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Re: Schindler's list #general

Ruth <drwho70@...>
 

I, too, would like to know how to follow up on names >from the list.

For those who may not know where this list is, the following URL will
take you there.
http://www.schindlerslist.com/media/schndlersList.pdf


Ruth Grant, Maine
B'RAM/BARAM/BAR AM>> Labun, Ukraine> Haifa
FEIGENBLAT/FAJGENBLAT (any spelling), LERNER, VINESHTAYN (any spelling
variation)>> Labun and/or Starokonstantinov, Ukraine, possibly Poland
SMULOWITZ/SHMULOVICH>> Aleksandrovsk, Lithuania
MINSTER/MINSTERIS>>Plunge, Lithuania > Canada & USA

Subject: Re Schindler's list
From: "Sylvia" < sylviagee1066@... >
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:49:22 +1000
X-Message-Number: 2

I would like to know if anyone has done any follow up on survivors from
Schindler's list?
I am interested finding information on the following people:

HERZOG Estera 15.6.99 Metallarbeiterin
HERZOG Lea 12.12.22 Metallarbeiterin

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Sylvia Green (nee Herzog)
Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Schindler's list #general

Ruth <drwho70@...>
 

I, too, would like to know how to follow up on names >from the list.

For those who may not know where this list is, the following URL will
take you there.
http://www.schindlerslist.com/media/schndlersList.pdf


Ruth Grant, Maine
B'RAM/BARAM/BAR AM>> Labun, Ukraine> Haifa
FEIGENBLAT/FAJGENBLAT (any spelling), LERNER, VINESHTAYN (any spelling
variation)>> Labun and/or Starokonstantinov, Ukraine, possibly Poland
SMULOWITZ/SHMULOVICH>> Aleksandrovsk, Lithuania
MINSTER/MINSTERIS>>Plunge, Lithuania > Canada & USA

Subject: Re Schindler's list
From: "Sylvia" < sylviagee1066@... >
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:49:22 +1000
X-Message-Number: 2

I would like to know if anyone has done any follow up on survivors from
Schindler's list?
I am interested finding information on the following people:

HERZOG Estera 15.6.99 Metallarbeiterin
HERZOG Lea 12.12.22 Metallarbeiterin

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Sylvia Green (nee Herzog)
Australia


Ekaterinoslav Yiskor Book Underway #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

Dear Members,
We're ready to get the Ekaterinoslav Yiskor Book translated, & the sooner it
can go up on the web, the better - preferably before the 2005 Conference in
Las Vegas.

Hilary Henkin has accepted the role of coordinator, & would be thrilled to
hear >from willing volunteers! In her words:

"I have a copy of the whole book, and would be delighted to accept whatever
translations you're willing to [make]. There is only a single edition of
the book, >from 1972.
I have a couple of other researchers who are interested in translating also,
but no one has chosen their portion yet, so you may choose whichever section
interests you. I have attached images of the Table of Contents, which I do
not yet have translated. This would be a good place to start.
For us to accept the translation when you're done, we'll need you to
complete a "Volunteer Release" form, giving JewishGen the legal authority to
share the work. [The URL for volunteer agreements is
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/agree/volunteer.html . (We need 2 signed
copies >from each volunteer.)]
I look forward to your reply.

Regards,
Hilary Henkin
hilary@...
Atlanta, Georgia USA"


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ekaterinoslav Yiskor Book Underway #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

Dear Members,
We're ready to get the Ekaterinoslav Yiskor Book translated, & the sooner it
can go up on the web, the better - preferably before the 2005 Conference in
Las Vegas.

Hilary Henkin has accepted the role of coordinator, & would be thrilled to
hear >from willing volunteers! In her words:

"I have a copy of the whole book, and would be delighted to accept whatever
translations you're willing to [make]. There is only a single edition of
the book, >from 1972.
I have a couple of other researchers who are interested in translating also,
but no one has chosen their portion yet, so you may choose whichever section
interests you. I have attached images of the Table of Contents, which I do
not yet have translated. This would be a good place to start.
For us to accept the translation when you're done, we'll need you to
complete a "Volunteer Release" form, giving JewishGen the legal authority to
share the work. [The URL for volunteer agreements is
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/agree/volunteer.html . (We need 2 signed
copies >from each volunteer.)]
I look forward to your reply.

Regards,
Hilary Henkin
hilary@...
Atlanta, Georgia USA"


Re: KOPALOFF vs. KARPILOFF #general

Alexandra Alznauer <petiealznauer@...>
 

Yes, with many British accents KARPILOFF would be pronounced KOPILOFF. Even
in America, in Boston for instance or some areas of the South, KARP- would
come out KOP- (or more precisely KAH- or KA-).

