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Thank you for posting re: SA Jewish Rootsbank #southafrica

SBWeiner@...
 

Jordan,
Thank you for posting info about the S A Jewish Rootsbank
(http://grub.its.uct.ac.za/cgi/cgi_RootWeb.exe).
I may have found some new data on my CHIMES family there.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Susan B. Weiner, Boston


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Thank you for posting re: SA Jewish Rootsbank #southafrica

SBWeiner@...
 

Jordan,
Thank you for posting info about the S A Jewish Rootsbank
(http://grub.its.uct.ac.za/cgi/cgi_RootWeb.exe).
I may have found some new data on my CHIMES family there.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Susan B. Weiner, Boston


THE 25TH IAJGS INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON JEWISH GENEALOGY #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

THE 25TH IAJGS INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE
ON JEWISH GENEALOGY

LAS VEGAS, NEVADA

JULY 10-15, 200
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 2005
Contact Marilyn Barkan 702-869-9917 marilynbarkan@...

EARLY REGISTRATION RATES AVAILABLE THROUGH MAY 1!
ONLINE REGISTRATION AVAILABLE AT:

www.jewishgen.org/jgs/jgs-southernnevada/Shelley/home.htm

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Southern Nevada (JGSSN) is proud to be the
host society for the 25th Annual International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy to be held at the Flamingo Hotel in Las Vegas. We are inviting all
who have an interest in finding their family history to join us.

This Conference has several new features to help advance your research
efforts. You'll be introduced to new databases and exposed to an array of
topics that will only whet your appetite for more. Conference attendees
will be able to question a number of experts, and meet with people
researching the same family lines or ancestral towns.

Plans for the Conference include activities and events for registrants and
their spouses or companions that will appeal to all. The comprehensive
Conference will be organized around themes so that registrants can easily
attend multiple sessions related to their interests. Subjects will be
presented in a variety of formats such as lectures, workshops, hands-on
demonstrations, panel discussions, films, book and author talks and author
signings. Time will be available to have discussions, ask questions and
interact with the presenters. "Breakfast with the Expert" sessions will be
available throughout the Conference.

What you can expect:

Ø A 750+ page Conference syllabus

Ø Welcome address at the opening reception by Congresswoman, Shelley
Berkley (D-NV)

Ø Presentations throughout the Conference by highly regarded national
and international experts on a wide range of geographic regions and
genealogical topics. Included in this will be knowledge needed for
conducting Jewish genealogy, research talks covering
lesser-known communities, the history and culture of Jews in Eastern Europe,
and online genealogy for research persons, families and shtetls.

Ø Some of our more than 70 speakers include:

§ Dr. Alexander Beider - author of Dictionary of Jewish Surnames
from Galicia
§ Dr. John Colleta - expert/author of They Came in Ships

§ Dr. Stephen P. Morse - creator of "One Step" Ellis Island records
search engine and other major genealogical records research engines

§ Miriam Weiner - well known for her first-hand unearthing of
records in Poland, Moldova, and Ukraine and author of Jewish Roots in
Poland, and Jewish Roots in Ukraine and Moldova.

Ø Networking opportunities will be offered by attending luncheons with
Special Interest Groups (SIGs), or Birds of Feather sessions that focus on
specific regions, shtetls etc.

Ø Peruse books, software and other articles of interest as shown by our
vendors

Ø Computer Workshop with access to multiple databases and
demonstrations


Our closing BANQUET (with kosher and vegetarian entrees available) will
feature His Honor Mayor Oscar Goodman of Las Vegas. You don't want to miss
the world's happiest mayor. In addition, professional musical entertainment
will also be provided.

Conference registration rates are: Early Registration (through May 1) $200;
Regular Registration (after May 1) $230. Discounts are available for
spouse/companion. For more detailed information re: registration, visit our
website at:

www.jewishgen.org/jgs/jgs-southernnevada/Shelley/home.htm

Register soon so that you can take advantage of the very good hotel rate of
$61 per night. You may extend your stay for 5 days before and/or after for
the same rate. Special Tour rates have been made available for conference
attendees.

