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Re: Misie as Female Given Name - mystery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Mark Halpern wrote

There are many examples in many towns in Galicia where the child's
surname is not identified and where the father is also not identified.
This information is missing >from the original record.

Why is this information missing? My guess is that the child, Rubin, was
considered by the Austrian Government to be illegitimate. This means his
parents, who were most likely married in a Jewish religious ceremony,
were not married in a ceremony that could be registered with the civil
authorities. In many cases like this, the child's surname is not
recorded.

The fact that the father's name is missing could also mean that the
parents did not have a recognized civil marriage. Many times the
father's name is recorded when he signs a witnessed statement of
paternity. For some reason, this did not happen. It also could be that
the father had died before the birth. Since no other births to Misie
HORN appear in the Stanislawow indices, it could be that the father died
before childbirth.

For more information about Galician civil marriages and legitimacy of
children, please search the SIG List Archives at
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator
Dera Mark,

Thank you kindly for your reply.

I'm afraid that mystery is not resolved.

Consider the following:

There are 243 records for town Tysmieniczany listed in JRI-Poland records.

With exception of three records listed in Bursztyn, and one record listed in
Rozdol for Tysmieniczany, all other 239 records ( thirty three in Kolomyja,
three in Nadworna and 203 in Stanislawow) do not include child and father
names.

What had happened in Tysmieniczany? Looks like a witch-hunt or some kind of
curse has declared all local women to be illegitimately married.

I can understand that in few cases this can happened but not in 239 out of
243.

Is there a possibility to examine at least one original birth record to
check annotations made by the local scribe or Stanislawow Rabbanut in order
to resolve the mystery. Can you please arrange this with AGAD folks?

Best,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Misie as Female Given Name - mystery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Mark Halpern wrote

There are many examples in many towns in Galicia where the child's
surname is not identified and where the father is also not identified.
This information is missing >from the original record.

Why is this information missing? My guess is that the child, Rubin, was
considered by the Austrian Government to be illegitimate. This means his
parents, who were most likely married in a Jewish religious ceremony,
were not married in a ceremony that could be registered with the civil
authorities. In many cases like this, the child's surname is not
recorded.

The fact that the father's name is missing could also mean that the
parents did not have a recognized civil marriage. Many times the
father's name is recorded when he signs a witnessed statement of
paternity. For some reason, this did not happen. It also could be that
the father had died before the birth. Since no other births to Misie
HORN appear in the Stanislawow indices, it could be that the father died
before childbirth.

For more information about Galician civil marriages and legitimacy of
children, please search the SIG List Archives at
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator
Dera Mark,

Thank you kindly for your reply.

I'm afraid that mystery is not resolved.

Consider the following:

There are 243 records for town Tysmieniczany listed in JRI-Poland records.

With exception of three records listed in Bursztyn, and one record listed in
Rozdol for Tysmieniczany, all other 239 records ( thirty three in Kolomyja,
three in Nadworna and 203 in Stanislawow) do not include child and father
names.

What had happened in Tysmieniczany? Looks like a witch-hunt or some kind of
curse has declared all local women to be illegitimately married.

I can understand that in few cases this can happened but not in 239 out of
243.

Is there a possibility to examine at least one original birth record to
check annotations made by the local scribe or Stanislawow Rabbanut in order
to resolve the mystery. Can you please arrange this with AGAD folks?

Best,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


Re: Misie as Female Given Name - mistery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

There are many examples in many towns in Galicia where the child's
surname is not identified and where the father is also not identified.
This information is missing >from the original record.

Why is this information missing? My guess is that the child, Rubin, was
considered by the Austrian Government to be illegitimate. This means his
parents, who were most likely married in a Jewish religious ceremony,
were not married in a ceremony that could be registered with the civil
authorities. In many cases like this, the child's surname is not
recorded.

The fact that the father's name is missing could also mean that the
parents did not have a recognized civil marriage. Many times the
father's name is recorded when he signs a witnessed statement of
paternity. For some reason, this did not happen. It also could be that
the father had died before the birth. Since no other births to Misie
HORN appear in the Stanislawow indices, it could be that the father died
before childbirth.

