In article <1115118603.42775c0ba52e5@web.mail.umich.edu>,
<jscohen@umich.edu> wrote:

I am looking for the origins of the name Yvonne. Is it a common
Jewish name or is there a Jewish male or female equivalent?
Thanks for your help.

It's not particularly Jewish, although I have known several Jews
with that name. Yvonne is the feminine version of the French name
Yvon, which is a form of Yves.

The popularity of the name Yvonne, I suspect, owes something to
the actresses Yvonne Arnaud and Yvonne De Carlo.

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada

In article <1115118603.42775c0ba52e5@web.mail.umich.edu>,
<jscohen@umich.edu> wrote:

I am looking for the origins of the name Yvonne. Is it a common
Jewish name or is there a Jewish male or female equivalent?
Thanks for your help.

It's not particularly Jewish, although I have known several Jews
with that name. Yvonne is the feminine version of the French name
Yvon, which is a form of Yves.

The popularity of the name Yvonne, I suspect, owes something to
the actresses Yvonne Arnaud and Yvonne De Carlo.

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada

In a message dated 5/1/2005 9:37:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
NJ55TURTLE@aol.com writes:

Having not found this ABERBACH family using the spelling >from the ship's
manifest, could it have been misspelled and the correct spelling is AUERBACH
or one of its variants?

If you have this ABERBACH/AUERBACH family in your tree, or even
the other three families, would you contact me privately. >

==The Auerbachs take their name originally >from one or another German town
named Auerbach. In other countries the spellings were occasionally changed to
Averbach, Aberbach, etc. I think that Avrach (which means "young man" in
either Hebrew or Aramaic) is sometimes another variant of Auerbach.

Michael Bernet, New York

In a message dated 5/1/2005 9:37:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
NJ55TURTLE@aol.com writes:

Having not found this ABERBACH family using the spelling >from the ship's
manifest, could it have been misspelled and the correct spelling is AUERBACH
or one of its variants?

If you have this ABERBACH/AUERBACH family in your tree, or even
the other three families, would you contact me privately. >

==The Auerbachs take their name originally >from one or another German town
named Auerbach. In other countries the spellings were occasionally changed to
Averbach, Aberbach, etc. I think that Avrach (which means "young man" in
either Hebrew or Aramaic) is sometimes another variant of Auerbach.

Michael Bernet, New York

I have to confess that I am going "bananas about
Blattna". Why should that be? I had never thought
about Blattna before.

Joe Lonstein [I have his permission to quote] asked me
to trace his family >from Blattna in the 1793 census.
Family members [POLLAK and NEUMANN] had married, lived
and died there in the mid 1800s and some had moved
onto Vienna. Were they already there in 1793?

I waded in enthusiastically and yes, Blattna is listed
in the Prachiner Kreis, Okr. Strakonice.

Read about the town and its imposing castle here:
http://tinyurl.com/772r5

The Herrschaft is called Blattna [Blatna] - and the
location is Blattna Schloss. 3 unnamed Jewish
families are listed as Schutzjuden in this Herrschaft.
Yet I cannot find Blattna in the census. It has
disappeared.

Could it have been forgotten by the current compilers
or has the original census of this little settlement
disappeared? I have looked and looked but cannot find
it. Nor does there seem to be a mention to this
mystery in the introduction to Vol III of the 1793
census transcription.

The other possibility is that the three families moved
out and are living in other areas of Bohemia. I have
searched all the 16 indices and they are not there.

They could be "living it up" in Prague, but as this
volume is not yet published I cannot confirm this
either. Alternatively, thay may have moved to Moravia
or to another country; if so, I doubt we will ever
find out. There are three clues:

Salamon FISCHEL, the third son of Jakob FISCHEL of Gut
Tscimmeltz, Prachiner Kreis is listed in the
Tschimmeltz census as being a Knecht [servant] in
Blattna. Does that mean he has been left behind to
lead a lonely existence as the only Jew in Blattna to
look after the empty properties and feed the pets?

