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Which Haradok am I from? #belarus

Cnydorf@...
 

Dear Belarussiggers
Maybe you can help solve a problem.
My great-grandparents Abraham and Sore BERGER lived in a place called
'Haradok' in the last half of the 19th century. My problem is that there are
several towns with this name and I don't know which Haradok they lived in. Even
relatives who came >from other places like Barisov, Talatshyn and Orsha just
referred to the place as Haradok without specifying which one it was.
My relatives said that Haradok was located in an immense forest and
Abraham made his living by managing the timber. Maybe this is a clue. I also
got the impression that Haradok was not too far >from Minsk. Some relatives think
that it was part of Poland between the World Wars.

Regards

Charles Nydorf
Researching the STEINMANS, BERGERS, SOLEVEICHIKS, ROTHSTEINS, RUDNITSKIS of
Haradok


Belarus SIG #Belarus Which Haradok am I from? #belarus

Cnydorf@...
 

Dear Belarussiggers
Maybe you can help solve a problem.
My great-grandparents Abraham and Sore BERGER lived in a place called
'Haradok' in the last half of the 19th century. My problem is that there are
several towns with this name and I don't know which Haradok they lived in. Even
relatives who came >from other places like Barisov, Talatshyn and Orsha just
referred to the place as Haradok without specifying which one it was.
My relatives said that Haradok was located in an immense forest and
Abraham made his living by managing the timber. Maybe this is a clue. I also
got the impression that Haradok was not too far >from Minsk. Some relatives think
that it was part of Poland between the World Wars.

Regards

Charles Nydorf
Researching the STEINMANS, BERGERS, SOLEVEICHIKS, ROTHSTEINS, RUDNITSKIS of
Haradok


Re: What is Pinsk Reg? #belarus

Adam Davis <adamrdavis@...>
 

This is the Pinsk Region, or Uyzed

Adam Davis
Chicago


Belarus SIG #Belarus RE: What is Pinsk Reg? #belarus

Adam Davis <adamrdavis@...>
 

This is the Pinsk Region, or Uyzed

Adam Davis
Chicago


Eisengart/Bunis family #latinamerica

Toby Glickman <tglickman@...>
 

Dear Genners,

My mother, Gittel Eisengart Komisaruk, had a cousin Nura who lived in Mexico
City. Shura's married name was Epstein. I believe Shura had a daughter
Sarita who married one Alexander Brodin.

My grandmother's maiden name was Bunis, and she and my grandfather Shye
Eisengart, immigrated >from Volhynia, now in Ukraine - grandfather with two
children in 1913 and grandmother with three children in 1921.

If these names are familiar to anyone, I would greatly appreciate hearing
from you.
Thank you.

Toby Glickman
New York

researching EISENGART, BUNIS


Latin America #LatinAmerica Eisengart/Bunis family #latinamerica

Toby Glickman <tglickman@...>
 

Dear Genners,

My mother, Gittel Eisengart Komisaruk, had a cousin Nura who lived in Mexico
City. Shura's married name was Epstein. I believe Shura had a daughter
Sarita who married one Alexander Brodin.

My grandmother's maiden name was Bunis, and she and my grandfather Shye
Eisengart, immigrated >from Volhynia, now in Ukraine - grandfather with two
children in 1913 and grandmother with three children in 1921.

If these names are familiar to anyone, I would greatly appreciate hearing
from you.
Thank you.

Toby Glickman
New York

researching EISENGART, BUNIS


Fread (or variants) Ukraine 1880's #ukraine

Laura Bennett <laura@...>
 

Dear all
I am trying to research my maternal ancestors and have hit the
proverbial brickwall when it comes to my great grandmother and her
relatives.
The information I have is as follows:
Her name was Anna (or Annie) FREAD (surname copied >from UK marriage
certificate) DOB 14 July 1873
Place of birth Kiev Ukraine (according to family)
Arrived UK sometime pre 1893 (but can't find on 1881 or 1891 census)
Married Myer Cohen in Sheffield UK 30 May 1893
Had 9 children the eldest of whom died and the remainder in order are;
Julia, Rose, Lena, Leah, Esther, Jack, Harry (or Harris) my grandfather
and Dollie.
Died 29 January 1933 and is buried in Sheffield.

According to information >from my Uncle, Anna's fathe was a Rabbi in the
Ukraine but we don't have a name and her mothers surname was Mendelson.
There were 3 other children, namely Sarah who apparently married a FREAD
cousin and had 3 children, Ezra, Harry and Helena she later remarried a
BERNSTEIN and had a further daughter, Rachel: David who married the
aforementioned Rachel and produced 4 offspring, Issy, Dinah,Mille and
Libby: Morris who was killed in WW1 and one further son who emigrated to
the US.

If any of the names and details above strike a chord with anyone I would
be very pleased to hear >from you.