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Southern Nevada was established in 1989,
small but determined. The Society has grown >from the original 8 members to
almost 80. We publish a quarterly newsletter, "Family Legacies" and a
monthly "News to Note" handout. As a group, we participate in Jewish
community activities such as providing a genealogy booth at the Israel
Independence Day celebration, volunteering to assist our local PBS station,
and working with the Jewish Federation and the Jewish Community Center. The
conference, hosted by JGSSN, is the recipient of a Las Vegas Centennial
grant.

A library of research material has been established and is available to our
members. It has books, periodicals, CD's and videos. The Society recently
received a grant >from the Jewish Federation to purchase additional books for
the library. Our active Speaker's Bureau spreads the good word for our
Society. A database of Jewish names >from headstones at local cemeteries
will soon be available on our website.

Additional information re: the JGSSN can be found on our website at:
www.jgssn.org


MAXMILIAN THALWITZER in South Africa #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Louis Herrman in his "History of the Jews in South
Africa" names Maxmilian THALWITZER amongst Jews who
came to the Cape in 1823.

A descendant of a Maxmilian THALWITZER has sent me
information that her ancestor was born and baptised in
1798. He married in South Africa in 1825.

Is it possible that there were two Maxmilian
Thalwitzers in the Cape in the 1820s, one Jewish and
the other not?

The answer to this question will be of great help with
some research that I am doing.

Adam Yamey, London, UK<adamandlopa@...>


SHIRKIN in Johannesburg #southafrica

Martin Miller <millerm@...>
 

Thanks to the database at http://grub.its.uct.ac.za/cgi/cgi_RootWeb.exe, I
am now researching another name.

According to the 1927 arrivals, it looks like my wife's great uncle was
traveling to a cousin, one H. SHIRKIN at 29 Upp. Ross Str Doornfontein, Jhb.

We have hundreds of names on the family tree, but this one is a new one.

I'd be grateful for any information or suggestions.

All the best,


Martin D. Miller
Syracuse, NY

mailto:millerm@...
http://web.syr.edu/~millerm/index.htm


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica THE 25TH IAJGS INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON JEWISH GENEALOGY #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

THE 25TH IAJGS INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE
ON JEWISH GENEALOGY

LAS VEGAS, NEVADA

JULY 10-15, 200
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 2005
Contact Marilyn Barkan 702-869-9917 marilynbarkan@...

EARLY REGISTRATION RATES AVAILABLE THROUGH MAY 1!
ONLINE REGISTRATION AVAILABLE AT:

www.jewishgen.org/jgs/jgs-southernnevada/Shelley/home.htm

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Southern Nevada (JGSSN) is proud to be the
host society for the 25th Annual International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy to be held at the Flamingo Hotel in Las Vegas. We are inviting all
who have an interest in finding their family history to join us.

This Conference has several new features to help advance your research
efforts. You'll be introduced to new databases and exposed to an array of
topics that will only whet your appetite for more. Conference attendees
will be able to question a number of experts, and meet with people
researching the same family lines or ancestral towns.

Plans for the Conference include activities and events for registrants and
their spouses or companions that will appeal to all. The comprehensive
Conference will be organized around themes so that registrants can easily
attend multiple sessions related to their interests. Subjects will be
presented in a variety of formats such as lectures, workshops, hands-on
demonstrations, panel discussions, films, book and author talks and author
signings. Time will be available to have discussions, ask questions and
interact with the presenters. "Breakfast with the Expert" sessions will be
available throughout the Conference.

What you can expect:

Ø A 750+ page Conference syllabus

Ø Welcome address at the opening reception by Congresswoman, Shelley
Berkley (D-NV)

Ø Presentations throughout the Conference by highly regarded national
and international experts on a wide range of geographic regions and
genealogical topics. Included in this will be knowledge needed for
conducting Jewish genealogy, research talks covering
lesser-known communities, the history and culture of Jews in Eastern Europe,
and online genealogy for research persons, families and shtetls.

