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Re: Lack of Common Courtesy #general

Debbie Raff
 

I, too, had a mailing experience where I never heard >from the person, again.
In my case I acquired a book through a non-Jewish friend, which had an
entire family tree in it. It was quite an amazing one going back to the
early 1700s, I believe.

Through the JewishGen Family Finder I located a family member. I found out
that a limited number of these books had been published and this person had
a copy. I was given names of those who didn't have one.

I ended up communicating with one of the people, who was thrilled I would
sent it to him in Israel. That is the end of my story. I spent a goodly
sum of money to send the book and never heard back.

My hope is that it arrived safely, which was the goal in the first place.
It would have been nice to have been thanked or an offer of reimbursement
given (I would have declined). I get that good feeling by following through
and don't worry too much about whether someone does the right thing.

On the other hand, I recently asked a question on our group about a first
name. I did not count the private responses that I received, but 30 would
be a conservative estimate. I made certain to respond to each and every
one, and did not form a generic response. Also, I wrote a thank you on the
group just in case I missed someone.

I do try to access whether I should post a question or a photo to translate
now, as there are so many helpful people out there, I find the aftermath to
be overwhelming.

This topic of courtesy seems to come up a couple of times a year. As for my
take on it, if you have knowledge that would be helpful and feel someone can
benefit >from it, but choose not to share due to the lack of a "Thank You"
from someone else earlier, shame on you.
Don't let the discourteous folks out there make you discourteous, also.
Being able to help others is a positive thing both mentally and physically,
I believe, and to allow someone, who has not done the right thing to control
what you do is not the solution.

Thanks to all who have helped me over the years -just in case my "Thank You"
didn't make it to your email box.

Take care,

Debbie Raff
California

HERBACH / BIRNBAUM / BIRENBAUM/ SCHNEIER (Nowy Sacz, Pol and
Lipany,Slovakia) RAFF / SICHERMAN / MEISNER/ KATZ / FISCH / ZWICK / HILLER
(Zmigrod Nowy / Bukowsko / Dukla / Dynow / Korczyna, Pol) ) KORNFELD /
LAWNER / GERMAN / JURMAN / WEITMAN (Husiatyn, Usjad, Woloczysk, Ukr)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Lack of Common Courtesy #general

Debbie Raff
 

I, too, had a mailing experience where I never heard >from the person, again.
In my case I acquired a book through a non-Jewish friend, which had an
entire family tree in it. It was quite an amazing one going back to the
early 1700s, I believe.

Through the JewishGen Family Finder I located a family member. I found out
that a limited number of these books had been published and this person had
a copy. I was given names of those who didn't have one.

I ended up communicating with one of the people, who was thrilled I would
sent it to him in Israel. That is the end of my story. I spent a goodly
sum of money to send the book and never heard back.

My hope is that it arrived safely, which was the goal in the first place.
It would have been nice to have been thanked or an offer of reimbursement
given (I would have declined). I get that good feeling by following through
and don't worry too much about whether someone does the right thing.

On the other hand, I recently asked a question on our group about a first
name. I did not count the private responses that I received, but 30 would
be a conservative estimate. I made certain to respond to each and every
one, and did not form a generic response. Also, I wrote a thank you on the
group just in case I missed someone.

I do try to access whether I should post a question or a photo to translate
now, as there are so many helpful people out there, I find the aftermath to
be overwhelming.

This topic of courtesy seems to come up a couple of times a year. As for my
take on it, if you have knowledge that would be helpful and feel someone can
benefit >from it, but choose not to share due to the lack of a "Thank You"
from someone else earlier, shame on you.
Don't let the discourteous folks out there make you discourteous, also.
Being able to help others is a positive thing both mentally and physically,
I believe, and to allow someone, who has not done the right thing to control
what you do is not the solution.

Thanks to all who have helped me over the years -just in case my "Thank You"
didn't make it to your email box.

Take care,

Debbie Raff
California

HERBACH / BIRNBAUM / BIRENBAUM/ SCHNEIER (Nowy Sacz, Pol and
Lipany,Slovakia) RAFF / SICHERMAN / MEISNER/ KATZ / FISCH / ZWICK / HILLER
(Zmigrod Nowy / Bukowsko / Dukla / Dynow / Korczyna, Pol) ) KORNFELD /
LAWNER / GERMAN / JURMAN / WEITMAN (Husiatyn, Usjad, Woloczysk, Ukr)


Re: Website : Austro-Hungarian Military Records #general

Beverly Shulster <gettingbttr@...>
 

AGloger@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Austro-Hungarian Land Forces 1848-1918. The URL is:

http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/index.htm

The site is very comprehensive. One area has illustrations of insignia found
on the collars of military uniforms and their meanings. The site gives
history of the military and the battles.