Laura Bennett
Sheffield UK
Researching FREAD (and variants) Ukraine and COHEN (and variants) Belarus


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Fread (or variants) Ukraine 1880's #ukraine

Laura Bennett <laura@...>
 

Dear all
I am trying to research my maternal ancestors and have hit the
proverbial brickwall when it comes to my great grandmother and her
relatives.
The information I have is as follows:
Her name was Anna (or Annie) FREAD (surname copied >from UK marriage
certificate) DOB 14 July 1873
Place of birth Kiev Ukraine (according to family)
Arrived UK sometime pre 1893 (but can't find on 1881 or 1891 census)
Married Myer Cohen in Sheffield UK 30 May 1893
Had 9 children the eldest of whom died and the remainder in order are;
Julia, Rose, Lena, Leah, Esther, Jack, Harry (or Harris) my grandfather
and Dollie.
Died 29 January 1933 and is buried in Sheffield.

According to information >from my Uncle, Anna's fathe was a Rabbi in the
Ukraine but we don't have a name and her mothers surname was Mendelson.
There were 3 other children, namely Sarah who apparently married a FREAD
cousin and had 3 children, Ezra, Harry and Helena she later remarried a
BERNSTEIN and had a further daughter, Rachel: David who married the
aforementioned Rachel and produced 4 offspring, Issy, Dinah,Mille and
Libby: Morris who was killed in WW1 and one further son who emigrated to
the US.

If any of the names and details above strike a chord with anyone I would
be very pleased to hear >from you.

Laura Bennett
Sheffield UK
Researching FREAD (and variants) Ukraine and COHEN (and variants) Belarus


Ukraine Occupation/Military/Language Questions? translation needed #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I have 5 questions about an Odessa 1897 Census:

1. What was the language EBP?
2. Can he read?
3. Where was he studying?
4. What was his occupation?
5. How was he involved in the military?

The file number is VM 6311:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6311

Please send all responses to me directly, tome1111@earthlink.net, not the
distribution list.

Thank you for your help!

Tom Erribe
CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukraine Occupation/Military/Language Questions? translation needed #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I have 5 questions about an Odessa 1897 Census:

1. What was the language EBP?
2. Can he read?
3. Where was he studying?
4. What was his occupation?
5. How was he involved in the military?

The file number is VM 6311:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6311

Please send all responses to me directly, tome1111@earthlink.net, not the
distribution list.

Thank you for your help!

Tom Erribe
CA


Ukraine Class Rankings? translation needed #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I understand that Ukraine residents were given class rankings. This Odessa
1897 census lists class rankings for 2 people. Can you tell me the class
ranking/status for person #1, and how does it compare to the ranking for
person #2. I was told that person #2 was >from the petite bourgeois.

The file number is VM 6310:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6310


Please send all responses to me directly, tome1111@earthlink.net, not the
distribution list.

Thank you for your help!

Tom Erribe
CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukraine Class Rankings? translation needed #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I understand that Ukraine residents were given class rankings. This Odessa
1897 census lists class rankings for 2 people. Can you tell me the class
ranking/status for person #1, and how does it compare to the ranking for
person #2. I was told that person #2 was >from the petite bourgeois.

The file number is VM 6310:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6310


Please send all responses to me directly, tome1111@earthlink.net, not the
distribution list.

Thank you for your help!

Tom Erribe
CA


Re: Blonde hair, Blue eyes #ukraine

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

I was a platinum blond as a child, but my hair grew darker as I grew older.
My eyes are hazel. My Aunt Molly, aleha hashalom was a blond. All the rest
of the family had dark hair and eyes. But I am sure that my blond genes came
from past blond ancestors who might have converted to Judaism. After all,
quite a few generations had passed between my ancestors' residence in the
Middle East and my parents' births at the end of the nineteenth century.
Oh yes, my hair is very light now, kind of white.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz (75 plus two days)
Arad, israel
Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz

Robin B. Seidenberg wrote:
We can only speculate that it might be possible that my g-mother could have
been a product of rape??? She was blonde haired and blue eyed.

My great grandfather was a towhead (lighter than platinum blond), and my
great grandmother had flaming red hair (They came >from the region near
Kamenets-Podolskiy.). There are many redheads in my family, and I know
a number of Jewish people with red hair. Many Jews do not have dark
complexions and dark hair.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Blonde hair, Blue eyes #ukraine

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

I was a platinum blond as a child, but my hair grew darker as I grew older.
My eyes are hazel. My Aunt Molly, aleha hashalom was a blond. All the rest
of the family had dark hair and eyes. But I am sure that my blond genes came
from past blond ancestors who might have converted to Judaism. After all,
quite a few generations had passed between my ancestors' residence in the
Middle East and my parents' births at the end of the nineteenth century.
Oh yes, my hair is very light now, kind of white.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz (75 plus two days)
Arad, israel
Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz

Robin B. Seidenberg wrote:
We can only speculate that it might be possible that my g-mother could have
been a product of rape??? She was blonde haired and blue eyed.

My great grandfather was a towhead (lighter than platinum blond), and my
great grandmother had flaming red hair (They came >from the region near
Kamenets-Podolskiy.). There are many redheads in my family, and I know
a number of Jewish people with red hair. Many Jews do not have dark
complexions and dark hair.


fair hair #ukraine

Pam Weston <pweston@...>
 

My sister and I have (had) red hair and freckles but not very light
skin. It is said it came >from grandmothers on both sides. It was not
looked on as as a good thing to be red headed in, at least, the early
20th century. It could be because it may not have come >from the best
linage, perhaps even rape. However, many of the Jews of Khazaria were
red heads. The Ukraine is a likely location for immigration of those
Jews after the fall of the Khazar state.

