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Re: Sfaradim Jews in Hungary / ROSANES #hungary

Robert Neu
 

The name Rosanics or Rozonics is not Hungarian but
Slavic, the "ics" means simply son of. Check if they
appear on the records of Kismarton/Eisenstadt which
had an early Jewish community.

Robert Neu

--- Ruben Weiser <weiser@ba.net> wrote:

The brother of my greatgrandmother(Schwartz family
from Szabolcs
county),used to say that we are decendents of the
autor of mishne lamelech
,who was rabbi Yehuda Rosanes >from Turkey.
When i ask him how was it posible that we are
ashkenasim and decendents of
sfardim,he answer that all the Schwartz family come
from spain in the
inquisition time.
I never find out any Rosanes living in hungary but i
found some living in
Poland.
this month i found in the 1715 census 3 Rosanics or
Rozonics living in a
small town near Kismarton(Eisenstadt).can they be
jewish?or it is just a
similar hungarian lastname?.
anyone with the same story?

thanks
Ruben Weiser.
Buenos Aires
Argentina


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Sfaradim Jews in Hungary / ROSANES #hungary

Robert Neu
 

The name Rosanics or Rozonics is not Hungarian but
Slavic, the "ics" means simply son of. Check if they
appear on the records of Kismarton/Eisenstadt which
had an early Jewish community.

Robert Neu

--- Ruben Weiser <weiser@ba.net> wrote:

The brother of my greatgrandmother(Schwartz family
from Szabolcs
county),used to say that we are decendents of the
autor of mishne lamelech
,who was rabbi Yehuda Rosanes >from Turkey.
When i ask him how was it posible that we are
ashkenasim and decendents of
sfardim,he answer that all the Schwartz family come
from spain in the
inquisition time.
I never find out any Rosanes living in hungary but i
found some living in
Poland.
this month i found in the 1715 census 3 Rosanics or
Rozonics living in a
small town near Kismarton(Eisenstadt).can they be
jewish?or it is just a
similar hungarian lastname?.
anyone with the same story?

thanks
Ruben Weiser.
Buenos Aires
Argentina


Re: NEV VALTOZTATASOK - NAME CHANGES - PECS UNIVERSITY #hungary

Robert Neu
 

The system is the same. You go to previous(elozo
oldal) or next (kovetkezo oldal) page, till you get
what you want.

Robert

--- "B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com> wrote:

Viviane,

You point out how to get to the letter "S" but I
need C, Z, L, E, etc. Can
you please tell me how to find the initial page for
the name change database
so I might search for these other letters?

Thanks.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com

At 09:08 AM 6/2/2005, VivianeCK2003@aol.com wrote:
This resource is great - they have an entire
section devoted to name
changes
here I have logged into "S"
http://kt.lib.pte.hu/konyvtar/kt04112203/0_0_2_pg_203.html
It is user friendly - press "elozo oldal" to go
back
press "kovetkezo oldal" to go forward
It is really helpful with genealogy research as *so
many* Hungarian
Jews changed their names.
Viviane Kluska
Canton, MI


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: NEV VALTOZTATASOK - NAME CHANGES - PECS UNIVERSITY #hungary

Robert Neu
 

The system is the same. You go to previous(elozo
oldal) or next (kovetkezo oldal) page, till you get
what you want.

Robert

--- "B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com> wrote:

Viviane,

You point out how to get to the letter "S" but I
need C, Z, L, E, etc. Can
you please tell me how to find the initial page for
the name change database
so I might search for these other letters?

Thanks.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com

At 09:08 AM 6/2/2005, VivianeCK2003@aol.com wrote:
This resource is great - they have an entire
section devoted to name
changes
here I have logged into "S"
http://kt.lib.pte.hu/konyvtar/kt04112203/0_0_2_pg_203.html
It is user friendly - press "elozo oldal" to go
back
press "kovetkezo oldal" to go forward
It is really helpful with genealogy research as *so
many* Hungarian
Jews changed their names.
Viviane Kluska
Canton, MI


Bohemia-1793 Census of the Jews #austria-czech

Gabriela Svatos
 

Here is a listing of the 1793 census books which have been published to date
by the archive in Prague:

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 1- Loketsky Kraj,
Bolesavsky Kraj, Budejovicky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2003.
Soft Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 2- Kourinsky Kraj,
Bydzovsky Kraj, Litomericky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2003. Soft
Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 3- Prachensky Kraj,
Berounsky Kraj, Taborsky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2003. Soft
Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 4- Chrudimsky Kraj,
Plzensky Kraj, Zatecky Kraj, Hradecky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv,
2004. Soft Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 5- Caslavsky Kraj,
Klatovsky Kraj, Rakovnicky Kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2005. Soft
Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Regards,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Bohemia-1793 Census of the Jews #austria-czech

Gabriela Svatos
 

Here is a listing of the 1793 census books which have been published to date
by the archive in Prague:

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 1- Loketsky Kraj,
Bolesavsky Kraj, Budejovicky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2003.
Soft Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 2- Kourinsky Kraj,
Bydzovsky Kraj, Litomericky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2003. Soft
Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 3- Prachensky Kraj,
Berounsky Kraj, Taborsky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2003. Soft
Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 4- Chrudimsky Kraj,
Plzensky Kraj, Zatecky Kraj, Hradecky kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv,
2004. Soft Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Soupis Zidovskych Rodin v Cechach z Roku 1793 (Volume 5- Caslavsky Kraj,
Klatovsky Kraj, Rakovnicky Kraj). Praha: Statni Ustredni Archiv, 2005. Soft
Cover. New ISBN: 8085475960.