Ø Some of our more than 70 speakers include:

§ Dr. Alexander Beider - author of Dictionary of Jewish Surnames
from Galicia
§ Dr. John Colleta - expert/author of They Came in Ships

§ Dr. Stephen P. Morse - creator of "One Step" Ellis Island records
search engine and other major genealogical records research engines

§ Miriam Weiner - well known for her first-hand unearthing of
records in Poland, Moldova, and Ukraine and author of Jewish Roots in
Poland, and Jewish Roots in Ukraine and Moldova.

Ø Networking opportunities will be offered by attending luncheons with
Special Interest Groups (SIGs), or Birds of Feather sessions that focus on
specific regions, shtetls etc.

Ø Peruse books, software and other articles of interest as shown by our
vendors

Ø Computer Workshop with access to multiple databases and
demonstrations


Our closing BANQUET (with kosher and vegetarian entrees available) will
feature His Honor Mayor Oscar Goodman of Las Vegas. You don't want to miss
the world's happiest mayor. In addition, professional musical entertainment
will also be provided.

Conference registration rates are: Early Registration (through May 1) $200;
Regular Registration (after May 1) $230. Discounts are available for
spouse/companion. For more detailed information re: registration, visit our
website at:

www.jewishgen.org/jgs/jgs-southernnevada/Shelley/home.htm

Register soon so that you can take advantage of the very good hotel rate of
$61 per night. You may extend your stay for 5 days before and/or after for
the same rate. Special Tour rates have been made available for conference
attendees.

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Southern Nevada was established in 1989,
small but determined. The Society has grown >from the original 8 members to
almost 80. We publish a quarterly newsletter, "Family Legacies" and a
monthly "News to Note" handout. As a group, we participate in Jewish
community activities such as providing a genealogy booth at the Israel
Independence Day celebration, volunteering to assist our local PBS station,
and working with the Jewish Federation and the Jewish Community Center. The
conference, hosted by JGSSN, is the recipient of a Las Vegas Centennial
grant.

A library of research material has been established and is available to our
members. It has books, periodicals, CD's and videos. The Society recently
received a grant >from the Jewish Federation to purchase additional books for
the library. Our active Speaker's Bureau spreads the good word for our
Society. A database of Jewish names >from headstones at local cemeteries
will soon be available on our website.

Additional information re: the JGSSN can be found on our website at:
www.jgssn.org


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica MAXMILIAN THALWITZER in South Africa #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Louis Herrman in his "History of the Jews in South
Africa" names Maxmilian THALWITZER amongst Jews who
came to the Cape in 1823.

A descendant of a Maxmilian THALWITZER has sent me
information that her ancestor was born and baptised in
1798. He married in South Africa in 1825.

Is it possible that there were two Maxmilian
Thalwitzers in the Cape in the 1820s, one Jewish and
the other not?

The answer to this question will be of great help with
some research that I am doing.

Adam Yamey, London, UK<adamandlopa@...>


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica SHIRKIN in Johannesburg #southafrica

Martin Miller <millerm@...>
 

Thanks to the database at http://grub.its.uct.ac.za/cgi/cgi_RootWeb.exe, I
am now researching another name.

According to the 1927 arrivals, it looks like my wife's great uncle was
traveling to a cousin, one H. SHIRKIN at 29 Upp. Ross Str Doornfontein, Jhb.

We have hundreds of names on the family tree, but this one is a new one.

I'd be grateful for any information or suggestions.

All the best,


Martin D. Miller
Syracuse, NY

mailto:millerm@...
http://web.syr.edu/~millerm/index.htm


Re: Searchable Jewish Database #southafrica

sisitsky@...
 

Thank you for sharing the information -- I was able to locate of few of my BIRK
relatives.

Joel Sisitsky

---- Jordan Beagle <jordan@...> wrote:

I have recently stumbled across this extremely useful database called
the S A Jewish Rootsbank:

http://grub.its.uct.ac.za/cgi/cgi_RootWeb.exe

The database is housed at the University of Cape Town under the auspices
of the
Isaac and Jessie Kaplan Centre.

Pehaps a link should be placed on the South African SIG web page?


Regards
Jordan Beagle
Johannesburg


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Searchable Jewish Database #southafrica

sisitsky@...
 

Thank you for sharing the information -- I was able to locate of few of my BIRK
relatives.