Information on the Jews of Khazaria:

http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-history.html

Pam Weston
Chicago
BART(BARTH), DOLINGER/ Sambor, Stary Sambor, New York
KAWALER, KREINDLER /Solotwina, New York
PERCHEPA(PRICZEPA, PERCZEPA)/ Koretz, Odessa, Hartford, CT.
WEINSTEIN?/Hartford CT.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine fair hair #ukraine

Pam Weston <pweston@...>
 

My sister and I have (had) red hair and freckles but not very light
skin. It is said it came >from grandmothers on both sides. It was not
looked on as as a good thing to be red headed in, at least, the early
20th century. It could be because it may not have come >from the best
linage, perhaps even rape. However, many of the Jews of Khazaria were
red heads. The Ukraine is a likely location for immigration of those
Jews after the fall of the Khazar state.

Information on the Jews of Khazaria:

http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-history.html

Pam Weston
Chicago
BART(BARTH), DOLINGER/ Sambor, Stary Sambor, New York
KAWALER, KREINDLER /Solotwina, New York
PERCHEPA(PRICZEPA, PERCZEPA)/ Koretz, Odessa, Hartford, CT.
WEINSTEIN?/Hartford CT.


Re: Blonde hair, Blue eyes #ukraine

Randy Ford <r_ford@...>
 

My Maternal Grandmother was >from Polonnye. She was a Strawberry Blonde with
Crystal Blue eyes. Her youngest brother had brown hair and the same Crystal
Blue eyes. The other three brothers had brown eyes. Two with dark hair,
and one with Fire Engine Red. My mother has dark hair and dark eyes.

My Paternal Grandmother was >from Mizocz. She was a Dishwater Blonde with
blue eyes. My father was the only sibling with brown hair and brown eyes.

Growing up in a primarily Jewish school district of Skokie, Illinois, I
didn't know that "Jews" typically had dark hair and dark eyes. I went to
school with straight and curly haired blondes, brunettes and redheads with
eye colors of every variety.

Randy Ford

BRITAN Chudnov, SPIEGEL/SPIEGELMAN Polonnye, FLITTER Mizocz, FORD/FORT
Warkovitz

St Louis, MO


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Blonde hair, Blue eyes #ukraine

Randy Ford <r_ford@...>
 

My Maternal Grandmother was >from Polonnye. She was a Strawberry Blonde with
Crystal Blue eyes. Her youngest brother had brown hair and the same Crystal
Blue eyes. The other three brothers had brown eyes. Two with dark hair,
and one with Fire Engine Red. My mother has dark hair and dark eyes.

My Paternal Grandmother was >from Mizocz. She was a Dishwater Blonde with
blue eyes. My father was the only sibling with brown hair and brown eyes.

Growing up in a primarily Jewish school district of Skokie, Illinois, I
didn't know that "Jews" typically had dark hair and dark eyes. I went to
school with straight and curly haired blondes, brunettes and redheads with
eye colors of every variety.

Randy Ford

BRITAN Chudnov, SPIEGEL/SPIEGELMAN Polonnye, FLITTER Mizocz, FORD/FORT
Warkovitz

St Louis, MO


Blonde hair/red hair #ukraine

elisabeth segal <darla1504@...>
 

I have red hair. The Rockman relatives I am looking for were all very
blonde, except for one sister Golda. She had the red hair. My aunt had
beautiful platinium blonde hair. It stayed the same even when she was old. I
have blue green eyes. My mothers family that originated many many years ago
from Spain, were all dark. I have the Rockman genes. But minus any
relatives. I know that my grandfather Samuel Rockman came >from Russia.
Thanks to all of you that have sent me emails with name suggestions and
variations of Rockman. No luck so far, but please keep trying.

A friend whose husband's family originated all >from Russia, has an 8 year
old son, with the whitest hair and bluest eyes you ever did see.

I was told when very young that the red hair came >from Babylon. That the
Babylonians were red haired. Perhaps that explains why so many of us are red
headed.

regards

Elisabeth
London
UK


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Blonde hair/red hair #ukraine

elisabeth segal <darla1504@...>
 

I have red hair. The Rockman relatives I am looking for were all very
blonde, except for one sister Golda. She had the red hair. My aunt had
beautiful platinium blonde hair. It stayed the same even when she was old. I
have blue green eyes. My mothers family that originated many many years ago
from Spain, were all dark. I have the Rockman genes. But minus any
relatives. I know that my grandfather Samuel Rockman came >from Russia.
Thanks to all of you that have sent me emails with name suggestions and
variations of Rockman. No luck so far, but please keep trying.

A friend whose husband's family originated all >from Russia, has an 8 year
old son, with the whitest hair and bluest eyes you ever did see.

I was told when very young that the red hair came >from Babylon. That the
Babylonians were red haired. Perhaps that explains why so many of us are red
headed.

regards

Elisabeth
London
UK