Dear JGenners,

On a recent research trip to Vienna I found the siblings of
my grandfather, Max FRENKEL, after many years of wondering if he had
any. I discovered that he had three sisters and one brother. His
sisters names were Leontine QUADRATSTEIN nee FRAENKEL (AE = A with
unlaut), Mindel ENGEL nee FRAENKEL, and Regina FRAENKEL. All three
sisters as well as my grandfather perished in the Holocaust.

Leontine apparently lived for a time in Saarbrucken, Germany.
I do not know if she had any children.

Mindel had a daughter, Augustine, who married Imre OLLOP.
The daughter and her husband also perished in the Holocaust.

Regina did not marry.

Max's brother Uscher FRAENKEL married Feige KUPFERBERG.
Uscher died in Vienna in 1924. The couple had two sons, Siegfried
and Hermann. Hermann married Franziska LACHS and they had a son
Ulrich Wilhelm FRAENKEL. The sons apparently emigrated >from Vienna in
1938 and a residence record in Vienna indicates that Siegfried went
to Belgium.

Does anyone have any information on any of these family members?

Please respond to me privately at tfweiss@mit.edu.

--
Thomas Fischer Weiss
Newton, MA
USA
tfweiss@mit.edu

Researching:
FRENKEL (Buchach, Vienna); BUCHHALTER (Skalat); ENGEL (Vienna)
FISCHER (Hriskov, Schlan, Prague); FRAENKEL, FRUCHTER (Rozhnyatov, Vienna);
KATZ (Schlan); KLEPETAR (Jistebnice); MEISELS (Nadworna, Vienna);
OLLOP (Vienna) ORLIK (Pohor, Jistebnice, Benesov, Tabor)
QUADRATSTEIN (Vienna, Saarbrucken)
VODICKA (Dobronitz, Jistebnice, Benesov, Tabor)

Dear JGenners,

On a recent research trip to Vienna I found the siblings of
my grandfather, Max FRENKEL, after many years of wondering if he had
any. I discovered that he had three sisters and one brother. His
sisters names were Leontine QUADRATSTEIN nee FRAENKEL (AE = A with
unlaut), Mindel ENGEL nee FRAENKEL, and Regina FRAENKEL. All three
sisters as well as my grandfather perished in the Holocaust.

Leontine apparently lived for a time in Saarbrucken, Germany.
I do not know if she had any children.

Mindel had a daughter, Augustine, who married Imre OLLOP.
The daughter and her husband also perished in the Holocaust.

Regina did not marry.

Max's brother Uscher FRAENKEL married Feige KUPFERBERG.
Uscher died in Vienna in 1924. The couple had two sons, Siegfried
and Hermann. Hermann married Franziska LACHS and they had a son
Ulrich Wilhelm FRAENKEL. The sons apparently emigrated >from Vienna in
1938 and a residence record in Vienna indicates that Siegfried went
to Belgium.

Does anyone have any information on any of these family members?

Please respond to me privately at tfweiss@mit.edu.

--
Thomas Fischer Weiss
Newton, MA
USA
tfweiss@mit.edu

Researching:
FRENKEL (Buchach, Vienna); BUCHHALTER (Skalat); ENGEL (Vienna)
FISCHER (Hriskov, Schlan, Prague); FRAENKEL, FRUCHTER (Rozhnyatov, Vienna);
KATZ (Schlan); KLEPETAR (Jistebnice); MEISELS (Nadworna, Vienna);
OLLOP (Vienna) ORLIK (Pohor, Jistebnice, Benesov, Tabor)
QUADRATSTEIN (Vienna, Saarbrucken)
VODICKA (Dobronitz, Jistebnice, Benesov, Tabor)

I saw on a 1910 map of the Austro-Hungarian Empire a town named Ostrowsky,
approx. 70 km ssw of Kiev, about 5 km west of Belaja Tserkov, which is
apparently the birhplace of my gf Oscar Ostrovsky.
I have not been able to find any other documentation of this town, including
on Shtetl- seekers.
Does anyone recognise this place ?