Joel Sisitsky

---- Jordan Beagle <jordan@...> wrote:

I have recently stumbled across this extremely useful database called
the S A Jewish Rootsbank:

http://grub.its.uct.ac.za/cgi/cgi_RootWeb.exe

The database is housed at the University of Cape Town under the auspices
of the
Isaac and Jessie Kaplan Centre.

Pehaps a link should be placed on the South African SIG web page?


Regards
Jordan Beagle
Johannesburg


Re: Searchable Jewish Database #southafrica

Martin Miller <millerm@...>
 

Thanks for this wonderful piece of information.

I already have found arrival records for my father in law's aunt and uncle
who immigrated to South Africa and lived in Johannesburg: Rae Berkman
Lapidus her brother Saul. The records say that Rae was traveling to a cousin
Senderowitz, who is known to us, but Saul was going to a cousin Shirkin, and
that name is a new one.

We also had some Bloch relatives in South Africa. All were >from Lithuania
and East Prussia.

All the best,

Martin D. Miller
Syracuse, NY

mailto:millerm@...
http://web.syr.edu/~millerm/index.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: Jordan Beagle [mailto:jordan@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:36 AM
To: South Africa SIG
Subject: [safrica] Searchable Jewish Database

I have recently stumbled across this extremely useful database called
the S A Jewish Rootsbank:

http://grub.its.uct.ac.za/cgi/cgi_RootWeb.exe

The database is housed at the University of Cape Town under the auspices
of the
Isaac and Jessie Kaplan Centre.

Pehaps a link should be placed on the South African SIG web page?


Regards
Jordan Beagle
Johannesburg


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica RE: Searchable Jewish Database #southafrica

Martin Miller <millerm@...>
 

Thanks for this wonderful piece of information.

I already have found arrival records for my father in law's aunt and uncle
who immigrated to South Africa and lived in Johannesburg: Rae Berkman
Lapidus her brother Saul. The records say that Rae was traveling to a cousin
Senderowitz, who is known to us, but Saul was going to a cousin Shirkin, and
that name is a new one.

We also had some Bloch relatives in South Africa. All were >from Lithuania
and East Prussia.

All the best,

Martin D. Miller
Syracuse, NY

mailto:millerm@...
http://web.syr.edu/~millerm/index.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: Jordan Beagle [mailto:jordan@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:36 AM
To: South Africa SIG
Subject: [safrica] Searchable Jewish Database

I have recently stumbled across this extremely useful database called
the S A Jewish Rootsbank:

http://grub.its.uct.ac.za/cgi/cgi_RootWeb.exe

The database is housed at the University of Cape Town under the auspices
of the
Isaac and Jessie Kaplan Centre.

Pehaps a link should be placed on the South African SIG web page?


Regards
Jordan Beagle
Johannesburg


SA Jewish Roots Bank Database #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

Further to the posting of details of this site I would like to point out
that it is still very much in a development phase. There is a lot of work
going on regarding collection, checking, data entry and fine tuning of
data. Please also note that there is NOBODY at the centre who is available
to do your genealogical research.. you should not write to them and expect
answers, virtually all the research and resource contact details needed to
look at your SA Jewish ancestors are available on www.jewishgen.org/safrica.


The main work currently going on is capturing of digital images of the
Passenger Lists at the National Archives, Kew, London. The period >from 1890
to 1914 has largely been completed (still 3 years of London ship departures
to be done). The whole lot then has to be entered into the database, this
will take a year or more.

After that it's hoped that Naturalisation records can be entered, again a
mammoth task, which may be limited by the fragility of the material in the
SA National Archives.

On another note, if any members of this group have any types of lists
relating to S.S. Jewry please send them to me. There must be mohel
(circumcision) registers, membership lists of various cultural and sporting
associations, youth movement membership lists, etc.

We are also looking for family trees relating to Southern African Jewry,
preferably in Gedcom form, but other trees in MS Word can also be accepted.

