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Re: h-sig digest: June 06, 2005 #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Judy,

What is the source for your information that there were only 6 Jewish
households enumerated in the 1848 Jewish Census of Temesvar? The
on-line version of the 1901-06 Jewish Encyclopedia has the following
info about Temesvar:

The earliest Jewish census at Temesvar was taken in 1739, when there
were 139 Ashkenazim and 81 Sephardim (46 families altogether). In 1755
there were 23 Jewish families in the city; 53 in 1772; 76 in 1776; and
72 in 1781. In 1840 the Jewish population of the city was about 1,200,
of whom 750 lived in the citadel, 340 in the city, and about 50 in the
suburbs. In 1858 the number was 2,202; in 1890,4,870; and in 1901,
5,788 (including Jewish soldiers, 5,916). The total population of
Temesvar is 53,033.
Go to http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/index.jsp and click on T to
find the full entry.

Keep in mind that the Hungarian State Archives has census records that
the FHL has not filmed.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:00 PM, H-SIG digest wrote:

Subject: Temesvar 1848
From: Jbacskai@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:07:50 EDT
X-Message-Number: 1

On June 1, 2005 Peter I Hidas wrote:
Temesvar was an important Jewish community >from the 17th century. In
1910 6728 Jews lived there. Total pop.: 72,555. The Jews migrated
here
from the Balkans and were Sephardic. In 1840 the Jewish pop. was 960,
by 1880 it grew to 4196.
Peter,
Why does the 1848 Jewish Census list only 6 households? Could nearly
1000
have been overlooked or was there a reason why they were intentionally
left
out? Granted, there were some more Jews in Temesvar who were Turkish
subjects,
but they were given only short term, temporary permits to stay. As far
as I can
tell, that's the only indication (according to correspondence
attached to
the census) for a larger number of Jews in Temesvar in1848.

Judy Bacskai
Kensington, CA


*Re: NEV VALTOZTATASOK - NAME CHANGES - PECS UNIVERSITY #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

As Robert points out, this is a well known resource, for years available at the FHC library and it was discussed at this forum (see archive of previous threads).

For the newer members, a caveat: this listing is classified according to the "Hungarized" (magyarositott) surname and there is NO REVERSE LOOKUP. Therefor, if you don't know the NEW name your ancestor took there is no way to learn if he changed his surname, unless you browse the complete book (over 500 pages!).

Enjoy, with moderation ;-)
Tom

At 01:00 -0500 07.06.2005, roneu1@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: NEV VALTOZTATASOK - NAME CHANGES - PECS UNIVERSITY
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 01:14:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 3

This is simply to indicate that this is NOT a newdatabase, as it has been available for years as a book and microfiche >from the FHL. Though of course it's great to have it online.
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: h-sig digest: June 06, 2005 #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Judy,

What is the source for your information that there were only 6 Jewish
households enumerated in the 1848 Jewish Census of Temesvar? The
on-line version of the 1901-06 Jewish Encyclopedia has the following
info about Temesvar:

The earliest Jewish census at Temesvar was taken in 1739, when there
were 139 Ashkenazim and 81 Sephardim (46 families altogether). In 1755
there were 23 Jewish families in the city; 53 in 1772; 76 in 1776; and
72 in 1781. In 1840 the Jewish population of the city was about 1,200,
of whom 750 lived in the citadel, 340 in the city, and about 50 in the
suburbs. In 1858 the number was 2,202; in 1890,4,870; and in 1901,
5,788 (including Jewish soldiers, 5,916). The total population of
Temesvar is 53,033.
Go to http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/index.jsp and click on T to
find the full entry.

Keep in mind that the Hungarian State Archives has census records that
the FHL has not filmed.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:00 PM, H-SIG digest wrote:

Subject: Temesvar 1848
From: Jbacskai@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:07:50 EDT
X-Message-Number: 1

On June 1, 2005 Peter I Hidas wrote:
Temesvar was an important Jewish community >from the 17th century. In
1910 6728 Jews lived there. Total pop.: 72,555. The Jews migrated
here
from the Balkans and were Sephardic. In 1840 the Jewish pop. was 960,
by 1880 it grew to 4196.
Peter,
Why does the 1848 Jewish Census list only 6 households? Could nearly
1000
have been overlooked or was there a reason why they were intentionally
left
out? Granted, there were some more Jews in Temesvar who were Turkish
subjects,
but they were given only short term, temporary permits to stay. As far
as I can
tell, that's the only indication (according to correspondence
attached to
the census) for a larger number of Jews in Temesvar in1848.

