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Re: List of departure ports? #general

Harry Dodsworth <af877@...>
 

Judy Baston (Jrbaston@aol.com) posted:
Is there somewhere a list of departure ports used by
emigrants >from Eastern Europe?

I have heard a tape recording made by another researcher's
grandmother in which she speaks (quite clearly) of boarding
a ship in a place she called "Andrerten." I'd like to see if
there is a departure port that might correspond with this
location name.
This is almost certainly Antwerp - Antwerpen in Flemish - a
commonly used port for emigration to North America.

--
Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: List of departure ports? #general

Harry Dodsworth <af877@...>
 

Judy Baston (Jrbaston@aol.com) posted:
Is there somewhere a list of departure ports used by
emigrants >from Eastern Europe?

I have heard a tape recording made by another researcher's
grandmother in which she speaks (quite clearly) of boarding
a ship in a place she called "Andrerten." I'd like to see if
there is a departure port that might correspond with this
location name.
This is almost certainly Antwerp - Antwerpen in Flemish - a
commonly used port for emigration to North America.

--
Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca


SALOMON Wetzlar #germany

Gerrard Salomon <jerrysalomon@...>
 

Hi Gersigers; Since I see that so many inquiries find someone who can answer
I decided not to sit idly by any longer. I have tried to elicit some data from
the City offices of Wetzlar (Hessen)rearding the parents of Ruben SALOMON b. 1845
in Wetzlar d.1920 in ?

married three times: 1) Hanna SONNEBORN b. 1850, Breidenbach,d. 1874 ?
They had one child: Albert SALOMON b.1869 Wetzlar d. 1944 Bogota,Colombia, my
grandfather. Mar. 2)Flora SONNEBORN b.1845 Mar. 3)unknown.

They couldn't help, so I wrote to the Hessian state archives,(the correspondence
was in German both times)and they looked and came up emptyhanded. They
suggested a professional genealogist. Is there someone out there who might have
other sources? Thank you very much,

Gerrard Salomon, La Jolla CA <jerrysalomon@sbcglobal.net>


German SIG #Germany SALOMON Wetzlar #germany

Gerrard Salomon <jerrysalomon@...>
 

Hi Gersigers; Since I see that so many inquiries find someone who can answer
I decided not to sit idly by any longer. I have tried to elicit some data from
the City offices of Wetzlar (Hessen)rearding the parents of Ruben SALOMON b. 1845
in Wetzlar d.1920 in ?

married three times: 1) Hanna SONNEBORN b. 1850, Breidenbach,d. 1874 ?
They had one child: Albert SALOMON b.1869 Wetzlar d. 1944 Bogota,Colombia, my
grandfather. Mar. 2)Flora SONNEBORN b.1845 Mar. 3)unknown.

They couldn't help, so I wrote to the Hessian state archives,(the correspondence
was in German both times)and they looked and came up emptyhanded. They
suggested a professional genealogist. Is there someone out there who might have
other sources? Thank you very much,

Gerrard Salomon, La Jolla CA <jerrysalomon@sbcglobal.net>


Re: 1916 census of Jerusalem #general

Mathilde Tagger <tagger@...>
 

Hi Nick,

You wrote:
Apparently the Ottomans took censuses in 1905, 1911, 1912 and 1914.
In 1916, a census was taken by the American Aid Committee to enable
distribution of food and money to the Jewish population.

I have also found that the material >from the Ottoman Administration. Census
and Population (Nefus) Registers 1884-1917 (Record Group 39) can be read in
the Reading-Room of the State Archives.
www.isragen.org.il/ROS/ARCHIVES/archive-state-2.html
--------->
As I earlier write, the Ottoman censuses are kept by the Israel State Archives.
The problem with these censuses is that they are written in Osmanli script -
a kind of Arabic handwriting, and only some university scholars can read them.
People, fluent in Arabic, can decipher the handwriting with enormous
difficulties.

Shalom,
Mathilde Tagger
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1916 census of Jerusalem #general

Mathilde Tagger <tagger@...>
 

Hi Nick,

You wrote:
Apparently the Ottomans took censuses in 1905, 1911, 1912 and 1914.
In 1916, a census was taken by the American Aid Committee to enable
distribution of food and money to the Jewish population.

