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Re: Search Engine for finding people in the USA #general

Thia Persoff
 

Shalom Richard and group,

First I want to thank Richard for sharing the information.
Second, I want to tell all of you that I have checked the search site for
members of my family. I found it and discovered quite a few mistakes,
misinformation, and wrong photos attached to people.
So beware!

Thia Persoff
Cambria, California.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard" < birdpop@... >
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" < jewishgen@... >
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:18 PM
Subject: Search Engine for finding people in the USA

I have just found the following search site.

http://www.zabasearch.com/
In my opinion it gives to much information that should not be on line, but
it may assist some in trying to find family in the USA.

Richard Wenig
Show Low, Arizona


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Search Engine for finding people in the USA #general

Thia Persoff
 

Shalom Richard and group,

First I want to thank Richard for sharing the information.
Second, I want to tell all of you that I have checked the search site for
members of my family. I found it and discovered quite a few mistakes,
misinformation, and wrong photos attached to people.
So beware!

Thia Persoff
Cambria, California.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard" < birdpop@... >
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" < jewishgen@... >
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:18 PM
Subject: Search Engine for finding people in the USA

I have just found the following search site.

http://www.zabasearch.com/
In my opinion it gives to much information that should not be on line, but
it may assist some in trying to find family in the USA.

Richard Wenig
Show Low, Arizona


Re: Search Engine for finding people in the USA #general

Elise
 

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:15:17 UTC, birdpop@... (Richard) opined:
I have just found the following search site.
http://www.zabasearch.com/
In my opinion it gives to much information that should not be on line
And then Stan Goodman responded:
Actually, the only thing it seems to give that one cannot find in any number
of online telephone directories is the time at which the given person was at
the address shown.
Those dates are actually dates of birth. Also, some former addresses are
often listed for each individual -- you won't get this >from a standard phone
directory.

A similar online database is available through a popular commercial
genealogy company. It has an added feature -- it often shows the names and
ages of others who live at the same address. It's a separate and not
inexpensive subscription, but I choose to subscribe because I have found
this type of database to be highly effective for locating and contacting
living distant cousins who I've been unable to locate by any other means.

Elise Friedman
Baltimore, Maryland

KMIOTEK/FRIEDMAN/LEWIS, SCHENDEROWITZ, EMBER (Makow Maz./Przasnysz, Poland);
EISNER, TAUB, WAHRHAFTIG, TUNIS (Myszkowice/Tarnopol, Ukraine);
MILLER/MEHLER, TAUB (Byblo/Staryy Sambor/Nizankowice/Dobromil, Ukraine);
PALEVSKY, POLLACK, DUBIN, DAITCH, GRUSHEWSKY (Horodetz/Kobryn, Belarus);
LIFSHITZ (Brest-Litovsk, Belarus);
CHESIN, EHUDIN (Mstislavl, Belarus); CHERNOCK, EPSTEIN (Novozybkov, Russia)


Kalman GARBER #rabbinic

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

I am looking for a Kalman GARBER that would have a
daughter Reizel born around 1850. He could have been a
Rabbi and possibly lived near Mariampol or Keidan.

Yehudah ben Shlomo
Fort Worth, Texas


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Search Engine for finding people in the USA #general

Elise
 

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:15:17 UTC, birdpop@... (Richard) opined:
I have just found the following search site.
http://www.zabasearch.com/
In my opinion it gives to much information that should not be on line
And then Stan Goodman responded:
Actually, the only thing it seems to give that one cannot find in any number
of online telephone directories is the time at which the given person was at
the address shown.
Those dates are actually dates of birth. Also, some former addresses are
often listed for each individual -- you won't get this >from a standard phone
directory.

A similar online database is available through a popular commercial
genealogy company. It has an added feature -- it often shows the names and
ages of others who live at the same address. It's a separate and not
inexpensive subscription, but I choose to subscribe because I have found
this type of database to be highly effective for locating and contacting
living distant cousins who I've been unable to locate by any other means.

