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1848 Hungaran Jewish Census Update - Now has over 65,000 records #hungary

Robert Neu
 

To All,

Another 5,100 records have been added to the 1848
Hungarian Jewish Census Database which is part of the
AHD (All Hungary Database) of JewishGen.

This brings the total number of records for this
database to over 65,000.

The database now includes records >from Gyor Megye
(county) and Ung Megye other than Ungvar.

The city of Miskolc is now over 80% completed, and so
is Veszprem Megye.

Minor additions have been made to Esztergom and Zala
Megye which are complete.

Our thanks go to oue dedicated transcribers.

There are still about 15,000 records to be transcribed
and we welcome additional help to complete the task.

Check the information on JewishGen and/or contact me.
< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary >.

Robert Neu
1848 Hungarian Jewish Census coordinator.


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1848 Hungaran Jewish Census Update - Now has over 65,000 records #hungary

Robert Neu
 

To All,

Another 5,100 records have been added to the 1848
Hungarian Jewish Census Database which is part of the
AHD (All Hungary Database) of JewishGen.

This brings the total number of records for this
database to over 65,000.

The database now includes records >from Gyor Megye
(county) and Ung Megye other than Ungvar.

The city of Miskolc is now over 80% completed, and so
is Veszprem Megye.

Minor additions have been made to Esztergom and Zala
Megye which are complete.

Our thanks go to oue dedicated transcribers.

There are still about 15,000 records to be transcribed
and we welcome additional help to complete the task.

Check the information on JewishGen and/or contact me.
< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary >.

Robert Neu
1848 Hungarian Jewish Census coordinator.


Re: H-SIG Luncheon #hungary

Moshe & Esther Davis <davis@...>
 

Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend the conference in Las
Vegas this summer. However, I am extremely interested in the
presentation of Jordan Auslander:

11:15am - 12:30pm
Transcarpathian Jewish Records-A0Jordan Auslander
How can one who can't attend the conference share in this
information?

Moshe Davis
Jerusalem


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: H-SIG Luncheon #hungary

Moshe & Esther Davis <davis@...>
 

Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend the conference in Las
Vegas this summer. However, I am extremely interested in the
presentation of Jordan Auslander:

11:15am - 12:30pm
Transcarpathian Jewish Records-A0Jordan Auslander
How can one who can't attend the conference share in this
information?

Moshe Davis
Jerusalem


Re: Sending Funds to Hungary #hungary

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

I have used a US with some Hungarian researchers.
However, I purchased a Eurocheck to send to an archive in Poland; that might
be a solution as they are available in the US and Hungary now uses Euros as
well as Forint.
Lynn Saul
Hello all;

I need to send funds to a researcher that I have hired in Hungary. I am
wondering what means others have used to convey funds.

This is for an independent researcher, not one of the archives, since
archive policy may be different than what an individual may experience.

I looked into wiring the money, but the fees for doing so constitute 25%
of
the researcher's fee, which seems excessive. He has suggested sending cash
via registered mail, but the people at the local post office have said
they
believe that has a 50-50 chance of making it.

Have others used registered mail and has that been successful?

Has anyone used money orders? If so, which kind/brand of money order works
in Hungary?

My researcher seems reluctant/unwilling for me to send a US check or a
money
order, but I'm not sure why.

Looking for suggestions.

Thanks.

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net


Paktu Krow #poland

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

In the digest of 27th April, Jake Goldstein asked
about the meaning of Paktu Krow: "In an 1827 marriage
record >from Siennica, both the groom's family and the
bride's family are described as earning a living from
"Paktu Krow." The groom's family is said to be "we
wsi Wola Sufczynska zamieszkalych z Paktu Krow
utrzymuianjch," and the father of the bride is also "z
Paktu Krow utrzymuiancego." He and his family resided
nearby, in Lasomin. Siennica, Wola Sufczynska, and
Lasomin are about 40 km ESE of Warszawa."