When I lived in New Orleans I was friends with a KOPP family. At the time
it never occurred to me that they might have really been KARPs. (My
greatgrandmother was a KARP >from Seredzius, Lithuania - I believe the GARB
family on the Revision Lists may actually be her family. I am still looking
for confirming evidence of this and have now found in my mother's garage a
KARP family photo postcard >from Lithuania with a lengthy letter in Yiddish
on the back The only word in English on the back is "Raiseiniai", the name
of the Uezd and also a nearby town. I'm hoping to solve the mystery of the
KARP/GARB surname when this is postcard translated...but, of course, its a
long shot).

I think you are on the right track with your KARPILOFFs, Hilary. I hope you
are able to find the actual connection between you and this British family.

Good Luck!

Alexandra Alznauer
San Francisco, CA

From: Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>

My greatgrandfather was Meyer LAPIDUS. According to family stories, he had
a brother named Nachum KARPILOFF.

I was contacted by someone in England whose father was a LAPIDUS. As we
chatted, it turned out he had michpocha KOPALOFF.

We didn't find an immediate link, but as you can surmise, I'm convinced
that the dual surnames is more than coincidence -- but that's not my
question.

Taking into consideration the American and British accents, can anyone
hypothesize which KARPILOFF / KOPALOFF surname "begat" the other? Or the
origin of the name? Both families are >from the Ukraine - Mariupol area.

Regards,
Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia"


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: KOPALOFF vs. KARPILOFF #ukraine

Alexandra Alznauer <petiealznauer@...>
 

Yes, with many British accents KARPILOFF would be pronounced KOPILOFF. Even
in America, in Boston for instance or some areas of the South, KARP- would
come out KOP- (or more precisely KAH- or KA-).

When I lived in New Orleans I was friends with a KOPP family. At the time
it never occurred to me that they might have really been KARPs. (My
greatgrandmother was a KARP >from Seredzius, Lithuania - I believe the GARB
family on the Revision Lists may actually be her family. I am still looking
for confirming evidence of this and have now found in my mother's garage a
KARP family photo postcard >from Lithuania with a lengthy letter in Yiddish
on the back The only word in English on the back is "Raiseiniai", the name
of the Uezd and also a nearby town. I'm hoping to solve the mystery of the
KARP/GARB surname when this is postcard translated...but, of course, its a
long shot).

I think you are on the right track with your KARPILOFFs, Hilary. I hope you
are able to find the actual connection between you and this British family.

Good Luck!

Alexandra Alznauer
San Francisco, CA

From: Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>

My greatgrandfather was Meyer LAPIDUS. According to family stories, he had
a brother named Nachum KARPILOFF.

I was contacted by someone in England whose father was a LAPIDUS. As we
chatted, it turned out he had michpocha KOPALOFF.

We didn't find an immediate link, but as you can surmise, I'm convinced
that the dual surnames is more than coincidence -- but that's not my
question.

Taking into consideration the American and British accents, can anyone
hypothesize which KARPILOFF / KOPALOFF surname "begat" the other? Or the
origin of the name? Both families are >from the Ukraine - Mariupol area.

Regards,
Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia"


Re: Viewmate Printed Russian Translation #general

Alan <aNOhsSPAMsha@...>
 

You can find translations of these and other headings at

http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukrodess/page8.html

In article < 20050329044451.39756.qmail@... >,
jhp1963@... (Julian H. Preisler) wrote:

Dear Jewish Genners:
I have a copy of a page of headings >from a Russian Vital Records book and hope
that somone can translate the column headings for me. They are printed and
easy to read, that is if you read Russian. The document is posted at the
following JewishGen page:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5766

Would appreciate help >from anyone who can read Russian.

Thanks very much,

Julian H. Preisler
Falling Waters, West Virginia
--
Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
aNOhsSPAMsha@... (remove NO SPAM)

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Viewmate Printed Russian Translation #general

Alan <aNOhsSPAMsha@...>
 

You can find translations of these and other headings at

http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukrodess/page8.html

In article < 20050329044451.39756.qmail@... >,
jhp1963@... (Julian H. Preisler) wrote:

Dear Jewish Genners:
I have a copy of a page of headings >from a Russian Vital Records book and hope
that somone can translate the column headings for me. They are printed and
easy to read, that is if you read Russian. The document is posted at the
following JewishGen page:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5766

Would appreciate help >from anyone who can read Russian.

Thanks very much,

Julian H. Preisler
Falling Waters, West Virginia
--
Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
aNOhsSPAMsha@... (remove NO SPAM)

SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Re: Czar's Army & Czarina's Guard Records? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:45:03 UTC, claire.sztern@... (Claire Sztern)
opined:


Hello !