Elise Friedman
Baltimore, Maryland

KMIOTEK/FRIEDMAN/LEWIS, SCHENDEROWITZ, EMBER (Makow Maz./Przasnysz, Poland);
EISNER, TAUB, WAHRHAFTIG, TUNIS (Myszkowice/Tarnopol, Ukraine);
MILLER/MEHLER, TAUB (Byblo/Staryy Sambor/Nizankowice/Dobromil, Ukraine);
PALEVSKY, POLLACK, DUBIN, DAITCH, GRUSHEWSKY (Horodetz/Kobryn, Belarus);
LIFSHITZ (Brest-Litovsk, Belarus);
CHESIN, EHUDIN (Mstislavl, Belarus); CHERNOCK, EPSTEIN (Novozybkov, Russia)


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Kalman GARBER #rabbinic

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

I am looking for a Kalman GARBER that would have a
daughter Reizel born around 1850. He could have been a
Rabbi and possibly lived near Mariampol or Keidan.

Yehudah ben Shlomo
Fort Worth, Texas


LEVELLIER #france

William R. Alschuler <walschulr@...>
 

Dear Ms. Jermyn:

You might try going to Infobel.com, click on France, and then on the next
screen click on "pages blanches," the France Telecom white pages. You will
get a screen that asks for name and location. You will need the city and
departement and or zip code. There are button guides on the screen to help,
or a good map >from Michelen will do it. There are no guaranties, of course,
but I would start in Paris, based on your info. If they married, then it
will be tough. I did a name search once in every departement in France
without much difficulty.

Yours,

Bill Alschuler


MODERATOR NOTE: Please remember to include your place of
residence in all notes. Thank You!


French SIG #France LEVELLIER #france

William R. Alschuler <walschulr@...>
 

Dear Ms. Jermyn:

You might try going to Infobel.com, click on France, and then on the next
screen click on "pages blanches," the France Telecom white pages. You will
get a screen that asks for name and location. You will need the city and
departement and or zip code. There are button guides on the screen to help,
or a good map >from Michelen will do it. There are no guaranties, of course,
but I would start in Paris, based on your info. If they married, then it
will be tough. I did a name search once in every departement in France
without much difficulty.

Yours,

Bill Alschuler


MODERATOR NOTE: Please remember to include your place of
residence in all notes. Thank You!


Kalman Garber #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

I am looking for a Kalman GARBER that would have a
daughter Reizel born around 1850. He could have been a
Rabbi and possibly lived near Mariampol or Keidan.

Yehudah ben Shlomo
Fort Worth, Texas

MODERATOR NOTE: One of JewishGen's most heavily visited sites is the
JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) and family connections are being made more
and more frequently. If you have not already done so, please log
onto www.jewishgen.org/jgff and using the ENTER/MODIFY procedure enter
and register all the surnames of interest to your family research. As you
learn about more names and places of origin, they can always be added, but
only **you** can keep your own listings up to date


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kalman Garber #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

I am looking for a Kalman GARBER that would have a
daughter Reizel born around 1850. He could have been a
Rabbi and possibly lived near Mariampol or Keidan.

Yehudah ben Shlomo
Fort Worth, Texas

MODERATOR NOTE: One of JewishGen's most heavily visited sites is the
JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) and family connections are being made more
and more frequently. If you have not already done so, please log
onto www.jewishgen.org/jgff and using the ENTER/MODIFY procedure enter
and register all the surnames of interest to your family research. As you
learn about more names and places of origin, they can always be added, but
only **you** can keep your own listings up to date


Jewiish traditions in Italy #germany

MBernet@...
 

In some recent postings I had mentioned the fact that Ashkenazi customs and
ritual predominated in Northern Italy. A number of people have written to
ask me about the various rituals/customs in Italy

This is far >from a field of expertise for me, but I've learned in recent years
that:
1. the Kalonymos family >from Italy laid the basis of Judaism in what was
then Ashkenaz, on the Yerushalmi (Palestinnian) tradition that was then current
in Italy
2. the basic tradition in Italy, dating to the first two centuries BCE was
known as Romani and was the same tradition as then (and for many centuries
later) was common in Greece
3. the Sephardi ritual came to Italy after 1492
4. Northern Italy preserved the Ashkenazi ritual (and was home to many
Ashkenazi rabbis and scholars) into the 19th century
5. Piedmont had its own traditions based on the Provencal.

