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Seeking Guide for Travel in Slovakia #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I'm going to be visiting Slovakia in August and am looking for a
Slovak-speaking translator /driver to help with work at archives and
visits to cemeteries in Michalovce, Sobrance, and surrounding
communities. Please contact me off-list for details.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


1910 Hungarian Census #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Has anyone come across records >from the 1910 Hungarian Census. It
hasn't been filmed by the FHL and I haven't been able to find any
references in the Hungarian State Archives catalogue. Is there a
100-year restriction on release of information?

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Seeking Guide for Travel in Slovakia #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I'm going to be visiting Slovakia in August and am looking for a
Slovak-speaking translator /driver to help with work at archives and
visits to cemeteries in Michalovce, Sobrance, and surrounding
communities. Please contact me off-list for details.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1910 Hungarian Census #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Has anyone come across records >from the 1910 Hungarian Census. It
hasn't been filmed by the FHL and I haven't been able to find any
references in the Hungarian State Archives catalogue. Is there a
100-year restriction on release of information?

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


Nagyvarad Book #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

This message >from Alex Miller <alex.miller@juno.com> is being reposted
because the specific title was omitted >from the list of H-SIG digest
titles. Please contact Alex off-list if you have questions.

Subject: Nagyvarad Book

From: alex p miller <alex.miller@juno.com>
> >Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:14:59 -0400
> >X-Message-Number: 5
> >
> >Here are some general interest extracts >from the Varadi Zsidosag
> >tortenrte, by Lakos Lajos, 1912
> >
> >1-Bihar interest:
> >The main anti Turkish campaigns took place between 1662-1692. In
> the
> >processed all county documents perished. The first county docs date
> from
> >1713 and the first Jewish presence is >from 1722
> >
> >2-Jewish Movements interest:
> >The first Jewish itinerants in Varad came >from Pozsony and
> Esztergom,
> >likely riding on the coattails of the Hapsburg establishment. In
> 1723 a
> >very rich Lazar Simon came to Varad.
> >
> >>from 1757 the municipal authorities in Varad issued settlement
> permits
> >for the Jews. In 1852 the Jewish community in Varad filed a
> complaint
> >with the city that it doesn't enforce the settlement permit rule
> and it
> >doesn't ask for the approval of the Jewish authorities to issue
> permits.
> >Also there is mention of occupational permits required to practice
> a
> >trade in the city.
> >
> >In 1798 Royal edict #767 stipulated that Jews relocating without
> a
> >permit("passzus") will be returned forcibly to their former place
> of
> >residence. This may explain the expulsion of the Jews >from SA
> Ujhely in
> >1807.
> >
> >I wonder if there is a trace of all these permits anywhere?
> >
> >3-Naming patterns interest(for the 'last-name' enthusiasts:
> >Between 1722 and 1770 these are names mentioned in the book
> >1722-25
> >Hersl Spiro
> >Aron Puliczer
> >Abraham Flesh
> >Martinus Krausz
> >A. Silberpfanz
> >1750
> >Ignatz Sax
> >M. Grosz
> >Abr. Preisz
> >David Neuman
> >Ignatz Nuss
> >Roza Robitsek
> >Samuel Brod
> >1770
> >Doni Jakubovits >from Dukla
> >Samuel Jakubovits >from Dukla
> >1782
> >David Geczli
> >Aron Manzes
> >Abraham Gottheim
> >Josef Vallerstein
> >Samuel Schwarcz
> >Jakab Spitzli
> >Josef Reit
> >Jakab Krader
> >Janos Veisz
> >Hersl Liebman
> >
> >I guess these folks weren't lined up in the town square waiting for
> who
> >is going to end up being Roth or Klein!
> >
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
> >alex.miller@ juno.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Nagyvarad Book #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

This message >from Alex Miller <alex.miller@juno.com> is being reposted
because the specific title was omitted >from the list of H-SIG digest
titles. Please contact Alex off-list if you have questions.

