Date   

JGS Michigan 20th Annual Meeting #general

Fred Apel <fredapel@...>
 

JGS Michigan will hold its 20th Annual Meeting and Election of Officers
Sunday, June 12, 2005, 12 Noon at The Fox & Hounds Restaurant 39560
Woodward Avenue, Bloomfield Hills MI. The event is sponsored by the Dr.
Morris* and Betty Starkman Annual Genealogical Lecture Fund.

Daniel Schlyter, Collection Management Specialist for the LDS Family
History Department in Salt Lake City, Utah, will discuss "The Changing
Map of Eastern Europe: Who Moved? My Ancestor or the Country?".

For reservation details, contact: programs@jgsmi.org

Fred Apel
JGS Michigan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Michigan 20th Annual Meeting #general

Fred Apel <fredapel@...>
 

JGS Michigan will hold its 20th Annual Meeting and Election of Officers
Sunday, June 12, 2005, 12 Noon at The Fox & Hounds Restaurant 39560
Woodward Avenue, Bloomfield Hills MI. The event is sponsored by the Dr.
Morris* and Betty Starkman Annual Genealogical Lecture Fund.

Daniel Schlyter, Collection Management Specialist for the LDS Family
History Department in Salt Lake City, Utah, will discuss "The Changing
Map of Eastern Europe: Who Moved? My Ancestor or the Country?".

For reservation details, contact: programs@jgsmi.org

Fred Apel
JGS Michigan


Coordinator steps down #latvia

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

Latvia SIG regrets that Constance Whippman will no longer be involved with
the All Latvia Database. We have worked closely together since the launch
of the All Latvia Database and I personally will miss her contribution.
Constance has written the detailed introductions that are invaluable for an
understanding of the Databases. Her expertise is unrivalled and it will be
very difficult keeping up the high standard that she has set. Latvia SIG
and Courland Researchers in particular have benefitted >from the hard work
she has put in. She is a very busy lawyer and has a heavy workload.
Additions to the All Latvia Database will go on as planned and as I have
said before there are a number of Databases that will be going into the
Database in the next few months. The additions to the 1897 database are
ready and Constance has already written the Introductions. The delay is due
to the fact that the Jewishgen Webmasters are very busy preparing for the
Las Vegas Conference and have not had the time to get the additions into
the All Latvia Database. I will post an announcement as soon as they notify
me that the additions are in the 1897 database.

Arlene Beare
Archive representative for Latvia SIG


Latvia SIG #Latvia Coordinator steps down #latvia

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

Latvia SIG regrets that Constance Whippman will no longer be involved with
the All Latvia Database. We have worked closely together since the launch
of the All Latvia Database and I personally will miss her contribution.
Constance has written the detailed introductions that are invaluable for an
understanding of the Databases. Her expertise is unrivalled and it will be
very difficult keeping up the high standard that she has set. Latvia SIG
and Courland Researchers in particular have benefitted >from the hard work
she has put in. She is a very busy lawyer and has a heavy workload.
Additions to the All Latvia Database will go on as planned and as I have
said before there are a number of Databases that will be going into the
Database in the next few months. The additions to the 1897 database are
ready and Constance has already written the Introductions. The delay is due
to the fact that the Jewishgen Webmasters are very busy preparing for the
Las Vegas Conference and have not had the time to get the additions into
the All Latvia Database. I will post an announcement as soon as they notify
me that the additions are in the 1897 database.

Arlene Beare
Archive representative for Latvia SIG


Re: Sfaradim Jews in Hungary / ROSANES #hungary

Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
 

As I mentioned earlier, I played around with the page numbers in the
address, and came up with the ones I was interested in. It was much faster
than tediously going backward or forward, page to page.

Pat

At 09:54 PM 6/6/2005, Robert Neu wrote:
The name Rosanics or Rozonics is not Hungarian but
Slavic, the "ics" means simply son of. Check if they
appear on the records of Kismarton/Eisenstadt which
had an early Jewish community.