Judy Bacskai
Kensington, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary *Re: NEV VALTOZTATASOK - NAME CHANGES - PECS UNIVERSITY #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

As Robert points out, this is a well known resource, for years available at the FHC library and it was discussed at this forum (see archive of previous threads).

For the newer members, a caveat: this listing is classified according to the "Hungarized" (magyarositott) surname and there is NO REVERSE LOOKUP. Therefor, if you don't know the NEW name your ancestor took there is no way to learn if he changed his surname, unless you browse the complete book (over 500 pages!).

Enjoy, with moderation ;-)
Tom

At 01:00 -0500 07.06.2005, roneu1@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: NEV VALTOZTATASOK - NAME CHANGES - PECS UNIVERSITY
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 01:14:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 3

This is simply to indicate that this is NOT a newdatabase, as it has been available for years as a book and microfiche >from the FHL. Though of course it's great to have it online.
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Don't use the answer key too quickly. #hungary

Georges Graner
 

Dear Siggers,
I chosed the Digest form for H-Sig, so that I receive once a day a long
message containing all yours.
But this single message is usually miles and miles long because many people
use the ANSWER key too quickly, without erasing the content of the previous
message(s). Therefore, the actual answer is sometimes 5 line long but it
contains also 40 lines of the previous message (with > in front of them)
and sometimes 40 more lines of the previous previous message (with > > ).
This is very confusing and irritating.

Please, dear Siggers, when you answer, just keep 3 or 4 lines of the
previous message. It is quite sufficient to recall what it was.
T.I.A.

Georges GRANER (Paris-France)
georges.graner@wanadoo.fr

Moderator: Thanks for this reminder, Georges. Your moderator tries to edit messages but would not need to do so if subscribers reviewed and edited their own messages.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Don't use the answer key too quickly. #hungary

Georges Graner
 

Dear Siggers,
I chosed the Digest form for H-Sig, so that I receive once a day a long
message containing all yours.
But this single message is usually miles and miles long because many people
use the ANSWER key too quickly, without erasing the content of the previous
message(s). Therefore, the actual answer is sometimes 5 line long but it
contains also 40 lines of the previous message (with > in front of them)
and sometimes 40 more lines of the previous previous message (with > > ).
This is very confusing and irritating.

Please, dear Siggers, when you answer, just keep 3 or 4 lines of the
previous message. It is quite sufficient to recall what it was.
T.I.A.

Georges GRANER (Paris-France)
georges.graner@wanadoo.fr

Moderator: Thanks for this reminder, Georges. Your moderator tries to edit messages but would not need to do so if subscribers reviewed and edited their own messages.


Re: Temesvar 1848 #hungary

Peter I.Hidas <thidas@...>
 

On Monday, Jun 6, 2005, at 03:07 Canada/Eastern, Jbacskai@aol.com wrote:

On June 1, 2005 Peter I Hidas wrote:
Temesvar was an important Jewish community >from the 17th century. In
1910 6728 Jews lived there. Total pop.: 72,555. The Jews migrated
here
from the Balkans and were Sephardic. In 1840 the Jewish pop. was 960,
by 1880 it grew to 4196.
Peter,
Why does the 1848 Jewish Census list only 6 households?
I have no idea. That census is obviously incomplete.

Peter
Mississauga, Ontario
Canada

www3.sympatico.ca/thidas
peterhidas@yahoo.com


Re: NEV VALTOZTATASOK - NAME CHANGES - PECS UNIVERSITY #hungary

JGyori@...
 

Dear GenFamily,
I have used and seen this Name Changes Index before, but I've never been
able to find out -- are there "files" or some kind of background details
available for each of these listings?

I might have found my ggrandfather -- Gyori Sandor. He lived in Budapest by
this time, but was born in Gonyu, near Gyor. He was a merchant and, I think,
that his original name was Singer, but I don't know for sure. And since this
listing doesn't show birth place, I can't be sure. And I can't seem to find
his birth record that would list his name change.

And so, my question, are there any additional "files" available at the
Hungarian Archives?
Thank you,
Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Temesvar 1848 #hungary

Peter I.Hidas <thidas@...>
 

On Monday, Jun 6, 2005, at 03:07 Canada/Eastern, Jbacskai@aol.com wrote:

On June 1, 2005 Peter I Hidas wrote:
Temesvar was an important Jewish community >from the 17th century. In
1910 6728 Jews lived there. Total pop.: 72,555. The Jews migrated
here
from the Balkans and were Sephardic. In 1840 the Jewish pop. was 960,
by 1880 it grew to 4196.
Peter,
Why does the 1848 Jewish Census list only 6 households?
I have no idea. That census is obviously incomplete.