Please note also that this Migration and Genealogy Project is not a
Jewishgen project (although I am connected to both). This is a project of
the Isaac and Jessie Kaplan Centre for Hebrew and Jewish Studies, in
Association with the South African Jewish Museum.
http://www.sajewishmuseum.co.za/frmlinks.htm


Saul Issroff
Project Director


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica SA Jewish Roots Bank Database #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

Further to the posting of details of this site I would like to point out
that it is still very much in a development phase. There is a lot of work
going on regarding collection, checking, data entry and fine tuning of
data. Please also note that there is NOBODY at the centre who is available
to do your genealogical research.. you should not write to them and expect
answers, virtually all the research and resource contact details needed to
look at your SA Jewish ancestors are available on www.jewishgen.org/safrica.


The main work currently going on is capturing of digital images of the
Passenger Lists at the National Archives, Kew, London. The period >from 1890
to 1914 has largely been completed (still 3 years of London ship departures
to be done). The whole lot then has to be entered into the database, this
will take a year or more.

After that it's hoped that Naturalisation records can be entered, again a
mammoth task, which may be limited by the fragility of the material in the
SA National Archives.

On another note, if any members of this group have any types of lists
relating to S.S. Jewry please send them to me. There must be mohel
(circumcision) registers, membership lists of various cultural and sporting
associations, youth movement membership lists, etc.

We are also looking for family trees relating to Southern African Jewry,
preferably in Gedcom form, but other trees in MS Word can also be accepted.

Please note also that this Migration and Genealogy Project is not a
Jewishgen project (although I am connected to both). This is a project of
the Isaac and Jessie Kaplan Centre for Hebrew and Jewish Studies, in
Association with the South African Jewish Museum.
http://www.sajewishmuseum.co.za/frmlinks.htm


Saul Issroff
Project Director


Some reminders for posting to the ROM-SIG! #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

from time to time, we like to remind all of our subscribers of the
rules for posting to the ROM-SIG, in order to make things easier and
more pleasant for us all!

Please abide by these key rules:
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Romania SIG #Romania Some reminders for posting to the ROM-SIG! #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

from time to time, we like to remind all of our subscribers of the
rules for posting to the ROM-SIG, in order to make things easier and
more pleasant for us all!

Please abide by these key rules:
1 - Compose posts as plain text. See further details at:
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2 - Provide a meaningful 'Subject:' line.
3 - Don't ramble off the topic of Jewish genealogy.
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To solve any other problem, please visit first the JewishGen Support
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Our forum is moderated and guidelines have been created to provide a
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of visiting us today and every day. Success with your research!

Rosanne Leeson
Paula Zieselman
Co-Coordinators
ROM-SIG


Some reminders for posting to the FrenchSIG! #france

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

from time to time, we like to remind all of our subscribers of the
rules for posting to the FrenchSIG, in order to make things easier and
more pleasant for us all!

Please abide by these key rules:
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of visiting us today and every day. Success with your research!

Rosanne Leeson
Pierre Hahn
Co-Coordinators
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French SIG #France Some reminders for posting to the FrenchSIG! #france

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

from time to time, we like to remind all of our subscribers of the
rules for posting to the FrenchSIG, in order to make things easier and
more pleasant for us all!

Please abide by these key rules:
1 - Compose posts as plain text. See further details at:
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2 - Provide a meaningful 'Subject:' line.
3 - Don't ramble off the topic of Jewish genealogy.
4 - Sign your article with full name and e-mail address, and city or
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5 - Before setting up any "Out of Office" or similar responders please
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To solve any other problem, please visit first the JewishGen Support
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Our forum is moderated and guidelines have been created to provide a
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fruitful avenue for additional research. We hope you'll make a point
of visiting us today and every day. Success with your research!

Rosanne Leeson
Pierre Hahn
Co-Coordinators
French IG


Re: Western and Eastern Galicia divisions - understanding the division and terms #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Eastern or Western Galicia?
Avrohom A. Krauss

Avrohom,

I do appreciate your contribution to this subject.

I have one comments as to the historical detail with respect to the Ukraine
situation in the Poland's interwar period.
It appers that there is a typo.

(...)