Subject: Nagyvarad Book

From: alex p miller <alex.miller@juno.com>
> >Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:14:59 -0400
> >X-Message-Number: 5
> >
> >Here are some general interest extracts >from the Varadi Zsidosag
> >tortenrte, by Lakos Lajos, 1912
> >
> >1-Bihar interest:
> >The main anti Turkish campaigns took place between 1662-1692. In
> the
> >processed all county documents perished. The first county docs date
> from
> >1713 and the first Jewish presence is >from 1722
> >
> >2-Jewish Movements interest:
> >The first Jewish itinerants in Varad came >from Pozsony and
> Esztergom,
> >likely riding on the coattails of the Hapsburg establishment. In
> 1723 a
> >very rich Lazar Simon came to Varad.
> >
> >>from 1757 the municipal authorities in Varad issued settlement
> permits
> >for the Jews. In 1852 the Jewish community in Varad filed a
> complaint
> >with the city that it doesn't enforce the settlement permit rule
> and it
> >doesn't ask for the approval of the Jewish authorities to issue
> permits.
> >Also there is mention of occupational permits required to practice
> a
> >trade in the city.
> >
> >In 1798 Royal edict #767 stipulated that Jews relocating without
> a
> >permit("passzus") will be returned forcibly to their former place
> of
> >residence. This may explain the expulsion of the Jews >from SA
> Ujhely in
> >1807.
> >
> >I wonder if there is a trace of all these permits anywhere?
> >
> >3-Naming patterns interest(for the 'last-name' enthusiasts:
> >Between 1722 and 1770 these are names mentioned in the book
> >1722-25
> >Hersl Spiro
> >Aron Puliczer
> >Abraham Flesh
> >Martinus Krausz
> >A. Silberpfanz
> >1750
> >Ignatz Sax
> >M. Grosz
> >Abr. Preisz
> >David Neuman
> >Ignatz Nuss
> >Roza Robitsek
> >Samuel Brod
> >1770
> >Doni Jakubovits >from Dukla
> >Samuel Jakubovits >from Dukla
> >1782
> >David Geczli
> >Aron Manzes
> >Abraham Gottheim
> >Josef Vallerstein
> >Samuel Schwarcz
> >Jakab Spitzli
> >Josef Reit
> >Jakab Krader
> >Janos Veisz
> >Hersl Liebman
> >
> >I guess these folks weren't lined up in the town square waiting for
> who
> >is going to end up being Roth or Klein!
> >
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
> >alex.miller@ juno.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>


Re: Rabbi Schonfeld of Likev #hungary

Bacskai Sándor <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Touvia Goldstein,

I have checked some books for Rabbi Moshe of Likev (Luko in Hung.,
Lukov in Slov.), but found nothing about his relation. As the Otzar
haRabanim by N. Z. Friedman, Rabbi Moshe was born in 1871, became Rav
of Luko in 1914, and died in 1935 (16 Nisan).
The entries of Luko Jews must be in the records of the
Bartfa/Bardejov/Bartfeld Jewish Community. Maybe try to get some data
from the Presov Archives, Slovakia.
Regards,
Sandor Bacskai

Subject: Re: Re:Schonfeld
From: Touvia Goldstein <teddyg1@netvision.net.il>

Among them the Rav Moshe Shoenfeld, Harav of Likev (Likever Rav) also
in NE
Slovakia. Any link to the Shoenfeld's you are all mentioning???
Rgds,
Touvia Goldstein


translation of New Year's postcard from Yiddish to English #hungary

annsel <annsel@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I need help with a Yiddish translation that I have posted on viewmate,
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html. The file # is VM 6111. =
The
message is >from the back of a New Year's postcard and we know it came =
from
Vilnius >from my husband's great-grandparents. The postcard has a picture =
of
my husband's grandmother as a young girl along with her brother. We =
would
love to know what the message contains. Please respond to me offline. I
thank you in advance for any help you can offer.

Anne Selikov
So Cal


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Rabbi Schonfeld of Likev #hungary

Bacskai Sándor <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Touvia Goldstein,

I have checked some books for Rabbi Moshe of Likev (Luko in Hung.,
Lukov in Slov.), but found nothing about his relation. As the Otzar
haRabanim by N. Z. Friedman, Rabbi Moshe was born in 1871, became Rav
of Luko in 1914, and died in 1935 (16 Nisan).
The entries of Luko Jews must be in the records of the
Bartfa/Bardejov/Bartfeld Jewish Community. Maybe try to get some data
from the Presov Archives, Slovakia.
Regards,
Sandor Bacskai