Peter
Mississauga, Ontario
Canada

www3.sympatico.ca/thidas
peterhidas@yahoo.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: NEV VALTOZTATASOK - NAME CHANGES - PECS UNIVERSITY #hungary

JGyori@...
 

Dear GenFamily,
I have used and seen this Name Changes Index before, but I've never been
able to find out -- are there "files" or some kind of background details
available for each of these listings?

I might have found my ggrandfather -- Gyori Sandor. He lived in Budapest by
this time, but was born in Gonyu, near Gyor. He was a merchant and, I think,
that his original name was Singer, but I don't know for sure. And since this
listing doesn't show birth place, I can't be sure. And I can't seem to find
his birth record that would list his name change.

And so, my question, are there any additional "files" available at the
Hungarian Archives?
Thank you,
Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona


Re: Sfaradim Jews in Hungary / ROSANES #hungary

Robert Neu
 

The name Rosanics or Rozonics is not Hungarian but
Slavic, the "ics" means simply son of. Check if they
appear on the records of Kismarton/Eisenstadt which
had an early Jewish community.

Robert Neu

--- Ruben Weiser <weiser@ba.net> wrote:

The brother of my greatgrandmother(Schwartz family
from Szabolcs
county),used to say that we are decendents of the
autor of mishne lamelech
,who was rabbi Yehuda Rosanes >from Turkey.
When i ask him how was it posible that we are
ashkenasim and decendents of
sfardim,he answer that all the Schwartz family come
from spain in the
inquisition time.
I never find out any Rosanes living in hungary but i
found some living in
Poland.
this month i found in the 1715 census 3 Rosanics or
Rozonics living in a
small town near Kismarton(Eisenstadt).can they be
jewish?or it is just a
similar hungarian lastname?.
anyone with the same story?

thanks
Ruben Weiser.
Buenos Aires
Argentina


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Sfaradim Jews in Hungary / ROSANES #hungary

Robert Neu
 

The name Rosanics or Rozonics is not Hungarian but
Slavic, the "ics" means simply son of. Check if they
appear on the records of Kismarton/Eisenstadt which
had an early Jewish community.

Robert Neu

--- Ruben Weiser <weiser@ba.net> wrote:

The brother of my greatgrandmother(Schwartz family
from Szabolcs
county),used to say that we are decendents of the
autor of mishne lamelech
,who was rabbi Yehuda Rosanes >from Turkey.
When i ask him how was it posible that we are
ashkenasim and decendents of
sfardim,he answer that all the Schwartz family come
from spain in the
inquisition time.
I never find out any Rosanes living in hungary but i
found some living in
Poland.
this month i found in the 1715 census 3 Rosanics or
Rozonics living in a
small town near Kismarton(Eisenstadt).can they be
jewish?or it is just a
similar hungarian lastname?.
anyone with the same story?

thanks
Ruben Weiser.
Buenos Aires
Argentina


Re: NEV VALTOZTATASOK - NAME CHANGES - PECS UNIVERSITY #hungary

Robert Neu
 

The system is the same. You go to previous(elozo
oldal) or next (kovetkezo oldal) page, till you get
what you want.

Robert

--- "B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com> wrote:

Viviane,

You point out how to get to the letter "S" but I
need C, Z, L, E, etc. Can
you please tell me how to find the initial page for
the name change database
so I might search for these other letters?

Thanks.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com

At 09:08 AM 6/2/2005, VivianeCK2003@aol.com wrote:
This resource is great - they have an entire
section devoted to name
changes
here I have logged into "S"
http://kt.lib.pte.hu/konyvtar/kt04112203/0_0_2_pg_203.html
It is user friendly - press "elozo oldal" to go
back
press "kovetkezo oldal" to go forward
It is really helpful with genealogy research as *so
many* Hungarian
Jews changed their names.
Viviane Kluska
Canton, MI


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: NEV VALTOZTATASOK - NAME CHANGES - PECS UNIVERSITY #hungary

Robert Neu
 

The system is the same. You go to previous(elozo
oldal) or next (kovetkezo oldal) page, till you get
what you want.

Robert

--- "B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com> wrote:

Viviane,

You point out how to get to the letter "S" but I
need C, Z, L, E, etc. Can
you please tell me how to find the initial page for
the name change database
so I might search for these other letters?

