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Poland's Partitions and origin of the Jewish surnames #galicia

Marlene <mlbishow@...>
 

On Sun, 29 May 2005, alexander sharon wrote:

Galicia

As it is generally known, Galician Jews have been compelled to adopt German
sounding surnames in 1787 during Joseph II, Empress Maria Theresa's son
rule, following the introduction in 1781 the first genuine reforms in
Central Europe - Judenreformen und Toleranzpatent (Jew-reforms and Edicts of
Tolerance).

When in 1772 during the 1st Partition, Austria has captured new lands, which
covered all of Western and Eastern Galicia, the Empire 1787 rule of surname
adoption was extended to the all territories. This also included parts of
Wolyn and Podolia that have captured by Austria at the same time.

This rule was extended to the regions of Sandomierz, Lublin and Radom
acquired by Austria on 1795.
--------------------------------------

Is a list available of the permitted names for Galicia?

My family names are DEUTSCHER, NUSSBAUM and KATZ. The first two are
obviouslu germanic, but KATZ is not. assuming that the KATZ family was in
Galicia after the edict and during the period of enforcement, is it likely
that the only way that they could get away with using that name, was by
paying a bribe?

I have been told that KATZ is a relatively unusual name for Galicia. Any
comments?

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Rockville, MD

Researching:

KATZ in Zuravno
DEUTSCHER & NUSSBAUM in Rozniatow


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Poland's Partitions and origin of the Jewish surnames #galicia

Marlene <mlbishow@...>
 

On Sun, 29 May 2005, alexander sharon wrote:

Galicia

As it is generally known, Galician Jews have been compelled to adopt German
sounding surnames in 1787 during Joseph II, Empress Maria Theresa's son
rule, following the introduction in 1781 the first genuine reforms in
Central Europe - Judenreformen und Toleranzpatent (Jew-reforms and Edicts of
Tolerance).

When in 1772 during the 1st Partition, Austria has captured new lands, which
covered all of Western and Eastern Galicia, the Empire 1787 rule of surname
adoption was extended to the all territories. This also included parts of
Wolyn and Podolia that have captured by Austria at the same time.

This rule was extended to the regions of Sandomierz, Lublin and Radom
acquired by Austria on 1795.
--------------------------------------

Is a list available of the permitted names for Galicia?

My family names are DEUTSCHER, NUSSBAUM and KATZ. The first two are
obviouslu germanic, but KATZ is not. assuming that the KATZ family was in
Galicia after the edict and during the period of enforcement, is it likely
that the only way that they could get away with using that name, was by
paying a bribe?

I have been told that KATZ is a relatively unusual name for Galicia. Any
comments?

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Rockville, MD

Researching:

KATZ in Zuravno
DEUTSCHER & NUSSBAUM in Rozniatow


Western/Eastern Galicia (again) #galicia

Marlene <mlbishow@...>
 

Dear Alexander:

I have been following the thread on the history of Galicia and now on the
German surnames and I have found both to be very interesting and
informative. My father's family was >from Rozniatow and Zurawno, in what I
have always referred to as central Galicia, I do not read German, Russian,
or Polish, so I rely on knowledgeable folks like you, to translate and
interpret the history books written in those languages. Your recent writing
has left me with several questions that relate specifically to my family,
but which might be of interest to others in our group.

In 1676, during the Turkish and Tartar Wars, the Battle of Zurawno was
fought for three weeks in late September through mid October. After this
battle, a treaty was signed and a large number of Polish prisoners were
repatriated. It appears that Zurawno was retained as a part of the Polish
territories.I know that after the partitions, Zurawno and Rozniatow became
part of the Austrian crownland of Galicia, but I am not certain when this
happened. During the inter-war period, I know that a cousin, who was still
living in Zurawno, served in the Polish army and on all documents (manifests
et al), my relatives referred to themselves as Poles, whereas my
grandparents, who arrived in the US in 1907 and 1912, indicated that they
were Austrian or Galician.

1) When during the partitions did Rozniatow and Zurawno become part of
Austria?

2) Where do Rozniatow and Zurawno fit into your previous discussion of East
and West Galicia?

Thank you (and others) for this interesting and informative discussion.

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Rockville, MD

Researching:
KATZ in Zuravno
DEUTSCHER and NUSSBAUM in Rozniatow


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Western/Eastern Galicia (again) #galicia

Marlene <mlbishow@...>
 

Dear Alexander:

I have been following the thread on the history of Galicia and now on the
German surnames and I have found both to be very interesting and
informative. My father's family was >from Rozniatow and Zurawno, in what I
have always referred to as central Galicia, I do not read German, Russian,
or Polish, so I rely on knowledgeable folks like you, to translate and
interpret the history books written in those languages. Your recent writing
has left me with several questions that relate specifically to my family,
but which might be of interest to others in our group.

