I need help finding/figuring our how to find Lillian FLORMAN KATZ who
lived in the New York - New Jersey area in the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s.

Here's what I know: she was a maid of honor at a family wedding that
took place in New York City (Manhattan) in August 1920 and she is
listed as Miss Lillian Florman. In my great grandfather's (Jacob
JOSEPH) will in 1941 he leaves money to his niece Lillian KATZ. So if
all the dots connect, Lillian FLORMAN's mother's maiden name was JOSEPH,
but I do not know the mother's first name. Some where after 1920
Lillian FLORMAN married a man named KATZ. The mother would had been a
sister to Jacob and Israel JOSEPH.

Assuming (which I know is a bad starting place) that Lillian was a
young woman at the time of the 1920 wedding I have been looking
in the US Census for a Lillian, Lillie, Lilly, (etc) >from 1920
named FLORMAN. I can not find one who fits the descriptions.
Several people helped pull people out of the Census >from 1900, 1910 and
1920 but none of the people in the census fit.

I gave up on the Census because I can not find the person. I tried
going to the court and looking at the papers in my great grandfather's
estate but there was nothing there about Lillian despite the fact she
was left money. No papers with her signing for the money, etc. The will
itself >from 1941 gives no further information nor a husband's name to
try and pin it down at all.

I am at a deadend right now and need someone to help repoint me or
better yet for someone to reply and say they know this woman. Anyone
have any ideas?

Thanks.

Allan Jordan

I need help finding/figuring our how to find Lillian FLORMAN KATZ who
lived in the New York - New Jersey area in the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s.

Here's what I know: she was a maid of honor at a family wedding that
took place in New York City (Manhattan) in August 1920 and she is
listed as Miss Lillian Florman. In my great grandfather's (Jacob
JOSEPH) will in 1941 he leaves money to his niece Lillian KATZ. So if
all the dots connect, Lillian FLORMAN's mother's maiden name was JOSEPH,
but I do not know the mother's first name. Some where after 1920
Lillian FLORMAN married a man named KATZ. The mother would had been a
sister to Jacob and Israel JOSEPH.

Assuming (which I know is a bad starting place) that Lillian was a
young woman at the time of the 1920 wedding I have been looking
in the US Census for a Lillian, Lillie, Lilly, (etc) >from 1920
named FLORMAN. I can not find one who fits the descriptions.
Several people helped pull people out of the Census >from 1900, 1910 and
1920 but none of the people in the census fit.

I gave up on the Census because I can not find the person. I tried
going to the court and looking at the papers in my great grandfather's
estate but there was nothing there about Lillian despite the fact she
was left money. No papers with her signing for the money, etc. The will
itself >from 1941 gives no further information nor a husband's name to
try and pin it down at all.

I am at a deadend right now and need someone to help repoint me or
better yet for someone to reply and say they know this woman. Anyone
have any ideas?

Thanks.

Allan Jordan

Hi group
Happy to let you know found some of my father's uncles and aunts.
As well as his father's uncles and aunts.
mendel dawid MENDLOWICZ b. 1835 in Tomaszow Lubelski
had:
Mordko Josef b. 1854 in Tomaszo Lubelski.
married Dwoira FRAIND/FRAIM.
Laia Dwoira b. 1857 Tomaszow
Jachet (f) b. 1859.
Bina b 1860 Tomaszow.
married Shoel(shaul) DYKER 1881 Komarow.
Judka Abram b. 1860 Komarow.
Chaim b. 1866 Komarow.
Elka Sura b. 1868 Komarow.
married Wolf ASSYA / ASSYER 1887 Komarow.
Cipra b. 1870 Komarow.
married Srul Moshko FISHELZON ,son of Azrul and Chana.1891.
Brucha ? b. 1876.
now next generation.
Mordko Josef MENDLOWICZ
had:
Naftul ? b. 1876.
Kisel Icek b.1876 Komarow.
Baila Estera b. 1879.
married 1901- Moszko Lipa -KEMOR.Komarow
Ginda b.1881 Komarow.
Yankel (G)Hersh b.1883 Komarow.
Faiga Rywka d. 1885.Komarow
Szandla b. 1890. Komarow.
Szulim MENDLEWICZ b.1893.Komarow
married Szaindla TENENBAUM b.1896. Komarow.