" Kriegsarchiv. The Austrian War Archives in Vienna. >
http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/AUT/krainf-e.htm

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio (Cleveland)
agloger@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: If you have not already done so, we strongly
encourage you to post this note in the JewishGen Austria-Czech
SIG list as well.
---
Seems to me this should be posted to Galicia and Hungarian SIGs too.
Lots of Galician and Hungarian Jews served Austria in WWone.

Beverly Shulster
Yehud, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Website : Austro-Hungarian Military Records #general

Beverly Shulster <gettingbttr@...>
 

AGloger@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Austro-Hungarian Land Forces 1848-1918. The URL is:

http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/index.htm

The site is very comprehensive. One area has illustrations of insignia found
on the collars of military uniforms and their meanings. The site gives
history of the military and the battles.

" Kriegsarchiv. The Austrian War Archives in Vienna. >
http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/AUT/krainf-e.htm

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio (Cleveland)
agloger@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: If you have not already done so, we strongly
encourage you to post this note in the JewishGen Austria-Czech
SIG list as well.
---
Seems to me this should be posted to Galicia and Hungarian SIGs too.
Lots of Galician and Hungarian Jews served Austria in WWone.

Beverly Shulster
Yehud, Israel


Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I would like to add my opinion to this. I often write privately to help
people and usually get a response, either a thank you or some other question
or comment. But I don't keep track of who I write to, as I don't do it to
get something back. I was taught when a child to always write a Thank You
note to anyone giving a present, but I found out over the years that
everyone does not do this, and I don't expect everyone to have the same
manners.

The same way I don't give a present to 'get' something. If somebody is a
friend and I give the person a present, I don't keep track of it and of what
that person gives me as presents-that is not the point, what you get is
friendship.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I would like to add my opinion to this. I often write privately to help
people and usually get a response, either a thank you or some other question
or comment. But I don't keep track of who I write to, as I don't do it to
get something back. I was taught when a child to always write a Thank You
note to anyone giving a present, but I found out over the years that
everyone does not do this, and I don't expect everyone to have the same
manners.

The same way I don't give a present to 'get' something. If somebody is a
friend and I give the person a present, I don't keep track of it and of what
that person gives me as presents-that is not the point, what you get is
friendship.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ


Which cemetery - New York? #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am 'stuck' - advice please.

For several years I have been searching for the burial place of one Isidor
WOLF originally >from Russia/Poland (depends on which census you look at).

In the 1920 census Isidor is living at East 114th St, NY - it is known he
died before 1935. He is not listed in the 1930 census. I have checked the
New York death certificates on the web, however the 2 Isidor possibilities
have been ruled out after viewing the certificates.

A relative remembers that Isidor died in St. Johns Hospital, Queens. I
contacted the Hospital who informed me that records are not kept for more
than 10 years, thus there would be nothing anywhere for the period I am
looking in. Has anyone ever had experience with this hospital regarding old
records?

Isidor's sister is buried in Washington Cemetery but Isidor is not - any
idea of a particular cemetery that would encompass the hospital, 114th St
and Washington cemetery?

I have noted all the cemeteries in the New York area on Jewishgen cemetery
site, however I cannot possibly call each and every one.

Any ideas how to proceed would be most gratefully appreciated.

Thank you.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Which cemetery - New York? #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am 'stuck' - advice please.

For several years I have been searching for the burial place of one Isidor
WOLF originally >from Russia/Poland (depends on which census you look at).

In the 1920 census Isidor is living at East 114th St, NY - it is known he
died before 1935. He is not listed in the 1930 census. I have checked the
New York death certificates on the web, however the 2 Isidor possibilities
have been ruled out after viewing the certificates.

A relative remembers that Isidor died in St. Johns Hospital, Queens. I
contacted the Hospital who informed me that records are not kept for more
than 10 years, thus there would be nothing anywhere for the period I am
looking in. Has anyone ever had experience with this hospital regarding old
records?

Isidor's sister is buried in Washington Cemetery but Isidor is not - any
idea of a particular cemetery that would encompass the hospital, 114th St
and Washington cemetery?

I have noted all the cemeteries in the New York area on Jewishgen cemetery
site, however I cannot possibly call each and every one.

Any ideas how to proceed would be most gratefully appreciated.

Thank you.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


GRODSKY / GROTSKY - Russia/Poland New York #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Good morning,

I am updating a previous posting regarding family GRODSKY/GRODSKI/GROTSKY
and derivations of:-

Having just received information >from a death certificate 1913 I would ask
if the following names are within your family tree.

Charles GRODSKY born approx 1867 – butcher – arrived in the US in the late
1890’s. He was married to Bella (nee Wolf).

Charles died age 45 in 1913, in Kings County.

