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Re: one more last thing about courtesy -- Spam Blocker #general

HJB <hjb@...>
 

Irene Newhouse wrote:

. *And* if you're asking for
information, turn off your spam blocker!!! I personally rather resent
having to fill out an electronic form so that someone who has asked me for
help can receive my reply. To such an extent that I won't do it any more.
And then there are people like me who have ISPs which block
certain email based on some list they subscribe to. I've had
periods of time when people emailing >from the UK have had
difficulty reaching me, although I believe that the email bounced
back to them so that it was clear it hadn't been received. I am
also aware that some email sent to me >from people in Canada and
the US hasn't reached me >from time to time and that sometimes it
doesn't bounce back.

So although I try my best to say thanks to the many who have
helped me one never really knows whether such thanks were
received. Please accept my apology if I've overlooked anyone.

Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Researching: HABER - Konyushki & Zurow, Galicia (now Zhuriv,
Ukraine), NYC;
STARK - Bobrka, Galicia (now Ukraine), NYC;
SADOVSKI/SADOWSKY - Belchatow & Lodz, Poland, NYC;
KANET/KANNETT/KANNATT - Czyzewo, Poland, NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: one more last thing about courtesy -- Spam Blocker #general

HJB <hjb@...>
 

Irene Newhouse wrote:

. *And* if you're asking for
information, turn off your spam blocker!!! I personally rather resent
having to fill out an electronic form so that someone who has asked me for
help can receive my reply. To such an extent that I won't do it any more.
And then there are people like me who have ISPs which block
certain email based on some list they subscribe to. I've had
periods of time when people emailing >from the UK have had
difficulty reaching me, although I believe that the email bounced
back to them so that it was clear it hadn't been received. I am
also aware that some email sent to me >from people in Canada and
the US hasn't reached me >from time to time and that sometimes it
doesn't bounce back.

So although I try my best to say thanks to the many who have
helped me one never really knows whether such thanks were
received. Please accept my apology if I've overlooked anyone.

Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Researching: HABER - Konyushki & Zurow, Galicia (now Zhuriv,
Ukraine), NYC;
STARK - Bobrka, Galicia (now Ukraine), NYC;
SADOVSKI/SADOWSKY - Belchatow & Lodz, Poland, NYC;
KANET/KANNETT/KANNATT - Czyzewo, Poland, NYC


Lodz in 1920's/ Soap Manufacturer/Possibly AJZENBERG/EIZENBERG/Koscielna Street #general

Debra Kay <debjkay@...>
 

Dear Friends:

I have been searching for some time for clues as to the identity and
location of my mother's sister or brother.

My grandmother, Roysa SOBAWINSKI, later SOBAVINSKY, had a child in Lodz in
approximately 1921 or 1922. We believe it was a boy, but this is not
certain. It was given up for adoption with the assistance of her
sister-in-law, Pessa STRAWCYNSKI SOBAWINSKI in approximately 1922 or 1923.

I am looking for someone with any information about families in the soap
manufacturing business or who may have information about same. Supposedly,
the adoption was handled with the help of a soap manufacturer or factory
owner who was located at 5 Koscielna in Lodz. The name may have been
AJZENBERG or EIZENBERG, but this may not be correct.

If anyone has any information, please contact me privately. The child would
now be about 83, may be male or female, and would likely have been adopted
by a family without other children. My grandmother's family is redheaded or
blonde, and blue eyed, though since the father is unknown, the child could
look differently.

Most likely, the child would not know that he or she was adopted, but would
be an only child.

I have found the following family names for families in the soap
manufacturing industry. If you have any information on these families in
Lodz in the 1920's, even if you know nothing about the child, it may also be
helpful, as perhaps someone in these families would have information:

AJZENBERG, EIZENBERG, WAGENBERG, BORYSZANSKI, LANDAU, CUKIERMAN, FERST,
FUKS, GOLDBLIT, GOLDHIRSZ, GRONOS, KANTOROWICZ, LAKRYC, RAJBENBACH,
LECZYCKI, LERER, RAJCHFELD, RUBINSZTAJN, RZEZNIK, SCHONHOLZ, TABACZNIK,
LEWKOWICZ, WAHENSBERG, WAJCHMAN, WAJS, WIDAWSKI, WYGODZKI, GRYNBERG,
GUTTEL.
This list is not exclusive, there may be other surnames.

Thank you so much for any help you can give me.

Debra Kay
Simi Valley, California
debjkay@msn.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lodz in 1920's/ Soap Manufacturer/Possibly AJZENBERG/EIZENBERG/Koscielna Street #general

Debra Kay <debjkay@...>
 

Dear Friends:

I have been searching for some time for clues as to the identity and
location of my mother's sister or brother.