After the
dissolving of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which we will refer to as
period#
1 we may add two periods: # 2 The Inter-war period, when all of Galicia
became part of newly Independent Poland during (1922-39) (except for a
brief
period 1918-1922 when eastern Galicia was part of Ukraine) and # 3 the
post-WW II era 1944- present. (>from 1939-1941 Eastern Galicia was part of
Soviet dominion and >from 1941-1944 it was controlled by Germany).
West Ukrainian Peoples Republic (known as ZUNR in Ukrainian, an acronym of
Zakhidnia Ukrainskaya Narodnaya Respublika) have extremly very short life
span. It has been established on November 1918 and fell just few months
later in July 1919 when Poland occupied most of its territory and tried to
get Entente recognition for its rule in Galicia.

Although the Supreme Council of the Paris Peace Conference representing the
Entente instructed Poland on 25 June to occupy Ukrainian Galicia
temporarily, it recognized Galicia's special status. On 20 November it
drafted a treaty with Poland on the autonomy of eastern Galicia under the
higher administration of Poland for 25 years, but the Poles rejected that
treaty. The Conference of Ambassadors of the great powers of the Entente
finally recognized (12 March 1923) the Polish occupation, albeit with the
provision that eastern Galicia was to remain autonomous.

References:

1. Lozyns’kyi, M., Halychyna na myrovii konferentsi? v Paryzhi (Kamianets
1919)
2. Lozyns’kyi, M., Halychyna v rr. 1918–1920 (Vienna 1922; repr, New York
1970)
3. Levyts’kyi, K. Velykyi zryv (Lviv 1931)]

Jews have been keeping neutrality in the Polish-Ukrainian dispute, but they
have been severly punished by Poles who have organized Lwow pogrom on
November 22, 1919 by accusing Jews of supporting the Ukrainian side.

(It should be mentioned that very same scenario has been repeated again in
the other part of Poland as Polish forces invaded Belorussia and Lithuania,
by pogroms in Pinsk and Vilna)


Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Re:Western and Eastern Galicia divisions - understanding the division and terms #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Eastern or Western Galicia?
Avrohom A. Krauss

Avrohom,

I do appreciate your contribution to this subject.

I have one comments as to the historical detail with respect to the Ukraine
situation in the Poland's interwar period.
It appers that there is a typo.

(...)

After the
dissolving of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which we will refer to as
period#
1 we may add two periods: # 2 The Inter-war period, when all of Galicia
became part of newly Independent Poland during (1922-39) (except for a
brief
period 1918-1922 when eastern Galicia was part of Ukraine) and # 3 the
post-WW II era 1944- present. (>from 1939-1941 Eastern Galicia was part of
Soviet dominion and >from 1941-1944 it was controlled by Germany).
West Ukrainian Peoples Republic (known as ZUNR in Ukrainian, an acronym of
Zakhidnia Ukrainskaya Narodnaya Respublika) have extremly very short life
span. It has been established on November 1918 and fell just few months
later in July 1919 when Poland occupied most of its territory and tried to
get Entente recognition for its rule in Galicia.

Although the Supreme Council of the Paris Peace Conference representing the
Entente instructed Poland on 25 June to occupy Ukrainian Galicia
temporarily, it recognized Galicia's special status. On 20 November it
drafted a treaty with Poland on the autonomy of eastern Galicia under the
higher administration of Poland for 25 years, but the Poles rejected that
treaty. The Conference of Ambassadors of the great powers of the Entente
finally recognized (12 March 1923) the Polish occupation, albeit with the
provision that eastern Galicia was to remain autonomous.

References:

1. Lozyns’kyi, M., Halychyna na myrovii konferentsi? v Paryzhi (Kamianets
1919)
2. Lozyns’kyi, M., Halychyna v rr. 1918–1920 (Vienna 1922; repr, New York
1970)
3. Levyts’kyi, K. Velykyi zryv (Lviv 1931)]

Jews have been keeping neutrality in the Polish-Ukrainian dispute, but they
have been severly punished by Poles who have organized Lwow pogrom on
November 22, 1919 by accusing Jews of supporting the Ukrainian side.

(It should be mentioned that very same scenario has been repeated again in
the other part of Poland as Polish forces invaded Belorussia and Lithuania,
by pogroms in Pinsk and Vilna)


Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab