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Slave labour camps in North Africa #france

Doug Mason
 

Dear Siggers,

Please excuse my basic question, but I have been looking at the stories of
the French experience during WW2 for only the past few weeks.

The following is my understanding:

In 1941 (1942 as well?), the Vichy government used interned people to work
on the Trans-Sahara railway.

There were 17 slave labour concentration camps in North Africa: 3 in
Morocco, 3 in Algeria, 7 in Tunisia and 4 in Libya.

On the eve of the American and British invasion of North Africa on 8
November 1942 ("Operation Torch"), some four thousand Jewish prisoners
were being held in camps in the south of Morocco and in Algeria.

On 12 November 1942, a few days after the Allies invaded, the French
troops of the Vichy government went over to the Allies, and an armistice
was concluded.

MY QUESTIONS:

1. Are there lists giving the names of internees at each of the
slave labour camps?

2. Following the armistice, did these “troops of the Vichy government” or
any of the internees take part in subsequent fighting in North Africa
against the Germans and Italians?

3. What did the internees of the Camps do following the armistice? Did
they continue working on the trans-Sahara railway? Could they return to
Vichy France?

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia


French SIG #France Slave labour camps in North Africa #france

Doug Mason
 

Dear Siggers,

Please excuse my basic question, but I have been looking at the stories of
the French experience during WW2 for only the past few weeks.

The following is my understanding:

In 1941 (1942 as well?), the Vichy government used interned people to work
on the Trans-Sahara railway.

There were 17 slave labour concentration camps in North Africa: 3 in
Morocco, 3 in Algeria, 7 in Tunisia and 4 in Libya.

On the eve of the American and British invasion of North Africa on 8
November 1942 ("Operation Torch"), some four thousand Jewish prisoners
were being held in camps in the south of Morocco and in Algeria.

On 12 November 1942, a few days after the Allies invaded, the French
troops of the Vichy government went over to the Allies, and an armistice
was concluded.

MY QUESTIONS:

1. Are there lists giving the names of internees at each of the
slave labour camps?

2. Following the armistice, did these “troops of the Vichy government” or
any of the internees take part in subsequent fighting in North Africa
against the Germans and Italians?

3. What did the internees of the Camps do following the armistice? Did
they continue working on the trans-Sahara railway? Could they return to
Vichy France?

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia


Should I Call? #general

steven weiss <szome@...>
 

I have phone numbers for two JGFF researchers who have not responded to my
emails and snail mail. Should I call these persons or would that just make
these persons angry? These persons have listed names and towns that bear
relevance to my own search.

Steven Weiss
Chicago
VOLK >from Pazelva
KANTOR and SCHWARTZBERG >from Rokiskis area


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Should I Call? #general

steven weiss <szome@...>
 

I have phone numbers for two JGFF researchers who have not responded to my
emails and snail mail. Should I call these persons or would that just make
these persons angry? These persons have listed names and towns that bear
relevance to my own search.

Steven Weiss
Chicago
VOLK >from Pazelva
KANTOR and SCHWARTZBERG >from Rokiskis area


THE TIMES DIGITAL ARCHIVE #unitedkingdom

Caroline <cfb@...>
 

Hello,
Thank you so much for all the replies re. this newspaper's archive. I have
at last received a reply >from Gale's feedback form as follows:

"Thank you for your interest in the Times Digital Archive. Due to our
agreement with The Times, this database is only available for purchase to
institutions with official libraries such as academic institutions and
public libraries.
Should you wish to access this database, please let me know where you are
located and I will let you know which library closest to you has a
subscription.
Please feel free to contact me for any further information,
Best regards,
Sales Advisor EMEA
Thomson Learning, High Holborn House, 50-51 Bedford Row, London WC1R 4LR
Tel: +44 (0)20 7067 2665 ; Fax: +44 (0)20 7067 2600 ;
www.thomsonlearning.co.uk "

So I'm just waiting to hear >from them re. the nearest subscription to
Lancaster/Preston (neither of these libraries could help beyond indexed
microfilms).
from everyone's replies, I wonder if Lancaster University has a copy...and
will post their response.
Thank you again and thanks to the lady who originally mentioned that it was
free online for a week. Through this posting, I then discovered my gx2
grandfather's death notice, found a copy of his death certificate in France
and this noted his parents names (amazingly!) - which provided an official
document linking him to his parents, sybling, grandparents and great
grandparents and his home community in Germany.
Best wishes,
Caroline Faunce-Brown
cfb@pobox.com
Lancaster, England
Researching; ADLER and Vergottini


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom THE TIMES DIGITAL ARCHIVE #unitedkingdom