My grandmother, Roysa SOBAWINSKI, later SOBAVINSKY, had a child in Lodz in
approximately 1921 or 1922. We believe it was a boy, but this is not
certain. It was given up for adoption with the assistance of her
sister-in-law, Pessa STRAWCYNSKI SOBAWINSKI in approximately 1922 or 1923.

I am looking for someone with any information about families in the soap
manufacturing business or who may have information about same. Supposedly,
the adoption was handled with the help of a soap manufacturer or factory
owner who was located at 5 Koscielna in Lodz. The name may have been
AJZENBERG or EIZENBERG, but this may not be correct.

If anyone has any information, please contact me privately. The child would
now be about 83, may be male or female, and would likely have been adopted
by a family without other children. My grandmother's family is redheaded or
blonde, and blue eyed, though since the father is unknown, the child could
look differently.

Most likely, the child would not know that he or she was adopted, but would
be an only child.

I have found the following family names for families in the soap
manufacturing industry. If you have any information on these families in
Lodz in the 1920's, even if you know nothing about the child, it may also be
helpful, as perhaps someone in these families would have information:

AJZENBERG, EIZENBERG, WAGENBERG, BORYSZANSKI, LANDAU, CUKIERMAN, FERST,
FUKS, GOLDBLIT, GOLDHIRSZ, GRONOS, KANTOROWICZ, LAKRYC, RAJBENBACH,
LECZYCKI, LERER, RAJCHFELD, RUBINSZTAJN, RZEZNIK, SCHONHOLZ, TABACZNIK,
LEWKOWICZ, WAHENSBERG, WAJCHMAN, WAJS, WIDAWSKI, WYGODZKI, GRYNBERG,
GUTTEL.
This list is not exclusive, there may be other surnames.

Thank you so much for any help you can give me.

Debra Kay
Simi Valley, California
debjkay@msn.com


Does Anyone Read Swedish? #general

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

I have received a short note which I believe is in Swedish, but could be
another Scandinavian tongue.

If anyone is able to help me decipher it, please contact me privately.

Thanks,
Eden Joachim
Pomona, New York
esjoachim@optonline.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Does Anyone Read Swedish? #general

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

I have received a short note which I believe is in Swedish, but could be
another Scandinavian tongue.

If anyone is able to help me decipher it, please contact me privately.

Thanks,
Eden Joachim
Pomona, New York
esjoachim@optonline.net


Soldier in 1870 Franco-Prussian War: GINSBERG #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Leo GINSBERG (abt. 1845 - 1895), son of my matrilineal gt gt grandfather
Nathan GINSBERG (1814-1890) and his first wife, the widow FELDMANN (born SINGER),
was born in Breslau or Beuthen. He fought in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870,
presumably on the Prussian side. Later he married Louise HOEXTER(1850-1906).

QUESTION: How can I go about finding out more about Leo's military career?

[A curious aside: while Leo GINSBERG was fighting
against France, another of my distant maternal
relatives Frederic REITLINGER, whose mother Sarah
(born WIMPFHEIMER) was born in Ichenhausen (Bavaria)
was involved in an escape >from the Siege of Paris in
order to try to broker a peace settlement.] Thanks!

Adam Yamey, London, UK<adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


German SIG #Germany Soldier in 1870 Franco-Prussian War: GINSBERG #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Leo GINSBERG (abt. 1845 - 1895), son of my matrilineal gt gt grandfather
Nathan GINSBERG (1814-1890) and his first wife, the widow FELDMANN (born SINGER),
was born in Breslau or Beuthen. He fought in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870,
presumably on the Prussian side. Later he married Louise HOEXTER(1850-1906).

QUESTION: How can I go about finding out more about Leo's military career?

[A curious aside: while Leo GINSBERG was fighting
against France, another of my distant maternal
relatives Frederic REITLINGER, whose mother Sarah
(born WIMPFHEIMER) was born in Ichenhausen (Bavaria)
was involved in an escape >from the Siege of Paris in
order to try to broker a peace settlement.] Thanks!

Adam Yamey, London, UK<adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


Czernowitz #romania

mccrim1 <mccrim1@...>
 

Welcome Dan, I am new too. Still trying to decide on a question. Have
you heard about the Czernowitz discussion group?
Here is the web site. They welcome people interested in the genealogy and
history of the region

http://members.shaw.ca/czernowitz/

Marilyn Crim
Oakland, CA

MODERATOR NOTE: There are a number of links to Czernovitz (Chernovtsy)
on JewishGen. For example, please see the Yiskor book at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Bukowinabook/buk2_028.html
In addition, there are over 500 members listed in the JewishGen Family Finder,
who are researching families >from there.