Zelick MENDELOVICH
England

Hi group
Happy to let you know found some of my father's uncles and aunts.
As well as his father's uncles and aunts.
mendel dawid MENDLOWICZ b. 1835 in Tomaszow Lubelski
had:
Mordko Josef b. 1854 in Tomaszo Lubelski.
married Dwoira FRAIND/FRAIM.
Laia Dwoira b. 1857 Tomaszow
Jachet (f) b. 1859.
Bina b 1860 Tomaszow.
married Shoel(shaul) DYKER 1881 Komarow.
Judka Abram b. 1860 Komarow.
Chaim b. 1866 Komarow.
Elka Sura b. 1868 Komarow.
married Wolf ASSYA / ASSYER 1887 Komarow.
Cipra b. 1870 Komarow.
married Srul Moshko FISHELZON ,son of Azrul and Chana.1891.
Brucha ? b. 1876.
now next generation.
Mordko Josef MENDLOWICZ
had:
Naftul ? b. 1876.
Kisel Icek b.1876 Komarow.
Baila Estera b. 1879.
married 1901- Moszko Lipa -KEMOR.Komarow
Ginda b.1881 Komarow.
Yankel (G)Hersh b.1883 Komarow.
Faiga Rywka d. 1885.Komarow
Szandla b. 1890. Komarow.
Szulim MENDLEWICZ b.1893.Komarow
married Szaindla TENENBAUM b.1896. Komarow.

Zelick MENDELOVICH
England

Dear Genners: Now and then I read where one of you is seeking
help in tracing family and relatives in Argentina. One good bet
is the Jewish genealogy group in that country. Its e-mail address is:
www.agja.com.ar
Best, Marc Raizman

Dear Genners: Now and then I read where one of you is seeking
help in tracing family and relatives in Argentina. One good bet
is the Jewish genealogy group in that country. Its e-mail address is:
www.agja.com.ar
Best, Marc Raizman

Looking for any information about descendents of:

Blanche Berthe born GAILLARD and used the following names
(that we know of; divorced Scharpf; Hirsch; Salm) married to Otto
Joseph KATZ (born Prague, went to SA 1925, pioneer in shoe industry,
died Johannesburg 1969).

Saul Issroff
please reply privately to saul@shaul.homechoice.co.uk.

Chirurg is how Surgeon is spelled in Polish.He may
have been >from lithuania but the spelling is Polish.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Looking for any information about descendents of:

Blanche Berthe born GAILLARD and used the following names
(that we know of; divorced Scharpf; Hirsch; Salm) married to Otto
Joseph KATZ (born Prague, went to SA 1925, pioneer in shoe industry,
died Johannesburg 1969).

Saul Issroff
please reply privately to saul@shaul.homechoice.co.uk.

Chirurg is how Surgeon is spelled in Polish.He may
have been >from lithuania but the spelling is Polish.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Thanks to all of you who helped me or volunteered to translate my
documents. I have many names and don't need any more.

I've had several people email questioning the documents for Dorohoi that
I found. Actually there was an article in Avotaynu late last summer or
fall stating the new records at the LDS and the films for Dorohoi were
on the list. Here it is:

If searching under Title: Metrical books 1869-1902

If searching under author: Jewish Congregation Herta (Dorohoi)(Main Author)

Film 2329599 item 2 births 1869-1874
item 3 1875-1880
item 4 1877-1883

Film 2329600 item 1 births 1883-1884
item 2 1885-1893
item 3 1893-1901
item 4 1900-1901

Film 2329601 item 1 births 1901-1902

item 2 deaths 1877-1884
item 3 1885-1891

Film 2329602 item 1 deaths 1891-1892
item 2 1893-1901


All records are in Roumanian. Hope this helps!!
Susan Gurman
Lansdale, Pa.

Thanks to all of you who helped me or volunteered to translate my
documents. I have many names and don't need any more.