His parents names are given as Siskind GROTESKY and Sarah POCK.

Russia/Poland is given on various documents.

Charles and Bella who died in 1915, had 7 children, Sarah, Fanny, Edward,
Rebecca, William, Esther and Herman.- address in 1910 census Ludlow St.,
Manhattan. NY

After the sudden demise of both parents the children were raised by Bella’s
brother Isidor Wolf, a bachelor, who moved into the family home.

I am trying to connect with the Wolf family and perhaps by finding a GRODSKY
who had connections with the above family I can go forward with my research.

If I knew the town >from which the above GRODSKY family originated >from then
things might start to move. Charles I very much doubt was an only child so
perhaps his siblings went to the US too.

If you can help in any way please contact me.

I thank you for your time.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

Searching WOLF - Chicago.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GRODSKY / GROTSKY - Russia/Poland New York #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Good morning,

I am updating a previous posting regarding family GRODSKY/GRODSKI/GROTSKY
and derivations of:-

Having just received information >from a death certificate 1913 I would ask
if the following names are within your family tree.

Charles GRODSKY born approx 1867 – butcher – arrived in the US in the late
1890’s. He was married to Bella (nee Wolf).

Charles died age 45 in 1913, in Kings County.

His parents names are given as Siskind GROTESKY and Sarah POCK.

Russia/Poland is given on various documents.

Charles and Bella who died in 1915, had 7 children, Sarah, Fanny, Edward,
Rebecca, William, Esther and Herman.- address in 1910 census Ludlow St.,
Manhattan. NY

After the sudden demise of both parents the children were raised by Bella’s
brother Isidor Wolf, a bachelor, who moved into the family home.

I am trying to connect with the Wolf family and perhaps by finding a GRODSKY
who had connections with the above family I can go forward with my research.

If I knew the town >from which the above GRODSKY family originated >from then
things might start to move. Charles I very much doubt was an only child so
perhaps his siblings went to the US too.

If you can help in any way please contact me.

I thank you for your time.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

Searching WOLF - Chicago.


Barbados Jewish Records #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

For cemetery or burial records for your family on Barbados, you might visit
the following web site which is generated by Mary Gleadall who is most
helpful: www.tombstones.bb. You can contact Mary for more specific
information on your particular family as she has provided an on-line form
for information requests. There are 11,484 tombstone and 892 burial entries
in the database.

The web site includes both Jewish and non-Jewish information and contains
records >from not only Barbados, but the Carribean and Antigua.

Good luck,

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Barbados Jewish Records #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

For cemetery or burial records for your family on Barbados, you might visit
the following web site which is generated by Mary Gleadall who is most
helpful: www.tombstones.bb. You can contact Mary for more specific
information on your particular family as she has provided an on-line form
for information requests. There are 11,484 tombstone and 892 burial entries
in the database.

The web site includes both Jewish and non-Jewish information and contains
records >from not only Barbados, but the Carribean and Antigua.

Good luck,

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

I would also like to add my 2 cents.

I don't recall a single incident that I did not get a reply to any e-mail
that I sent privately to this or any of the other SIG's that I belong to
on JewishGen.

I usually answer privately, unless if there is a reason that the answer
may be of use to other genners.

I have also tried to answer everyone who replied to an e-mail of mine,
and I hope that I have never forgotten anyone.

May I take this opportunity to thank everyone for being you. We all
benefit >from the collective knowledge of the members of the list, and
to request forgiveness if I ever forgot to thank someone who took the
time to answer a question of mine.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel

P.S. Please note my new e-mail address
nachum613@gmail.com
I have updated my information on JewishGen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

I would also like to add my 2 cents.

I don't recall a single incident that I did not get a reply to any e-mail
that I sent privately to this or any of the other SIG's that I belong to
on JewishGen.

I usually answer privately, unless if there is a reason that the answer
may be of use to other genners.

I have also tried to answer everyone who replied to an e-mail of mine,
and I hope that I have never forgotten anyone.

May I take this opportunity to thank everyone for being you. We all
benefit >from the collective knowledge of the members of the list, and
to request forgiveness if I ever forgot to thank someone who took the
time to answer a question of mine.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel

P.S. Please note my new e-mail address
nachum613@gmail.com
I have updated my information on JewishGen


"Jewish Families in Galicia" - Converts #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Over the years, I have read much about the prostelyzing of Jews and their
conversions to Christianity. There were successful organized efforts to do
this especially in the 1700's and 1800's. Jews who were not that religious
or those who intermarried, or those who wished to avoid the negative issues
common to Jews in certain countries as well as those who came to believe in
the Christian ethic or those who became wealthy and wished to fit in, took
advantage of this way out of their Jewish state.