Subject: Re: Re:Schonfeld
From: Touvia Goldstein <teddyg1@netvision.net.il>

Among them the Rav Moshe Shoenfeld, Harav of Likev (Likever Rav) also
in NE
Slovakia. Any link to the Shoenfeld's you are all mentioning???
Rgds,
Touvia Goldstein


Hungary SIG #Hungary translation of New Year's postcard from Yiddish to English #hungary

annsel <annsel@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I need help with a Yiddish translation that I have posted on viewmate,
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html. The file # is VM 6111. =
The
message is >from the back of a New Year's postcard and we know it came =
from
Vilnius >from my husband's great-grandparents. The postcard has a picture =
of
my husband's grandmother as a young girl along with her brother. We =
would
love to know what the message contains. Please respond to me offline. I
thank you in advance for any help you can offer.

Anne Selikov
So Cal


Dobromil and Jewish Galicia Administration divisions issue #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Dear Galitzyaners,

This post follows our recent discussions initiated by Dennis Baer who is
searching for Dobromil records.

Frankly, I did not pay in the past close attention to the historical
administration divisions of Galicia.

I have voiced previously my private opinion that Austrian based divisions of
Galicia have probably great historical value but they are not useful in the
genealogical research since all Jewish records have been transfered in 1918
by the newly established Poland Governement Registry known as USC (Urzad
Stanu Cywilnego offices in the main town and cities.

Furthemore, when in 1945 Eastern Galicia vital records have been transfered
from Ukraine to AGAD and USC Archives they have been stored in accordance
with Poland 1918 administration divisions.

This became evident when JRI-Poland have started AGAD project. I have been
invited to participate in the initial stages of this project mainly to sort
out and to verify main depository town names and this has provided proof
that genealogical searches for the records have to follow Poland 1918
division.



Lets now go back to the Austrian Administration Divisions of Galicia.

Gesher Galicia website provides map of the Galician Divisions at:
http://www.pgsa.org/galicmap.htm

and also provides list of Divisions at:
http://www.pgsa.org/Inter/galizien.htm

Review and analysis:

By analyzing details of above map and the corresponding list, it appears
that the list and map are not exactly corresponding to each other, most
probably they are related to the different administration divisions times
which have occured in Galicia.

For example:
Map shows main four district: Lubaczow, Radziechow, Zborow and Kopyczynce
but those districts name appear as subbdistricts on the list.

Eastern Galicia have undergone six (6) administration changes during only 33
years period >from 1867 to 1910, in:
1867 (initial division)
1876
1890
1904
1906
1910

During those 33 years, number of districts have fluctuated >from 48 to 52,
but districts names have been reshuffled.

Western Galicia, on the other hand was left alone during this
period.Administration change took place there only once, in 1914, when four
districts: Oswiecim, Podgorze, Przeworsk and Strzyzow have been carved out
from the previous old districts.
Dobromil is shown as the district town first time in 1876, and one should
expect to see records for Dobromil started >from this year.
Problem is that not all administration district towns are coinciding with
the Jewish district towns.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab.


Re: Stropkov #hungary

Bacskai Sándor <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Melody Amsel,

I hope it will help you that the Stropkov-born Salamon Amsel was the
sochet in Senyo and later in Nyirbogdany (both are in Szabolcs County,
Hungary). His wife Hani Schonfeld was born in Mezolaborc.
Their children: Ignatz Amsel (1867 in Senyo), Gizella (1886 in
Nyirbogdany), and Samu (1892 in Nyirbogdany).

I don't know whether Salamon Amsel was related or not to Rabbi Yitzchak
Zvi Amsel of Zborov/Stropkov.

Regards,
Sandor Bacskai
Budapest, Hungary


Subject: Schonfelds of Stropkov
From: Melody Amsel-Arieli <nomietai@yahoo.com>

My great-grandfather, Avraham Chaim Schonfeld, was the leader of the
Stropkov Jewish community
in the late 1800s. Other than this, I know nothing about him, nor
have I seen the name Schonfeld before or after in all my Stropkov
research. However,I do have two slim clues that, hopefully, ring a
bell....

Can anyone help?
Thanks, Melody


Re: Rabbi Schonfeld of Likev #hungary

Bacskai Sándor <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Touvia Goldstein,

I have checked some books for Rabbi Moshe of Likev (Luko in Hung.,
Lukov in Slov.), but found nothing about his relation. As the Otzar
haRabanim by N. Z. Friedman, Rabbi Moshe was born in 1871, became Rav
of Luko in 1914, and died in 1935 (16 Nisan).
The entries of Luko Jews must be in the Bartfa/Bardejov/Bartfeld Jewish
Community. Maybe try to get some data >from the Presov Archives,
Slovakia.