I've had several people email questioning the documents for Dorohoi that
I found. Actually there was an article in Avotaynu late last summer or
fall stating the new records at the LDS and the films for Dorohoi were
on the list. Here it is:

If searching under Title: Metrical books 1869-1902

If searching under author: Jewish Congregation Herta (Dorohoi)(Main Author)

Film 2329599 item 2 births 1869-1874
item 3 1875-1880
item 4 1877-1883

Film 2329600 item 1 births 1883-1884
item 2 1885-1893
item 3 1893-1901
item 4 1900-1901

Film 2329601 item 1 births 1901-1902

item 2 deaths 1877-1884
item 3 1885-1891

Film 2329602 item 1 deaths 1891-1892
item 2 1893-1901


All records are in Roumanian. Hope this helps!!
Susan Gurman
Lansdale, Pa.

I have been told that Leopold Benjamin MANDELBAUM was born in 1883 at
Markt Kurow, Russia (I assume one of the iterations of Poland).

I can locate the placename of Kurow on the WWW but I cannot find the full
name of "Markt Kurow". Can anyone help?

Where would I find his birth record?

Doug Mason
Melbourne

I have been told that Leopold Benjamin MANDELBAUM was born in 1883 at
Markt Kurow, Russia (I assume one of the iterations of Poland).

I can locate the placename of Kurow on the WWW but I cannot find the full
name of "Markt Kurow". Can anyone help?

Where would I find his birth record?

Doug Mason
Melbourne

Thanks to JRI Poland, I ordered Laja KRA's 1874 birth record

from the Przasnysz Polish State Archives. The Laja (Leah) I am

researching was the daughter of Gershon KRA, so I was happy to
see that name on the third line. But that's all I could read
on this Polish document.

I'd be grateful if someone would tell me the date and place
of Laja's birth, the name of her mother, and any other
genealogically significant details.

The birth record will be on ViewMate (VM5925) until next Sunday,
April 24. To view it, please go to
data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5925

Please respond privately.

Thanks very much.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York, USA
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us

Red-faced, I'm resending this request -- for a translation >from
Russian, not Polish:

Thanks to JRI Poland, I ordered Laja KRA's 1874 birth record

from the Przasnysz Polish State Archives. The Laja (Leah) I am

researching was the daughter of Gershon KRA, so I was happy to
see that name on the third line. But that's all I could read
on this **Russian** document.

I'd be grateful if someone would tell me the date and place
of Laja's birth, the name of her mother, and any other
genealogically significant details.

The birth record will be on ViewMate (VM5925) until next Sunday,
April 24. To view it, please go to
data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5925

Please respond privately.

Thanks very much.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York, USA
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us

Thanks to JRI Poland, I ordered Laja KRA's 1874 birth record

from the Przasnysz Polish State Archives. The Laja (Leah) I am

researching was the daughter of Gershon KRA, so I was happy to
see that name on the third line. But that's all I could read
on this Polish document.

I'd be grateful if someone would tell me the date and place
of Laja's birth, the name of her mother, and any other
genealogically significant details.

The birth record will be on ViewMate (VM5925) until next Sunday,
April 24. To view it, please go to
data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5925

Please respond privately.

Thanks very much.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York, USA
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us

Red-faced, I'm resending this request -- for a translation >from
Russian, not Polish:

Thanks to JRI Poland, I ordered Laja KRA's 1874 birth record

from the Przasnysz Polish State Archives. The Laja (Leah) I am

researching was the daughter of Gershon KRA, so I was happy to
see that name on the third line. But that's all I could read
on this **Russian** document.

I'd be grateful if someone would tell me the date and place
of Laja's birth, the name of her mother, and any other
genealogically significant details.

The birth record will be on ViewMate (VM5925) until next Sunday,
April 24. To view it, please go to
data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5925

Please respond privately.

Thanks very much.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York, USA
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us

On 2005.04.15, under a thread entitled "Abigail KATZENELENBOGEN,"
I wrote:

Incidentally, my research, blame no one but me, indicates that Saul
WAHL's wife Deborah DRUCKER is the daughter of David Yehiel RAPAPORT
who was called Yehiel the Madpis of Vienna. (Madpis and Drucker are
both translations of the word Printer)

I received queries about Deborah DRUCKER and her father David
DRUCKER, based on my earlier letter to RavSig. Here is the
information I was working from.