The second clue could be the change of ownership of
the castle and its English park around about the time
of the 1793 census [see url about the history of
Blattna]

The last clue is in Hugo Gold's "The Jews of Bohemia",
there is an chapter about Blattna, by Fachlehrer - Jan
KARA. Unfortunately, it is in Czech.

Obviously by the 20th century there were Jews living
in Blattna and the "town" even had a rabbi Isidor
BECK, 1895-1911. There is a Salomon NEUMANN mentioned
in 1911-1926 - perhaps a relative of Joe's?

The Jewish population appeared to peak at 107 in 1890
and dipped to 83 in 1900 [as I do not read Czech this
may refer to families not individuals].

KARA lists very few names in the 1600s and early
1700s. Tantalizingly, he discusses an Abraham VOTICKY
in 1793 and there is some mention of a house. As I am
interested in all early WOTTITZ and related names* I
wonder if his can be one of the families that have
abandoned Blattna? Could he be one of my forebears?

If there is anyone who has access to this Hugo Gold
volume and reads Czech - I would be grateful for an
explanation of the ghost town of Blattna in 1793.

But back to the present - tragically there are over 50
holocaust victims with Blattna connections on Yad
Vashem: http://www.yadvashem.org/

One family SABATH was virtually wiped out. Their
mother was Resi NEUMANN: Wilma HIRSCH nee SABATH was
born in Blattna on 16.6.1879 to Moritz SABATH and Resi
[nee NEUMANN]. She was married to Hugo HIRSCH. She
lived in Vienna and was murdered in Auschwitz. The
testimony is interesting - she was the niece of
Congressman Sabath**. Sadly, Wilma may be a link for
Joe. Her brothers were David [8.10.1890], a
"Viehhandler" [livestock dealer] in Leningrad and
Samuel [5.6.1889], a physician in Poland and sisters
Paula NEUMANN [2.10.1880] and Helene SABATH
[3.4.1893].

The testimonials were given in 1969 by their Aunt Else
SEIDMANN of NY. Unfortunately they are not linked on
the site and I have sent in a correction.

Then here is a definite holocaust link to Joe's family

from Blattna and Vienna: Theresa SCHEREK nee NEUMANN

[25.6.1882] - mother Eleanor POLLAK-NEUMANN
[1846-1932], father Moses NEUMANN [1844-1886], with a
testimonial >from her daughter in the US. Joe has
written about Eleanor and Moritz [Moses] in his
posting of 31 Jan 2005 [see our message archives];
they are his gt-gt grandparents.

I started this posting by saying I was going "bananas
about Blattna" but now as I sign off, the truth is I
am in mourning for this tragic little town and all its
victims. We remember them all here today.

Celia Male [UK]

* my maternal gt-grandfather was Gustav WOTTITZ
[1.5.1841 Pressburg - 13.12. 1919 Vienna], buried in
Doblingerfriedhof - his parents were Leopold WOTTITZ
[born ca 1810] married to Charlotte LOWY, both from
Pressburg and presumed to be buried there.

** Adolph Joachim SABATH, a Democratic Congressman
Illinois; born Zabori, Bohemia, 4.4.1866; attended
school in Zabori, emigrated to the U.S in 1881 and
settled in Chicago; died Bethesda, 6.11.1952.
Supported foundation of the Czechoslovak Republic in
1918 - see:

http://www.graveyards.com/foresthome/sabath.html

I have to confess that I am going "bananas about
Blattna". Why should that be? I had never thought
about Blattna before.

Joe Lonstein [I have his permission to quote] asked me
to trace his family >from Blattna in the 1793 census.
Family members [POLLAK and NEUMANN] had married, lived
and died there in the mid 1800s and some had moved
onto Vienna. Were they already there in 1793?

I waded in enthusiastically and yes, Blattna is listed
in the Prachiner Kreis, Okr. Strakonice.

Read about the town and its imposing castle here:
http://tinyurl.com/772r5

The Herrschaft is called Blattna [Blatna] - and the
location is Blattna Schloss. 3 unnamed Jewish
families are listed as Schutzjuden in this Herrschaft.
Yet I cannot find Blattna in the census. It has
disappeared.