In 1676, during the Turkish and Tartar Wars, the Battle of Zurawno was
fought for three weeks in late September through mid October. After this
battle, a treaty was signed and a large number of Polish prisoners were
repatriated. It appears that Zurawno was retained as a part of the Polish
territories.I know that after the partitions, Zurawno and Rozniatow became
part of the Austrian crownland of Galicia, but I am not certain when this
happened. During the inter-war period, I know that a cousin, who was still
living in Zurawno, served in the Polish army and on all documents (manifests
et al), my relatives referred to themselves as Poles, whereas my
grandparents, who arrived in the US in 1907 and 1912, indicated that they
were Austrian or Galician.

1) When during the partitions did Rozniatow and Zurawno become part of
Austria?

2) Where do Rozniatow and Zurawno fit into your previous discussion of East
and West Galicia?

Thank you (and others) for this interesting and informative discussion.

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Rockville, MD

Researching:
KATZ in Zuravno
DEUTSCHER and NUSSBAUM in Rozniatow


Siddur Rashi #rabbinic

Bernard Weill
 

Fellow genners,

Anyone familiar with the rabbi who authored the sefer (Hebrew book)
Siddur Rashi? Is this sefer still available and what is the
background of its author. Thank you.

Bezalel Weill
Brooklyn, NY

[Moderator's Note: Please respond privately if your message includes
suggestions of commercial availability.]


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Siddur Rashi #rabbinic

Bernard Weill
 

Fellow genners,

Anyone familiar with the rabbi who authored the sefer (Hebrew book)
Siddur Rashi? Is this sefer still available and what is the
background of its author. Thank you.

Bezalel Weill
Brooklyn, NY

[Moderator's Note: Please respond privately if your message includes
suggestions of commercial availability.]


Re: Rabbinical ancestors from Berdichev #rabbinic

Benjamin Richler <benjaminr@...>
 

On 2005.05.28, Joel Trupin <ktrupin@msn.com>, wrote:

According to stories told to my father, who was born in Berdichev
in late 1899, and whose birth name was Pinhas DENOWITZ (or
DUNEVITZ), his grandfather was a rosh yeshiva called Pinhas deh
lehrer
[...] the book, Siftei Tzadikkim, published in Lemberg in 1863,
[...] The author of this book was Pinhas of Dinovitz. He may be
my father's grandfather.
The author of Siftei Tzadikkim was Pinchas LERNER of Dunevitz

Benjamin Richler


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Rabbinical ancestors from Berdichev #rabbinic

Benjamin Richler <benjaminr@...>
 

On 2005.05.28, Joel Trupin <ktrupin@msn.com>, wrote:

According to stories told to my father, who was born in Berdichev
in late 1899, and whose birth name was Pinhas DENOWITZ (or
DUNEVITZ), his grandfather was a rosh yeshiva called Pinhas deh
lehrer
[...] the book, Siftei Tzadikkim, published in Lemberg in 1863,
[...] The author of this book was Pinhas of Dinovitz. He may be
my father's grandfather.
The author of Siftei Tzadikkim was Pinchas LERNER of Dunevitz

Benjamin Richler


Thank you: Re: Seeking Adela HARAP nee BRAND in Israel #general

NATALIE LAMB
 

I am always so impressed with the kindness and support that JewishGenners go
out of their way to show each other.

Already I have heard >from two very wonderful people living in Israel, who
have both looked up Adela Harap's number and called her to explain why I
want to get in touch with her. It has been arranged that I can phone her
daughter, who speaks English.

I have written offline to thank these wonderful people individually for
coming to my help so quickly, but I am also posting this message to the list
to save anyone else >from going to the trouble of contacting her on my
behalf.

Kind regards

Natalie Lamb
Berkshire, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you: Re: Seeking Adela HARAP nee BRAND in Israel #general

NATALIE LAMB
 

I am always so impressed with the kindness and support that JewishGenners go
out of their way to show each other.

Already I have heard >from two very wonderful people living in Israel, who
have both looked up Adela Harap's number and called her to explain why I
want to get in touch with her. It has been arranged that I can phone her
daughter, who speaks English.

I have written offline to thank these wonderful people individually for
coming to my help so quickly, but I am also posting this message to the list
to save anyone else >from going to the trouble of contacting her on my
behalf.