Romania SIG #Romania Czernowitz #romania

mccrim1 <mccrim1@...>
 

Welcome Dan, I am new too. Still trying to decide on a question. Have
you heard about the Czernowitz discussion group?
Here is the web site. They welcome people interested in the genealogy and
history of the region

http://members.shaw.ca/czernowitz/

Marilyn Crim
Oakland, CA

MODERATOR NOTE: There are a number of links to Czernovitz (Chernovtsy)
on JewishGen. For example, please see the Yiskor book at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Bukowinabook/buk2_028.html
In addition, there are over 500 members listed in the JewishGen Family Finder,
who are researching families >from there.


* Tombstone engraving mystery name #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

My gggf's grave, (died in 1888), has a very old and worn out tombstone. His father's
Hebrew name is likely:
jud (for sure) - he (or tav) - nun (or vav) - resh (or dalet)
Can you make out a name? Which?

I'm not publishing the photo on Viewmate because it is almost illegible. The letters
mentioned above were obtained through a kind gentleman who visited the cemetery.

Many thanks in advance, please reply in private
Regards
Tom

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen * Tombstone engraving mystery name #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

My gggf's grave, (died in 1888), has a very old and worn out tombstone. His father's
Hebrew name is likely:
jud (for sure) - he (or tav) - nun (or vav) - resh (or dalet)
Can you make out a name? Which?

I'm not publishing the photo on Viewmate because it is almost illegible. The letters
mentioned above were obtained through a kind gentleman who visited the cemetery.

Many thanks in advance, please reply in private
Regards
Tom

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Common courtesy #general

Ken or Ida Recu <susanr@...>
 

Yesterday I found a quarter in the street so now I can
add my two cents worth to this discussion.

The messages I have been reading seem to have
information on people's lack of manners that are drawn
only >from contacts within JewishGen. I can attest to
the fact that it applies to people in general. I
believe they assume they can take a shortcut and not
waste their valuable time thanking you for yours since
they assume they will not need your help again or ever
encounter your face in the future.

Imagine my surprise when someone on another forum said
they did not have any information on a particular line
of a family we share and asked for what I had. None of
my questions to him were answered and no
acknowledgment of receipt of my information. Now I
hear that he has published books on this family. Guess
he doesn't supply free information <g>

But I take satisfaction in a Mitzvah performed (and
thank all of you for helping me to learn more about
the traditions, etc. of the Jewish family into which I
married) and let's all keep spreading the joy of
genealogy. By helping others we can make the world
tree grow.

Ida Recu
Park Forest, IL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Common courtesy #general

Ken or Ida Recu <susanr@...>
 

Yesterday I found a quarter in the street so now I can
add my two cents worth to this discussion.

The messages I have been reading seem to have
information on people's lack of manners that are drawn
only >from contacts within JewishGen. I can attest to
the fact that it applies to people in general. I
believe they assume they can take a shortcut and not
waste their valuable time thanking you for yours since
they assume they will not need your help again or ever
encounter your face in the future.

Imagine my surprise when someone on another forum said
they did not have any information on a particular line
of a family we share and asked for what I had. None of
my questions to him were answered and no
acknowledgment of receipt of my information. Now I
hear that he has published books on this family. Guess
he doesn't supply free information <g>

But I take satisfaction in a Mitzvah performed (and
thank all of you for helping me to learn more about
the traditions, etc. of the Jewish family into which I
married) and let's all keep spreading the joy of
genealogy. By helping others we can make the world
tree grow.

Ida Recu
Park Forest, IL


Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 19 May 2005 15:41:36 UTC, superdayv@yahoo.com (Dave Schwartz)
opined:

Over the years, I have >from time to time answered
requests for information on this forum. In all but
one instance, I never heard back >from the party...not
even a simple thank you.

For example, recently there was a request for help in
finding a cemetery in a city where I was once a
resident. So I knew something about the cemetery in
question. The name had changed and was therefore
hidden >from the searcher. It took me a while, but I
finally found the cemetery and emailed the person with
instructions on how to find it...and heard nothing back.
This has not been a single incident but rather the
rule than the exception. I wonder how many others
have had this experience and like me have vowed never
to respond again?

Dave Schwartz
Wimberley, Texas
Vowing never to respond again seems a bit strong.

It's true that some people, I haven't kept track of how many, don't respond
and don't offer thanks. They have a problem.

One has to decide _why_ one helps. There are really only two main options:
a) to help for the sake of helping; b) to help for the sake of ego boost
derived >from the expressed gratitude (aka "a pat on the head").

Yes, anyone should express thanks for a favor done, as we have all learned
at out mother's knee. But that isn't why you try to help people here, is it?