I have also found that the material >from the Ottoman Administration. Census
and Population (Nefus) Registers 1884-1917 (Record Group 39) can be read in
the Reading-Room of the State Archives.
www.isragen.org.il/ROS/ARCHIVES/archive-state-2.html
--------->
As I earlier write, the Ottoman censuses are kept by the Israel State Archives.
The problem with these censuses is that they are written in Osmanli script -
a kind of Arabic handwriting, and only some university scholars can read them.
People, fluent in Arabic, can decipher the handwriting with enormous
difficulties.

Shalom,
Mathilde Tagger
Jerusalem


Re: Searching for SCHECHTER from Ukraine #ukraine

DebWE308@...
 

Hi Genners,
My Great Grandfather Herschel Hacohen SCHECHTER who was born in 1866 in the
Tivrov, son of Hannah and Moshe Schechter, near Vinnitza, had a sister named
Rivka who married a cousin Sasha (Suchor) Schechter. They had around 13
children. Some of them later were living in Balti Romania. The children's name's were:
Avrum, Yankel, Mendel, Herschel, Bora, Yitzhak, Sarah, Esther, Pearl, Mushke.
I am trying to locate the descendants of this part of the family. If anyone
knows of them please contact me.

Debbie Etzion
Great Neck, NY


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Searching for SCHECHTER from Ukraine #ukraine

DebWE308@...
 

Hi Genners,
My Great Grandfather Herschel Hacohen SCHECHTER who was born in 1866 in the
Tivrov, son of Hannah and Moshe Schechter, near Vinnitza, had a sister named
Rivka who married a cousin Sasha (Suchor) Schechter. They had around 13
children. Some of them later were living in Balti Romania. The children's name's were:
Avrum, Yankel, Mendel, Herschel, Bora, Yitzhak, Sarah, Esther, Pearl, Mushke.
I am trying to locate the descendants of this part of the family. If anyone
knows of them please contact me.

Debbie Etzion
Great Neck, NY


Re: Were they from Poland or Russia #general

Yisrael Asper
 

The ethnic group being Jewish is not a matter of dispute. A Polish Jew
is not considered ethnically a Pole. The only question would be amongst
the Jews if someone would be considered ethnically Polish Jewish or
whatever subgroup. The answer seems to vary depending sometimes on
border changes and sometimes on culture.
Yisrael Asper
Pittsburgh PA

My father also came >from Kishinev in 1905 in what he, and everybody else
then called it, Bessarabia. His ethnic group or, as people used to say,
"nationality" was "Jewish" as was that of all the other Jews. At the time
he lived there, most inhabitants of the city were Jews and Russians and some
were Romanians and Germans. The peasants in the surrounding countryside
were mostly Romanian.

My father spoke Yiddish (what we used to call "Jewish") as his native
language and Russian as a second language. He didn’t speak Romanian because
there was no need to. However, his younger sisters, who continued to live
there after it was transferred to Romania after the First World War learned
to speak Romanian as well. Their Russian identity papers (it became Russian
again after the Second World War) identified them as "Jews" by nationality.

However, the United States did not and does not recognize people by their
“nationality” but by their "citizenship", which varies >from time to time as
borders change. In Eastern Europe, nobody’s ethnic group changes when
territory changes hands – only their citizenship. A Polish Jew is not a Pole
and a Russian Jew is not a Russian. So it makes sense to describe somebody’
s “nationality” as Jewish, and his origin as >from a certain town, which can
be described as belonging to one country then and now belonging to another
country.

Yehuda Berman,
Efrat, Israel

I found Lilli Sprintz' comments very interesting - re her paternal
grandfather as being "Romanian" having come >from Kishinev, now in Moldova.
My husband's grandfather also came >from Kishinev, Moldova but he always said
he came >from the Ukraine and considered himself "Ukrainian.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Were they from Poland or Russia #general

Yisrael Asper
 

The ethnic group being Jewish is not a matter of dispute. A Polish Jew
is not considered ethnically a Pole. The only question would be amongst
the Jews if someone would be considered ethnically Polish Jewish or
whatever subgroup. The answer seems to vary depending sometimes on
border changes and sometimes on culture.
Yisrael Asper
Pittsburgh PA

My father also came >from Kishinev in 1905 in what he, and everybody else
then called it, Bessarabia. His ethnic group or, as people used to say,
"nationality" was "Jewish" as was that of all the other Jews. At the time
he lived there, most inhabitants of the city were Jews and Russians and some
were Romanians and Germans. The peasants in the surrounding countryside
were mostly Romanian.