Could it have been forgotten by the current compilers
or has the original census of this little settlement
disappeared? I have looked and looked but cannot find
it. Nor does there seem to be a mention to this
mystery in the introduction to Vol III of the 1793
census transcription.

The other possibility is that the three families moved
out and are living in other areas of Bohemia. I have
searched all the 16 indices and they are not there.

They could be "living it up" in Prague, but as this
volume is not yet published I cannot confirm this
either. Alternatively, thay may have moved to Moravia
or to another country; if so, I doubt we will ever
find out. There are three clues:

Salamon FISCHEL, the third son of Jakob FISCHEL of Gut
Tscimmeltz, Prachiner Kreis is listed in the
Tschimmeltz census as being a Knecht [servant] in
Blattna. Does that mean he has been left behind to
lead a lonely existence as the only Jew in Blattna to
look after the empty properties and feed the pets?

The second clue could be the change of ownership of
the castle and its English park around about the time
of the 1793 census [see url about the history of
Blattna]

The last clue is in Hugo Gold's "The Jews of Bohemia",
there is an chapter about Blattna, by Fachlehrer - Jan
KARA. Unfortunately, it is in Czech.

Obviously by the 20th century there were Jews living
in Blattna and the "town" even had a rabbi Isidor
BECK, 1895-1911. There is a Salomon NEUMANN mentioned
in 1911-1926 - perhaps a relative of Joe's?

The Jewish population appeared to peak at 107 in 1890
and dipped to 83 in 1900 [as I do not read Czech this
may refer to families not individuals].

KARA lists very few names in the 1600s and early
1700s. Tantalizingly, he discusses an Abraham VOTICKY
in 1793 and there is some mention of a house. As I am
interested in all early WOTTITZ and related names* I
wonder if his can be one of the families that have
abandoned Blattna? Could he be one of my forebears?

If there is anyone who has access to this Hugo Gold
volume and reads Czech - I would be grateful for an
explanation of the ghost town of Blattna in 1793.

But back to the present - tragically there are over 50
holocaust victims with Blattna connections on Yad
Vashem: http://www.yadvashem.org/

One family SABATH was virtually wiped out. Their
mother was Resi NEUMANN: Wilma HIRSCH nee SABATH was
born in Blattna on 16.6.1879 to Moritz SABATH and Resi
[nee NEUMANN]. She was married to Hugo HIRSCH. She
lived in Vienna and was murdered in Auschwitz. The
testimony is interesting - she was the niece of
Congressman Sabath**. Sadly, Wilma may be a link for
Joe. Her brothers were David [8.10.1890], a
"Viehhandler" [livestock dealer] in Leningrad and
Samuel [5.6.1889], a physician in Poland and sisters
Paula NEUMANN [2.10.1880] and Helene SABATH
[3.4.1893].

The testimonials were given in 1969 by their Aunt Else
SEIDMANN of NY. Unfortunately they are not linked on
the site and I have sent in a correction.

Then here is a definite holocaust link to Joe's family

from Blattna and Vienna: Theresa SCHEREK nee NEUMANN

[25.6.1882] - mother Eleanor POLLAK-NEUMANN
[1846-1932], father Moses NEUMANN [1844-1886], with a
testimonial >from her daughter in the US. Joe has
written about Eleanor and Moritz [Moses] in his
posting of 31 Jan 2005 [see our message archives];
they are his gt-gt grandparents.

I started this posting by saying I was going "bananas
about Blattna" but now as I sign off, the truth is I
am in mourning for this tragic little town and all its
victims. We remember them all here today.

Celia Male [UK]

* my maternal gt-grandfather was Gustav WOTTITZ
[1.5.1841 Pressburg - 13.12. 1919 Vienna], buried in
Doblingerfriedhof - his parents were Leopold WOTTITZ
[born ca 1810] married to Charlotte LOWY, both from
Pressburg and presumed to be buried there.