That's about all I know. There are many sources on the history and culture
of Italian Jewry, such as Jewish encyclopedias and googling, which would
provide more comprehensive information

Michael Bernet, New York

MOD NOTE: Knowing that Jews in a given place at a given time followed Ashkenazi
ritual and traditions rather than Sephardi can be helpful in genealogy research.
For example, Sephardi Jews often named children after living relatives. This
usually not done in places observing Ashkenazi traditions.

Discussion of how such traditional differences can be used to help family research
is appropriate for this Forum. Debate about Mr. Bernet's historical points
must be conducted off-list. Mr. Bernet will later post any important corrections
or additons. MOD1


German SIG #Germany Jewiish traditions in Italy #germany

MBernet@...
 

In some recent postings I had mentioned the fact that Ashkenazi customs and
ritual predominated in Northern Italy. A number of people have written to
ask me about the various rituals/customs in Italy

This is far >from a field of expertise for me, but I've learned in recent years
that:
1. the Kalonymos family >from Italy laid the basis of Judaism in what was
then Ashkenaz, on the Yerushalmi (Palestinnian) tradition that was then current
in Italy
2. the basic tradition in Italy, dating to the first two centuries BCE was
known as Romani and was the same tradition as then (and for many centuries
later) was common in Greece
3. the Sephardi ritual came to Italy after 1492
4. Northern Italy preserved the Ashkenazi ritual (and was home to many
Ashkenazi rabbis and scholars) into the 19th century
5. Piedmont had its own traditions based on the Provencal.

That's about all I know. There are many sources on the history and culture
of Italian Jewry, such as Jewish encyclopedias and googling, which would
provide more comprehensive information

Michael Bernet, New York

MOD NOTE: Knowing that Jews in a given place at a given time followed Ashkenazi
ritual and traditions rather than Sephardi can be helpful in genealogy research.
For example, Sephardi Jews often named children after living relatives. This
usually not done in places observing Ashkenazi traditions.

Discussion of how such traditional differences can be used to help family research
is appropriate for this Forum. Debate about Mr. Bernet's historical points
must be conducted off-list. Mr. Bernet will later post any important corrections
or additons. MOD1


Wambach, Germany and ROTHSCHILD #germany

Debbie Raff
 

I just received a message >from a cyber-friend, who is trying to find out
more about researching an ancestor.

It appears that this person emigrated >from Europe quite early, and she is
uncertain of the sources that may be available to her to continue her search
into Europe. She is not Jewish, so, wrote asking me for help.

I am more familiar with the general resources and more specificially
researching in Poland. I did check for the town she mentioned in "The
Encyclopedia of Jewish Life Before and During the Holocaust". I was unable
to find the town of Wambach mentioned.

I, also, searched on the Family Finder for people, who were researching
ROTHSCHILD, but none are researching the surname for the town of Wambach.

I tried a search of "Wambach" on the JewishGen site, but the few hits I
received were not associated with a town in Germany.

So, if any of you are familiar with this town, or perhaps, an alternate name
used by the Jewish residents that would be helpful. Or, perhaps you can
guide me as to how we could approach her search. I have included her
message to me below.

MODERATOR NOTE: We usually do not post messages >from non-members since anyone
can join GerSIG and post his own inquiries. In this case our member and the
non-member are working together. Also, I found the non-member's letter (below)
interesting. For example: "The synagogue was burned so I doubt that there are any
records to be researched" Ms. Raff might direct her friend to the GerSIG
Website where the advice below *** appears on our home page. MOD1

"I've got a genealogy question for you. I have a line that goes back to
Wambach, Bavaria (Germany). >from a handwritten genealogy, I have a Samuel
ROTHSCHILD who was born in 1805 and migrated to New York 1839. I think it
is unlikely that I can go any further back. I'm not even sure there were
surnames before 1805.