Robert Neu

--- Ruben Weiser <weiser@ba.net> wrote:

The brother of my greatgrandmother(Schwartz family
from Szabolcs
county),used to say that we are decendents of the
autor of mishne lamelech
,who was rabbi Yehuda Rosanes >from Turkey.
When i ask him how was it posible that we are
ashkenasim and decendents of
sfardim,he answer that all the Schwartz family come
from spain in the
inquisition time.
I never find out any Rosanes living in hungary but i
found some living in
Poland.
this month i found in the 1715 census 3 Rosanics or
Rozonics living in a
small town near Kismarton(Eisenstadt).can they be
jewish?or it is just a
similar hungarian lastname?.
anyone with the same story?

thanks
Ruben Weiser.
Buenos Aires
Argentina


Re: Sfaradic Jews in Hungary - 1023 #hungary

Jeff Malka <malkajef@...>
 

Hi

I have not been following this thread but this message caught my attention.

Does anyone have a copy of the family tree prepared by Gyuri Vidor or have
any evidence that it existed? I am trying to find out if there is a solid
connection between Weisz, Vidor, and Spain.

(As has been mentioned earlier, the term "Sfard" is usually associated with
Ashkenazic Hassidic Jews because they adopted some elements of the Sephardic
liturgy - not Sepharadim who use words like Sepharad/Sephardic/Sefardic
rather than Sfard).

Jeff Malka
"Resources for Sephardic Genealogy" website:
http://www.orthohelp.com/geneal/sefardim.htm
(Jewish Agency for Israel TOP TEN; Britannica 2 STARS)

"SefardSIG: Sephardic Genealogy at JewishGen" website:
http://www.jewishgen.org/sefardsig/

Subject: Re: Sfaradic Jews in Hungary - 1023 -
From: George Farkas <gfarkas@xbisoftware.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:41:45 -0400
This time I was not asking for not expecting any help, just replying
to
someone else's question. But in any case, you are right. I should
always be alert to the fact that some chance read could result in a
connection. In this case the family name was "Weisz", which many
Hungarianized to "Vidor". The cousin who was reputed to have (or
have created this family tree going back to the inquisition was Gyuri
Vidor.
George Farkas
Montreal


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Sfaradim Jews in Hungary / ROSANES #hungary

Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
 

As I mentioned earlier, I played around with the page numbers in the
address, and came up with the ones I was interested in. It was much faster
than tediously going backward or forward, page to page.

Pat

At 09:54 PM 6/6/2005, Robert Neu wrote:
The name Rosanics or Rozonics is not Hungarian but
Slavic, the "ics" means simply son of. Check if they
appear on the records of Kismarton/Eisenstadt which
had an early Jewish community.

Robert Neu

--- Ruben Weiser <weiser@ba.net> wrote:

The brother of my greatgrandmother(Schwartz family
from Szabolcs
county),used to say that we are decendents of the
autor of mishne lamelech
,who was rabbi Yehuda Rosanes >from Turkey.
When i ask him how was it posible that we are
ashkenasim and decendents of
sfardim,he answer that all the Schwartz family come
from spain in the
inquisition time.
I never find out any Rosanes living in hungary but i
found some living in
Poland.
this month i found in the 1715 census 3 Rosanics or
Rozonics living in a
small town near Kismarton(Eisenstadt).can they be
jewish?or it is just a
similar hungarian lastname?.
anyone with the same story?

thanks
Ruben Weiser.
Buenos Aires
Argentina


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Sfaradic Jews in Hungary - 1023 #hungary

Jeff Malka <malkajef@...>
 

Hi

I have not been following this thread but this message caught my attention.

Does anyone have a copy of the family tree prepared by Gyuri Vidor or have
any evidence that it existed? I am trying to find out if there is a solid
connection between Weisz, Vidor, and Spain.

(As has been mentioned earlier, the term "Sfard" is usually associated with
Ashkenazic Hassidic Jews because they adopted some elements of the Sephardic
liturgy - not Sepharadim who use words like Sepharad/Sephardic/Sefardic
rather than Sfard).