** Adolph Joachim SABATH, a Democratic Congressman
Illinois; born Zabori, Bohemia, 4.4.1866; attended
school in Zabori, emigrated to the U.S in 1881 and
settled in Chicago; died Bethesda, 6.11.1952.
Supported foundation of the Czechoslovak Republic in
1918 - see:

http://www.graveyards.com/foresthome/sabath.html

I has recently come to our attention that new subscribers to our SIG have not been
receiving our welcome message, possibly going back to the date we changed the SIG
name >from Bohemia-Moravia to Austria-Czech. The problem has been fixed, so new
members joining will receive the message properly, but in the interim, I have no
idea how many people did not receive it (only two people contacted me asking
about it). So, just to ensure that people who have joined in recent months have
a copy, I am pasting the text of the Welcome message below. As a matter of fact,
the message has been revised periodically, so it would be a good idea for all
our members to have a look at the message and save it for future reference.

Sharla Levine
Austria-Czech SIG Coordinator

WELCOME to the Austria-Czech SIG

Thank you for your interest in the Austria-Czech SIG, and welcome
aboard! We hope you will SAVE this document for future reference
about our group, and about how to manage your subscription to this
mailing list.

The purpose of our group is to serve as a clearinghouse for Jewish
genealogical and historical information relating to Jewish communities
in the areas formerly known as Bohemia and Moravia (most of this area
is today the Czech Republic) and Austria (especially Vienna, where so
many Bohemian and Moravian Jews migrated in the 19th century). For Slovakian
and Hungarian genealogy, please subscribe to the Hungarian-SIG. For Galician
genealogy, please subscribe to the Galicia-SIG. For German genealogy,
please subscribe to the German-Jewish-SIG.

Sharing of research resources and advice are the focus of our
discussion group. We would also like to gather information about
life in Bohemia, Moravia, and Austria and make it available on-line to those
who are interested. We are collecting information of genealogical
and historical interest, including but not limited to photographs,
business and residential directories, census lists, property owners'
lists, tax rolls, original manuscripts, and translations >from Yizkor
Books.

For all of you researching Austria, Bohemia and Moravia (Czech Republic),
please visit the Austria-Czech Special Interest Group web site at
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech. The page is updated regularly and
contains lots of resources including:

Getting Started With Czech-Jewish Genealogy
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/czechguide.html

Beginner's Guide to Austrian-Jewish Genealogy
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ausguide.htm

GemeindeView
The beginnings of a web-based encyclopedia commemorating all of the Jewish
communities that once existed in the Bohemia-Moravia region.
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/gemeinde.htm

For questions about how to submit materials for our website or
GemeindeView project, please contact our webmaster at austriaczechsig@yahoo.com.

For administrative questions about the mailing list, please contact the group's
coordinator, Sharla Levine, at austriaczech@comcast.net

For messages of general interest to the entire group, or questions
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I has recently come to our attention that new subscribers to our SIG have not been
receiving our welcome message, possibly going back to the date we changed the SIG
name >from Bohemia-Moravia to Austria-Czech. The problem has been fixed, so new
members joining will receive the message properly, but in the interim, I have no
idea how many people did not receive it (only two people contacted me asking
about it). So, just to ensure that people who have joined in recent months have
a copy, I am pasting the text of the Welcome message below. As a matter of fact,
the message has been revised periodically, so it would be a good idea for all
our members to have a look at the message and save it for future reference.

Sharla Levine
Austria-Czech SIG Coordinator

WELCOME to the Austria-Czech SIG

Thank you for your interest in the Austria-Czech SIG, and welcome
aboard! We hope you will SAVE this document for future reference
about our group, and about how to manage your subscription to this
mailing list.

The purpose of our group is to serve as a clearinghouse for Jewish
genealogical and historical information relating to Jewish communities
in the areas formerly known as Bohemia and Moravia (most of this area
is today the Czech Republic) and Austria (especially Vienna, where so
many Bohemian and Moravian Jews migrated in the 19th century). For Slovakian
and Hungarian genealogy, please subscribe to the Hungarian-SIG. For Galician
genealogy, please subscribe to the Galicia-SIG. For German genealogy,
please subscribe to the German-Jewish-SIG.