If they had been Catholic, I think there might be a chance, but seeing as how
they were Jewish and the synagogue in that area was destroyed. I doubt that there
are any records to be researched. I had always been of the impression that they
fled because of relgious prosecution and the family had converted to
Presbyterianism. This was true until about a year ago, when I got in touch with
a woman who was descended >from the oldest brother and that line had remained
Jewish." Please, respond privately. Thanks in advance, <seraph@...>

Debbie Raff (town????) California <seraph@...>

***Germans were great record-keepers, and the information about Jews and their
communities go back many hundreds of years. Furthermore, since the Holocaust,
many non-Jewish Germans have been motivated to assemble, organize and report on
the Jewish history and genealogy of their communities. There is a wealth of
information available to German Jewish genealogists; the challenge is where to
find it. From: http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/


German SIG #Germany Wambach, Germany and ROTHSCHILD #germany

Debbie Raff
 

I just received a message >from a cyber-friend, who is trying to find out
more about researching an ancestor.

It appears that this person emigrated >from Europe quite early, and she is
uncertain of the sources that may be available to her to continue her search
into Europe. She is not Jewish, so, wrote asking me for help.

I am more familiar with the general resources and more specificially
researching in Poland. I did check for the town she mentioned in "The
Encyclopedia of Jewish Life Before and During the Holocaust". I was unable
to find the town of Wambach mentioned.

I, also, searched on the Family Finder for people, who were researching
ROTHSCHILD, but none are researching the surname for the town of Wambach.

I tried a search of "Wambach" on the JewishGen site, but the few hits I
received were not associated with a town in Germany.

So, if any of you are familiar with this town, or perhaps, an alternate name
used by the Jewish residents that would be helpful. Or, perhaps you can
guide me as to how we could approach her search. I have included her
message to me below.

MODERATOR NOTE: We usually do not post messages >from non-members since anyone
can join GerSIG and post his own inquiries. In this case our member and the
non-member are working together. Also, I found the non-member's letter (below)
interesting. For example: "The synagogue was burned so I doubt that there are any
records to be researched" Ms. Raff might direct her friend to the GerSIG
Website where the advice below *** appears on our home page. MOD1

"I've got a genealogy question for you. I have a line that goes back to
Wambach, Bavaria (Germany). >from a handwritten genealogy, I have a Samuel
ROTHSCHILD who was born in 1805 and migrated to New York 1839. I think it
is unlikely that I can go any further back. I'm not even sure there were
surnames before 1805.

If they had been Catholic, I think there might be a chance, but seeing as how
they were Jewish and the synagogue in that area was destroyed. I doubt that there
are any records to be researched. I had always been of the impression that they
fled because of relgious prosecution and the family had converted to
Presbyterianism. This was true until about a year ago, when I got in touch with
a woman who was descended >from the oldest brother and that line had remained
Jewish." Please, respond privately. Thanks in advance, <seraph@...>

Debbie Raff (town????) California <seraph@...>

***Germans were great record-keepers, and the information about Jews and their
communities go back many hundreds of years. Furthermore, since the Holocaust,
many non-Jewish Germans have been motivated to assemble, organize and report on
the Jewish history and genealogy of their communities. There is a wealth of
information available to German Jewish genealogists; the challenge is where to
find it. From: http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/


Re: INTRO - Seeking BEHR - Bavaria > NY 19th Century #germany

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/22/2005 smithpl.pmprops@... writes:

< My primary research goal is to find out the ancestors of my 2 Great
Grandfather, Lewis BEHR who was my maternal Grandmother`s paternal Grandfather.
He was b. in Bavaria in 1837 and married Lena Unknown, b.1840, Bavaria. >

==Bavaria was a BIG place and had nearly half the Jews of Germany at that
time. Can you be more specific please? "Lewis" is likely to have been Loeb,
with a Hebrew name Arjeh or Jehuda / Judas. Or it Could have been Levi or Laeser
(Elazar, Elieser, Lazarus)

==The New York area is also a huge place and was home to half of all
American Jews. Behr (Ber, Baer, Bear) was one of the most popular Jewish surnames
in Germany--apparently the origin also of my own surname.

Perhaps someone can help you with exploring back >from the American end.

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@...


German SIG #Germany Re: INTRO - Seeking BEHR - Bavaria > NY 19th Century #germany

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/22/2005 smithpl.pmprops@... writes:

< My primary research goal is to find out the ancestors of my 2 Great
Grandfather, Lewis BEHR who was my maternal Grandmother`s paternal Grandfather.
He was b. in Bavaria in 1837 and married Lena Unknown, b.1840, Bavaria. >

==Bavaria was a BIG place and had nearly half the Jews of Germany at that
time. Can you be more specific please? "Lewis" is likely to have been Loeb,
with a Hebrew name Arjeh or Jehuda / Judas. Or it Could have been Levi or Laeser
(Elazar, Elieser, Lazarus)

==The New York area is also a huge place and was home to half of all
American Jews. Behr (Ber, Baer, Bear) was one of the most popular Jewish surnames
in Germany--apparently the origin also of my own surname.