Jeff Malka
"Resources for Sephardic Genealogy" website:
http://www.orthohelp.com/geneal/sefardim.htm
(Jewish Agency for Israel TOP TEN; Britannica 2 STARS)

"SefardSIG: Sephardic Genealogy at JewishGen" website:
http://www.jewishgen.org/sefardsig/

Subject: Re: Sfaradic Jews in Hungary - 1023 -
From: George Farkas <gfarkas@xbisoftware.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:41:45 -0400
This time I was not asking for not expecting any help, just replying
to
someone else's question. But in any case, you are right. I should
always be alert to the fact that some chance read could result in a
connection. In this case the family name was "Weisz", which many
Hungarianized to "Vidor". The cousin who was reputed to have (or
have created this family tree going back to the inquisition was Gyuri
Vidor.
George Farkas
Montreal


Re: h-sig digest: June 06, 2005 #hungary

Robert Neu
 

That's what is listed on the FHL film for the city of
Temesvar.

Robert

--- vkahn@kmort.com wrote:

Judy,

What is the source for your information that there
were only 6 Jewish
households enumerated in the 1848 Jewish Census of
Temesvar? The
on-line version of the 1901-06 Jewish Encyclopedia
has the following
info about Temesvar:

The earliest Jewish census at Temesvar was taken
in 1739, when there
were 139 Ashkenazim and 81 Sephardim (46 families
altogether). In 1755
there were 23 Jewish families in the city; 53 in
1772; 76 in 1776; and
72 in 1781. In 1840 the Jewish population of the
city was about 1,200,
of whom 750 lived in the citadel, 340 in the city,
and about 50 in the
suburbs. In 1858 the number was 2,202; in
1890,4,870; and in 1901,
5,788 (including Jewish soldiers, 5,916). The
total population of
Temesvar is 53,033.
Go to http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/index.jsp
and click on T to
find the full entry.

Keep in mind that the Hungarian State Archives has
census records that
the FHL has not filmed.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:00 PM, H-SIG digest wrote:

Subject: Temesvar 1848
From: Jbacskai@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:07:50 EDT
X-Message-Number: 1

On June 1, 2005 Peter I Hidas wrote:
Temesvar was an important Jewish community from
the 17th century. In
1910 6728 Jews lived there. Total pop.: 72,555.
The Jews migrated
here
from the Balkans and were Sephardic. In 1840 the
Jewish pop. was 960,
by 1880 it grew to 4196.
Peter,
Why does the 1848 Jewish Census list only 6
households? Could nearly
1000
have been overlooked or was there a reason why
they were intentionally
left
out? Granted, there were some more Jews in
Temesvar who were Turkish
subjects,
but they were given only short term, temporary
permits to stay. As far
as I can
tell, that's the only indication (according to
correspondence
attached to
the census) for a larger number of Jews in
Temesvar in1848.

Judy Bacskai
Kensington, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re:h-sig digest: June 06, 2005 #hungary

Robert Neu
 

That's what is listed on the FHL film for the city of
Temesvar.

Robert

--- vkahn@kmort.com wrote:

Judy,

What is the source for your information that there
were only 6 Jewish
households enumerated in the 1848 Jewish Census of
Temesvar? The
on-line version of the 1901-06 Jewish Encyclopedia
has the following
info about Temesvar:

The earliest Jewish census at Temesvar was taken
in 1739, when there
were 139 Ashkenazim and 81 Sephardim (46 families
altogether). In 1755
there were 23 Jewish families in the city; 53 in
1772; 76 in 1776; and
72 in 1781. In 1840 the Jewish population of the
city was about 1,200,
of whom 750 lived in the citadel, 340 in the city,
and about 50 in the
suburbs. In 1858 the number was 2,202; in
1890,4,870; and in 1901,
5,788 (including Jewish soldiers, 5,916). The
total population of
Temesvar is 53,033.
Go to http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/index.jsp
and click on T to
find the full entry.