Sharing of research resources and advice are the focus of our
discussion group. We would also like to gather information about
life in Bohemia, Moravia, and Austria and make it available on-line to those
who are interested. We are collecting information of genealogical
and historical interest, including but not limited to photographs,
business and residential directories, census lists, property owners'
lists, tax rolls, original manuscripts, and translations >from Yizkor
Books.

For all of you researching Austria, Bohemia and Moravia (Czech Republic),
please visit the Austria-Czech Special Interest Group web site at
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech. The page is updated regularly and
contains lots of resources including:

Getting Started With Czech-Jewish Genealogy
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/czechguide.html

Beginner's Guide to Austrian-Jewish Genealogy
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ausguide.htm

GemeindeView
The beginnings of a web-based encyclopedia commemorating all of the Jewish
communities that once existed in the Bohemia-Moravia region.
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/gemeinde.htm

For questions about how to submit materials for our website or
GemeindeView project, please contact our webmaster at austriaczechsig@yahoo.com.

For administrative questions about the mailing list, please contact the group's
coordinator, Sharla Levine, at austriaczech@comcast.net

For messages of general interest to the entire group, or questions
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The question seems to be whether there are Familianten lists in Moravia of
the same type that are available in the Bohemian province. All the evidence
points to the conclusion that there "should" be such lists. This evidence is
both circumstantial and direct (but based on secondary sources). Both
elements make for a powerful case for their existence.

1. The circumstantial evidence begins with the 1724 census of the Jewish
population in the Bohemian Lands. The Bohemian Lands or the Bohemian Kingdom
includes both Bohemia and Moravia. This appears to be the solid basis for
the family decrees [familiantengesetz] issued by the central authorities
[King Ferdinand VI and ] in 1725 and 1726. A census simply records
various kinds of facts. Decrees are directives of the Government regarding
its policy in a specific matter.

I may be mistaken, but I found no reference in Dr. Haas' presentation
entitled "Statistical Observation on the Jewish Population of Moravia in the
Past and Present" in Hugo Gold's book to the 1724 census. If I am correct,
this seems an odd omission. The decrees could not possibly have been so
explicit without the census which provided the numbers regarding Jewish
restrictions of various sorts. That the census did take place throughout the
12 or 13 districts (kreis) of the Bohemian realm (that is, Bohemia and
Moravia) is clear >from Ruth Kestenberg-Gladstein's summary and illustrative
presentation of the raw material. She lists the districts so there is no
mistaking that it covers our two provinces.

2. The decrees of 1725-26 also apply to both provinces. We can site a number
of secondary sources for this but one is enough here. William O. McCagg,
Jr., in A History of Habsburg Jews 1670-1918, (Bloomington: Indiana UP,
1989), writes as follows: "In 1726, Kaiser Karl VI decided to limit the Jews
of the Bohemian Crown. He declared that alongside some 10,00 Jews in Prague,
30-40,000 would be allowed to live in rural Bohemia, and some 20-25,000 in
Moravia., but no more. He defined these numbers in terms of families . . . .
We will leave the numbers debate aside. The question is to what extent the
decrees were put into effect. And this raises a prior question which is not
at all clear in my mind - were the LISTS a separate census or a derivative
of the 1724 census? In any case, somebody had to make up these lists and
that somebody were LOCAL officials, usually with a great deal of autonomy.
The central Habsburg Government was very weak. Thus, local discretion
determined whether the information would be gathered and to what extent or
how the decrees would be implemented.

Lovely light could have been shed on the exact size and dynamic changes in
the Jewish population if we had the tax rosters for the Jewish communities
or a central roster of the "eda" [Jewish Community], but alas we don't.
Despite the restrictions on the size of the Jewish families and the right to
marry of the first son only, our current sources state that the Jewish
population swelled in the 1730s and 1740s. So apparently there were ways to
get around the decrees. When the 10,000-14,000 estimated Jews were expelled

from Prague in 1745, they had temporary respite in the Bohemian countryside.