For more information about Galician civil marriages and legitimacy of
children, please search the SIG List Archives at
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Misie as Female Given Name - mistery with Tysmieniczany records


Misie as Female Given Name

His name was Rubin HORN and I know only his mother'
name Misie.
I know that it's a nickname in Yiddish but no more.
DOMINIQUE HORN POSLUSHNI
Yavne, in Israel.
Dominique,

I have read also your message related to Rubin Horn and Tysmieniczany
on the
Jewish Gen discussion list.

You are referring to information containing in JRI-P/ All Poland
database
at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/

It lists under Stanislawow (Ivano Frankovsk) records Akt 513,
Signatura 1225
Misie Horn (maiden name) >from Tysmieniczany as mother of Rubin, born
1891.

I would like to draw your attention to an unusual pattern regarding
Tysmieniczany records.

There 243 records (mostly births) related to town Tysmieniczany. With
a few
exceptions, in nearly all of them there is missing following data:

Child surname,
Father's surname
Father name
Father's town (town 1)

Is this something that missing >from the original records, which would
be a
bit unusual (how records were listed in the first place?) or it is an
omission on AGAD personnel in Warsaw who transferred the records to
Excel
format?

I am copying this letter to Mark Halpern with the request that he will
investigate the issue.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Misie as Female Given Name - mistery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

There are many examples in many towns in Galicia where the child's
surname is not identified and where the father is also not identified.
This information is missing >from the original record.

Why is this information missing? My guess is that the child, Rubin, was
considered by the Austrian Government to be illegitimate. This means his
parents, who were most likely married in a Jewish religious ceremony,
were not married in a ceremony that could be registered with the civil
authorities. In many cases like this, the child's surname is not
recorded.

The fact that the father's name is missing could also mean that the
parents did not have a recognized civil marriage. Many times the
father's name is recorded when he signs a witnessed statement of
paternity. For some reason, this did not happen. It also could be that
the father had died before the birth. Since no other births to Misie
HORN appear in the Stanislawow indices, it could be that the father died
before childbirth.

For more information about Galician civil marriages and legitimacy of
children, please search the SIG List Archives at
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Misie as Female Given Name - mistery with Tysmieniczany records


Misie as Female Given Name

His name was Rubin HORN and I know only his mother'
name Misie.
I know that it's a nickname in Yiddish but no more.
DOMINIQUE HORN POSLUSHNI
Yavne, in Israel.
Dominique,

I have read also your message related to Rubin Horn and Tysmieniczany
on the
Jewish Gen discussion list.

You are referring to information containing in JRI-P/ All Poland
database
at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/

It lists under Stanislawow (Ivano Frankovsk) records Akt 513,
Signatura 1225
Misie Horn (maiden name) >from Tysmieniczany as mother of Rubin, born
1891.

I would like to draw your attention to an unusual pattern regarding
Tysmieniczany records.

There 243 records (mostly births) related to town Tysmieniczany. With
a few
exceptions, in nearly all of them there is missing following data:

Child surname,
Father's surname
Father name
Father's town (town 1)

Is this something that missing >from the original records, which would
be a
bit unusual (how records were listed in the first place?) or it is an
omission on AGAD personnel in Warsaw who transferred the records to
Excel
format?

I am copying this letter to Mark Halpern with the request that he will
investigate the issue.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Misie as Female Given Name - mistery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Misie as Female Given Name

His name was Rubin HORN and I know only his mother'
name Misie.
I know that it's a nickname in Yiddish but no more.
DOMINIQUE HORN POSLUSHNI
Yavne, in Israel.
Dominique,

I have read also your message related to Rubin Horn and Tysmieniczany on the
Jewish Gen discussion list.

You are referring to information containing in JRI-P/ All Poland database
at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/

It lists under Stanislawow (Ivano Frankovsk) records Akt 513, Signatura 1225
Misie Horn (maiden name) >from Tysmieniczany as mother of Rubin, born 1891.

I would like to draw your attention to an unusual pattern regarding
Tysmieniczany records.

There 243 records (mostly births) related to town Tysmieniczany. With a few
exceptions, in nearly all of them there is missing following data:

Child surname,
Father's surname
Father name
Father's town (town 1)

Is this something that missing >from the original records, which would be a
bit unusual (how records were listed in the first place?) or it is an
omission on AGAD personnel in Warsaw who transferred the records to Excel
format?

