I would like to give a puff, a fanfare, a pat on the back & a heartfelt
thankyou to those individuals who are responsible for putting the =

SUNDERLAND COMMUNITY online at

http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Community/sunderland.htm

This has been a most enormous effort made possible by

Dr Harold Davis, who kept the records safe when the shul
closed


Beverley Bergman who made the whole thing real by =

transcribing them, even during the illness & death of
her dear husband

John Berman, who placed everything online.

No-one but them can know how enormous a task this
has been, except perhaps me-who tried to do it-and failed.

I am thrilled to salute those 3 brave & diligent souls who
opened up this fantastic resource to us all. Go and enjoy.


Best: Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica

searching: FRANKEL, AMIEL, WIDENBURG

I would like to give a puff, a fanfare, a pat on the back & a heartfelt
thankyou to those individuals who are responsible for putting the =

SUNDERLAND COMMUNITY online at

http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Community/sunderland.htm

This has been a most enormous effort made possible by

Dr Harold Davis, who kept the records safe when the shul
closed


Beverley Bergman who made the whole thing real by =

transcribing them, even during the illness & death of
her dear husband

John Berman, who placed everything online.

No-one but them can know how enormous a task this
has been, except perhaps me-who tried to do it-and failed.

I am thrilled to salute those 3 brave & diligent souls who
opened up this fantastic resource to us all. Go and enjoy.


Best: Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica

searching: FRANKEL, AMIEL, WIDENBURG

Searching for any information on KIRSHBERG (KERZBERG, KERSZBERG) and
FISHLOWITZ families of Warszawa. Shalom (Sol) KIRSHBERG is my grandfather
born (aprox 1905) in Warszawa then moved to Lublin to marry my grandmother
(Shaindle Keller). Shalom was a tailor by trade and comes >from a long line
of Rabbis in Warszawa. Shalom's father's name was Eliezar. His mother's name
was Tova FISHLOWITZ. He had an aunt name Ryfka and a half sister Esther, who
immigrated to Paris. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Searching for any information on KIRSHBERG (KERZBERG, KERSZBERG) and
FISHLOWITZ families of Warszawa. Shalom (Sol) KIRSHBERG is my grandfather
born (aprox 1905) in Warszawa then moved to Lublin to marry my grandmother
(Shaindle Keller). Shalom was a tailor by trade and comes >from a long line
of Rabbis in Warszawa. Shalom's father's name was Eliezar. His mother's name
was Tova FISHLOWITZ. He had an aunt name Ryfka and a half sister Esther, who
immigrated to Paris. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

It's my understanding that Scija is the Polish-Yiddish rendering of the
name Joshua. My husband's great-grandfather, Joshua , whose last
residence before emigrating to the US was Warsaw, is listed as Scija on
the ship manifest.

Jane Berenbeim
NYC

Researching BERENBEIM/BERENBAUM, Kiev gubernia, Ukraine>Winipeg>Denver;
ROSEN, Olviopol or Bogopol, Ukraine>Kishinev>Palestine>NYC &
Australia; GANETSKY, Mogilev>Winipeg>Denver; SCHAPIRO, Kovno
gubernia>Palestine>NYC; REITER, Pogrebische Ukraine>NYC; KLEINER,
Yanov Ukraine>Russia, Israel, US; GURNY changed to GOODNEY, Lodz>NYC;
MALSCHEVITZER/changed to SIEGEL, Proskurov Ukraine>Elizabeth NJ.

I have been told by a researcher that there was a Jonas BLUMENBERG
searching for a "Reich" family in Brooklyn NY in 1946. Jonas Blumenberg
was the name of my grandfather's nephew, Mozes, who we know got to
Israel in the 30s. I don't know where this Jonas originated from, but
what is interesting is that my grandmother's maiden name was "Reiss",
possibly "Reich" in Hungary. I don't see why this man, if there is a
connection, would not have been looking for, instead, the "Eisen"
family, which was the family which married into the Blumenberg line. Of
this is the same Jonas Blumenberg who was the father of my grandfather's
nephew, he was married to Hene Eisen, and might have been searching her
brother, my grandfather, Markus Eisen. Does anyone have any knowledge
of a Jonas Blumenberg at that time, and possibly a Mozes Blumenberg some
time later? The family came >from Tyczyn, Poland. Leslie Weinberg

Searching Eisen, Blumenberg, Iram, Gran, Tyczyn, Poland, Przybyszowka,
Poland, and Nagyvarad, Hungary (Oradea, Romania)
Reiss, November, Eisen, Nagyvarad, Hungary (Oradea, Romania)
Danskoy, Nehzin, Ukraine

It's my understanding that Scija is the Polish-Yiddish rendering of the
name Joshua. My husband's great-grandfather, Joshua , whose last
residence before emigrating to the US was Warsaw, is listed as Scija on
the ship manifest.