Kind regards

Natalie Lamb
Berkshire, England


Additional information for the meeting of the IGS-Negev #general

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

To begin our evening at the IGS-Negev on Wednesday 1 June, Professor
Yossi Regev will open the evening with a talk on "Discovering past
generations" . After the death of his mother, Yossi decided to record
the collective memory of his family. He will relate how he overcame
obstacles, some of the simple solutions he found to problems that
cropped up and some interesting stories.

We will use Yossi's lecture as a starting point to discuss ways around
seemingly irresolvable problems and we will discuss strategies to solve
some of the problems our members have mentioned.

Meeting Announcement - June 2005 -

Israel Genealogical Society - Negev Branch
" HaHevra HaGenealogit HaIsraelit "
* * * * * *
The next meeting of the IGS-Negev branch will take place:
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2005

Time: 20:00 (Library open >from 7:30)

Place: Kehilat Magen Avraham
Corner of Rehov Ad-Ad and Rehov Margalit
Omer

As a follow-up to our last meeting, which indicated strategies for
breaking down brick walls and forging ahead on research, despite all
odds, this month we would like to deal with possible problems that have
been stumping you. We would like you to tell us what you have done so
far in trying to solve those problems so that we can collectively help
you out. Alternately, you should bring in problems that you have no
idea how to approach so that we might suggest possible strategies to
solve them. This is your chance to get the in depth help that you may
need.

Since there are so many of us, and in order to be able to help those
who need it most, please send me the problems that you want us to work
on prior to our meeting, as soon as you can.

Thank you!


Phones for details or questions:
Martha Lev-Zion - 6460494
Shirley Rosen - 6422589

Visit the web site of IGS: www.isragen.org.il

The Israel Genealogy Society
P.O.Box 4270 Jerusalem 91041
igs@isragen.org.il

Chana Furman ehfurman@netvision.net.il Phone: (972) (8) 688 0884


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Additional information for the meeting of the IGS-Negev #general

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

To begin our evening at the IGS-Negev on Wednesday 1 June, Professor
Yossi Regev will open the evening with a talk on "Discovering past
generations" . After the death of his mother, Yossi decided to record
the collective memory of his family. He will relate how he overcame
obstacles, some of the simple solutions he found to problems that
cropped up and some interesting stories.

We will use Yossi's lecture as a starting point to discuss ways around
seemingly irresolvable problems and we will discuss strategies to solve
some of the problems our members have mentioned.

Meeting Announcement - June 2005 -

Israel Genealogical Society - Negev Branch
" HaHevra HaGenealogit HaIsraelit "
* * * * * *
The next meeting of the IGS-Negev branch will take place:
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2005

Time: 20:00 (Library open >from 7:30)

Place: Kehilat Magen Avraham
Corner of Rehov Ad-Ad and Rehov Margalit
Omer

As a follow-up to our last meeting, which indicated strategies for
breaking down brick walls and forging ahead on research, despite all
odds, this month we would like to deal with possible problems that have
been stumping you. We would like you to tell us what you have done so
far in trying to solve those problems so that we can collectively help
you out. Alternately, you should bring in problems that you have no
idea how to approach so that we might suggest possible strategies to
solve them. This is your chance to get the in depth help that you may
need.

Since there are so many of us, and in order to be able to help those
who need it most, please send me the problems that you want us to work
on prior to our meeting, as soon as you can.

Thank you!


Phones for details or questions:
Martha Lev-Zion - 6460494
Shirley Rosen - 6422589

Visit the web site of IGS: www.isragen.org.il

The Israel Genealogy Society
P.O.Box 4270 Jerusalem 91041
igs@isragen.org.il

Chana Furman ehfurman@netvision.net.il Phone: (972) (8) 688 0884


Re: Liechtenstein / Vetsch #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article < 200505300919_MC3-1-A021-5284@compuserve.com >,
KARPLUS Hermann < HermannKARPLUS@compuserve.com > wrote:

I am looking for two Shetls with Jewish population:
Liechtenstein (Germany, near Dresden ?) and
I assume you don't mean the country Liechtenstein.
The Shtetl-Seeker < http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/ >
gives three "hits" named Lichtenstein, the closest being
23.6 miles >from Dresden.

Vetsch (spelling ?)
Possibly the Hungarian town Vecs, which (perhaps not by
coincidence) was the birthplace of Rabbi Hillel Lichtenstein?

