hello Robert

in your letter >from the 2 May you mention family KEILMAN my father
sister Masha LISHAUER married in 4.1.1941 Aaron KEILMAN they married
in Libau (Liepaja).
This KEILMAN origin is >from Skudas Lithuania do you think there is
family connection between the mention family with those mention in
your letter

best regards

Avi Lishower
Ashdod Israel

At 08:00 03/05/05, you wrote:
Subject: HOLL=C4NDER and ZINNEMANN family >from Mitau/Jelgava?
From: =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3D22Robert_Alexander_Ren=3DE9_Dupuis=3D22?=3D=

<Rob.Dup.@gmx.de>

Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:46:14 +0200 (MEST)

... snip...
Alexander ben Nathan HOLL=C4NDER was married with Karoline/Kreine/
Isaakovna KEILMANN (b. 1844 in Riga; daughter of the career Isaak ben Feibus
KEILMANN and Jette Hinde COHN) on June 10, 1873 in Riga.
Karoline KEILMANN was the youngest sister of my late great-greatgrandfather
the concillour of state and knight Dr.med. Philipp Isaakovitsch KEILMANN <.
...snip...

hello Robert

in your letter >from the 2 May you mention family KEILMAN my father
sister Masha LISHAUER married in 4.1.1941 Aaron KEILMAN they married
in Libau (Liepaja).
This KEILMAN origin is >from Skudas Lithuania do you think there is
family connection between the mention family with those mention in
your letter

best regards

Avi Lishower
Ashdod Israel

At 08:00 03/05/05, you wrote:
Subject: HOLL=C4NDER and ZINNEMANN family >from Mitau/Jelgava?
From: =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?=3D22Robert_Alexander_Ren=3DE9_Dupuis=3D22?=3D=

<Rob.Dup.@gmx.de>

Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:46:14 +0200 (MEST)

... snip...
Alexander ben Nathan HOLL=C4NDER was married with Karoline/Kreine/
Isaakovna KEILMANN (b. 1844 in Riga; daughter of the career Isaak ben Feibus
KEILMANN and Jette Hinde COHN) on June 10, 1873 in Riga.
Karoline KEILMANN was the youngest sister of my late great-greatgrandfather
the concillour of state and knight Dr.med. Philipp Isaakovitsch KEILMANN <.
...snip...

Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:46:49 +0200

Shalom all readers

I am searching for living relative of the Lishauer (also spelt Lischauer) from
Libau( Liepaja) Latvia according family tradition 4 children of Noch LISHAUER
emigrated to 3 places Canada ; U.S.A and south Africa in the 1890s' after
emigrated to Anglo-Saxon countries There is a tradition in my family that their
surname was changed to LEWIS , but I am not sure if anyone really knows.

I should be very grateful for any clues, or suggestions where to look next,

from anyone.

thanks

Avi Lishower
Ashdod Israel
phone no 972-8-8553846

Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:46:49 +0200

Shalom all readers

I am searching for living relative of the Lishauer (also spelt Lischauer) from
Libau( Liepaja) Latvia according family tradition 4 children of Noch LISHAUER
emigrated to 3 places Canada ; U.S.A and south Africa in the 1890s' after
emigrated to Anglo-Saxon countries There is a tradition in my family that their
surname was changed to LEWIS , but I am not sure if anyone really knows.

I should be very grateful for any clues, or suggestions where to look next,

from anyone.

thanks

Avi Lishower
Ashdod Israel
phone no 972-8-8553846

It may of interest to all the Genners to know that the
College of Charleston has a big Center for Jewish
Studies with connection to the Jewish Historical
Society of SC.As far as I recall they also have a lot
of publications which contain chunks of genealogical
value.Charleston is one of the oldest Jewish
communities in the New World.One of the oldest
synagogues,actually a Temple >from the 18th century is
still in use.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

It may of interest to all the Genners to know that the
College of Charleston has a big Center for Jewish
Studies with connection to the Jewish Historical
Society of SC.As far as I recall they also have a lot
of publications which contain chunks of genealogical
value.Charleston is one of the oldest Jewish
communities in the New World.One of the oldest
synagogues,actually a Temple >from the 18th century is
still in use.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Thanks to the many people who responded here and privately to my message.

Indeed, I now know, or have at least been exposed to, more about
Bukovina/Bukowina than I ever imagined possible ...