This was an opportunity for me, as a non-Polish
speaker, for the first time to look up an on-line
Polish dictionary. I learned that the meaning was
"leasing cows". I went straight to the German
equivalent and found "Kuhe pachten" and found that
there were many references on this topic including
mediaeval legal documents. The Jewishgen message
archives are also a valuable research source:

http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/pinkas_poland/pol2_00137.html

In Gologory, Poland (Zluchov, Tarnopol District), we
read: During the 17th and 18th centuries the Jews
earned their livelihoods >from leasing, taverns, bars,
commerce (especially at cattle fairs) and as laborers.

Jews have always had a very close relationship with
the cattle trade as livestock dealers and drovers. We
have recently had a lengthy exchange on the
Austria-Czech SIG on this subject. If you enter
"cattle" into both the Jewishgen Discussion Group and
SIG archives, you will find various messages on the
topic. Two Austria-Czech SIG messages which should be
of interest were on 30 April & May 1st, 2005.

There are two entirely different aspects to cattle-
leasing. Either Jews were providing finance to
non-Jewish farmers to lease cattle, obtaining on-going
revenue >from cows and eventually selling them on as
dealers - or alternatively the situation was similar
to that which currently appertains to the Indian
subcontinent:

http://www.stiftung-bruecke.de/projekte-bangladesh.html

I have translated a relevant paragraph >from German:

Few people in Bangladesh own sufficient land to be
able to support themselves and their family. They are
therefore obliged to lease land for their cows.
In Bangladesh that means that they have to give half
their income to the landlord, or as landless peasants
they have to work on the land of the better-off
landowners.

If you enter "lease cows" into the best-known internet
search engine, you will find thousands of references
on current leasing arrangements. Today in the US and
the European Union, it is a matter of finance, tax,
capital and convenience. Cattle in the 21st century
can be considered as another type of "capital". There
is even a joke on the subject in:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/825281/posts

In the case of Jews in 19th century Poland, some might
have had the money to buy the cows but did not have
[or were not permitted to own] the land on which to
graze them. Others may have bought the cows and leased
them to poorer farmers who paid them interest or some
sort of barter equivalent [cash cow!].

The term "cash cow" is used metaphorically for a dairy
cow, which after being acquired/leased can be milked
on an ongoing basis with little expense. Thus a "cash
cow" which requires little investment capital,
provides a constant positive cash flows. This would be
an ideal situation for Jews who were restricted in
the professions they were allowed to practice.

There are many permutations to the term "lease cows"
thus, unless we know the financial circumstances of
Jake's forebears, we cannot be certain of exactly what
type of leasing arrangements they undertook with cows.

There may well have have been established arrangements
in that area of Poland between farmers and credit-
givers.

It is most likely that Jake's GOLDSTEIN forebears
listed in the original document were making money out
of the arrangement [providing finance/capital] and
were livestock dealers. They were therefore nothing
like the impoverished Bangladeshis today, who resort
to leasing land for their cows.

Celia Male [UK]


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Sending Funds to Hungary #hungary

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

I have used a US with some Hungarian researchers.
However, I purchased a Eurocheck to send to an archive in Poland; that might
be a solution as they are available in the US and Hungary now uses Euros as
well as Forint.
Lynn Saul
Hello all;

I need to send funds to a researcher that I have hired in Hungary. I am
wondering what means others have used to convey funds.

This is for an independent researcher, not one of the archives, since
archive policy may be different than what an individual may experience.

I looked into wiring the money, but the fees for doing so constitute 25%
of
the researcher's fee, which seems excessive. He has suggested sending cash
via registered mail, but the people at the local post office have said
they
believe that has a 50-50 chance of making it.

Have others used registered mail and has that been successful?

Has anyone used money orders? If so, which kind/brand of money order works
in Hungary?

My researcher seems reluctant/unwilling for me to send a US check or a
money
order, but I'm not sure why.

Looking for suggestions.

Thanks.

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net


JRI Poland #Poland Paktu Krow #poland

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

In the digest of 27th April, Jake Goldstein asked
about the meaning of Paktu Krow: "In an 1827 marriage
record >from Siennica, both the groom's family and the
bride's family are described as earning a living from
"Paktu Krow." The groom's family is said to be "we
wsi Wola Sufczynska zamieszkalych z Paktu Krow
utrzymuianjch," and the father of the bride is also "z
Paktu Krow utrzymuiancego." He and his family resided
nearby, in Lasomin. Siennica, Wola Sufczynska, and
Lasomin are about 40 km ESE of Warszawa."