Caroline <cfb@...>
 

Hello,
Thank you so much for all the replies re. this newspaper's archive. I have
at last received a reply >from Gale's feedback form as follows:

"Thank you for your interest in the Times Digital Archive. Due to our
agreement with The Times, this database is only available for purchase to
institutions with official libraries such as academic institutions and
public libraries.
Should you wish to access this database, please let me know where you are
located and I will let you know which library closest to you has a
subscription.
Please feel free to contact me for any further information,
Best regards,
Sales Advisor EMEA
Thomson Learning, High Holborn House, 50-51 Bedford Row, London WC1R 4LR
Tel: +44 (0)20 7067 2665 ; Fax: +44 (0)20 7067 2600 ;
www.thomsonlearning.co.uk "

So I'm just waiting to hear >from them re. the nearest subscription to
Lancaster/Preston (neither of these libraries could help beyond indexed
microfilms).
from everyone's replies, I wonder if Lancaster University has a copy...and
will post their response.
Thank you again and thanks to the lady who originally mentioned that it was
free online for a week. Through this posting, I then discovered my gx2
grandfather's death notice, found a copy of his death certificate in France
and this noted his parents names (amazingly!) - which provided an official
document linking him to his parents, sybling, grandparents and great
grandparents and his home community in Germany.
Best wishes,
Caroline Faunce-Brown
cfb@pobox.com
Lancaster, England
Researching; ADLER and Vergottini


Re: Paktu Krow #poland

Jacob D. Goldstein <jake@...>
 

On 2005.04.27, I wrote:

In an 1827 marriage record >from Siennica, both the groom's family
and the bride's family are described as earning a living from
"Paktu Krow." [...] Does anyone know what "Paktu Krow" might
mean?
I want to thank Judy Baston, Jurek Hirschberg, and Tzilla Kratter
who responded privately to my query. No one knew exactly what
"Paktu Krow" meant but they all guessed that both families were in
the business of renting cows. I suppose that if you lived in a town,
you could find milk to purchase, but if you lived in a rural area, a
few kilometers away >from the nearest town, you had the option of
renting a cow if you couldn't afford to purchase one or if you had
to wait some time to obtain your own.

I also want to thank those who thought I may have misread the
document and asked me to send it to them. I ended up placing the
relevant portion on Viewmate < see
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6010

If you have any bright ideas, please write to me.

Jake Goldstein
Boston, USA
mailto:jake@acm.org


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Paktu Krow #poland

Jacob D. Goldstein <jake@...>
 

On 2005.04.27, I wrote:

In an 1827 marriage record >from Siennica, both the groom's family
and the bride's family are described as earning a living from
"Paktu Krow." [...] Does anyone know what "Paktu Krow" might
mean?
I want to thank Judy Baston, Jurek Hirschberg, and Tzilla Kratter
who responded privately to my query. No one knew exactly what
"Paktu Krow" meant but they all guessed that both families were in
the business of renting cows. I suppose that if you lived in a town,
you could find milk to purchase, but if you lived in a rural area, a
few kilometers away >from the nearest town, you had the option of
renting a cow if you couldn't afford to purchase one or if you had
to wait some time to obtain your own.

I also want to thank those who thought I may have misread the
document and asked me to send it to them. I ended up placing the
relevant portion on Viewmate < see
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6010

If you have any bright ideas, please write to me.

Jake Goldstein
Boston, USA
mailto:jake@acm.org


Jewry from Kurland #latvia

Anna v. Villiez <annavonvilliez@...>
 

dear everyone,

i am trying to find out more about the living and working of jews in
Kurland in the 19th century. there is one question i find hard to
answer, maybe someone can help: in what way did the jewry in Kurland
differ >from jews in other parts of eastern europe especially >from the
ones living within the Pale of Settlemen?. I understand they spoke
German (and not Jiddish) as their first language and were influenced by
the German nobility in Kurland.

I would like to know if there is more literature on this subject, for
excample concerning their economical situation towards the end of the
19th century. Was there as much poverty as there was among the jews in
other areas in that time? What where their reasons to emigrate? Was is
the fear of being recruited by the Russian Army or were there also
econonical reasons?

I would appreciate any answer!

Please excuse my not so perfect English.

Best wishes,

Anna v. Villiez
Hamburg, Germany


BRAUN, Elias and Sofia, (and children Moritz, Sara, Anna)


Latvia SIG #Latvia Jewry from Kurland #latvia

Anna v. Villiez <annavonvilliez@...>
 

dear everyone,

i am trying to find out more about the living and working of jews in
Kurland in the 19th century. there is one question i find hard to
answer, maybe someone can help: in what way did the jewry in Kurland
differ >from jews in other parts of eastern europe especially >from the
ones living within the Pale of Settlemen?. I understand they spoke
German (and not Jiddish) as their first language and were influenced by
the German nobility in Kurland.