To round out the story for anyone who is interested, there are numerous
Catholic and, I belive, Lutherans, with the name "Kolnik" in Hrachoviste, a
village near Bratislava and Nitra, in Slovakia. It seems likely, but I have
not (yet) proven, that either an origianl Kolnik who was Jewish wne tnorth
east into Bukovina and then to "Poland" (today's Belarus) to the area
between Pinsk and Minsk, or vice versa - migrated >from there to Slovakia.

I had been confused, because Artur Kolnik, a painter of shtetl life, was
variously cited as coming >from Stanislavov, Bukovina, Czernowitz, and
Romania. The SIG helped me clear this up, as described below:

Artur Kolnik was born in Stanislavov, in what was apparently part of the
Austro-Hungarian empire (today it's in the Ukraine, and has been renamed
Ivano-Frankivsk. (See http://www.kyivweekly.com/english/article/?484).
He moved to Czernowitz, the capital of Bukovina, in 1918 (probably something
to do with WWI). It turns out that in 1919, as part of the reshaping of the
borders after WWI, Czernowitz, in Bukovina, and the Bukovina area was given
to Romania in 1919.

So, that clears up another part of the Kolnik story - there was not some
ancestral group in Romania named Kolnik (although the Bukovina history on
Jewish Gen provides thorough evidence that many Jews actually were early
settlers in what is today Romania in Roman time after the destruction of the
Temple, so who knows???) - Arthur Kolnik just happened to move to a place
that was handed over to Romania, and was originally part of the same general
area as Hrachoviste (Slovakia/Hungary/Bukovina etc.).

Rgds
Alan Kolnik

Remove add-an-n-before-the-dot- and add an "n" after "verizo" to the
address below:
alan.kolnik@add-an-n-before-the-dot-verizo.net

Thanks to the many people who responded here and privately to my message.

Indeed, I now know, or have at least been exposed to, more about
Bukovina/Bukowina than I ever imagined possible ...

To round out the story for anyone who is interested, there are numerous
Catholic and, I belive, Lutherans, with the name "Kolnik" in Hrachoviste, a
village near Bratislava and Nitra, in Slovakia. It seems likely, but I have
not (yet) proven, that either an origianl Kolnik who was Jewish wne tnorth
east into Bukovina and then to "Poland" (today's Belarus) to the area
between Pinsk and Minsk, or vice versa - migrated >from there to Slovakia.

I had been confused, because Artur Kolnik, a painter of shtetl life, was
variously cited as coming >from Stanislavov, Bukovina, Czernowitz, and
Romania. The SIG helped me clear this up, as described below:

Artur Kolnik was born in Stanislavov, in what was apparently part of the
Austro-Hungarian empire (today it's in the Ukraine, and has been renamed
Ivano-Frankivsk. (See http://www.kyivweekly.com/english/article/?484).
He moved to Czernowitz, the capital of Bukovina, in 1918 (probably something
to do with WWI). It turns out that in 1919, as part of the reshaping of the
borders after WWI, Czernowitz, in Bukovina, and the Bukovina area was given
to Romania in 1919.

So, that clears up another part of the Kolnik story - there was not some
ancestral group in Romania named Kolnik (although the Bukovina history on
Jewish Gen provides thorough evidence that many Jews actually were early
settlers in what is today Romania in Roman time after the destruction of the
Temple, so who knows???) - Arthur Kolnik just happened to move to a place
that was handed over to Romania, and was originally part of the same general
area as Hrachoviste (Slovakia/Hungary/Bukovina etc.).

Rgds
Alan Kolnik

Remove add-an-n-before-the-dot- and add an "n" after "verizo" to the
address below:
alan.kolnik@add-an-n-before-the-dot-verizo.net

Dear genners,
An addendum to the Horowitz bakery post: I ask the question if my
BASSEIN family is realted to the HOROWITZ family of the HOROWITZ
MARGARETEN bakery because my great grandfather worked in a family
bakery in Minsk and New York, was known for his matzoh, and the maiden
name of his wife, my great grandmother, was HOROWITZ. Sorry for the
ommission.
Miriam Camitta
Wynnewood, PA

Dear genners,
An addendum to the Horowitz bakery post: I ask the question if my
BASSEIN family is realted to the HOROWITZ family of the HOROWITZ
MARGARETEN bakery because my great grandfather worked in a family
bakery in Minsk and New York, was known for his matzoh, and the maiden
name of his wife, my great grandmother, was HOROWITZ. Sorry for the
ommission.
Miriam Camitta
Wynnewood, PA

There's a guy who I think is a Doctor in NY whose father was the only
survivor of the Jewish family that owned the Pope's home in Wadowice.