Jane Berenbeim
NYC

Researching BERENBEIM/BERENBAUM, Kiev gubernia, Ukraine>Winipeg>Denver;
ROSEN, Olviopol or Bogopol, Ukraine>Kishinev>Palestine>NYC &
Australia; GANETSKY, Mogilev>Winipeg>Denver; SCHAPIRO, Kovno
gubernia>Palestine>NYC; REITER, Pogrebische Ukraine>NYC; KLEINER,
Yanov Ukraine>Russia, Israel, US; GURNY changed to GOODNEY, Lodz>NYC;
MALSCHEVITZER/changed to SIEGEL, Proskurov Ukraine>Elizabeth NJ.

I have been told by a researcher that there was a Jonas BLUMENBERG
searching for a "Reich" family in Brooklyn NY in 1946. Jonas Blumenberg
was the name of my grandfather's nephew, Mozes, who we know got to
Israel in the 30s. I don't know where this Jonas originated from, but
what is interesting is that my grandmother's maiden name was "Reiss",
possibly "Reich" in Hungary. I don't see why this man, if there is a
connection, would not have been looking for, instead, the "Eisen"
family, which was the family which married into the Blumenberg line. Of
this is the same Jonas Blumenberg who was the father of my grandfather's
nephew, he was married to Hene Eisen, and might have been searching her
brother, my grandfather, Markus Eisen. Does anyone have any knowledge
of a Jonas Blumenberg at that time, and possibly a Mozes Blumenberg some
time later? The family came >from Tyczyn, Poland. Leslie Weinberg

Searching Eisen, Blumenberg, Iram, Gran, Tyczyn, Poland, Przybyszowka,
Poland, and Nagyvarad, Hungary (Oradea, Romania)
Reiss, November, Eisen, Nagyvarad, Hungary (Oradea, Romania)
Danskoy, Nehzin, Ukraine

Hello To All:

I am seeking any and all information on this particular hoffman family
that's connected in my family line through marriage. I am particularly
interested to know what happened to the parents and when they died. the
parents are Benjamin HOFFMAN & Bella/Bertha SMILOVITZ. They came to the
states >from romania about the early 1900's. Their daughter Tillie (Born
1893)married Morris Markowitz in manhattan in october of 1912. I
believe I have found the family listed on a 1910 census. It lists
tillie as age 18 which would be about right since she was 20 when she
married. The parents are listed as Benjamin(37), Bertha(37), so they
were born about 1873-74. There is also a brother David, and two sisters
named bessie & sarah listed as well. It states that they came over
about 1905. I also found a 1920 census that lists the wife Bertha who
is widowed and living with her son david, and daughters Beatrice &
Sylvia. Notice the name difference. Bessie could be short for beatrice.
The father benjamin must have died between the years of 1911-1919. I
also found a 1930 census that just lists the son david & two sisters
Beatrice and Sylvia, so I believe the mother died sometime between
1920-1929. If your wondering where the sister Tillie had gone too, I
will tell you. After she got married she then moved to Bridgeport, CT
sometime between 1918-1920. She died in jan/1979. Her obit lists two
surviving non-married sister's named Beatrice & Sylvia Hoffman. I would
like to know what happened to these individuals and their dates of
deaths. If any one out there has any information please contact me.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com

Hello To All:

I am seeking any and all information on this particular hoffman family
that's connected in my family line through marriage. I am particularly
interested to know what happened to the parents and when they died. the
parents are Benjamin HOFFMAN & Bella/Bertha SMILOVITZ. They came to the
states >from romania about the early 1900's. Their daughter Tillie (Born
1893)married Morris Markowitz in manhattan in october of 1912. I
believe I have found the family listed on a 1910 census. It lists
tillie as age 18 which would be about right since she was 20 when she
married. The parents are listed as Benjamin(37), Bertha(37), so they
were born about 1873-74. There is also a brother David, and two sisters
named bessie & sarah listed as well. It states that they came over
about 1905. I also found a 1920 census that lists the wife Bertha who
is widowed and living with her son david, and daughters Beatrice &
Sylvia. Notice the name difference. Bessie could be short for beatrice.
The father benjamin must have died between the years of 1911-1919. I
also found a 1930 census that just lists the son david & two sisters
Beatrice and Sylvia, so I believe the mother died sometime between
1920-1929. If your wondering where the sister Tillie had gone too, I
will tell you. After she got married she then moved to Bridgeport, CT
sometime between 1918-1920. She died in jan/1979. Her obit lists two
surviving non-married sister's named Beatrice & Sylvia Hoffman. I would
like to know what happened to these individuals and their dates of
deaths. If any one out there has any information please contact me.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com

I sent a question in a few weeks back as to why a person, in this case my
great-grandfather who worked for the Postal Service in Lviv, required
permission >from the Post Office to get married. I did not get a firm answer
to this question so I did a web search to try and find out why this
permission was needed.