At the last hour, the decree calling for the expulsion of all Jews >from the
Kingdom was annulled, and the Prague Jews returned after only six months,
probably all of them in the homes of fellow Jews. A decade later a fire
swept through the ghetto and it was this that broke the will to stay in the
urban centre for many of Prague's Jews. But the countryside, with ups and
downs, appeared to flourish. I'll close with another quote >from McCagg:
Bohemia and Moravia had even in the eighteenth century been the industrial
heartland of the Habsburg realm, this in part because of the natural wealth
of these provinces, in part because of their favourable position vis-a-vis
the West."

Our researchers in Prague should be able to tell us a little more about what
is available. Are there local collections of estate owners still untouched?
The genealogical wheels grind slowly.

Paul King
Jerusalem

The question seems to be whether there are Familianten lists in Moravia of
the same type that are available in the Bohemian province. All the evidence
points to the conclusion that there "should" be such lists. This evidence is
both circumstantial and direct (but based on secondary sources). Both
elements make for a powerful case for their existence.

1. The circumstantial evidence begins with the 1724 census of the Jewish
population in the Bohemian Lands. The Bohemian Lands or the Bohemian Kingdom
includes both Bohemia and Moravia. This appears to be the solid basis for
the family decrees [familiantengesetz] issued by the central authorities
[King Ferdinand VI and ] in 1725 and 1726. A census simply records
various kinds of facts. Decrees are directives of the Government regarding
its policy in a specific matter.

I may be mistaken, but I found no reference in Dr. Haas' presentation
entitled "Statistical Observation on the Jewish Population of Moravia in the
Past and Present" in Hugo Gold's book to the 1724 census. If I am correct,
this seems an odd omission. The decrees could not possibly have been so
explicit without the census which provided the numbers regarding Jewish
restrictions of various sorts. That the census did take place throughout the
12 or 13 districts (kreis) of the Bohemian realm (that is, Bohemia and
Moravia) is clear >from Ruth Kestenberg-Gladstein's summary and illustrative
presentation of the raw material. She lists the districts so there is no
mistaking that it covers our two provinces.

2. The decrees of 1725-26 also apply to both provinces. We can site a number
of secondary sources for this but one is enough here. William O. McCagg,
Jr., in A History of Habsburg Jews 1670-1918, (Bloomington: Indiana UP,
1989), writes as follows: "In 1726, Kaiser Karl VI decided to limit the Jews
of the Bohemian Crown. He declared that alongside some 10,00 Jews in Prague,
30-40,000 would be allowed to live in rural Bohemia, and some 20-25,000 in
Moravia., but no more. He defined these numbers in terms of families . . . .
We will leave the numbers debate aside. The question is to what extent the
decrees were put into effect. And this raises a prior question which is not
at all clear in my mind - were the LISTS a separate census or a derivative
of the 1724 census? In any case, somebody had to make up these lists and
that somebody were LOCAL officials, usually with a great deal of autonomy.
The central Habsburg Government was very weak. Thus, local discretion
determined whether the information would be gathered and to what extent or
how the decrees would be implemented.

Lovely light could have been shed on the exact size and dynamic changes in
the Jewish population if we had the tax rosters for the Jewish communities
or a central roster of the "eda" [Jewish Community], but alas we don't.
Despite the restrictions on the size of the Jewish families and the right to
marry of the first son only, our current sources state that the Jewish
population swelled in the 1730s and 1740s. So apparently there were ways to
get around the decrees. When the 10,000-14,000 estimated Jews were expelled

from Prague in 1745, they had temporary respite in the Bohemian countryside.

At the last hour, the decree calling for the expulsion of all Jews >from the
Kingdom was annulled, and the Prague Jews returned after only six months,
probably all of them in the homes of fellow Jews. A decade later a fire
swept through the ghetto and it was this that broke the will to stay in the
urban centre for many of Prague's Jews. But the countryside, with ups and
downs, appeared to flourish. I'll close with another quote >from McCagg:
Bohemia and Moravia had even in the eighteenth century been the industrial
heartland of the Habsburg realm, this in part because of the natural wealth
of these provinces, in part because of their favourable position vis-a-vis
the West."