I would like to know if there is more literature on this subject, for
excample concerning their economical situation towards the end of the
19th century. Was there as much poverty as there was among the jews in
other areas in that time? What where their reasons to emigrate? Was is
the fear of being recruited by the Russian Army or were there also
econonical reasons?

I would appreciate any answer!

Please excuse my not so perfect English.

Best wishes,

Anna v. Villiez
Hamburg, Germany


BRAUN, Elias and Sofia, (and children Moritz, Sara, Anna)


Kossover Society at New Montifiore Cemetery #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

In Rabbi Alvin M. Poplack's book "Carved in Granite" he mentions the
Kossover Soceity with a memorial at the New Montifiore Cemetery. Does anyone
know if this Kossover Society is connected with Kosovo in Belarus or is it
connected with the Kosovo in Galicia?
Does anyone know how to contace Rabbi Alvin M. Poplack in Florida?
Thanks
Rose Feldman
Mscibov Belarus www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Mschibow
Ruzhany & Kossovo Belarus www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ruzhany
Litin Podolia Ukraine www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Litin
Kalinovka Vinnesta Ukraine www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kalinovka


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kossover Society at New Montifiore Cemetery #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

In Rabbi Alvin M. Poplack's book "Carved in Granite" he mentions the
Kossover Soceity with a memorial at the New Montifiore Cemetery. Does anyone
know if this Kossover Society is connected with Kosovo in Belarus or is it
connected with the Kosovo in Galicia?
Does anyone know how to contace Rabbi Alvin M. Poplack in Florida?
Thanks
Rose Feldman
Mscibov Belarus www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Mschibow
Ruzhany & Kossovo Belarus www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ruzhany
Litin Podolia Ukraine www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Litin
Kalinovka Vinnesta Ukraine www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kalinovka


The Survivors Story #general

Mary Klevitsky
 

Hello, Genners,

I think you might be interested in watching this documentary:

Survivors' stories
Teenager Zach Smilovitz interviews his grandparents, who are
Holocaust survivors.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/

On this link (see above), go to the top right and click on the
'Survivors’ story'

Regards,

Mary Klevitsky
Harrisburg, PA
USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Survivors Story #general

Mary Klevitsky
 

Hello, Genners,

I think you might be interested in watching this documentary:

Survivors' stories
Teenager Zach Smilovitz interviews his grandparents, who are
Holocaust survivors.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/

On this link (see above), go to the top right and click on the
'Survivors’ story'

Regards,

Mary Klevitsky
Harrisburg, PA
USA


Re: Jewish Genealogical Presence in Charleston SC #general

Ann M. Hellman <hellmana@...>
 

Jacob,
You are correct. When I was sending the information, I was only thinking of
the synagogues. The college of Charleston site is awesome. The address is

http://www.cofc.edu/~jhc/

It contains:
About the Collection . SC Jews Tell Their Stories . Oral History Archives
Field Work Files . Publications. Exhibition

Hope this helps anyone searching in Charleston, SC.

Ann Meddin Hellman
Charleston, SC

It may of interest to all the Genners to know that the College of
Charleston has a big Center for Jewish Studies with connection to
the Jewish Historical Society of SC.As far as I recall they also
have a lot of publications which contain chunks of genealogical
value.Charleston is one of the oldest Jewish communities in the
New World.One of the oldest synagogues,actually a Temple >from the
18th century is still in use.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Jewish Genealogical Presence in Charleston SC #general

Ann M. Hellman <hellmana@...>
 

Jacob,
You are correct. When I was sending the information, I was only thinking of
the synagogues. The college of Charleston site is awesome. The address is

http://www.cofc.edu/~jhc/

It contains:
About the Collection . SC Jews Tell Their Stories . Oral History Archives
Field Work Files . Publications. Exhibition

Hope this helps anyone searching in Charleston, SC.