I found that after the partition of Poland a ruling was passed in lands held
by Austria that a Rabbi could not wed those that did not have permanent
earnings. I would therefore assume that this would hold true in civil
marriages as well since the recorded marriage was several years after the
religious marriage.

Errol Schneegurt LI NY
ESLVIV@AOL.COM

I sent a question in a few weeks back as to why a person, in this case my
great-grandfather who worked for the Postal Service in Lviv, required
permission >from the Post Office to get married. I did not get a firm answer
to this question so I did a web search to try and find out why this
permission was needed.

I found that after the partition of Poland a ruling was passed in lands held
by Austria that a Rabbi could not wed those that did not have permanent
earnings. I would therefore assume that this would hold true in civil
marriages as well since the recorded marriage was several years after the
religious marriage.

Errol Schneegurt LI NY
ESLVIV@AOL.COM

Shalom.

My grand-father was born in 1891 in Tysmieniczany, a little sthetel
now known as Tysmenichany near Ivano-Franskiv and emigrated to France
in the twenties.

His name was Rubin HORN and I know only his mother' name Misie.

I would like to know if someone heard about this sthetel and know
something about my family.

Does somebody know what the name Misie mean?

I know that it's a nickname in Yiddish but no more.

thank you very much.

DOMINIQUE HORN POSLUSHNI
Yavne, in Israel.

Shalom.

My grand-father was born in 1891 in Tysmieniczany, a little sthetel
now known as Tysmenichany near Ivano-Franskiv and emigrated to France
in the twenties.

His name was Rubin HORN and I know only his mother' name Misie.

I would like to know if someone heard about this sthetel and know
something about my family.

Does somebody know what the name Misie mean?

I know that it's a nickname in Yiddish but no more.

thank you very much.

DOMINIQUE HORN POSLUSHNI
Yavne, in Israel.

Dear members,
There are two birth records for my cousins posted on
JewishGen's Viewmate. The numbers are:

#3147 Birth record for Majer KLEPFISZ

and #3150 Birth record for Tauba KLEPFISZ

Both records were posted by my cousin, Sarah Faiga
Lasry. She rec'd brief translations for each (for
which we are most thankful!) indicating the father's
name (Nison KLEPFISZ), the mother's name (translated
as Faiga DUDEL, actual name is Faiga DUDELCZEK) and
the age of both mother and father. I know that birth
records usually also give the date and place of birth
and names of witnesses (and sometimes relationship of
witness to birth parent). Could someone please look
at these and see if you can give us a more detailed
translation? Any help will be most appreciated!

You can respond to me privately at:
cattheater@yahoo.com

Thank you!
Elizabeth Jackson
Murfreesboro TN USA

Dear members,
There are two birth records for my cousins posted on
JewishGen's Viewmate. The numbers are:

#3147 Birth record for Majer KLEPFISZ

and #3150 Birth record for Tauba KLEPFISZ

Both records were posted by my cousin, Sarah Faiga
Lasry. She rec'd brief translations for each (for
which we are most thankful!) indicating the father's
name (Nison KLEPFISZ), the mother's name (translated
as Faiga DUDEL, actual name is Faiga DUDELCZEK) and
the age of both mother and father. I know that birth
records usually also give the date and place of birth
and names of witnesses (and sometimes relationship of
witness to birth parent). Could someone please look
at these and see if you can give us a more detailed
translation? Any help will be most appreciated!

You can respond to me privately at:
cattheater@yahoo.com

Thank you!
Elizabeth Jackson
Murfreesboro TN USA

"Gordon Orr" wrote

I saw on a 1910 map of the Austro-Hungarian Empire a town named Ostrowsky,
approx. 70 km ssw of Kiev, about 5 km west of Belaja Tserkov, which is
apparently the birhplace of my gf Oscar Ostrovsky.
I have not been able to find any other documentation of this town,
including
on Shtetl- seekers.
Does anyone recognise this place ?

Gordon,

1910 Austro-Hungarian Army "clickable" topographic map that you are
referring to is a great research tool which covers large parts of Central
and Eastern Europe:

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm

Details shown of this map are amazing, one can actually count number of
houses located in small villages and towns, view the surrounding elevations
and identify surrounding names of rivers and creeks.