Our researchers in Prague should be able to tell us a little more about what
is available. Are there local collections of estate owners still untouched?
The genealogical wheels grind slowly.

Paul King
Jerusalem

I am interested to know if there are ways to research burial societies and
landsmannshaft in other geographic areas and cities other than the New
York/New Jersey region.

Relatives of an ancestral town may have emigrated to cities across the
United States or Canada,and locating burial societies could
possibly result in discovering additional family history.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Gary Gershfield
Forest Hills,NY

Dear Genners:

Gary Mokotoff gave permission to share this. It was published in
"Nu? What's New?" The Internet magazine of Jewish Genealogy.


New York Law May Make Vital Records More Accessible

There is a trend in the United States and elsewhere toward limiting access
to vital records under the guise of reducing identity theft and combating
terrorism. New York Assembly Bill 7209 is moving in the opposite direction.
The bill would reduce the current cost to obtain vital records for
genealogical purposes by half, and for applicants who show current
membership in a genealogical society, review of vital records will be
at no charge.

A summary comment of the bill makes the statement that "the fear that
has been voiced that vital records could provide information which
could lead to identity theft is unfounded. In a recent survey of 500
victims of identity theft, not one was due to information gleaned >from
vital records."

Additional information can be found at
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A07209.

Joan Parker, Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and
Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno,
Russia maybe Odessa, Ukraine, Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami
and Miami Beach, FL.

I am interested to know if there are ways to research burial societies and
landsmannshaft in other geographic areas and cities other than the New
York/New Jersey region.

Relatives of an ancestral town may have emigrated to cities across the
United States or Canada,and locating burial societies could
possibly result in discovering additional family history.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Gary Gershfield
Forest Hills,NY

Dear Genners:

Gary Mokotoff gave permission to share this. It was published in
"Nu? What's New?" The Internet magazine of Jewish Genealogy.


New York Law May Make Vital Records More Accessible

There is a trend in the United States and elsewhere toward limiting access
to vital records under the guise of reducing identity theft and combating
terrorism. New York Assembly Bill 7209 is moving in the opposite direction.
The bill would reduce the current cost to obtain vital records for
genealogical purposes by half, and for applicants who show current
membership in a genealogical society, review of vital records will be
at no charge.

A summary comment of the bill makes the statement that "the fear that
has been voiced that vital records could provide information which
could lead to identity theft is unfounded. In a recent survey of 500
victims of identity theft, not one was due to information gleaned >from
vital records."

Additional information can be found at
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A07209.

Joan Parker, Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and
Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno,
Russia maybe Odessa, Ukraine, Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami
and Miami Beach, FL.

I am a new member of Jewish Genealogy Society Los Angeles and picked up some
old copies of the JGSLA Roots Key Magazine. As I was reading I noticed that
Charlotte Title passed away in 1998 or 1993?. It said she was a very active
member in JGSLA. The name rang a bell. I remember going to visit her with
my aunt, her 2nd cousin. I know she had done geneaology on the
Weisstein/Ast line of my family. Her grandmother and my greatgrandfather
were brother and sister. We did a lot of hand-matching by writing stuff down
that day. I want to find someone in her family who has her information. Any
ideas? She had made an extensive Galicia tree.

Dalya Dektor. rustysings@adelphia.net.

I am a new member of Jewish Genealogy Society Los Angeles and picked up some
old copies of the JGSLA Roots Key Magazine. As I was reading I noticed that
Charlotte Title passed away in 1998 or 1993?. It said she was a very active
member in JGSLA. The name rang a bell. I remember going to visit her with
my aunt, her 2nd cousin. I know she had done geneaology on the
Weisstein/Ast line of my family. Her grandmother and my greatgrandfather
were brother and sister. We did a lot of hand-matching by writing stuff down
that day. I want to find someone in her family who has her information. Any
ideas? She had made an extensive Galicia tree.

Dalya Dektor. rustysings@adelphia.net.