Regards,
Sandor Bacskai

Subject: Re: Re:Schonfeld
From: Touvia Goldstein <teddyg1@netvision.net.il>

Among them the Rav Moshe Shoenfeld, Harav of Likev (Likever Rav) also
in NE
Slovakia. Any link to the Shoenfeld's you are all mentioning???
Rgds,
Touvia Goldstein


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Dobromil and Jewish Galicia Administration divisions issue #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Dear Galitzyaners,

This post follows our recent discussions initiated by Dennis Baer who is
searching for Dobromil records.

Frankly, I did not pay in the past close attention to the historical
administration divisions of Galicia.

I have voiced previously my private opinion that Austrian based divisions of
Galicia have probably great historical value but they are not useful in the
genealogical research since all Jewish records have been transfered in 1918
by the newly established Poland Governement Registry known as USC (Urzad
Stanu Cywilnego offices in the main town and cities.

Furthemore, when in 1945 Eastern Galicia vital records have been transfered
from Ukraine to AGAD and USC Archives they have been stored in accordance
with Poland 1918 administration divisions.

This became evident when JRI-Poland have started AGAD project. I have been
invited to participate in the initial stages of this project mainly to sort
out and to verify main depository town names and this has provided proof
that genealogical searches for the records have to follow Poland 1918
division.



Lets now go back to the Austrian Administration Divisions of Galicia.

Gesher Galicia website provides map of the Galician Divisions at:
http://www.pgsa.org/galicmap.htm

and also provides list of Divisions at:
http://www.pgsa.org/Inter/galizien.htm

Review and analysis:

By analyzing details of above map and the corresponding list, it appears
that the list and map are not exactly corresponding to each other, most
probably they are related to the different administration divisions times
which have occured in Galicia.

For example:
Map shows main four district: Lubaczow, Radziechow, Zborow and Kopyczynce
but those districts name appear as subbdistricts on the list.

Eastern Galicia have undergone six (6) administration changes during only 33
years period >from 1867 to 1910, in:
1867 (initial division)
1876
1890
1904
1906
1910

During those 33 years, number of districts have fluctuated >from 48 to 52,
but districts names have been reshuffled.

Western Galicia, on the other hand was left alone during this
period.Administration change took place there only once, in 1914, when four
districts: Oswiecim, Podgorze, Przeworsk and Strzyzow have been carved out
from the previous old districts.
Dobromil is shown as the district town first time in 1876, and one should
expect to see records for Dobromil started >from this year.
Problem is that not all administration district towns are coinciding with
the Jewish district towns.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Stropkov #hungary

Bacskai Sándor <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Melody Amsel,

I hope it will help you that the Stropkov-born Salamon Amsel was the
sochet in Senyo and later in Nyirbogdany (both are in Szabolcs County,
Hungary). His wife Hani Schonfeld was born in Mezolaborc.
Their children: Ignatz Amsel (1867 in Senyo), Gizella (1886 in
Nyirbogdany), and Samu (1892 in Nyirbogdany).

I don't know whether Salamon Amsel was related or not to Rabbi Yitzchak
Zvi Amsel of Zborov/Stropkov.

Regards,
Sandor Bacskai
Budapest, Hungary


Subject: Schonfelds of Stropkov
From: Melody Amsel-Arieli <nomietai@yahoo.com>

My great-grandfather, Avraham Chaim Schonfeld, was the leader of the
Stropkov Jewish community
in the late 1800s. Other than this, I know nothing about him, nor
have I seen the name Schonfeld before or after in all my Stropkov
research. However,I do have two slim clues that, hopefully, ring a
bell....

Can anyone help?
Thanks, Melody


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Rabbi Schonfeld of Likev #hungary

Bacskai Sándor <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Touvia Goldstein,

I have checked some books for Rabbi Moshe of Likev (Luko in Hung.,
Lukov in Slov.), but found nothing about his relation. As the Otzar
haRabanim by N. Z. Friedman, Rabbi Moshe was born in 1871, became Rav
of Luko in 1914, and died in 1935 (16 Nisan).
The entries of Luko Jews must be in the Bartfa/Bardejov/Bartfeld Jewish
Community. Maybe try to get some data >from the Presov Archives,
Slovakia.