I am copying this letter to Mark Halpern with the request that he will
investigate the issue.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Misie as Female Given Name - mistery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Misie as Female Given Name

His name was Rubin HORN and I know only his mother'
name Misie.
I know that it's a nickname in Yiddish but no more.
DOMINIQUE HORN POSLUSHNI
Yavne, in Israel.
Dominique,

I have read also your message related to Rubin Horn and Tysmieniczany on the
Jewish Gen discussion list.

You are referring to information containing in JRI-P/ All Poland database
at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/

It lists under Stanislawow (Ivano Frankovsk) records Akt 513, Signatura 1225
Misie Horn (maiden name) >from Tysmieniczany as mother of Rubin, born 1891.

I would like to draw your attention to an unusual pattern regarding
Tysmieniczany records.

There 243 records (mostly births) related to town Tysmieniczany. With a few
exceptions, in nearly all of them there is missing following data:

Child surname,
Father's surname
Father name
Father's town (town 1)

Is this something that missing >from the original records, which would be a
bit unusual (how records were listed in the first place?) or it is an
omission on AGAD personnel in Warsaw who transferred the records to Excel
format?

I am copying this letter to Mark Halpern with the request that he will
investigate the issue.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Leeds Records #unitedkingdom

Louise Messik at JCR-UK <jcr-uk-mod@...>
 

As you are aware Jewish Communities and Records United Kingdom (JCR-UK) is a
joint venture between JewishGen and the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great
Britain.

Occasionally large chunks of data are donated exclusively to JGSGB and this
has recently been the case when 48,000 Leeds census, marriage and burial
records were made available to JGSGB by Murray Freedman.

For those of you searching for relatives in Leeds it might well be worth
considering joining JGS Great Britain.

For further information on the Society please visit our web pages at
www.jgsgb.org.uk

Louise Messik


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Leeds Records #unitedkingdom

Louise Messik at JCR-UK <jcr-uk-mod@...>
 

As you are aware Jewish Communities and Records United Kingdom (JCR-UK) is a
joint venture between JewishGen and the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great
Britain.

Occasionally large chunks of data are donated exclusively to JGSGB and this
has recently been the case when 48,000 Leeds census, marriage and burial
records were made available to JGSGB by Murray Freedman.

For those of you searching for relatives in Leeds it might well be worth
considering joining JGS Great Britain.

For further information on the Society please visit our web pages at
www.jgsgb.org.uk

Louise Messik


Breast/ovarian cancer gene and Genealogy #general

Shelly Crane
 

Hello JewishGenners,
I am trying to find anyone who has the specific BRCA-1 gene mutation called,
185del AG. If you or anyone in your family has this specific mutation, it
is very likely we are related in some way. Would love to compare notes, even
if we don't appear to share a surname in common. Our common ancestor could go
way back beyond the time surnames were used.

Thanks,

Shelly Crane
crzprncess@aol.com
Some of the names I am researching:
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki: DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND/FROYD, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, LANGUS, LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, LIPSZYC, MILEWICZ, PIENTAK,
WINICKA.
Lithuania: LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF
Location unknown: FLASTERSTEIN, GORELIK,
Ukraine: GLASS, KWATCHINSKY, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, SHIFFMAN,

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately with personal connections.
Readers interested in more in-depth discussion of genetics and DNA
testing can visit our Genealogy by Genetics page and DNA mailing
list at http://www.jewishgen.org/dna/ .


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Breast/ovarian cancer gene and Genealogy #general

Shelly Crane
 

Hello JewishGenners,
I am trying to find anyone who has the specific BRCA-1 gene mutation called,
185del AG. If you or anyone in your family has this specific mutation, it
is very likely we are related in some way. Would love to compare notes, even
if we don't appear to share a surname in common. Our common ancestor could go
way back beyond the time surnames were used.