Tilford Bartman www.zabludow.com


Grf100@aol.com wrote:

I was reading an article about the Pope and noticed there is an Israeli

There's a guy who I think is a Doctor in NY whose father was the only
survivor of the Jewish family that owned the Pope's home in Wadowice.

Tilford Bartman www.zabludow.com


Grf100@aol.com wrote:

I was reading an article about the Pope and noticed there is an Israeli

Nachum Tchernowitz, National Supervisor in the field of Heritage for the
Israel Ministry of Education, will be our guest lecturer. In recent years
the Minstry of Education has implemented a project called "Young
Researchers" in the high schools and junior high schools. In the framework
of this project the students research their family and community heritage.
There are many stages to the project which is composed of many components. .
At the end of the project, a "Family Book" is produced. It is fascinating
and exciting, and in many instances many members of the same family meet in
a way they have never met before. A slide show will accompany the
explanations.

The meeting will take place on Monday May 9, 2005 at Beit Hatanach, 16
Rothschild Blvd. Tel-Aviv, at 19:00. The meeting will be in Hebrew. 20
shekel entrance fee for non-members. You are cordially invited to use our
library which is open >from 18:00-19:00, and consult other members about your
genealogy quests.

Our effort of help to all those >from abroad looking for submitters >from
Israel of Pages of Testimonies at Yad Vashem is a very exciting project. We
have received many emotional letters telling us of families (usually second
and third cousins) we have succeeded in reuniting. We update our list
continually. Please help us help others. Those lines that are white are the
lines that may you can help us with.
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/Research/VY-search-Israel.pdf

We have a number of new projects we have initiated since the conference in
July. You can see the list at
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/INF/projects.html

Volunteers are needed to help translate the 1922-3 census of Petach Tikvah

from Hebrew to English. If you are interested in volunteering please contact

rosef@post.tau.ac.il

If you are a member of IGS and have written a book dealing with genealogy or
have a homepage, please let us know so we can add you to our website.
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/BIB/BksMembers.html
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/INF/MemberPg.html

For further information you can contact: Rose Feldman at:
rosef@post.tau.ac.il or at: 03- 641 3856 in the evenings.

The Israel Genealogy Society
igs@isragen.org.il
www.isragen.org.il
P.O.Box 4270 Jerusalem 91041
Chana Furman ehfurman@netvision.net.il Phone: (972) (8) 688 0884

Upcoming meetings

June 6, 2005: "How a Good Genealogy Program Helps You in Your Research" or
"How to Put Together, Organize, Chart, and Record Your Family Tree /
Creating a Graphic Representation"

July 11, 2005: IGS Tel-Aviv Branch & SIG Sepharadim - "Behmoiras: A Jewish
Family Name That Will Soon Disappear"

Nachum Tchernowitz, National Supervisor in the field of Heritage for the
Israel Ministry of Education, will be our guest lecturer. In recent years
the Minstry of Education has implemented a project called "Young
Researchers" in the high schools and junior high schools. In the framework
of this project the students research their family and community heritage.
There are many stages to the project which is composed of many components. .
At the end of the project, a "Family Book" is produced. It is fascinating
and exciting, and in many instances many members of the same family meet in
a way they have never met before. A slide show will accompany the
explanations.

The meeting will take place on Monday May 9, 2005 at Beit Hatanach, 16
Rothschild Blvd. Tel-Aviv, at 19:00. The meeting will be in Hebrew. 20
shekel entrance fee for non-members. You are cordially invited to use our
library which is open >from 18:00-19:00, and consult other members about your
genealogy quests.

Our effort of help to all those >from abroad looking for submitters >from
Israel of Pages of Testimonies at Yad Vashem is a very exciting project. We
have received many emotional letters telling us of families (usually second
and third cousins) we have succeeded in reuniting. We update our list
continually. Please help us help others. Those lines that are white are the
lines that may you can help us with.
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/Research/VY-search-Israel.pdf

We have a number of new projects we have initiated since the conference in
July. You can see the list at
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/INF/projects.html

Volunteers are needed to help translate the 1922-3 census of Petach Tikvah

from Hebrew to English. If you are interested in volunteering please contact

rosef@post.tau.ac.il

If you are a member of IGS and have written a book dealing with genealogy or
have a homepage, please let us know so we can add you to our website.
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/BIB/BksMembers.html
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/INF/MemberPg.html

For further information you can contact: Rose Feldman at:
rosef@post.tau.ac.il or at: 03- 641 3856 in the evenings.