Regards,
Sandor Bacskai

Subject: Re: Re:Schonfeld
From: Touvia Goldstein <teddyg1@netvision.net.il>

Among them the Rav Moshe Shoenfeld, Harav of Likev (Likever Rav) also
in NE
Slovakia. Any link to the Shoenfeld's you are all mentioning???
Rgds,
Touvia Goldstein


"Jewish Families in Galicia" - Conversions #poland

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

I recently received a fascinating file, entitled: &#8220;Judische Familien In
Galizien&#8221; (Jewish Families in Galicia), >from Manfred Daum who works with
&#8220;Galizien German Descendants&#8221; -- a special interest group devoted to family
history research of the German descendants >from the Austrian province of
Galicia. (http://www.galiziengermandescendants.org/)

This document is a compilation of Jewish men, women and entire families,
either born in or residing at some point in Galicia, who converted to
Christianity: Greek or Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Evangelical/Evangelical
Reformed. In some cases these conversions were a results of &#8220;mixed
marriages,&#8221; but in others, entire Jewish families converted. There are
many interrelated families.

Mr. Daum&#8217;s sources were primarily church records >from which he extracted
this information, using parish registers, christening documents, church
marriage and death records, and some personal family notes. The dates of
these events run >from the late 1700s unti 1941, and include a few people
who were murdered in the concentration camps. Detailed occupations are
listed, house numbers, name variations, the maiden names of the women,
movement >from village to village over time, and other personal details.

Towns represented cover all of Galicia, including Kolomea, Lvov, Krakow,
Stanislau, Tarnopol, Tarnow, Drohobycz, Brody, Rzeszow, Stryj, Kamionka
Strumilowa, Tarnow, Brzezany, and then expand to Ukraine, Germany and
other countries where these people eventually settled or had moved from.

Although there are only 72 entries, most listings contain information on
several family members, and the intriguing possibility exists that some
researchers might discover that missing link in a family tree, due to a
conversion long ago.

Although written in German, Mr. Daum has provided a legend&#8212;standard in
European genealogical research--that makes deciphering the contents
somewhat easy to follow once you get the hang of it. Below are some
very loose translations to give you a sampling of the details:

MOSES KAMMERMAN, Jew, died in 1896 in Ugartsbert (Wypucki) House Number
22, married in 1870 to KIDEL KAMMERMAN, Jew, who died in 1914 in
Ugartsberg, buried in Drohobycz,,in 1896. Their daughters:
CHAJE (KAMMERMAN) FLACHS, B. 1875 d. 1914
AMALIE (KAMMERMAN) SOBEL, b. 1878 d. 1910
REGINA (KAMMERMAN) GOLDSTEIN, b. 1880, d. 1910
REBECKA (KAMMERMAN) POLLAK b. 1882

NUSEN SCHEIB, Jew, leasing a pub/restaurant in Josefsberg (Korosnica),
married to LIEBE KESTENBLATT SCHEIB, Jew, and their son, CHAIM SCHEIB, born
1869 in Josefsberg, Jew, converted to Evangelical Reformed Church in 1869.

FAYTISCH (FABIAN) OCHSENHAUER, Jew, Butcher in Kamionka Strumilowa, wife,
SARA (Susanna), Jew, and their daughter, Antonina (Tauba) OCHSENHAUER b.
1799 (first married to Mr. GEIL (KEIL), a Jew, who died in 1820, then
married to JOHANNES BAPTISTA HEIM, Cath., who was a special guard for the
(Hohenzollern) royal family in Kamionka Strumilowa >from 1819-1822. She
converted to Roman Catholicism in 1820.

LEO & BETTI FINKLER, and son, Emanuel, converted to the Lutheran religion,
in Lemberg, Oct. 22, 1867.

EMANUEL FINKLER, Jew, >from Czernovitz, married to DIORRI GOLDENTHAL, born
in Brzezany, in 1849. In 1867 ran a pub in the Lemberg-Czernowitzer Train
Station in Lemberg. Daughter: HEDWIG (Betti) FINKLER b. 1849 in
Czernowitz, baptized in 1867 in Lemberg.