Thanks,

Shelly Crane
crzprncess@aol.com
Some of the names I am researching:
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki: DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND/FROYD, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, LANGUS, LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, LIPSZYC, MILEWICZ, PIENTAK,
WINICKA.
Lithuania: LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF
Location unknown: FLASTERSTEIN, GORELIK,
Ukraine: GLASS, KWATCHINSKY, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, SHIFFMAN,

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately with personal connections.
Readers interested in more in-depth discussion of genetics and DNA
testing can visit our Genealogy by Genetics page and DNA mailing
list at http://www.jewishgen.org/dna/ .


Re: Restoration of Rymanow (Galicia) synagogue #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Great questions. What is the meaning and function of a rebuilt
synagogue in a Poland without Jews? Does this project have any popular
support or interest among local Polish residents? Has any work been done
explaining and educating local residents regarding this project?

Tilford Bartman, www.zabludow.com

Amazing.......they are rebuilding the Rymanov synagogue....

Question: *Who* is rebuilding the synagogue? Former residents or
people living now in Rymanov?
Is it going to be a holocaust memorial for those who perished or used
as prayer house?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Restoration of Rymanow (Galicia) synagogue #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Great questions. What is the meaning and function of a rebuilt
synagogue in a Poland without Jews? Does this project have any popular
support or interest among local Polish residents? Has any work been done
explaining and educating local residents regarding this project?

Tilford Bartman, www.zabludow.com

Amazing.......they are rebuilding the Rymanov synagogue....

Question: *Who* is rebuilding the synagogue? Former residents or
people living now in Rymanov?
Is it going to be a holocaust memorial for those who perished or used
as prayer house?


Re: Sophie BIRN KLEIN, Estenfeld, Bavaria > Norden, Niedersachsen #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Bonnie Birns schrieb:
"Sophie BIRN, born Estenfeld bei Wurzburg, Bavaria, Germany, June 26, 1842 or 1843
married N. KLEIN. This I already knew.
The new information is that she died January 15, 1920 in Norden. I was told that
this town is at the North Sea, near Emden and Aurich. I looked this up to be
Niedersachsen. Would it be possible to get a death certificate or any other proof
of her existence >from Norden?"

Dear Bonnie,
the email address of the residence registration office (Standesamt) of
the city of Norden is:

standesamt@norden.de

Try your luck there, I am sure they understand English. Wishing you success,

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@uni-bielefeld.de>


German SIG #Germany Re: Sophie BIRN KLEIN, Estenfeld, Bavaria > Norden, Niedersachsen #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Bonnie Birns schrieb:
"Sophie BIRN, born Estenfeld bei Wurzburg, Bavaria, Germany, June 26, 1842 or 1843
married N. KLEIN. This I already knew.
The new information is that she died January 15, 1920 in Norden. I was told that
this town is at the North Sea, near Emden and Aurich. I looked this up to be
Niedersachsen. Would it be possible to get a death certificate or any other proof
of her existence >from Norden?"

Dear Bonnie,
the email address of the residence registration office (Standesamt) of
the city of Norden is:

standesamt@norden.de

Try your luck there, I am sure they understand English. Wishing you success,

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@uni-bielefeld.de>


SUNDERLAND FANFARE #unitedkingdom

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

I would like to give a puff, a fanfare, a pat on the back & a heartfelt
thankyou to those individuals who are responsible for putting the =

SUNDERLAND COMMUNITY online at

http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Community/sunderland.htm

This has been a most enormous effort made possible by

Dr Harold Davis, who kept the records safe when the shul
closed


Beverley Bergman who made the whole thing real by =

transcribing them, even during the illness & death of
her dear husband

John Berman, who placed everything online.

No-one but them can know how enormous a task this
has been, except perhaps me-who tried to do it-and failed.

I am thrilled to salute those 3 brave & diligent souls who
opened up this fantastic resource to us all. Go and enjoy.


Best: Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica

searching: FRANKEL, AMIEL, WIDENBURG


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom SUNDERLAND FANFARE #unitedkingdom

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

I would like to give a puff, a fanfare, a pat on the back & a heartfelt
thankyou to those individuals who are responsible for putting the =

SUNDERLAND COMMUNITY online at

http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Community/sunderland.htm

This has been a most enormous effort made possible by

Dr Harold Davis, who kept the records safe when the shul
closed


Beverley Bergman who made the whole thing real by =

transcribing them, even during the illness & death of
her dear husband

John Berman, who placed everything online.