My father spoke Yiddish (what we used to call "Jewish") as his native
language and Russian as a second language. He didn’t speak Romanian because
there was no need to. However, his younger sisters, who continued to live
there after it was transferred to Romania after the First World War learned
to speak Romanian as well. Their Russian identity papers (it became Russian
again after the Second World War) identified them as "Jews" by nationality.

However, the United States did not and does not recognize people by their
“nationality” but by their "citizenship", which varies >from time to time as
borders change. In Eastern Europe, nobody’s ethnic group changes when
territory changes hands – only their citizenship. A Polish Jew is not a Pole
and a Russian Jew is not a Russian. So it makes sense to describe somebody’
s “nationality” as Jewish, and his origin as >from a certain town, which can
be described as belonging to one country then and now belonging to another
country.

Yehuda Berman,
Efrat, Israel

I found Lilli Sprintz' comments very interesting - re her paternal
grandfather as being "Romanian" having come >from Kishinev, now in Moldova.
My husband's grandfather also came >from Kishinev, Moldova but he always said
he came >from the Ukraine and considered himself "Ukrainian.


New site: Doopregisters "registers of baptism" in Amsterdam 1716 - 1811 #general

Max & Bertha van Dam <berthavd@...>
 

Dear people,

If we search Jewish families, we do not normally look in "Doopregisters" ,
registers of baptism.

But ............ a recently new data-base of "Gemeente-archief Amsterdam"
about the period of 1716 - 1811 gives a lot information for them who
searching in Dutch Jew Portuguese records.
If you are searching namens like Vieijra, Nabarro, Pizaro and so on we
recommend to have a look in
http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/index.nl.html
Unfortunately the data-base is only in Dutch. If you have problems with the
Dutch language, we offer our help.

With the kindest greetings,

Bertha van Dam
Rechovot
Israel

Researching the following Dutch families: BROMET(Worldwide); CONEN; CRACAU;
DOOF; HAMMELBURG; LOONSTEIN; NABARRO, (Holland and England); SOESTER; SWAAP;
TRIJBETS/TRIJBETZ/TRIJBITZ; VAN CLEEF/VAN KLEEF; VAN DAM;
and some other Dutch families

MODERATOR NOTE: If the long URL (ending with .html) is broken into two lines,
please be sure both parts appear in your browser's address line.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New site: Doopregisters "registers of baptism" in Amsterdam 1716 - 1811 #general

Max & Bertha van Dam <berthavd@...>
 

Dear people,

If we search Jewish families, we do not normally look in "Doopregisters" ,
registers of baptism.

But ............ a recently new data-base of "Gemeente-archief Amsterdam"
about the period of 1716 - 1811 gives a lot information for them who
searching in Dutch Jew Portuguese records.
If you are searching namens like Vieijra, Nabarro, Pizaro and so on we
recommend to have a look in
http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/index.nl.html
Unfortunately the data-base is only in Dutch. If you have problems with the
Dutch language, we offer our help.

With the kindest greetings,

Bertha van Dam
Rechovot
Israel

Researching the following Dutch families: BROMET(Worldwide); CONEN; CRACAU;
DOOF; HAMMELBURG; LOONSTEIN; NABARRO, (Holland and England); SOESTER; SWAAP;
TRIJBETS/TRIJBETZ/TRIJBITZ; VAN CLEEF/VAN KLEEF; VAN DAM;
and some other Dutch families

MODERATOR NOTE: If the long URL (ending with .html) is broken into two lines,
please be sure both parts appear in your browser's address line.


Re: Danzig records #general

Nachum Tuchman
 

A while back there was talk of a book on the Jews of Prussia. It
started, or had in it's name the word 'quellen', and then something
about the Jews of Prussia, in German.

Included in the book, several volumes actually, there are census lists
from something like 1794, or the first German census that was taken
for each particular town, if after that year.

Noticeably missing are all towns in the Posen district.

I can't remember the name, or the authoress of the book. Hopefully
someone out there will know what I'm talking about and can tell us the
name, remembering that it has census lists.

I do remember that I checked the pages on Danzig for someone, and
there was a census list. As I recall, there were no last names.

Perhaps this book, whatever its' name, can be of help.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel
Please note my new e-mail address

Searching:
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
LIEBERMAN / ZYSSMAN - Lowicz Poland
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
ROSINSKY / BAYLETT / PAILET / BERNSTEIN - London
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Danzig records #general

Nachum Tuchman
 

A while back there was talk of a book on the Jews of Prussia. It
started, or had in it's name the word 'quellen', and then something
about the Jews of Prussia, in German.