David DRUCKER was according to the memoirs of Rabbi Leon Modena the
son-in-law of Rabbi Samuel Judah KATZENELLENBOGEN. Samuel Judah was
the Chief Rabbi of the Padua and Venice communities but also in some
business ventures including the printing business with this
son-in-law who was married to Samuel Judah's daughter Miriam (Rachel
Miriam). Rabbi Leon Modena was the person who was called to give the
eulogy at Samuel Judah's funeral. David had been in business in
Vienna in a time when Jewish printing was highly constrained and
documented. David DRUCKER's son Israel Yehiel DRUCKER of Venice was
properly surnamed RAPA or RAPAPORT - this >from the fact that Israel
DRUCKER printed the book of Moshe RAPA "Pelagi Mayim" and described
the author as his brother. Israel Yehiel DRUCKER is also known as
the father of Rabbi Aryeh RAPAPORT of Vienna and Prague.

So my conclusion is that when Saul WAHL married Deborah DRUCKER, the
daughter of David DRUCKER, he was marrying his niece Deborah, the
daughter of David RAPA haKohen and Rachel Miriam KATZENELLENBOGEN.
It is not clear if Yehiel haMadpis and David DRUCKER (printers of
Venice) are the same man or father and son. Because we don't know
if "Yehiel ha Madpis" refers to David [Yehiel] the drucker or to
Israel son of Yehiel who was called Israel Yehiel. We know that
Israel Yehiel was the son of a Yehiel because his brother Moshe RAPA
called himself ben Yehiel in his book Pelagi Mayim. So even if David
was not the Yehiel haMadpis, his name still would have been David
Yehiel RAPA or Yehiel David RAPA.

David Yehiel RAPA DRUCKER had at least four children - a son Israel
(Israel Yehiel DRUCKER), a son Abraham Menahem RAPA (1569-author of
Hote Jair, fl 1628 who was a pupil of Samuel Judah KATZENELLENBOGEN),
a son Moshe RAPA (author of Pelagi Mayim) and Deborah DRUCKER

Deborah Glassman

On 2005.04.15, under a thread entitled "Abigail KATZENELENBOGEN,"
I wrote:

Incidentally, my research, blame no one but me, indicates that Saul
WAHL's wife Deborah DRUCKER is the daughter of David Yehiel RAPAPORT
who was called Yehiel the Madpis of Vienna. (Madpis and Drucker are
both translations of the word Printer)

I received queries about Deborah DRUCKER and her father David
DRUCKER, based on my earlier letter to RavSig. Here is the
information I was working from.

David DRUCKER was according to the memoirs of Rabbi Leon Modena the
son-in-law of Rabbi Samuel Judah KATZENELLENBOGEN. Samuel Judah was
the Chief Rabbi of the Padua and Venice communities but also in some
business ventures including the printing business with this
son-in-law who was married to Samuel Judah's daughter Miriam (Rachel
Miriam). Rabbi Leon Modena was the person who was called to give the
eulogy at Samuel Judah's funeral. David had been in business in
Vienna in a time when Jewish printing was highly constrained and
documented. David DRUCKER's son Israel Yehiel DRUCKER of Venice was
properly surnamed RAPA or RAPAPORT - this >from the fact that Israel
DRUCKER printed the book of Moshe RAPA "Pelagi Mayim" and described
the author as his brother. Israel Yehiel DRUCKER is also known as
the father of Rabbi Aryeh RAPAPORT of Vienna and Prague.

So my conclusion is that when Saul WAHL married Deborah DRUCKER, the
daughter of David DRUCKER, he was marrying his niece Deborah, the
daughter of David RAPA haKohen and Rachel Miriam KATZENELLENBOGEN.
It is not clear if Yehiel haMadpis and David DRUCKER (printers of
Venice) are the same man or father and son. Because we don't know
if "Yehiel ha Madpis" refers to David [Yehiel] the drucker or to
Israel son of Yehiel who was called Israel Yehiel. We know that
Israel Yehiel was the son of a Yehiel because his brother Moshe RAPA
called himself ben Yehiel in his book Pelagi Mayim. So even if David
was not the Yehiel haMadpis, his name still would have been David
Yehiel RAPA or Yehiel David RAPA.

David Yehiel RAPA DRUCKER had at least four children - a son Israel
(Israel Yehiel DRUCKER), a son Abraham Menahem RAPA (1569-author of
Hote Jair, fl 1628 who was a pupil of Samuel Judah KATZENELLENBOGEN),
a son Moshe RAPA (author of Pelagi Mayim) and Deborah DRUCKER

Deborah Glassman