No-one but them can know how enormous a task this
has been, except perhaps me-who tried to do it-and failed.

I am thrilled to salute those 3 brave & diligent souls who
opened up this fantastic resource to us all. Go and enjoy.


Best: Miriam Margolyes
Santa Monica

searching: FRANKEL, AMIEL, WIDENBURG


Searching for Information on KIRSHBERG, KERZBERG, KERSZBERG and FISHLOWITZ #warsaw #poland

Lara Cresant <lbcjec@...>
 

Searching for any information on KIRSHBERG (KERZBERG, KERSZBERG) and
FISHLOWITZ families of Warszawa. Shalom (Sol) KIRSHBERG is my grandfather
born (aprox 1905) in Warszawa then moved to Lublin to marry my grandmother
(Shaindle Keller). Shalom was a tailor by trade and comes >from a long line
of Rabbis in Warszawa. Shalom's father's name was Eliezar. His mother's name
was Tova FISHLOWITZ. He had an aunt name Ryfka and a half sister Esther, who
immigrated to Paris. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Searching for Information on KIRSHBERG, KERZBERG, KERSZBERG and FISHLOWITZ #warsaw #poland

Lara Cresant <lbcjec@...>
 

Searching for any information on KIRSHBERG (KERZBERG, KERSZBERG) and
FISHLOWITZ families of Warszawa. Shalom (Sol) KIRSHBERG is my grandfather
born (aprox 1905) in Warszawa then moved to Lublin to marry my grandmother
(Shaindle Keller). Shalom was a tailor by trade and comes >from a long line
of Rabbis in Warszawa. Shalom's father's name was Eliezar. His mother's name
was Tova FISHLOWITZ. He had an aunt name Ryfka and a half sister Esther, who
immigrated to Paris. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Re: Szyja?? - First Name #general

Jane Rosen Berenbeim
 

It's my understanding that Scija is the Polish-Yiddish rendering of the
name Joshua. My husband's great-grandfather, Joshua , whose last
residence before emigrating to the US was Warsaw, is listed as Scija on
the ship manifest.

Jane Berenbeim
NYC

Researching BERENBEIM/BERENBAUM, Kiev gubernia, Ukraine>Winipeg>Denver;
ROSEN, Olviopol or Bogopol, Ukraine>Kishinev>Palestine>NYC &
Australia; GANETSKY, Mogilev>Winipeg>Denver; SCHAPIRO, Kovno
gubernia>Palestine>NYC; REITER, Pogrebische Ukraine>NYC; KLEINER,
Yanov Ukraine>Russia, Israel, US; GURNY changed to GOODNEY, Lodz>NYC;
MALSCHEVITZER/changed to SIEGEL, Proskurov Ukraine>Elizabeth NJ.


Does anyone know of a Jonas BLUMENBERG in Brooklyn in 1946? #general

Leslie Weinberg <artsoul@...>
 

I have been told by a researcher that there was a Jonas BLUMENBERG
searching for a "Reich" family in Brooklyn NY in 1946. Jonas Blumenberg
was the name of my grandfather's nephew, Mozes, who we know got to
Israel in the 30s. I don't know where this Jonas originated from, but
what is interesting is that my grandmother's maiden name was "Reiss",
possibly "Reich" in Hungary. I don't see why this man, if there is a
connection, would not have been looking for, instead, the "Eisen"
family, which was the family which married into the Blumenberg line. Of
this is the same Jonas Blumenberg who was the father of my grandfather's
nephew, he was married to Hene Eisen, and might have been searching her
brother, my grandfather, Markus Eisen. Does anyone have any knowledge
of a Jonas Blumenberg at that time, and possibly a Mozes Blumenberg some
time later? The family came >from Tyczyn, Poland. Leslie Weinberg

Searching Eisen, Blumenberg, Iram, Gran, Tyczyn, Poland, Przybyszowka,
Poland, and Nagyvarad, Hungary (Oradea, Romania)
Reiss, November, Eisen, Nagyvarad, Hungary (Oradea, Romania)
Danskoy, Nehzin, Ukraine