ROSALIA SCHWARZ, Jew, born in Jaroslau, 1824, died in House number 98
in Stryj, converted to Roman Catholicism and baptized in 1847

RACHMIL FLACHS, Jew, died in 1914 in Ugartsberg (Wypucki) House Number 14,
was a cattle salesman in Ugartsberg. Married in 1890 to CHAJE KAMMERMAN,
Jew, born in Ugartsberg in 1875, died in 1914 in House number 14. Children:
ABRAHAM, b. 1890, LAJA, b. 1894- married. GRAF, SCHAINDL, b,1897,
WILHELMINE B. 1898

JOSEF CUZEK, Roman Catholic, b. 1859 in Krakow, married to HELEN MARIANNA
GRUNBERG, Jew, born 1856 in Czrnelica, who was baptized in Lemberg, June 16,
1883.

WILHELM RASCH, Jew, lawyer in Kolomea, married to ADELHEID (PINELES )
RASCH, Jew, and Children: ERNESTINA, b. 1860, ROBERTA, b. 1862, LEONIA, B.
1866, converted to Roman Catholicism in 1880.

SAMUEL ROSENTHAL, Jew, Salesman in Brody, married in 1820 to DEBORAH REIS,
Jew, and their daughter, ERNESTINE ADELE ROSENTHAL (married to Steinsberg)
born in 1820, baptized in Lemberg in 1842.

MORITZ ELIAS ZINNER, Jew, born in 1820 in Stanislau, Scenery Hanger in a
theater in Lemberg, baptized in 1842 in Lemberg.

PHILLIP KOHLI, Lutheran, murdered 1941 in a concentration camp in
Sapiezanka, married to HELEN EHRLICHER KOHLI, Jew, children: EDMUND, SOPHIE,
& CHRSTINE KOHLI. The Notes read: &#8220;Because he didn&#8217;t want to get a divorce
from his Jewish wife.&#8221;
Here is the list of the surnames contained in this file:

BAUER/BERCK/ BERNACKI//BERNSTEIN/BORONSTEIN/CUZEK/DIETRICH/
EHRLICHER/ EICHHOLZ /FINKLER//FISCHER/ FORYBER/FÜRST/FLACHS/FRANK/
/GEIL/GLASER/GOLDENTHAL/GOLDSTEIN/GRAF/GRÜNBERG /GUTTMANN/ GOLDENTHAL
/ HAFER/ HAPERIN/HAUER/HEIM HOLPERING/ HUVEN/ KAMMERMANN KAMMERMANN
/KATZ/ KESTENBLATT/ KLIPPEL, KOHMANN, KOPACZ/ /KOSTICZ/ KÖHLI/
LICHTENSTADT/ LIFSCHÜTZ/LIPINER, LÖWENBERG/ /MAYER MIKULAS/MOLDAUER
/OCHSENHAUER/PASSOWER/PATIN/POLLAK/PINELES/RASCH/RECHEN/REIS
/ROSENBERG/ROSENTHAL/ RUPP/ SACHS/ SANTRUCEK/SAX /SCHEIB/ SCHWARZ
/SCHULMAN/SELVER /SENZER/SOBEL/ SPIEGEL/ SPINDLER/STEINER/STEIN
/STEINSBERG/STERN/STORCH/ UNTERSCHÜTZ/WACHSMANN/WITTLIN/ZADORA/
ZAUSNER/ZIELINSKI/ZINNER.

Although Gesher Galicia hopes to make this information available on their
website at some point in the future, if you are interested in receiving the
30 page PDF file >from me now, please contact me privately. Certainly, this
document shows that details about the Jews of Galicia are present in church
records, and even though these deal solely with conversions they may prove
helpful to a few researchers. If you can provide insights into the nature
or reason for these conversions, or know of personal stories handed down by
families involving conversions, please feel free to share that with the
group.

Thanks to Manfred Daum for so generously agreeing to share the fruits of his
labor with us.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JRI Poland #Poland "Jewish Families in Galicia" - Conversions #poland

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

I recently received a fascinating file, entitled: &#8220;Judische Familien In
Galizien&#8221; (Jewish Families in Galicia), >from Manfred Daum who works with
&#8220;Galizien German Descendants&#8221; -- a special interest group devoted to family
history research of the German descendants >from the Austrian province of
Galicia. (http://www.galiziengermandescendants.org/)

This document is a compilation of Jewish men, women and entire families,
either born in or residing at some point in Galicia, who converted to
Christianity: Greek or Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Evangelical/Evangelical
Reformed. In some cases these conversions were a results of &#8220;mixed
marriages,&#8221; but in others, entire Jewish families converted. There are
many interrelated families.