This was an opportunity for me, as a non-Polish
speaker, for the first time to look up an on-line
Polish dictionary. I learned that the meaning was
"leasing cows". I went straight to the German
equivalent and found "Kuhe pachten" and found that
there were many references on this topic including
mediaeval legal documents. The Jewishgen message
archives are also a valuable research source:

http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/pinkas_poland/pol2_00137.html

In Gologory, Poland (Zluchov, Tarnopol District), we
read: During the 17th and 18th centuries the Jews
earned their livelihoods >from leasing, taverns, bars,
commerce (especially at cattle fairs) and as laborers.

Jews have always had a very close relationship with
the cattle trade as livestock dealers and drovers. We
have recently had a lengthy exchange on the
Austria-Czech SIG on this subject. If you enter
"cattle" into both the Jewishgen Discussion Group and
SIG archives, you will find various messages on the
topic. Two Austria-Czech SIG messages which should be
of interest were on 30 April & May 1st, 2005.

There are two entirely different aspects to cattle-
leasing. Either Jews were providing finance to
non-Jewish farmers to lease cattle, obtaining on-going
revenue >from cows and eventually selling them on as
dealers - or alternatively the situation was similar
to that which currently appertains to the Indian
subcontinent:

http://www.stiftung-bruecke.de/projekte-bangladesh.html

I have translated a relevant paragraph >from German:

Few people in Bangladesh own sufficient land to be
able to support themselves and their family. They are
therefore obliged to lease land for their cows.
In Bangladesh that means that they have to give half
their income to the landlord, or as landless peasants
they have to work on the land of the better-off
landowners.

If you enter "lease cows" into the best-known internet
search engine, you will find thousands of references
on current leasing arrangements. Today in the US and
the European Union, it is a matter of finance, tax,
capital and convenience. Cattle in the 21st century
can be considered as another type of "capital". There
is even a joke on the subject in:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/825281/posts

In the case of Jews in 19th century Poland, some might
have had the money to buy the cows but did not have
[or were not permitted to own] the land on which to
graze them. Others may have bought the cows and leased
them to poorer farmers who paid them interest or some
sort of barter equivalent [cash cow!].

The term "cash cow" is used metaphorically for a dairy
cow, which after being acquired/leased can be milked
on an ongoing basis with little expense. Thus a "cash
cow" which requires little investment capital,
provides a constant positive cash flows. This would be
an ideal situation for Jews who were restricted in
the professions they were allowed to practice.

There are many permutations to the term "lease cows"
thus, unless we know the financial circumstances of
Jake's forebears, we cannot be certain of exactly what
type of leasing arrangements they undertook with cows.

There may well have have been established arrangements
in that area of Poland between farmers and credit-
givers.

It is most likely that Jake's GOLDSTEIN forebears
listed in the original document were making money out
of the arrangement [providing finance/capital] and
were livestock dealers. They were therefore nothing
like the impoverished Bangladeshis today, who resort
to leasing land for their cows.

Celia Male [UK]


Re: Misie as Female Given Name #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

I believe Misie is a nickname of Mindel.I would like
to draw your attention to 2 PoTs for Rubin Horn,one of
them filled by yourself and the other one by Anna
Holcman.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

His name was Rubin HORN and I know only his mother'
name Misie.
I know that it's a nickname in Yiddish but no more.

DOMINIQUE HORN POSLUSHNI
Yavne, in Israel.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia re:Misie as Female Given Name #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

I believe Misie is a nickname of Mindel.I would like
to draw your attention to 2 PoTs for Rubin Horn,one of
them filled by yourself and the other one by Anna
Holcman.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

His name was Rubin HORN and I know only his mother'
name Misie.
I know that it's a nickname in Yiddish but no more.

DOMINIQUE HORN POSLUSHNI
Yavne, in Israel.