I have posted 3 Polish documents on ViewMate. They are:

marriage certificate for Leyb Kaplan & Chana Kramarski
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5999
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6000

birth certificate for Dwera Ryfka Kaplan at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6001
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6002

marriage certificate for Berko Zyman & Dwera Ryfka Kaplan
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5998

I would be very grateful if anyone could translate them for me. Please reply
privately to kronrosen@earthlink.net.

Ron Rosenthal
La Plata, Maryland
Researching:
KAPLAN >from Suwalki, Lithuania SIMON >from Suwalki, Lithuania
GINSBERG >from Grodno, Russia ROSENTHAL >from Russia
KIRSCH >from Austria

I have posted 3 Polish documents on ViewMate. They are:

marriage certificate for Leyb Kaplan & Chana Kramarski
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5999
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6000

birth certificate for Dwera Ryfka Kaplan at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6001
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6002

marriage certificate for Berko Zyman & Dwera Ryfka Kaplan
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5998

I would be very grateful if anyone could translate them for me. Please reply
privately to kronrosen@earthlink.net.

Ron Rosenthal
La Plata, Maryland
Researching:
KAPLAN >from Suwalki, Lithuania SIMON >from Suwalki, Lithuania
GINSBERG >from Grodno, Russia ROSENTHAL >from Russia
KIRSCH >from Austria

Greetings,

I am seeking desendants of Abraham BADINER and his wife Cywie
(nee FRIEDER) of Lwow. In 1880, they had a son named Aron Lajzer
and a daughter named Rajsel (i.e., twins). I have obtained their
birth registration >from Poland through JRI-PL.

Cywie's parents were Aron Lajzer and Chaja Etke FRIEDER of Kamionka
Strumilowa. There is a possibility that Cywie was a sister of my
g-g-gf Avraham Eber FRIEDER, since he also had a son Aron Lajzer born
about the same time, and many of my other ancestors came >from Kamionka
Strumilowa and the nearby towns. (If my hunch is correct, Aron Lajzer
and Chaja Etke would be "new" ancestors for me.)

The Yad Vashem database shows a Berel BADINER >from Lwow who was born in
1886. There is a now 49-year old address for his surviving son,
Reuven Badiner of Ramat Gan. If anyone knows how to reach his family
I would appreciate it.

The Yad Vashem also shows an Eber FRIEDER, son of Shimon, >from Warez,
Poland. Shimon was a brother of my great-grandfather (both sons of
Avraham Eber mentioned above). The submitter of this page (in 1955) was
Chaim Langer of Kfar Sava, Israel. If anyone knows how to reach his
family I would appreciate it.

Any leads regarding any of the above would be appreciated.

Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring Maryland.

Greetings,

I am seeking desendants of Abraham BADINER and his wife Cywie
(nee FRIEDER) of Lwow. In 1880, they had a son named Aron Lajzer
and a daughter named Rajsel (i.e., twins). I have obtained their
birth registration >from Poland through JRI-PL.

Cywie's parents were Aron Lajzer and Chaja Etke FRIEDER of Kamionka
Strumilowa. There is a possibility that Cywie was a sister of my
g-g-gf Avraham Eber FRIEDER, since he also had a son Aron Lajzer born
about the same time, and many of my other ancestors came >from Kamionka
Strumilowa and the nearby towns. (If my hunch is correct, Aron Lajzer
and Chaja Etke would be "new" ancestors for me.)

The Yad Vashem database shows a Berel BADINER >from Lwow who was born in
1886. There is a now 49-year old address for his surviving son,
Reuven Badiner of Ramat Gan. If anyone knows how to reach his family
I would appreciate it.

The Yad Vashem also shows an Eber FRIEDER, son of Shimon, >from Warez,
Poland. Shimon was a brother of my great-grandfather (both sons of
Avraham Eber mentioned above). The submitter of this page (in 1955) was
Chaim Langer of Kfar Sava, Israel. If anyone knows how to reach his
family I would appreciate it.

Any leads regarding any of the above would be appreciated.

Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring Maryland.