I'm wondering if a register of the Jews who were in the Czar's army exists, and
if yes where I could find it.
This name for the Russian army is the result of the difficulty of immigrants
with the English (or French) language, and therfore with translation >from
Russian. The name of the organization is "Tsarskaya Armiya", "Imperial
Army"; One would not call the French Army "the Presidents Army", it is the
Army of the Republic.

The answer to your question is "No". Some years ago, I tried the same tack
of investigation about my own grandfather. Fortunately, I was able to ask an
acquaintance who is a grandson of Nikita Khrushchev, and who inquired of
family friends who are retired officers of the Red Army; I think the answer
I got is authoritative. Records of enlisted men, i.e. not officers, were
spotty or non-existent. Whatever existed was destroyed, inadvertently or
otherwise, in the course of the October Revolution.

I don't know about the Tsaritsa's guard specifically. It was part of the
Imperial Army, and the same answer probably works for it too.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Czar's Army & Czarina's Guard Records? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:45:03 UTC, claire.sztern@... (Claire Sztern)
opined:


Hello !

I'm wondering if a register of the Jews who were in the Czar's army exists, and
if yes where I could find it.
This name for the Russian army is the result of the difficulty of immigrants
with the English (or French) language, and therfore with translation >from
Russian. The name of the organization is "Tsarskaya Armiya", "Imperial
Army"; One would not call the French Army "the Presidents Army", it is the
Army of the Republic.

The answer to your question is "No". Some years ago, I tried the same tack
of investigation about my own grandfather. Fortunately, I was able to ask an
acquaintance who is a grandson of Nikita Khrushchev, and who inquired of
family friends who are retired officers of the Red Army; I think the answer
I got is authoritative. Records of enlisted men, i.e. not officers, were
spotty or non-existent. Whatever existed was destroyed, inadvertently or
otherwise, in the course of the October Revolution.

I don't know about the Tsaritsa's guard specifically. It was part of the
Imperial Army, and the same answer probably works for it too.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


How to obtain a Birth certificate from Zeltingen-Rachtig Germany #general

Tuvia
 

Hello,

My Great Grandmother was born in Rachtig in 1871 (Johanna Moses), the
town in now named Zeltingen-Rachtig , where would I start to locate her
birth certificate?

I was fortunate enough to get her death certificate >from the cemetery where
she is buried, in Frankfurt au Main.

Thank you

Tuvia McKane
Greensboro, NC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How to obtain a Birth certificate from Zeltingen-Rachtig Germany #general

Tuvia
 

Hello,

My Great Grandmother was born in Rachtig in 1871 (Johanna Moses), the
town in now named Zeltingen-Rachtig , where would I start to locate her
birth certificate?

I was fortunate enough to get her death certificate >from the cemetery where
she is buried, in Frankfurt au Main.

Thank you

Tuvia McKane
Greensboro, NC


Registration card vs. marriage license #general

Trudy Barch
 

Hi genners,

I have recently been researching the WWI draft registration cards.

Can I use the birthdate information on the card as a primary source?
The censuses only estimate birth years and change with each census.
(very frustrating to say the least). My maternal grandfather's marriage
license >from Chicago in 1910 gives a different age and birthyear altogether.

Which is probably more accurate - registration card or the marriage license?


Thank you,

Trudy Barch
Homewood, Illinois (suburb of Chicago)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Registration card vs. marriage license #general

Trudy Barch
 

Hi genners,

I have recently been researching the WWI draft registration cards.

Can I use the birthdate information on the card as a primary source?
The censuses only estimate birth years and change with each census.
(very frustrating to say the least). My maternal grandfather's marriage
license >from Chicago in 1910 gives a different age and birthyear altogether.

Which is probably more accurate - registration card or the marriage license?


Thank you,

Trudy Barch
Homewood, Illinois (suburb of Chicago)


Re: Kitchener Internment Camp for Jewish Refugees in Kent #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

The internment camp concept was first realized under Lord Kitchener during
the Boer War in South Africa. In fact, very often internment camps since
that time have been called "Kitchener Camps" and were found in various
places in the British Empire.

This concept was expanded by the British government to include Jewish aliens
in both World War I and World War II. My grandfather was, in fact,
interned on the Isle of Man during WWI as he had not gained his British
citizenship at the time and had further served in Emperor Franz Josef's
Austro-Hungarian Army in the 1890's.

The Kitchener refugee camp in Richborough, Kent, England, was one of many
such camps in use during World War II in England. There are numerous
articles and books which discuss this subject and there are records to be
found in the Home Office. There are also memoires and collections to be
found in the Wiener Library and other places in England as well as the US
Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC.

The Kitchener refugee camp in Richborough, Kent, England, was a refugee camp
for German and Austrian aliens. A number of the refugees were able to stay
in the camp for a year or so and then obtain papers and emigrate to other
countries such as America. Children >from the kindertransports were also
sent there.