Re: Tokaj Jewish records and WEINSTOCK #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Go to: www.familysearch.org
Search under library/library catalog/search by place
(Tokaj) and you will get the reference of the FHL film
for the Jewish records covering 1827 to 1895.

There is an FHL branch library in Brooklyn where you
can order and view the film.

Robert Neu
--- "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com> wrote:

Dear Group,

I recently found out that my ggf, Moshe WEINSTOCK
was born
in Tokaj on Jun 23, 1869. What records are available
from
Tokaj and >from where?

Thanks!
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe@langsam.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Tokaj Jewish records and WEINSTOCK #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Go to: www.familysearch.org
Search under library/library catalog/search by place
(Tokaj) and you will get the reference of the FHL film
for the Jewish records covering 1827 to 1895.

There is an FHL branch library in Brooklyn where you
can order and view the film.

Robert Neu
--- "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com> wrote:

Dear Group,

I recently found out that my ggf, Moshe WEINSTOCK
was born
in Tokaj on Jun 23, 1869. What records are available
from
Tokaj and >from where?

Thanks!
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe@langsam.com


Re: Iloc Jewish records #hungary

Robert Neu
 

It would be helpful to know where Ilok is/was and if
it is the only spelling or variation of the name.

The only "Ilok" that appears in the ShtetlSeeker is in
Croatia, and the only record for that location at the
FHL is an 1857 Census.(That does not mean that there
is no other record, if the records were kept in a
different towm.)

Robert Neu


--- "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com> wrote:

Dear Group,

I found out that my ggp were Moshe WEINSTOCK and
Raizel
STERN and that they married in Iloc in 1892. Do you
know if
its possible to find a marriage record or other
vital
records?

Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
Brooklyn, NY


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Iloc Jewish records #hungary

Robert Neu
 

It would be helpful to know where Ilok is/was and if
it is the only spelling or variation of the name.

The only "Ilok" that appears in the ShtetlSeeker is in
Croatia, and the only record for that location at the
FHL is an 1857 Census.(That does not mean that there
is no other record, if the records were kept in a
different towm.)

Robert Neu


--- "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com> wrote:

Dear Group,

I found out that my ggp were Moshe WEINSTOCK and
Raizel
STERN and that they married in Iloc in 1892. Do you
know if
its possible to find a marriage record or other
vital
records?

Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
Brooklyn, NY


OTTERMAN, MUTERMILCH (Warsaw) #general

laudergen@...
 

Dear Genners:

If anyone among you has any information regarding the OTTERMAN or
MUTERMILCH families of Warsaw, Poland, please contact the undersigned
privately.

Please note that these are two *unrelated* Warsaw families that we are
seeking for different reasons. If you know *either* family, please let us
know.

Best wishes,

Yale J. Reisner & Anna Przybyszewska-Drozd
The Ronald S. Lauder Foundation, Warsaw, Poland
<laudergen@jewish.org.pl>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen OTTERMAN, MUTERMILCH (Warsaw) #general

laudergen@...
 

Dear Genners:

If anyone among you has any information regarding the OTTERMAN or
MUTERMILCH families of Warsaw, Poland, please contact the undersigned
privately.

Please note that these are two *unrelated* Warsaw families that we are
seeking for different reasons. If you know *either* family, please let us
know.

Best wishes,

Yale J. Reisner & Anna Przybyszewska-Drozd
The Ronald S. Lauder Foundation, Warsaw, Poland
<laudergen@jewish.org.pl>


Seeking Bertha EICHEL - Chicago/Skokie, IL xxxx-1978? #germany

CP <beachwatergirl@...>
 

Hello. I am looking for anyone who may have known or
been acquainted with my great-grandmother, Bertha
EICHEL, who lived in the Chicago/Skokie, IL area for
most of her life. She died 1975 or 1978. If you were
her friend or know of her, please email me. My
family, for some reason unknown to me, didn't keep in
contact with her and I am trying to discover my
heritage. Any stories of her history would help me
significantly. Thank you so much...

