>from 1757 the municipal authorities in Varad issued settlement
> permits
> >for the Jews. In 1852 the Jewish community in Varad filed a
> complaint
> >with the city that it doesn't enforce the settlement permit rule
> and it
> >doesn't ask for the approval of the Jewish authorities to issue
> permits.
> >Also there is mention of occupational permits required to practice
> a
> >trade in the city.
> >
> >In 1798 Royal edict #767 stipulated that Jews relocating without
> a
> >permit("passzus") will be returned forcibly to their former place
> of
> >residence. This may explain the expulsion of the Jews >from SA
> Ujhely in
> >1807.
> >
> >I wonder if there is a trace of all these permits anywhere?
> >
> >3-Naming patterns interest(for the 'last-name' enthusiasts:
> >Between 1722 and 1770 these are names mentioned in the book
> >1722-25
> >Hersl Spiro
> >Aron Puliczer
> >Abraham Flesh
> >Martinus Krausz
> >A. Silberpfanz
> >1750
> >Ignatz Sax
> >M. Grosz
> >Abr. Preisz
> >David Neuman
> >Ignatz Nuss
> >Roza Robitsek
> >Samuel Brod
> >1770
> >Doni Jakubovits >from Dukla
> >Samuel Jakubovits >from Dukla
> >1782
> >David Geczli
> >Aron Manzes
> >Abraham Gottheim
> >Josef Vallerstein
> >Samuel Schwarcz
> >Jakab Spitzli
> >Josef Reit
> >Jakab Krader
> >Janos Veisz
> >Hersl Liebman
> >
> >I guess these folks weren't lined up in the town square waiting for
> who
> >is going to end up being Roth or Klein!
> >
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
> >alex.miller@ juno.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Nagyvarad Book #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

This message >from Alex Miller <alex.miller@juno.com> is being reposted
because the specific title was omitted >from the list of H-SIG digest
titles. Please contact Alex off-list if you have questions.

Subject: Nagyvarad Book

From: alex p miller <alex.miller@juno.com>
> >Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:14:59 -0400
> >X-Message-Number: 5
> >
> >Here are some general interest extracts >from the Varadi Zsidosag
> >tortenrte, by Lakos Lajos, 1912
> >
> >1-Bihar interest:
> >The main anti Turkish campaigns took place between 1662-1692. In
> the
> >processed all county documents perished. The first county docs date
> from
> >1713 and the first Jewish presence is >from 1722
> >
> >2-Jewish Movements interest:
> >The first Jewish itinerants in Varad came >from Pozsony and
> Esztergom,
> >likely riding on the coattails of the Hapsburg establishment. In
> 1723 a
> >very rich Lazar Simon came to Varad.
> >
> >>from 1757 the municipal authorities in Varad issued settlement
> permits
> >for the Jews. In 1852 the Jewish community in Varad filed a
> complaint
> >with the city that it doesn't enforce the settlement permit rule
> and it
> >doesn't ask for the approval of the Jewish authorities to issue
> permits.
> >Also there is mention of occupational permits required to practice
> a
> >trade in the city.
> >
> >In 1798 Royal edict #767 stipulated that Jews relocating without
> a
> >permit("passzus") will be returned forcibly to their former place
> of
> >residence. This may explain the expulsion of the Jews >from SA
> Ujhely in
> >1807.
> >
> >I wonder if there is a trace of all these permits anywhere?
> >
> >3-Naming patterns interest(for the 'last-name' enthusiasts:
> >Between 1722 and 1770 these are names mentioned in the book
> >1722-25
> >Hersl Spiro
> >Aron Puliczer
> >Abraham Flesh
> >Martinus Krausz
> >A. Silberpfanz
> >1750
> >Ignatz Sax
> >M. Grosz
> >Abr. Preisz
> >David Neuman
> >Ignatz Nuss
> >Roza Robitsek
> >Samuel Brod
> >1770
> >Doni Jakubovits >from Dukla
> >Samuel Jakubovits >from Dukla
> >1782
> >David Geczli
> >Aron Manzes
> >Abraham Gottheim
> >Josef Vallerstein
> >Samuel Schwarcz
> >Jakab Spitzli
> >Josef Reit
> >Jakab Krader
> >Janos Veisz
> >Hersl Liebman
> >
> >I guess these folks weren't lined up in the town square waiting for
> who
> >is going to end up being Roth or Klein!
> >
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
> >alex.miller@ juno.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>


Re: Rabbi Schonfeld of Likev #hungary

Bacskai Sándor <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Touvia Goldstein,

I have checked some books for Rabbi Moshe of Likev (Luko in Hung.,
Lukov in Slov.), but found nothing about his relation. As the Otzar
haRabanim by N. Z. Friedman, Rabbi Moshe was born in 1871, became Rav
of Luko in 1914, and died in 1935 (16 Nisan).
The entries of Luko Jews must be in the records of the
Bartfa/Bardejov/Bartfeld Jewish Community. Maybe try to get some data
from the Presov Archives, Slovakia.
Regards,
Sandor Bacskai

Subject: Re: Re:Schonfeld
From: Touvia Goldstein <teddyg1@netvision.net.il>

Among them the Rav Moshe Shoenfeld, Harav of Likev (Likever Rav) also
in NE
Slovakia. Any link to the Shoenfeld's you are all mentioning???
Rgds,
Touvia Goldstein


translation of New Year's postcard from Yiddish to English #hungary

annsel <annsel@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I need help with a Yiddish translation that I have posted on viewmate,
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html. The file # is VM 6111. =
The
message is >from the back of a New Year's postcard and we know it came =
from
Vilnius >from my husband's great-grandparents. The postcard has a picture =
of
my husband's grandmother as a young girl along with her brother. We =
would
love to know what the message contains. Please respond to me offline. I
thank you in advance for any help you can offer.

Anne Selikov
So Cal