The Israel Genealogy Society
igs@isragen.org.il
www.isragen.org.il
P.O.Box 4270 Jerusalem 91041
Chana Furman ehfurman@netvision.net.il Phone: (972) (8) 688 0884

Upcoming meetings

June 6, 2005: "How a Good Genealogy Program Helps You in Your Research" or
"How to Put Together, Organize, Chart, and Record Your Family Tree /
Creating a Graphic Representation"

July 11, 2005: IGS Tel-Aviv Branch & SIG Sepharadim - "Behmoiras: A Jewish
Family Name That Will Soon Disappear"

Re: Eggs, Salt water and Kneidlach - Pessach style!

To all Litvaksig members who were kind enough
to reply to my message about Kneidlach and Egg
and salt water, many thanks. The response in one
day has been been great.

Here is a very interesting site that should solve all
questions that one may have with regard to this particular
"Chag" i.e. Holiday.

Sephardic and Ashkenazic Passover Differences
http://2-passover.tripod.com/sephardicandashkenazicpassover.html

Thanks to Oscar Friedman, a fellow Israeli for
providing the website information.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il

Re: Eggs, Salt water and Kneidlach - Pessach style!

To all Litvaksig members who were kind enough
to reply to my message about Kneidlach and Egg
and salt water, many thanks. The response in one
day has been been great.

Here is a very interesting site that should solve all
questions that one may have with regard to this particular
"Chag" i.e. Holiday.

Sephardic and Ashkenazic Passover Differences
http://2-passover.tripod.com/sephardicandashkenazicpassover.html

Thanks to Oscar Friedman, a fellow Israeli for
providing the website information.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il

At 08:00 03-05-2005, Steven Weiss wrote:

I entered "Lithuania" as a search term on the following database and the
following results were produced.

Steven, I don't think that you will get a complete picture, because
most people's birthplaces, like my grandfather's, are not
listed as Lithuania, just the place name, and not very correct either.

My grandfather was born in Sakiai, which is mostly written
Shaki or Szaki, but which he wrote as Schaky, (more in
tune with the German version of Schaken).
In this database it is rendered as "Schaijk"...

:-)
take care
micha

____________________
Micha Reisel, Hod Hasharon, Israel
Vice president of JFRA
the Jewish Family Research Association of Israel

At 08:00 03-05-2005, Steven Weiss wrote:

I entered "Lithuania" as a search term on the following database and the
following results were produced.

Steven, I don't think that you will get a complete picture, because
most people's birthplaces, like my grandfather's, are not
listed as Lithuania, just the place name, and not very correct either.

My grandfather was born in Sakiai, which is mostly written
Shaki or Szaki, but which he wrote as Schaky, (more in
tune with the German version of Schaken).
In this database it is rendered as "Schaijk"...

:-)
take care
micha

____________________
Micha Reisel, Hod Hasharon, Israel
Vice president of JFRA
the Jewish Family Research Association of Israel

I am looking for someone to voluneteer in translating some Yiddish Poetry
books written in the early 1900's by my great grandfather,Pinkus Goodman
(Pinkus Guttman), who was born in Lodz Pabianice in Poland and settled
in Paterson New Jersey around the turn of the century.

He had three sons and two daughters. His sons wsere David, Louis, and
Max >from his second marriage, and Ann Janowitz Korn and Rose Janowitz
(sisters married brothers), both lived and grew up in Paterson,
New Jersey.

I would send you photo copies that you could write on as you found the
time to translate them.

Thanks.

Robin Krout

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

I am looking for someone to voluneteer in translating some Yiddish Poetry
books written in the early 1900's by my great grandfather,Pinkus Goodman
(Pinkus Guttman), who was born in Lodz Pabianice in Poland and settled
in Paterson New Jersey around the turn of the century.

He had three sons and two daughters. His sons wsere David, Louis, and
Max >from his second marriage, and Ann Janowitz Korn and Rose Janowitz
(sisters married brothers), both lived and grew up in Paterson,
New Jersey.

I would send you photo copies that you could write on as you found the
time to translate them.

Thanks.

Robin Krout

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.