Lucinda Patten Santa Barbara, CA beachwatergirl@yahoo.com


German SIG #Germany Seeking Bertha EICHEL - Chicago/Skokie, IL xxxx-1978? #germany

CP <beachwatergirl@...>
 

Hello. I am looking for anyone who may have known or
been acquainted with my great-grandmother, Bertha
EICHEL, who lived in the Chicago/Skokie, IL area for
most of her life. She died 1975 or 1978. If you were
her friend or know of her, please email me. My
family, for some reason unknown to me, didn't keep in
contact with her and I am trying to discover my
heritage. Any stories of her history would help me
significantly. Thank you so much...

Lucinda Patten Santa Barbara, CA beachwatergirl@yahoo.com


A great resource #germany

Elizabeth Levy <levyliz@...>
 

MODERATOR NOTE: For more information and a navigation guide to this website
search the GerSIG archives for the URL cited below. Naomi Teveth posted the
information in March, 2003. Her message included this description:
"Generally, the "Reichsfluchtsteuer" (1931) was imposed in order to avoid the
flight of capital >from the German Reich. The Nazis subsequently tansformed
it into a "people-fleeing-tax" imposed to a great extent on the Jewish
population...."

Dear Friends,
I came across a great website: Die Steuersteckbriefe der Berliner
Finanzaemter at:

http://home.arcor.de/kerstinwolf/berlfa.htm

I can't translate what it says so I've copied the intro here:
Die Analyse aller veröffentlichten Steuersteckbriefe zeigt, daß die Berliner
Finanzämter fast die Hälfte aller insgesamt erlassenen Steckbriefe erlassen
haben. In der folgenden Ãœbersicht finden Sie die Namen Derjenigen, die von
der Berliner Finanzverwaltung mit einem Steckbrief belegt worden sind. Aus
Platzgründen konnten nur folgende biographische Angaben veröffentlicht
werden: Name, Vorname, Geburtstdatum, letzte Berliner Wohnanschrift, Beruf.
Wenn Sie mehr Angaben haben möchten bzw. uns zu den aufgeführten Personen
etwas mitteilen möchten, nehmen Sie Kontakt mit uns auf. Ein entsprechendes
E-Mail Formular finden Sie am Ende jeder Seite.

Lots of names are listed and information is listed. I found family there.
Maybe you will too!

Elizabeth Levy Mevassaet Zion, Israel <levyliz@zahav.net.il>


German SIG #Germany A great resource #germany

Elizabeth Levy <levyliz@...>
 

MODERATOR NOTE: For more information and a navigation guide to this website
search the GerSIG archives for the URL cited below. Naomi Teveth posted the
information in March, 2003. Her message included this description:
"Generally, the "Reichsfluchtsteuer" (1931) was imposed in order to avoid the
flight of capital >from the German Reich. The Nazis subsequently tansformed
it into a "people-fleeing-tax" imposed to a great extent on the Jewish
population...."

Dear Friends,
I came across a great website: Die Steuersteckbriefe der Berliner
Finanzaemter at:

http://home.arcor.de/kerstinwolf/berlfa.htm

I can't translate what it says so I've copied the intro here:
Die Analyse aller veröffentlichten Steuersteckbriefe zeigt, daß die Berliner
Finanzämter fast die Hälfte aller insgesamt erlassenen Steckbriefe erlassen
haben. In der folgenden Ãœbersicht finden Sie die Namen Derjenigen, die von
der Berliner Finanzverwaltung mit einem Steckbrief belegt worden sind. Aus
Platzgründen konnten nur folgende biographische Angaben veröffentlicht
werden: Name, Vorname, Geburtstdatum, letzte Berliner Wohnanschrift, Beruf.
Wenn Sie mehr Angaben haben möchten bzw. uns zu den aufgeführten Personen
etwas mitteilen möchten, nehmen Sie Kontakt mit uns auf. Ein entsprechendes
E-Mail Formular finden Sie am Ende jeder Seite.

Lots of names are listed and information is listed. I found family there.
Maybe you will too!

Elizabeth Levy Mevassaet Zion, Israel <levyliz@zahav.net.il>