Name Ostrovskij that you see on this map near River Uzien (by clicking on
Quadrant with Kijew name on it) East (not West) >from Belaya Tsekva
identifies town Ostrow district borders - you will notice dotted lines
identifying other district borders and names like:Ostryjski (derived >from
Ostryjki district), and so on.

Thus town you are searching for near Belaya Tserkov (currently known as Bila
Tserkva) is Ostrow (currently known as Ostrov) at coord. 4941 3023, located
22 km ESE >from Belaya Tserkov () and 84 km south of Kiev.

I assume that in your family documents name Ostrovskiy (OStrvwskij)
appears - this identifies Ostrovskij district (known as "Uyezd" or perhaps
even smaller administrative division - "Volost" in Russian) and this led you
to confusion and search for not existing town named Ostrovskiy.

BTW,
Ostrov (Ostrow) , "an island in English", is very popular name amongst many
Slavic localities since in the ancient times Slavs have been erecting their
settlements on the islands surrouded by rivers or and connected them by
bridges to the mainland - this have provided them with the defense positions
against the enemies.

"Your" Ostrov is not exception to this 'rule"- place also was built on the
island surrounded by rivers Ros and Popravka, the contributories to the
mighty Dnepr River.

Ostrovsky is also very popular Slavic surname, eg. Aleksandr Nikolayevich
Ostrovsky was famous classical Russian play (and opera) writer, and Nikolai
Ostrovsky was Soviet era author.

Good luck with your search,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab., Canada

"Gordon Orr" wrote

I saw on a 1910 map of the Austro-Hungarian Empire a town named Ostrowsky,
approx. 70 km ssw of Kiev, about 5 km west of Belaja Tserkov, which is
apparently the birhplace of my gf Oscar Ostrovsky.
I have not been able to find any other documentation of this town,
including
on Shtetl- seekers.
Does anyone recognise this place ?

Gordon,

1910 Austro-Hungarian Army "clickable" topographic map that you are
referring to is a great research tool which covers large parts of Central
and Eastern Europe:

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm

Details shown of this map are amazing, one can actually count number of
houses located in small villages and towns, view the surrounding elevations
and identify surrounding names of rivers and creeks.

Name Ostrovskij that you see on this map near River Uzien (by clicking on
Quadrant with Kijew name on it) East (not West) >from Belaya Tsekva
identifies town Ostrow district borders - you will notice dotted lines
identifying other district borders and names like:Ostryjski (derived >from
Ostryjki district), and so on.

Thus town you are searching for near Belaya Tserkov (currently known as Bila
Tserkva) is Ostrow (currently known as Ostrov) at coord. 4941 3023, located
22 km ESE >from Belaya Tserkov () and 84 km south of Kiev.

I assume that in your family documents name Ostrovskiy (OStrvwskij)
appears - this identifies Ostrovskij district (known as "Uyezd" or perhaps
even smaller administrative division - "Volost" in Russian) and this led you
to confusion and search for not existing town named Ostrovskiy.

BTW,
Ostrov (Ostrow) , "an island in English", is very popular name amongst many
Slavic localities since in the ancient times Slavs have been erecting their
settlements on the islands surrouded by rivers or and connected them by
bridges to the mainland - this have provided them with the defense positions
against the enemies.

"Your" Ostrov is not exception to this 'rule"- place also was built on the
island surrounded by rivers Ros and Popravka, the contributories to the
mighty Dnepr River.

Ostrovsky is also very popular Slavic surname, eg. Aleksandr Nikolayevich
Ostrovsky was famous classical Russian play (and opera) writer, and Nikolai
Ostrovsky was Soviet era author.

Good luck with your search,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab., Canada

I emailed a researcher who *did* email back to let me know he was related
on the side of the family which married into mine, and he had a wealth
of information - birth certificates and other documents >from the town.
I had a lot of information *he* didn't have, such as at least one survivor
who got to Israel. One would think he would have been just as anxious
as I was to put all our knowledge together and possibly find survivors
and fill in family history. After he answered me with two emails, he
stopped responding to my emails, and although I emailed him three times
more, I have heard nothing. I decided *not* to call him, since he
obviously wants to just let this go. Good luck if you decide to give
this researcher a call. Leslie Weinberg

Thanks to all of members who answered my posting.

I got many interesting replies, but known answered the question of who, what
or where became of my ABERBACH or Auerbach (all spellings) family after they
arrived in 1890.

Hopefully an answer may still come.

Steve Pickholtz
Tabernacle, NJ
searching-- PICKHOLTZ (all spellings), WINITSKY (all spellings) and
KLEIN/KLINE (of the Phila JCC family)