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Liechtenstein / Vetsch #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article < 200505300919_MC3-1-A021-5284@compuserve.com >,
KARPLUS Hermann < HermannKARPLUS@compuserve.com > wrote:

I am looking for two Shetls with Jewish population:
Liechtenstein (Germany, near Dresden ?) and
I assume you don't mean the country Liechtenstein.
The Shtetl-Seeker < http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/ >
gives three "hits" named Lichtenstein, the closest being
23.6 miles >from Dresden.

Vetsch (spelling ?)
Possibly the Hungarian town Vecs, which (perhaps not by
coincidence) was the birthplace of Rabbi Hillel Lichtenstein?

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


Re: Resolved: Approaching someone from long ago and far away #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

I believe in the old adage - "nothing ventured, nothing gained."

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ


Hello Friends,
Hardly a week ago I posted a query regarding an elderly gentleman I
wanted to contact who was the brother of a woman briefly married to my
late great-uncle many years ago. A child had resulted and I wanted to
contact her, plus learn the usual things. I was uncertain how to
proceed and a number of you were kind enough to offer your suggestions.

I sent him a letter earlier in the week and he called me today. He is
96 years old and of clear mind.He said he had wondered what had become
of the family. Unfortunately his neice is senile and he was
uncomfortable about my contacting her adult children. He was unaware
whether they knew about her natural father and I told him I would leave
things as they were.

As all of those folks who answered said, "What have you got to lose?"
You were all so right!

Regards,
H. Baldwin
Rocklin, CA >>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Resolved: Approaching someone from long ago and far away #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

I believe in the old adage - "nothing ventured, nothing gained."

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ


Hello Friends,
Hardly a week ago I posted a query regarding an elderly gentleman I
wanted to contact who was the brother of a woman briefly married to my
late great-uncle many years ago. A child had resulted and I wanted to
contact her, plus learn the usual things. I was uncertain how to
proceed and a number of you were kind enough to offer your suggestions.

I sent him a letter earlier in the week and he called me today. He is
96 years old and of clear mind.He said he had wondered what had become
of the family. Unfortunately his neice is senile and he was
uncomfortable about my contacting her adult children. He was unaware
whether they knew about her natural father and I told him I would leave
things as they were.

As all of those folks who answered said, "What have you got to lose?"
You were all so right!

Regards,
H. Baldwin
Rocklin, CA >>>


Online phone book for Herzlia, Israel - research Pollak #general

polyakp@...
 

Dear all,
I am asking a help to find the internet phonebook of city Hertzlia of
State Israel.
Research: POLLAK, MOSKOVICS-Romania (Petrova, Maramures and Oradea);
GRENWALD-Ashdod (Israel or US).
Best regards, Peter Polyak e-mail:Polyakp@samaramail.ru


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Online phone book for Herzlia, Israel - research Pollak #general

polyakp@...
 

Dear all,
I am asking a help to find the internet phonebook of city Hertzlia of
State Israel.
Research: POLLAK, MOSKOVICS-Romania (Petrova, Maramures and Oradea);
GRENWALD-Ashdod (Israel or US).
Best regards, Peter Polyak e-mail:Polyakp@samaramail.ru


Blocking messages #general

Natalie Spencer Carroll
 

In response to:

I am at a loss to understand why some ask for responses to genealogy
inquiries and then, when attempts are made by the rest of us to help our,
block replies into their eMail by asking us to sign up for their
spam-blocking programs.>>>

My reason for having my settings on high is because for every message that
I want, a suitcase full of messages come I don't want. Some bringing
spyware, viruses and worms. The benefit, besides the obvious, is that all
these messages are not stored in my computer until I request them. I
apologize for any inconvenience that may cause you the sender. Is this not
similar to people who give us their email address and ask us to delete
certain parts of it for obvious reasons?

Gerald I. Simon

Simon Carroll
gilmore3@ix.netcom.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Blocking messages #general

Natalie Spencer Carroll
 

In response to:

I am at a loss to understand why some ask for responses to genealogy
inquiries and then, when attempts are made by the rest of us to help our,
block replies into their eMail by asking us to sign up for their
spam-blocking programs.>>>

My reason for having my settings on high is because for every message that
I want, a suitcase full of messages come I don't want. Some bringing
spyware, viruses and worms. The benefit, besides the obvious, is that all
these messages are not stored in my computer until I request them. I
apologize for any inconvenience that may cause you the sender. Is this not
similar to people who give us their email address and ask us to delete
certain parts of it for obvious reasons?

Gerald I. Simon

Simon Carroll
gilmore3@ix.netcom.com