Mr. Daum&#8217;s sources were primarily church records >from which he extracted
this information, using parish registers, christening documents, church
marriage and death records, and some personal family notes. The dates of
these events run >from the late 1700s unti 1941, and include a few people
who were murdered in the concentration camps. Detailed occupations are
listed, house numbers, name variations, the maiden names of the women,
movement >from village to village over time, and other personal details.

Towns represented cover all of Galicia, including Kolomea, Lvov, Krakow,
Stanislau, Tarnopol, Tarnow, Drohobycz, Brody, Rzeszow, Stryj, Kamionka
Strumilowa, Tarnow, Brzezany, and then expand to Ukraine, Germany and
other countries where these people eventually settled or had moved from.

Although there are only 72 entries, most listings contain information on
several family members, and the intriguing possibility exists that some
researchers might discover that missing link in a family tree, due to a
conversion long ago.

Although written in German, Mr. Daum has provided a legend&#8212;standard in
European genealogical research--that makes deciphering the contents
somewhat easy to follow once you get the hang of it. Below are some
very loose translations to give you a sampling of the details:

MOSES KAMMERMAN, Jew, died in 1896 in Ugartsbert (Wypucki) House Number
22, married in 1870 to KIDEL KAMMERMAN, Jew, who died in 1914 in
Ugartsberg, buried in Drohobycz,,in 1896. Their daughters:
CHAJE (KAMMERMAN) FLACHS, B. 1875 d. 1914
AMALIE (KAMMERMAN) SOBEL, b. 1878 d. 1910
REGINA (KAMMERMAN) GOLDSTEIN, b. 1880, d. 1910
REBECKA (KAMMERMAN) POLLAK b. 1882

NUSEN SCHEIB, Jew, leasing a pub/restaurant in Josefsberg (Korosnica),
married to LIEBE KESTENBLATT SCHEIB, Jew, and their son, CHAIM SCHEIB, born
1869 in Josefsberg, Jew, converted to Evangelical Reformed Church in 1869.

FAYTISCH (FABIAN) OCHSENHAUER, Jew, Butcher in Kamionka Strumilowa, wife,
SARA (Susanna), Jew, and their daughter, Antonina (Tauba) OCHSENHAUER b.
1799 (first married to Mr. GEIL (KEIL), a Jew, who died in 1820, then
married to JOHANNES BAPTISTA HEIM, Cath., who was a special guard for the
(Hohenzollern) royal family in Kamionka Strumilowa >from 1819-1822. She
converted to Roman Catholicism in 1820.

LEO & BETTI FINKLER, and son, Emanuel, converted to the Lutheran religion,
in Lemberg, Oct. 22, 1867.

EMANUEL FINKLER, Jew, >from Czernovitz, married to DIORRI GOLDENTHAL, born
in Brzezany, in 1849. In 1867 ran a pub in the Lemberg-Czernowitzer Train
Station in Lemberg. Daughter: HEDWIG (Betti) FINKLER b. 1849 in
Czernowitz, baptized in 1867 in Lemberg.

ROSALIA SCHWARZ, Jew, born in Jaroslau, 1824, died in House number 98
in Stryj, converted to Roman Catholicism and baptized in 1847

RACHMIL FLACHS, Jew, died in 1914 in Ugartsberg (Wypucki) House Number 14,
was a cattle salesman in Ugartsberg. Married in 1890 to CHAJE KAMMERMAN,
Jew, born in Ugartsberg in 1875, died in 1914 in House number 14. Children:
ABRAHAM, b. 1890, LAJA, b. 1894- married. GRAF, SCHAINDL, b,1897,
WILHELMINE B. 1898

JOSEF CUZEK, Roman Catholic, b. 1859 in Krakow, married to HELEN MARIANNA
GRUNBERG, Jew, born 1856 in Czrnelica, who was baptized in Lemberg, June 16,
1883.