Regards,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario


RINDL- a photographer in Berlin??? #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Jacob RINDL (1853-1937) who was born in Engleswald in Austria emigrated to King
Williams Town (South Africa) in 1880 where he and his brother-in-law,
my great grandfather Franz GINSBERG, set up a photography studio.

I think that Jacob RINDL might have had a photography business, or have been a
professional photographer, in Berlin prior to emigrating - is there any way I can
check whether this was the case?

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


German SIG #Germany RINDL- a photographer in Berlin??? #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Jacob RINDL (1853-1937) who was born in Engleswald in Austria emigrated to King
Williams Town (South Africa) in 1880 where he and his brother-in-law,
my great grandfather Franz GINSBERG, set up a photography studio.

I think that Jacob RINDL might have had a photography business, or have been a
professional photographer, in Berlin prior to emigrating - is there any way I can
check whether this was the case?

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


INTRO - Seeking STRICKER #germany

VivianeCK2003@...
 

Hello Fellow Genners:
I have just joined German Gen. I have been a member of the Jewish Gen -
specifically of Hungarian Gen. I have also joined Austria-Czech Gen and
Roumanian Gen. The reason is that my Grandfather's name was Jacob STRICKER and
he was born in Beled, Hungary in 1881. However, most Hungarian Jews chose a
Hungarian name for their families - this name change appeared to be possible
earlier than 1860. The name STRICKER is overwhelmingly German. There are a lot
of STRICKERs in North America, especially in Wisconsin! There are a lot of
STRICKERof Swiss origin. So I am joining German Gen on the possibility that
I can find the family lineage.

My genealogy interest and experience is new. I have be dealing with computers
since 1984. I do not know any German unfortunately. Many of the Hungarian
records are in German. My German connection other than this was that my father
worked in Dresden until 1933 until he was forced to leave.

Viviane Kluska Canton, MI VivianeCK2003@aol.com


German SIG #Germany INTRO - Seeking STRICKER #germany

VivianeCK2003@...
 

Hello Fellow Genners:
I have just joined German Gen. I have been a member of the Jewish Gen -
specifically of Hungarian Gen. I have also joined Austria-Czech Gen and
Roumanian Gen. The reason is that my Grandfather's name was Jacob STRICKER and
he was born in Beled, Hungary in 1881. However, most Hungarian Jews chose a
Hungarian name for their families - this name change appeared to be possible
earlier than 1860. The name STRICKER is overwhelmingly German. There are a lot
of STRICKERs in North America, especially in Wisconsin! There are a lot of
STRICKERof Swiss origin. So I am joining German Gen on the possibility that
I can find the family lineage.

My genealogy interest and experience is new. I have be dealing with computers
since 1984. I do not know any German unfortunately. Many of the Hungarian
records are in German. My German connection other than this was that my father
worked in Dresden until 1933 until he was forced to leave.

Viviane Kluska Canton, MI VivianeCK2003@aol.com


Re: STROMWASSEROWNA #general

Cyndee Meystel <cmeys@...>
 

c) As the questioner asked specifically about the relationship between two
women, the gender is wrong, and they are "meh.utanot".
While that is correct in Hebrew, the term is most often used in its Yiddish
version (corruption) of mechutenestes.

Cyndee Meystel

MODERATOR NOTE: The discussion is beginning to vere away >from the original
question, which concerned interpretation of the suffix "owna".
Please try to focus on this topic in any further responses.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: STROMWASSEROWNA #general

Cyndee Meystel <cmeys@...>
 

c) As the questioner asked specifically about the relationship between two
women, the gender is wrong, and they are "meh.utanot".
While that is correct in Hebrew, the term is most often used in its Yiddish
version (corruption) of mechutenestes.

Cyndee Meystel

MODERATOR NOTE: The discussion is beginning to vere away >from the original
question, which concerned interpretation of the suffix "owna".
Please try to focus on this topic in any further responses.


Re: Searching: HORETZKY and BRAININ #austria-czech

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Answer to no. 2. Probably a matronym, that is a name for a maternal
ancestor. Brayne is a female name in Yiddish (means brown) so Brainin would
be ">from the family of Brayne." There was a famous writer named Reuven
Brainin.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz

-----Original Message-----
From: oedekerk@gmx.net [mailto:oedekerk@gmx.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:33 PM
To: Ukraine SIG
Subject: [ukraine] Searching: HORETZKY and BRAININ


I am new to this site and would be appreciative if someone could answer the
following two questions:

1. Roots, history, and origin of any family member of the last name
HORETZKY(please only this spelling!).

2. Meaning and origin of the last name BRAININ.

Thank you for each clue and contribution.