Keep in mind that the Hungarian State Archives has
census records that
the FHL has not filmed.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:00 PM, H-SIG digest wrote:

Subject: Temesvar 1848
From: Jbacskai@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 03:07:50 EDT
X-Message-Number: 1

On June 1, 2005 Peter I Hidas wrote:
Temesvar was an important Jewish community from
the 17th century. In
1910 6728 Jews lived there. Total pop.: 72,555.
The Jews migrated
here
from the Balkans and were Sephardic. In 1840 the
Jewish pop. was 960,
by 1880 it grew to 4196.
Peter,
Why does the 1848 Jewish Census list only 6
households? Could nearly
1000
have been overlooked or was there a reason why
they were intentionally
left
out? Granted, there were some more Jews in
Temesvar who were Turkish
subjects,
but they were given only short term, temporary
permits to stay. As far
as I can
tell, that's the only indication (according to
correspondence
attached to
the census) for a larger number of Jews in
Temesvar in1848.

Judy Bacskai
Kensington, CA


Hungarian-Slovak Rail Travel #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I'm planning to travel by rail during my upcoming trip to Hungary and
Slovakia. Eastern European rail passes cost $230 1st Class/$162 2nd
class for five days of travel in Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic etc.
if purchased >from the US. Is this less expensive than the cost of rail
tickets purchased in Hungary and Slovakia? Please respond off-list.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching (partial list):

GRUNVALD/Bratislava, Michalovce, Humenne, Slov.
KOHN/Ung megye, Hung.
MARKUS/Sepsiszentgyorgy, Hung. (Sfante Gheorghu, Rom)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz, Kosice
(Kassa),Ungvar, Michalovce, Presov, NYC, Cleveland
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt), Slov.
POLACSEK/ROZENBERG/Sobrance
SIMKO/Kosice
VERO/Debrecen, Nyirbator


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian-Slovak Rail Travel #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I'm planning to travel by rail during my upcoming trip to Hungary and
Slovakia. Eastern European rail passes cost $230 1st Class/$162 2nd
class for five days of travel in Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic etc.
if purchased >from the US. Is this less expensive than the cost of rail
tickets purchased in Hungary and Slovakia? Please respond off-list.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching (partial list):

GRUNVALD/Bratislava, Michalovce, Humenne, Slov.
KOHN/Ung megye, Hung.
MARKUS/Sepsiszentgyorgy, Hung. (Sfante Gheorghu, Rom)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz, Kosice
(Kassa),Ungvar, Michalovce, Presov, NYC, Cleveland
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt), Slov.
POLACSEK/ROZENBERG/Sobrance
SIMKO/Kosice
VERO/Debrecen, Nyirbator


South Prussian Land Records 1793 -94 #poland

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@...>
 

Dear Researchers,

I have recently come across a website that has extensive listings of names
from 1793 - 94 Land records for South Prussia.
I can not testify that it contains Jewish records, however, I have seen
names that certainly would suggest such. I hope others can find this of
value

The address is: www.genealogy.drefs.net/introduction.htm

Regards

Geoff Kaiser
Melbourne
AUSTRALIA


JRI Poland #Poland South Prussian Land Records 1793 -94 #poland

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@...>
 

Dear Researchers,

I have recently come across a website that has extensive listings of names
from 1793 - 94 Land records for South Prussia.
I can not testify that it contains Jewish records, however, I have seen
names that certainly would suggest such. I hope others can find this of
value

The address is: www.genealogy.drefs.net/introduction.htm

Regards

Geoff Kaiser
Melbourne
AUSTRALIA


Henry Minczeles #lithuania

Lev Raphael <levraphael@...>
 

Has anyone read this book?

Vilna Wilno Vilnius : La Jérusalem de Lituanie
de Henri Minczeles

Is it illustrated?

Thanks,
Lev Raphael


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Henry Minczeles #lithuania

Lev Raphael <levraphael@...>
 

Has anyone read this book?