Included in the book, several volumes actually, there are census lists
from something like 1794, or the first German census that was taken
for each particular town, if after that year.

Noticeably missing are all towns in the Posen district.

I can't remember the name, or the authoress of the book. Hopefully
someone out there will know what I'm talking about and can tell us the
name, remembering that it has census lists.

I do remember that I checked the pages on Danzig for someone, and
there was a census list. As I recall, there were no last names.

Perhaps this book, whatever its' name, can be of help.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel
Please note my new e-mail address

Searching:
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
LIEBERMAN / ZYSSMAN - Lowicz Poland
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
ROSINSKY / BAYLETT / PAILET / BERNSTEIN - London
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin


Odp: 'Owna Suffix (was: STROMWASSEROWNA) #general

Julia Koszewska <julia_koszewska@...>
 

not exactly. it's like:
when father was STROMWASSER, then his wife was: STROMWASSERowa.
and their daughter was STROMWASSERowna.
cause -owna is for female, but not married. it's suffix which was
added to parents' surname. but to husband's surname was -owa.
best regards- Julia

'owna is indeed a suffix that was used at the end of surnames, when the
person was a female. My female relatives in Lublin had 'owna at the end
of their surname, and the males did not.

Tom Erribe


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Odp: 'Owna Suffix (was: STROMWASSEROWNA) #general

Julia Koszewska <julia_koszewska@...>
 

not exactly. it's like:
when father was STROMWASSER, then his wife was: STROMWASSERowa.
and their daughter was STROMWASSERowna.
cause -owna is for female, but not married. it's suffix which was
added to parents' surname. but to husband's surname was -owa.
best regards- Julia

'owna is indeed a suffix that was used at the end of surnames, when the
person was a female. My female relatives in Lublin had 'owna at the end
of their surname, and the males did not.

Tom Erribe


Attention Brest Researchers #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

I have been receiving private inquiries regarding a fund-raising message
that was sent to Brest researchers by the "OWNER/MODERATOR Brest, Belarus
Research SIG".

PLEASE BE ADVISED that this person and his organization is in no way
connected to or supported by the Belarus SIG or JewishGen, even though
the name he has adopted appears otherwise.

Please be careful!

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Founder and Past Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


Belarus SIG #Belarus Attention Brest Researchers #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

I have been receiving private inquiries regarding a fund-raising message
that was sent to Brest researchers by the "OWNER/MODERATOR Brest, Belarus
Research SIG".

PLEASE BE ADVISED that this person and his organization is in no way
connected to or supported by the Belarus SIG or JewishGen, even though
the name he has adopted appears otherwise.

Please be careful!

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Founder and Past Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


Belarus SIG activities at the conference #belarus

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Will you be attending the Las Vegas conference?
If so, please let the SIG transition team know through the
Belarus SIG homepage.

The team wants to remind members about the Belarus SIG luncheon
on Tuesday, July 12, followed immediately by the Belarus SIG
meeting.

If you have not already signed up for the luncheon, please be
aware that luncheon reservations must be made online and cannot
be made in person at the conference.
If you wish to add the Belarus SIG luncheon, contact the
registration company
directly at 1-800-805-3976 (toll-free in the US) or by email :
<IAJGSInfo@yesevents.com >.

The team would like to meet you, and it will be a chance for you
to network, in person, with those whose names have become
familiar to you through the SIG list.

The SIG meeting program will be announced soon. In addition to an
interesting presentation, the team will cover the SIG's present
and future plans, including projects.

With best wishes,

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Belarus SIG, transition team member
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net


Belarus SIG #Belarus Belarus SIG activities at the conference #belarus

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Will you be attending the Las Vegas conference?
If so, please let the SIG transition team know through the
Belarus SIG homepage.

The team wants to remind members about the Belarus SIG luncheon
on Tuesday, July 12, followed immediately by the Belarus SIG
meeting.

If you have not already signed up for the luncheon, please be
aware that luncheon reservations must be made online and cannot
be made in person at the conference.
If you wish to add the Belarus SIG luncheon, contact the
registration company
directly at 1-800-805-3976 (toll-free in the US) or by email :
<IAJGSInfo@yesevents.com >.

The team would like to meet you, and it will be a chance for you
to network, in person, with those whose names have become
familiar to you through the SIG list.

The SIG meeting program will be announced soon. In addition to an
interesting presentation, the team will cover the SIG's present
and future plans, including projects.

With best wishes,

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Belarus SIG, transition team member
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net