I saw on a 1910 map of the Austro-Hungarian Empire a town named Ostrowsky,
approx. 70 km ssw of Kiev, about 5 km west of Belaja Tserkov, which is
apparently the birhplace of my gf Oscar Ostrovsky.
I have not been able to find any other documentation of this town, including
on Shtetl- seekers.
Does anyone recognise this place ?

On Fri, 6 May 2005 23:04:23 UTC, szome@hotmail.com (steven weiss) opined:

I have phone numbers for two JGFF researchers who have not responded to my
emails and snail mail. Should I call these persons or would that just make
these persons angry? These persons have listed names and towns that bear
relevance to my own search.

What have you got to lose?

from another point of view: If they didn't want to help, they might have

told you that. As it stands, you have no real reason to believe that they
ever saw your letters and messages. Surely you can ask them by telephone if
they are willing to share information with you.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.

On Sat, 7 May 2005 00:46:09 UTC, annrab@bellsouth.net (Ann Rabinowitz)
opined:

This is a fascinating study of a little-known topic which affected many of
our relatives during the Holocaust. It underscores their suffering and
death as a result of the unethical behavior by those who ignored the
Hypocratic Oath and societal codes of ethical behavior.

The spelling error is ironic: Sometimes indeed the Hippocratic Oath is
Hypocritical.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net

--
Message sent VIA Followup and E-Mail --
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.

On Fri, 6 May 2005 23:04:23 UTC, szome@hotmail.com (steven weiss) opined:

I have phone numbers for two JGFF researchers who have not responded to my
emails and snail mail. Should I call these persons or would that just make
these persons angry? These persons have listed names and towns that bear
relevance to my own search.

What have you got to lose?

from another point of view: If they didn't want to help, they might have

told you that. As it stands, you have no real reason to believe that they
ever saw your letters and messages. Surely you can ask them by telephone if
they are willing to share information with you.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.

On Sat, 7 May 2005 00:46:09 UTC, annrab@bellsouth.net (Ann Rabinowitz)
opined:

This is a fascinating study of a little-known topic which affected many of
our relatives during the Holocaust. It underscores their suffering and
death as a result of the unethical behavior by those who ignored the
Hypocratic Oath and societal codes of ethical behavior.

The spelling error is ironic: Sometimes indeed the Hippocratic Oath is
Hypocritical.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net

--
Message sent VIA Followup and E-Mail --
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.

According toe the website of the JGS of Pittsburgh a list of completed
Pittsburgh cemeteries was transferred to JOWBR in February. Torath Chaim
Cemetery was one of those transferred,

How does one access this list? I cannot find it going through the usual way
of searching the JOWBR.

Barbara S. Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

According toe the website of the JGS of Pittsburgh a list of completed
Pittsburgh cemeteries was transferred to JOWBR in February. Torath Chaim
Cemetery was one of those transferred,

How does one access this list? I cannot find it going through the usual way
of searching the JOWBR.

Barbara S. Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

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One of the best sources of genealogical information is available to you
whenever you logon to JewishGen's Sefard Forum.
http://www.jewishgen.org/sefardsig/SefardForum.htm
Here you can exchange information about relatives, books, language, names,
history, migrations, local customs, research techniques and the realities of
researching public records and genealogical data archives.--
--
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bkouchel@jewishgen.org
Sefard Forum, List Manager

"Mark de Meza" <mark.demeza@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:200505042313.ALL34917@C2bthomr06.btconnect.com.

For researchers of Sephardic genealogies- -
One of the best sources of genealogical information is available to you
whenever you logon to JewishGen's Sefard Forum.
http://www.jewishgen.org/sefardsig/SefardForum.htm
Here you can exchange information about relatives, books, language, names,
history, migrations, local customs, research techniques and the realities of
researching public records and genealogical data archives.--
--
Bernard Kouchel
bkouchel@jewishgen.org
Sefard Forum, List Manager

"Mark de Meza" <mark.demeza@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:200505042313.ALL34917@C2bthomr06.btconnect.com.