Ann Meddin Hellman
Charleston, SC

It may of interest to all the Genners to know that the College of
Charleston has a big Center for Jewish Studies with connection to
the Jewish Historical Society of SC.As far as I recall they also
have a lot of publications which contain chunks of genealogical
value.Charleston is one of the oldest Jewish communities in the
New World.One of the oldest synagogues,actually a Temple >from the
18th century is still in use.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


WEISS of Illinois #general

Roland Tompowsky <roland.tompowsky@...>
 

Dear Genners!
I am searching for descendants to Herman WEISS born in Illinois, USA about
1896 and probably died 1875. If you know anything about him and his
descendants, please correspond directly to me below
Regards
Roland Tompowsky - email - roland.tompowsky@telia.com

TUMPOWSKY, TUMPOSKY, TUMPEER, TOMPOWSKY, TOMPOFSKI, TOMBOSKY, THOME, TUMPSON,
SLUTSKY, FRANKELSTEIN, FINKELSTEIN, NATELSON, ALTFELD, BERNSTEIN of Cologne,
RENICK or REINICK, WILDE, GANZGLASS, FRYCZMAN, GOOTT, MYERS in SouthAfrica,
OSMOND of Kings Norton, Birmingham, England, STAROPOLSKI or (or those who changed
it to) STARR, MORAN of LEEDS, MANSFIELD of London, ROSENBLOOM, ROSENBERG, HARRIS
and EDELSTEIN of Syracuse, USA, MILLER of Montour, PA, USA. WEISS of Cook, Illinois.


Los Angeles Jewish newspaper, 1970-1980's #general

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

I remember the B'nai B'rith Messenger well (my parents used to receive it
weekly when I was growing up), and yes, it had obituaries (no idea if they
were paid or not--I somehow doubt it, since there were many of them, and
they were fairly short). It was a weekly paper. You would probably need to
search Jewish library catalogs in LA (University of Judaism, HUC, etc.) to
see who carries copies and whether it has been microfilmed. Davka was a
journal of some sort, not a newspaper. I have never seen Heritage, but it,
too, was a newspaper, I believe.

Marion Werle
North Hills, CA
<werle@linkline.com>
------

Subject: Los Angeles Jewish newspaper, 1970-1980's
From: jeremy frankel <jfrankel@lmi.net>
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:48:43 -0700
X-Message-Number: 19

B'nai B'rith Messenger; Davka; Heritage-Southwest Jewish Press. All
feature Los Angeles addresses.

Not actually having seen these publications, I cannot say for sure
whether they all carried death notices.

I have located death notices for a relative and his wife in the LA Times
(1978 and 1982)...... What Jewish newspaper in LA might have had an
actual obituary? I am looking for the children of this family,
obviously, if there are any.

Monica Talmor
Hamden, CT


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WEISS of Illinois #general

Roland Tompowsky <roland.tompowsky@...>
 

Dear Genners!
I am searching for descendants to Herman WEISS born in Illinois, USA about
1896 and probably died 1875. If you know anything about him and his
descendants, please correspond directly to me below
Regards
Roland Tompowsky - email - roland.tompowsky@telia.com

TUMPOWSKY, TUMPOSKY, TUMPEER, TOMPOWSKY, TOMPOFSKI, TOMBOSKY, THOME, TUMPSON,
SLUTSKY, FRANKELSTEIN, FINKELSTEIN, NATELSON, ALTFELD, BERNSTEIN of Cologne,
RENICK or REINICK, WILDE, GANZGLASS, FRYCZMAN, GOOTT, MYERS in SouthAfrica,
OSMOND of Kings Norton, Birmingham, England, STAROPOLSKI or (or those who changed
it to) STARR, MORAN of LEEDS, MANSFIELD of London, ROSENBLOOM, ROSENBERG, HARRIS
and EDELSTEIN of Syracuse, USA, MILLER of Montour, PA, USA. WEISS of Cook, Illinois.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Los Angeles Jewish newspaper, 1970-1980's #general

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

I remember the B'nai B'rith Messenger well (my parents used to receive it
weekly when I was growing up), and yes, it had obituaries (no idea if they
were paid or not--I somehow doubt it, since there were many of them, and
they were fairly short). It was a weekly paper. You would probably need to
search Jewish library catalogs in LA (University of Judaism, HUC, etc.) to
see who carries copies and whether it has been microfilmed. Davka was a
journal of some sort, not a newspaper. I have never seen Heritage, but it,
too, was a newspaper, I believe.

Marion Werle
North Hills, CA
<werle@linkline.com>
------

Subject: Los Angeles Jewish newspaper, 1970-1980's
From: jeremy frankel <jfrankel@lmi.net>
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:48:43 -0700
X-Message-Number: 19

B'nai B'rith Messenger; Davka; Heritage-Southwest Jewish Press. All
feature Los Angeles addresses.

Not actually having seen these publications, I cannot say for sure
whether they all carried death notices.

I have located death notices for a relative and his wife in the LA Times
(1978 and 1982)...... What Jewish newspaper in LA might have had an
actual obituary? I am looking for the children of this family,
obviously, if there are any.

Monica Talmor
Hamden, CT