Best regards,

Bo Brainin


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Searching: HORETZKY and BRAININ #ukraine

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Answer to no. 2. Probably a matronym, that is a name for a maternal
ancestor. Brayne is a female name in Yiddish (means brown) so Brainin would
be ">from the family of Brayne." There was a famous writer named Reuven
Brainin.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz

-----Original Message-----
From: oedekerk@gmx.net [mailto:oedekerk@gmx.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:33 PM
To: Ukraine SIG
Subject: [ukraine] Searching: HORETZKY and BRAININ


I am new to this site and would be appreciative if someone could answer the
following two questions:

1. Roots, history, and origin of any family member of the last name
HORETZKY(please only this spelling!).

2. Meaning and origin of the last name BRAININ.

Thank you for each clue and contribution.

Best regards,

Bo Brainin


Re: Pogroms in central Ukraine circa 1916-1918 #general

Roman Vilner <rvilner@...>
 

Just for the sake of accuracy, the Russian revolution broke out in 1917...

Roman Vilner
NJ
VILNER-Gory/Gorky, Mogilev gub, LIEBERMAN, PINCHUK-
Mogilev,SHMULENSON-Vinnitsa

Soon after he returned to Zvhil after the war in 1919, the Russian
revolution
broke out.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Pogroms in central Ukraine circa 1916-1918 #ukraine

Roman Vilner <rvilner@...>
 

Just for the sake of accuracy, the Russian revolution broke out in 1917...

Roman Vilner
NJ
VILNER-Gory/Gorky, Mogilev gub, LIEBERMAN, PINCHUK-
Mogilev,SHMULENSON-Vinnitsa

Soon after he returned to Zvhil after the war in 1919, the Russian
revolution
broke out.


Re: Some Tips: Finding people in Ellis Island Database #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

Also the letter C falls into this category when searching names.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ


This brings up a good point, Earlier English and American cursive upper
case
"S" resembles a current day cursive upper case "L". If you look at a
signifigant number of records >from the 1700's through the early 1900's
you
will see the cursive handwriting differs signifigantly >from how we write
today. Try switching upper case "L" and "S" around and you may find some
of
those elusive people! The search engines for the major genealogy sites
do
not take this into account.

Linda Altman
familysearch@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Some Tips: Finding people in Ellis Island Database #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

Also the letter C falls into this category when searching names.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ


This brings up a good point, Earlier English and American cursive upper
case
"S" resembles a current day cursive upper case "L". If you look at a
signifigant number of records >from the 1700's through the early 1900's
you
will see the cursive handwriting differs signifigantly >from how we write
today. Try switching upper case "L" and "S" around and you may find some
of
those elusive people! The search engines for the major genealogy sites
do
not take this into account.

Linda Altman
familysearch@bellsouth.net


SEGAL Family in EIDB #southafrica

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Very often when you are looking for one thing, something else entirely pops
up which is unusual. Such was the occurrance when I was searching for
Segals in the Ellis Island Database. I happened upon a few which might
interest those looking for Southern African or Lithuanian connections for
this name.

The following are the entries I found:

Aaron Segal, age 42, >from Cape Town, SA, arriving NY October 29, 1905.
Going to mother Mrs. Segal, 36 Henry Street, NY.

Abraham Segal, age 37, >from Moletai, arriving NY September 28, 1924, left
wife Michle Segel. Going to brother Jakob Segal, 925 Clare Hunt Parkway,
Bronx, NY.

Samson Segal, age 26, born Piatra, Rumania, arriving July 14, 1911, left
brother L. Segal, Plumtree, Rhodesia. Going to parents O. Segal, 1448
Firfield Avenue, St. Paul, MN. 4th finger left hand missing.

The most interesting entry was the one for the missing 4th finger left hand
of Samson Segal. Evidently he may have done this to avoid conscription.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica SEGAL Family in EIDB #southafrica

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Very often when you are looking for one thing, something else entirely pops
up which is unusual. Such was the occurrance when I was searching for
Segals in the Ellis Island Database. I happened upon a few which might
interest those looking for Southern African or Lithuanian connections for
this name.

The following are the entries I found:

Aaron Segal, age 42, >from Cape Town, SA, arriving NY October 29, 1905.
Going to mother Mrs. Segal, 36 Henry Street, NY.

Abraham Segal, age 37, >from Moletai, arriving NY September 28, 1924, left
wife Michle Segel. Going to brother Jakob Segal, 925 Clare Hunt Parkway,
Bronx, NY.

Samson Segal, age 26, born Piatra, Rumania, arriving July 14, 1911, left
brother L. Segal, Plumtree, Rhodesia. Going to parents O. Segal, 1448
Firfield Avenue, St. Paul, MN. 4th finger left hand missing.

The most interesting entry was the one for the missing 4th finger left hand
of Samson Segal. Evidently he may have done this to avoid conscription.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net