In reviewing birth records, I have located the first name "Szyja".
Everything else points to the fact that this would be my great grandfather,
but this is a first name I am unfamiliar with at the moment.

My great grandfather was known as "Yehoshua" and "Osias".

I checked the Given Names Database and did find "Schaye/Sheya" that seems to
correlate with "Yehoshua" and "Osias". There is nothing spelled close to
"Szyja" that I could find.

Would I be right to believe that this means that the "Szyja" I found w/ the
correct spouse, etc. could likely be my great grandfather?

Thank you for your time,

Debbie Raff
California

Dear Group:

Does anyone have easy access to the NYC death index, all boroughs
1942-1946 at the Family History Center, microfilm FHL 1324924? I
would be grateful for help on looking up two names.

Many thanks,

Lisa Brahin Weinblatt
Redball62@aol.com

In reviewing birth records, I have located the first name "Szyja".
Everything else points to the fact that this would be my great grandfather,
but this is a first name I am unfamiliar with at the moment.

My great grandfather was known as "Yehoshua" and "Osias".

I checked the Given Names Database and did find "Schaye/Sheya" that seems to
correlate with "Yehoshua" and "Osias". There is nothing spelled close to
"Szyja" that I could find.

Would I be right to believe that this means that the "Szyja" I found w/ the
correct spouse, etc. could likely be my great grandfather?

Thank you for your time,

Debbie Raff
California

Dear Group:

Does anyone have easy access to the NYC death index, all boroughs
1942-1946 at the Family History Center, microfilm FHL 1324924? I
would be grateful for help on looking up two names.

Many thanks,

Lisa Brahin Weinblatt
Redball62@aol.com

I am looking for as much information as possible about the FINDER and WEISER
families living in Grabowo and Nowa Wies Krolewska during the last half of
the 1800's. Specifically, I am looking for the family of Gottlieb Finder
and Suzanna Weiser (Father: Jacob Weiser, Mother: Susana Rieka). I have
learned that these families were definitely living in this area at this
time, but I have been unable to gather any further information >from the
person who gave me this information. I am also curious what Grabowo was
like at this time and if it is still a community today. Thank you.
Tereasa Lenius
Tripoli, IA

I am looking for as much information as possible about the FINDER and WEISER
families living in Grabowo and Nowa Wies Krolewska during the last half of
the 1800's. Specifically, I am looking for the family of Gottlieb Finder
and Suzanna Weiser (Father: Jacob Weiser, Mother: Susana Rieka). I have
learned that these families were definitely living in this area at this
time, but I have been unable to gather any further information >from the
person who gave me this information. I am also curious what Grabowo was
like at this time and if it is still a community today. Thank you.
Tereasa Lenius
Tripoli, IA

Hallo,

Paktu Krow - Nominativ - Pakt krow,
in old Polish language and folks language
it meant :

1 - job of poor shepherd of cows who was
usually hired to carry with cows by several farmers

from the country.

2 - cow's business which consisted in a rent
the good bull to the inseminantion of ladies cows
and the owner of the macho bull arranged a date.

3 -in old Slovian language used to XVIII,
it meant - lending of money

The Polish word - pakt was >from Latina - pactum,
Latino- German - Pacht, Pachter and in English
- pactum.

Regards.
Dorota Targonska

Hallo,

Paktu Krow - Nominativ - Pakt krow,
in old Polish language and folks language
it meant :

1 - job of poor shepherd of cows who was
usually hired to carry with cows by several farmers

from the country.

2 - cow's business which consisted in a rent
the good bull to the inseminantion of ladies cows
and the owner of the macho bull arranged a date.

3 -in old Slovian language used to XVIII,
it meant - lending of money

The Polish word - pakt was >from Latina - pactum,
Latino- German - Pacht, Pachter and in English
- pactum.

Regards.
Dorota Targonska