WILHELM RASCH, Jew, lawyer in Kolomea, married to ADELHEID (PINELES )
RASCH, Jew, and Children: ERNESTINA, b. 1860, ROBERTA, b. 1862, LEONIA, B.
1866, converted to Roman Catholicism in 1880.

SAMUEL ROSENTHAL, Jew, Salesman in Brody, married in 1820 to DEBORAH REIS,
Jew, and their daughter, ERNESTINE ADELE ROSENTHAL (married to Steinsberg)
born in 1820, baptized in Lemberg in 1842.

MORITZ ELIAS ZINNER, Jew, born in 1820 in Stanislau, Scenery Hanger in a
theater in Lemberg, baptized in 1842 in Lemberg.

PHILLIP KOHLI, Lutheran, murdered 1941 in a concentration camp in
Sapiezanka, married to HELEN EHRLICHER KOHLI, Jew, children: EDMUND, SOPHIE,
& CHRSTINE KOHLI. The Notes read: &#8220;Because he didn&#8217;t want to get a divorce
from his Jewish wife.&#8221;
Here is the list of the surnames contained in this file:

BAUER/BERCK/ BERNACKI//BERNSTEIN/BORONSTEIN/CUZEK/DIETRICH/
EHRLICHER/ EICHHOLZ /FINKLER//FISCHER/ FORYBER/FÜRST/FLACHS/FRANK/
/GEIL/GLASER/GOLDENTHAL/GOLDSTEIN/GRAF/GRÜNBERG /GUTTMANN/ GOLDENTHAL
/ HAFER/ HAPERIN/HAUER/HEIM HOLPERING/ HUVEN/ KAMMERMANN KAMMERMANN
/KATZ/ KESTENBLATT/ KLIPPEL, KOHMANN, KOPACZ/ /KOSTICZ/ KÖHLI/
LICHTENSTADT/ LIFSCHÜTZ/LIPINER, LÖWENBERG/ /MAYER MIKULAS/MOLDAUER
/OCHSENHAUER/PASSOWER/PATIN/POLLAK/PINELES/RASCH/RECHEN/REIS
/ROSENBERG/ROSENTHAL/ RUPP/ SACHS/ SANTRUCEK/SAX /SCHEIB/ SCHWARZ
/SCHULMAN/SELVER /SENZER/SOBEL/ SPIEGEL/ SPINDLER/STEINER/STEIN
/STEINSBERG/STERN/STORCH/ UNTERSCHÜTZ/WACHSMANN/WITTLIN/ZADORA/
ZAUSNER/ZIELINSKI/ZINNER.

Although Gesher Galicia hopes to make this information available on their
website at some point in the future, if you are interested in receiving the
30 page PDF file >from me now, please contact me privately. Certainly, this
document shows that details about the Jews of Galicia are present in church
records, and even though these deal solely with conversions they may prove
helpful to a few researchers. If you can provide insights into the nature
or reason for these conversions, or know of personal stories handed down by
families involving conversions, please feel free to share that with the
group.

Thanks to Manfred Daum for so generously agreeing to share the fruits of his
labor with us.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@hotmail.com


The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Dave Schwartz <superdayv@...>
 

Over the years, I have >from time to time answered
requests for information on this forum. In all but
one instance, I never heard back >from the party...not
even a simple thank you.

For example, recently there was a request for help in
finding a cemetery in a city where I was once a
resident. So I knew something about the cemetery in
question. The name had changed and was therefore
hidden >from the searcher. It took me a while, but I
finally found the cemetery and emailed the person with
instructions on how to find it...and heard nothing back.
This has not been a single incident but rather the
rule than the exception. I wonder how many others
have had this experience and like me have vowed never
to respond again?

Dave Schwartz
Wimberley, Texas


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Dave Schwartz <superdayv@...>
 

Over the years, I have >from time to time answered
requests for information on this forum. In all but
one instance, I never heard back >from the party...not
even a simple thank you.

For example, recently there was a request for help in
finding a cemetery in a city where I was once a
resident. So I knew something about the cemetery in
question. The name had changed and was therefore
hidden >from the searcher. It took me a while, but I
finally found the cemetery and emailed the person with
instructions on how to find it...and heard nothing back.
This has not been a single incident but rather the
rule than the exception. I wonder how many others
have had this experience and like me have vowed never
to respond again?

Dave Schwartz
Wimberley, Texas