Vilna Wilno Vilnius : La Jérusalem de Lituanie
de Henri Minczeles

Is it illustrated?

Thanks,
Lev Raphael


Searching: HORETZKY and BRAININ #germany

oedekerk@...
 

Dear Genners,
I am new to this site and would be appreciative if someone could answer the
following two questions:

1. Roots, history, and origin of any family member of the last name
HORETZKY (please only this spelling!).

2. Meaning and origin of the last name BRAININ.

Thank you for each clue and contribution.

Best regards, Bo Brainin Germany oedekerk@gmx.net


German SIG #Germany Searching: HORETZKY and BRAININ #germany

oedekerk@...
 

Dear Genners,
I am new to this site and would be appreciative if someone could answer the
following two questions:

1. Roots, history, and origin of any family member of the last name
HORETZKY (please only this spelling!).

2. Meaning and origin of the last name BRAININ.

Thank you for each clue and contribution.

Best regards, Bo Brainin Germany oedekerk@gmx.net


re; Stromwasserowna #poland

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Robert Strumwasser of Sharon, MA who is engaged in
one-surname-research on the surname STROMWASSER
(sometimes SZTROMWASSER) recently came across a woman
whose name is given as Eliza STROMWASSEROWNA. She was
from Zbarazh in eastern Galicia and was studying
in Krakow. He wonders what exactly this suffix
signifies.

I must state clearly that I am not an expert on
Stromwasser, family names or Russian and/or
Polish/Czech suffixes, but have checked them out on
Google and we have had some detailed answers on the
jri-pl and the General Discussion Group, which I found
enlightening.

I do know however that many Galicians settled in
Bohemia and Moravia in the 1800s and 1900s. These
women would have had suffixes "ova" at the end of
their family names.

There are two STROMWASSEROVA listed on Yad Vashem as
dying in Theresienstadt. I presume they came from
Czech-speaking areas and may have been Galician in
origin. I wonder if Robert has noted them in his
research? No further details are given. They may be
mother and daughter. There is sadly no testimony:

Stromwasserova Antonie dob 1905
Stromwasserova Medea dob 1928

If you google - ova czech suffix - you will see some
interesting disussion on the suffix.

Even the Germans used a suffix for women, which you
may come across in early documents: namely "in".

In Switzerland, this "in" suffix was still used in the
late 19th century. In Germany, Austria and the Czech
lands it was discarded in the early 19th century.


Celia Male [UK]


JRI Poland #Poland re; Stromwasserowna #poland

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Robert Strumwasser of Sharon, MA who is engaged in
one-surname-research on the surname STROMWASSER
(sometimes SZTROMWASSER) recently came across a woman
whose name is given as Eliza STROMWASSEROWNA. She was
from Zbarazh in eastern Galicia and was studying
in Krakow. He wonders what exactly this suffix
signifies.

I must state clearly that I am not an expert on
Stromwasser, family names or Russian and/or
Polish/Czech suffixes, but have checked them out on
Google and we have had some detailed answers on the
jri-pl and the General Discussion Group, which I found
enlightening.

I do know however that many Galicians settled in
Bohemia and Moravia in the 1800s and 1900s. These
women would have had suffixes "ova" at the end of
their family names.

There are two STROMWASSEROVA listed on Yad Vashem as
dying in Theresienstadt. I presume they came from
Czech-speaking areas and may have been Galician in
origin. I wonder if Robert has noted them in his
research? No further details are given. They may be
mother and daughter. There is sadly no testimony:

Stromwasserova Antonie dob 1905
Stromwasserova Medea dob 1928

If you google - ova czech suffix - you will see some
interesting disussion on the suffix.

Even the Germans used a suffix for women, which you
may come across in early documents: namely "in".

In Switzerland, this "in" suffix was still used in the
late 19th century. In Germany, Austria and the Czech
lands it was discarded in the early 19th century.


Celia Male [UK]