Thanks.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com

At 09:08 AM 6/2/2005, VivianeCK2003@aol.com wrote:
This resource is great - they have an entire
section devoted to name
changes
here I have logged into "S"
http://kt.lib.pte.hu/konyvtar/kt04112203/0_0_2_pg_203.html
It is user friendly - press "elozo oldal" to go
back
press "kovetkezo oldal" to go forward
It is really helpful with genealogy research as *so
many* Hungarian
Jews changed their names.
Viviane Kluska
Canton, MI


Bohemia-1793 Census of the Jews #austria-czech

Gabriela Svatos
 

Here is a listing of the 1793 census books which have been published to date
by the archive in Prague:

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 1- Loketsky Kraj,
Bolesavsky Kraj, Budejovicky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2003.
Soft Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 2- Kourinsky Kraj,
Bydzovsky Kraj, Litomericky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2003. Soft
Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 3- Prachensky Kraj,
Berounsky Kraj, Taborsky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2003. Soft
Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 4- Chrudimsky Kraj,
Plzensky Kraj, Zatecky Kraj, Hradecky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv,
2004. Soft Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 5- Caslavsky Kraj,
Klatovsky Kraj, Rakovnicky Kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2005. Soft
Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Regards,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Bohemia-1793 Census of the Jews #austria-czech

Gabriela Svatos
 

Here is a listing of the 1793 census books which have been published to date
by the archive in Prague:

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 1- Loketsky Kraj,
Bolesavsky Kraj, Budejovicky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2003.
Soft Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 2- Kourinsky Kraj,
Bydzovsky Kraj, Litomericky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2003. Soft
Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 3- Prachensky Kraj,
Berounsky Kraj, Taborsky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2003. Soft
Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 4- Chrudimsky Kraj,
Plzensky Kraj, Zatecky Kraj, Hradecky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv,
2004. Soft Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 5- Caslavsky Kraj,
Klatovsky Kraj, Rakovnicky Kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2005. Soft
Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Regards,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario


RINDL- a photographer in Berlin??? #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Jacob RINDL (1853-1937) who was born in Engleswald in Austria emigrated to King
Williams Town (South Africa) in 1880 where he and his brother-in-law,
my great grandfather Franz GINSBERG, set up a photography studio.

I think that Jacob RINDL might have had a photography business, or have been a
professional photographer, in Berlin prior to emigrating - is there any way I can
check whether this was the case?

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


German SIG #Germany RINDL- a photographer in Berlin??? #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Jacob RINDL (1853-1937) who was born in Engleswald in Austria emigrated to King
Williams Town (South Africa) in 1880 where he and his brother-in-law,
my great grandfather Franz GINSBERG, set up a photography studio.

I think that Jacob RINDL might have had a photography business, or have been a
professional photographer, in Berlin prior to emigrating - is there any way I can
check whether this was the case?

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


INTRO - Seeking STRICKER #germany

VivianeCK2003@...
 

Hello Fellow Genners:
I have just joined German Gen. I have been a member of the Jewish Gen -
specifically of Hungarian Gen. I have also joined Austria-Czech Gen and
Roumanian Gen. The reason is that my Grandfather's name was Jacob STRICKER and
he was born in Beled, Hungary in 1881. However, most Hungarian Jews chose a
Hungarian name for their families - this name change appeared to be possible
earlier than 1860. The name STRICKER is overwhelmingly German. There are a lot
of STRICKERs in North America, especially in Wisconsin! There are a lot of
STRICKERof Swiss origin. So I am joining German Gen on the possibility that
I can find the family lineage.

My genealogy interest and experience is new. I have be dealing with computers
since 1984. I do not know any German unfortunately. Many of the Hungarian
records are in German. My German connection other than this was that my father
worked in Dresden until 1933 until he was forced to leave.

Viviane Kluska Canton, MI VivianeCK2003@aol.com


German SIG #Germany INTRO - Seeking STRICKER #germany

VivianeCK2003@...
 

Hello Fellow Genners:
I have just joined German Gen. I have been a member of the Jewish Gen -
specifically of Hungarian Gen. I have also joined Austria-Czech Gen and
Roumanian Gen. The reason is that my Grandfather's name was Jacob STRICKER and
he was born in Beled, Hungary in 1881. However, most Hungarian Jews chose a
Hungarian name for their families - this name change appeared to be possible
earlier than 1860. The name STRICKER is overwhelmingly German. There are a lot
of STRICKERs in North America, especially in Wisconsin! There are a lot of
STRICKERof Swiss origin. So I am joining German Gen on the possibility that
I can find the family lineage.

My genealogy interest and experience is new. I have be dealing with computers
since 1984. I do not know any German unfortunately. Many of the Hungarian
records are in German. My German connection other than this was that my father
worked in Dresden until 1933 until he was forced to leave.

Viviane Kluska Canton, MI VivianeCK2003@aol.com