It was a somewhat incongruous policy of the British government and a defect
in their alien laws which caused them to intern the Jews as enemy aliens
when they were actually the victims of the Nazis.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Kitchener Internment Camp for Jewish Refugees in Kent #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

The internment camp concept was first realized under Lord Kitchener during
the Boer War in South Africa. In fact, very often internment camps since
that time have been called "Kitchener Camps" and were found in various
places in the British Empire.

This concept was expanded by the British government to include Jewish aliens
in both World War I and World War II. My grandfather was, in fact,
interned on the Isle of Man during WWI as he had not gained his British
citizenship at the time and had further served in Emperor Franz Josef's
Austro-Hungarian Army in the 1890's.

The Kitchener refugee camp in Richborough, Kent, England, was one of many
such camps in use during World War II in England. There are numerous
articles and books which discuss this subject and there are records to be
found in the Home Office. There are also memoires and collections to be
found in the Wiener Library and other places in England as well as the US
Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC.

The Kitchener refugee camp in Richborough, Kent, England, was a refugee camp
for German and Austrian aliens. A number of the refugees were able to stay
in the camp for a year or so and then obtain papers and emigrate to other
countries such as America. Children >from the kindertransports were also
sent there.

It was a somewhat incongruous policy of the British government and a defect
in their alien laws which caused them to intern the Jews as enemy aliens
when they were actually the victims of the Nazis.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Re: Kitchener Internment Camp for Jews in Kent #general

NFatouros@...
 

On Mar. 29, 05, Chantal Auerbach (chantal.auerbach@...) wrote:

<< Would anyone be able to tell me if there is any resource that one can go to, to
find details of internees at the above camp? >>

I have done various searches via the internet and I have drawn a blank.

I did a very quick google search using the terms "Kitchener Kent Jews" and
almost instantly turned up:

http://www.archives.lib.soton.ac.uk/guide/MS116-1-25.shtml

where it says that in the Special Collections of the University of
Southhampton there are copies of the "Kitcherner Camp Review," the Journal of the
Kitchener Camp for Refugees at Richborough, near Sandwich, Kent, March-November
1939.

The listings at the above Southampton Library's special collections website
also show that there are quite a few documents, letters, etc., concerning
Jews, although the entry for the Kitchchener camp doesn't specify "Jews" but only
"refugees."

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Again re Kitchener Camp near Kent #general

NFatouros@...
 

After I sent my response regarding Ms.Auerbach's inquiry about the
Kitchener Camp for Refugees I couldn't resist doing a bit more poking around on the
internet. I learned that at the Southhampton Library's special collections
there are family papers and documents of Rabbi Dr. Werner Van der Zyl, born in
Schwerte in 1902.

and also, at the website of a document seller, there is being offered for
sale an airmail letter to a Samuel Neumann who was a Jewish refugee >from Vienna
sheltered at the Kitchener Camp. The Camp, according to the seller'entry for
this item, is said to have been jokingly referred to as "Anglo-Sachsenhausen."

I wonder whether Ms. Auerbach can travel >from London, where she resides, to
the Southhampton Library in order to do research there. Maybe she can find
the information she seeks perusing through its collection of the Kitchener Camp
Journals.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev, Kie
v;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Yet again re Kitchener Camp #general

NFatouros@...
 

Adding to my previous responses to Chantal Auerbach's inquiry, I refer her to:

http://jewishwebindex.com/britishempire.htm

where she can read a three-paragraph description of the Camp Kitchener,
which was previously known as "Richborough camp." It was transformed in 1939 as an
emergency home for 300 German refugees. The camp's population reached
3,500...

It always astonishes me how many things can be found on the Internet. It also
astonishing that through the Internet a number of people interested in my
family or in my father's architectural accomplishments have found and written to
me!

No matter what search engines you use, just keep playing around with your
search terms, everybody. Maybe you will be happily surprised too.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Kitchener Internment Camp for Jews in Kent #general

NFatouros@...
 

On Mar. 29, 05, Chantal Auerbach (chantal.auerbach@...) wrote:

<< Would anyone be able to tell me if there is any resource that one can go to, to
find details of internees at the above camp? >>

I have done various searches via the internet and I have drawn a blank.

I did a very quick google search using the terms "Kitchener Kent Jews" and
almost instantly turned up:

http://www.archives.lib.soton.ac.uk/guide/MS116-1-25.shtml

where it says that in the Special Collections of the University of
Southhampton there are copies of the "Kitcherner Camp Review," the Journal of the
Kitchener Camp for Refugees at Richborough, near Sandwich, Kent, March-November
1939.

The listings at the above Southampton Library's special collections website
also show that there are quite a few documents, letters, etc., concerning
Jews, although the entry for the Kitchchener camp doesn't specify "Jews" but only
"refugees."

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.