The prostelyzers were those who had roots in the communities or those who
were traveling missionaries who went >from town to town and gathered their
new adherants. Sometimes entire families converted and sometimes only one
member.

In England, for instance, there were Christian religious or missionary
groups who set up centers in the Jewish ghtettos or poverty-ridden areas
which provided much needed health care and food and religious sustenance and
other necessities and thereby captured new converts in this manner. One
found these groups still in existence in the 1920's in England and even
later. This happened not only in Europe, but in America as well.

Also of interest are a series of 1996 posts on the JewishGen digest made by
Joseph H. Rubinstein. He posted excerpts >from a book which was called
"Narrative of a Mission of Inquiry to the Jews >from the Church of Scotland
in 1839" or "Mission of Inquiry" and discussed a Church of Scotland
sponsored journey to Jewish areas in Europe and which included Galicia.
Very fascinating and well-worth reading and will give you a good idea of the
kinds of things which were taking place in the Jewish communities.

It always helps to read the JewishGen digest for help with topics you are
interested in as most certainly they have probably been discussed
previously.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Jewish Families in Galicia" - Converts #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Over the years, I have read much about the prostelyzing of Jews and their
conversions to Christianity. There were successful organized efforts to do
this especially in the 1700's and 1800's. Jews who were not that religious
or those who intermarried, or those who wished to avoid the negative issues
common to Jews in certain countries as well as those who came to believe in
the Christian ethic or those who became wealthy and wished to fit in, took
advantage of this way out of their Jewish state.

The prostelyzers were those who had roots in the communities or those who
were traveling missionaries who went >from town to town and gathered their
new adherants. Sometimes entire families converted and sometimes only one
member.

In England, for instance, there were Christian religious or missionary
groups who set up centers in the Jewish ghtettos or poverty-ridden areas
which provided much needed health care and food and religious sustenance and
other necessities and thereby captured new converts in this manner. One
found these groups still in existence in the 1920's in England and even
later. This happened not only in Europe, but in America as well.

Also of interest are a series of 1996 posts on the JewishGen digest made by
Joseph H. Rubinstein. He posted excerpts >from a book which was called
"Narrative of a Mission of Inquiry to the Jews >from the Church of Scotland
in 1839" or "Mission of Inquiry" and discussed a Church of Scotland
sponsored journey to Jewish areas in Europe and which included Galicia.
Very fascinating and well-worth reading and will give you a good idea of the
kinds of things which were taking place in the Jewish communities.

It always helps to read the JewishGen digest for help with topics you are
interested in as most certainly they have probably been discussed
previously.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


BOGASLAVSKY Family #general

Dov & Varda Epstein <yknow@...>
 

Dear Dottie,
I think it is likely your family, like my paternal maternal family comes
from Boguslav, in Kiev Gubernia (Ukraine), known in the Jewish vernacular as
Boslov. Boguslav means: God is good, and the hypothesis is that Jews did not
want to pronounce the name of the (Christian?) God, and thus slurred the
name, much as the Satmar Chassidim avoid the real pronounciation of their
shtetl of origin, which means St. Mary.

Boguslav has an e-list for Jewish researchers, carried by Yahoo, which is
called boslovlist@yahoogroups.com
Varda Epstein
Efrat
Israel


Re: Lack of common courtesy #general

abe simon
 

Just a quick note to add my 2 sheckels.
I have received and given direct thanks to many people.
I notice there are many people who end their post for info with "thanks in
advance". Is this supposed to be a shortcut for real thanks when you get
good info? It's like telling a waitperson in a restaurant thanks in advance
for serving me so I don't have to leave you a tip.

Abe Simon
Las Vegas NV
email abe_simon@cox.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BOGASLAVSKY Family #general

Dov & Varda Epstein <yknow@...>
 

Dear Dottie,
I think it is likely your family, like my paternal maternal family comes
from Boguslav, in Kiev Gubernia (Ukraine), known in the Jewish vernacular as
Boslov. Boguslav means: God is good, and the hypothesis is that Jews did not
want to pronounce the name of the (Christian?) God, and thus slurred the
name, much as the Satmar Chassidim avoid the real pronounciation of their
shtetl of origin, which means St. Mary.

Boguslav has an e-list for Jewish researchers, carried by Yahoo, which is
called boslovlist@yahoogroups.com
Varda Epstein
Efrat
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Lack of common courtesy #general

abe simon
 

Just a quick note to add my 2 sheckels.
I have received and given direct thanks to many people.
I notice there are many people who end their post for info with "thanks in
advance". Is this supposed to be a shortcut for real thanks when you get
good info? It's like telling a waitperson in a restaurant thanks in advance
for serving me so I don't have to leave you a tip.

Abe Simon
Las Vegas NV
email abe_simon@cox.net