Perhaps someone can help you with exploring back >from the American end.

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@...


Seek Business Directories (for a town now in Poland) #germany

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@...>
 

Fellow researchers,

Can anyone advise me on how to obtain or get access to information regarding
business in the early 1900's in Germany?

My specific interest is in the town of Unruhstadt (now Kargowa in Poland)
between about 1900 and 1930. I have anecdotal information that my g
grandfather Josef KAISER owned a factory in this town, however, I can find
no evidence to support this.

So if anyone can advise if Business Diractories exist and how I could access
them I would appreciate it. Regards

Geoff Kaiser - Melbourne, Australia

Unruhstadt, Ostrowo, Neuberin, Breslau
KAISER, PACH, UCKO, ROSENBAUM, WOLFF, NEULANDER, TWORAGER


German SIG #Germany Seek Business Directories (for a town now in Poland) #germany

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@...>
 

Fellow researchers,

Can anyone advise me on how to obtain or get access to information regarding
business in the early 1900's in Germany?

My specific interest is in the town of Unruhstadt (now Kargowa in Poland)
between about 1900 and 1930. I have anecdotal information that my g
grandfather Josef KAISER owned a factory in this town, however, I can find
no evidence to support this.

So if anyone can advise if Business Diractories exist and how I could access
them I would appreciate it. Regards

Geoff Kaiser - Melbourne, Australia

Unruhstadt, Ostrowo, Neuberin, Breslau
KAISER, PACH, UCKO, ROSENBAUM, WOLFF, NEULANDER, TWORAGER


Thank you and more trip questions #hungary

JGyori@...
 

Dear Genners,
First of all, I want to thank everyone for all your generous answers and
suggestions concerning my trip to Hungary.
I think I have a few great ideas now about reading Hebrew headstones and
visiting some of the smaller towns. And I think I may even have found a new
cousin or two!!

So more questions, what are your suggestions for trips to Vienna and Prague
from Budapest? We'd go by train but how many days to do the tourist bit? I
don't really think I have relatives >from either location, so we'd really just
want to see the main sights. What are the major Jewish areas and museums that
others have enjoyed? I'd be happy to do a bit of look up if someone has a
simple assignment...but we won't have more than a 2 or 3 days in each city.

I know this is a bit off topic, but since for so many of us, travel to the
"old country" is a goal, I hope the moderators allow it.I need all the help I
can to make this a successful trip!

Thanks again and I look forward to more expert advice >from the
better-travelled!
(I have travelled a good bit of the USA but not much in Europe!)

Happy Adar and Purim,

Moderator: Please respond to Judy directly unless you have info related to shtetl trips within H-SIG's area of interest.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Thank you and more trip questions #hungary

JGyori@...
 

Dear Genners,
First of all, I want to thank everyone for all your generous answers and
suggestions concerning my trip to Hungary.
I think I have a few great ideas now about reading Hebrew headstones and
visiting some of the smaller towns. And I think I may even have found a new
cousin or two!!

So more questions, what are your suggestions for trips to Vienna and Prague
from Budapest? We'd go by train but how many days to do the tourist bit? I
don't really think I have relatives >from either location, so we'd really just
want to see the main sights. What are the major Jewish areas and museums that
others have enjoyed? I'd be happy to do a bit of look up if someone has a
simple assignment...but we won't have more than a 2 or 3 days in each city.

I know this is a bit off topic, but since for so many of us, travel to the
"old country" is a goal, I hope the moderators allow it.I need all the help I
can to make this a successful trip!

Thanks again and I look forward to more expert advice >from the
better-travelled!
(I have travelled a good bit of the USA but not much in Europe!)

Happy Adar and Purim,

Moderator: Please respond to Judy directly unless you have info related to shtetl trips within H-SIG's area of interest.