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


Lack of common courtesy #general

Lorna Kay <lorna.kay@...>
 

Re lack of common courtesy - it is bad enough when information is passed on
and not acknowledged, but even worse when hard copy of sent (often abroad),
cost involved and no acknowledgement received. I have had recent
experiences where I have posted substantial information by regular mail to
the USA and New Zealand and have had to ask a few times whether the package
had been received - only to be told that the recipient had been "too busy"
to acknowledge. Despite the promise of recovering hefty postage charges,
this does not materialise.

Lorna Kay
Chairman - Manchester Branch
&
Regional Group Co-ordinator
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain

Researching
WEISBERG (Kamenets Podolsk, Ukraine)
SEABERG (Tukums, Latvia)
KUTCHINSKY (Piotrkow, Russia-Poland)
FROMBERG (Russia)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 19 May 2005 15:41:36 UTC, superdayv@yahoo.com (Dave Schwartz)
opined:

Over the years, I have >from time to time answered
requests for information on this forum. In all but
one instance, I never heard back >from the party...not
even a simple thank you.

For example, recently there was a request for help in
finding a cemetery in a city where I was once a
resident. So I knew something about the cemetery in
question. The name had changed and was therefore
hidden >from the searcher. It took me a while, but I
finally found the cemetery and emailed the person with
instructions on how to find it...and heard nothing back.
This has not been a single incident but rather the
rule than the exception. I wonder how many others
have had this experience and like me have vowed never
to respond again?

Dave Schwartz
Wimberley, Texas
Vowing never to respond again seems a bit strong.

It's true that some people, I haven't kept track of how many, don't respond
and don't offer thanks. They have a problem.

One has to decide _why_ one helps. There are really only two main options:
a) to help for the sake of helping; b) to help for the sake of ego boost
derived >from the expressed gratitude (aka "a pat on the head").

Yes, anyone should express thanks for a favor done, as we have all learned
at out mother's knee. But that isn't why you try to help people here, is it?

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lack of common courtesy #general

Lorna Kay <lorna.kay@...>
 

Re lack of common courtesy - it is bad enough when information is passed on
and not acknowledged, but even worse when hard copy of sent (often abroad),
cost involved and no acknowledgement received. I have had recent
experiences where I have posted substantial information by regular mail to
the USA and New Zealand and have had to ask a few times whether the package
had been received - only to be told that the recipient had been "too busy"
to acknowledge. Despite the promise of recovering hefty postage charges,
this does not materialise.

Lorna Kay
Chairman - Manchester Branch
&
Regional Group Co-ordinator
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain

Researching
WEISBERG (Kamenets Podolsk, Ukraine)
SEABERG (Tukums, Latvia)
KUTCHINSKY (Piotrkow, Russia-Poland)
FROMBERG (Russia)


Re: Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Hello, Genners,

I've always tried to assist privately and onlist to the general
discussion list as well as on Belarus SIG and Sefard Forum. I've
met great people along the way, developed very interesting
relationships over years, and have also been able to match-up
researchers of specific names and places with searchers who
didn't know more help existed.

One of the best things about JewishGen is that we are a truly
international community, with people located in so many unusual
places. Working together, sharing information and networking is
the name of the game, and the old adage, "What goes around comes
around," certainly holds here. In helping one individual with
information or direction, that same individual may provide us
with data at some point. We are all in this together.

I have had email and major computer problems in the past, so I
know first-hand that emails can get lost. Many of us also travel,
and when we get home, we have hundreds and hundreds of messages
to go through, whether we have a "travelling" email address or
not.
I've had a few cases of non-response, but so few that it is
difficult to remember exactly when or even the subject of the
emails. If at first you don't get an answer, a short "Did you
receive my email about xxxxxxxx?" That might be enough to prod
the receiver into replying.

And, of course, something could have happened at the other end
besides major computer blow-ups and disintegrating hard-drives,
perhaps a natural catastrophe of flood or fire, a personal injury
or a family problem, or worse.
And, if I have forgotten to answer anyone who has emailed me, I
hereby apologize. I don't think so, but with my computer problems
last year and this year, it could have happened.

With best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Lack of Common Courtesy and how it affects the Usefulness of this Forum #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Hello, Genners,

I've always tried to assist privately and onlist to the general
discussion list as well as on Belarus SIG and Sefard Forum. I've
met great people along the way, developed very interesting
relationships over years, and have also been able to match-up
researchers of specific names and places with searchers who
didn't know more help existed.

One of the best things about JewishGen is that we are a truly
international community, with people located in so many unusual
places. Working together, sharing information and networking is
the name of the game, and the old adage, "What goes around comes
around," certainly holds here. In helping one individual with
information or direction, that same individual may provide us
with data at some point. We are all in this together.

I have had email and major computer problems in the past, so I
know first-hand that emails can get lost. Many of us also travel,
and when we get home, we have hundreds and hundreds of messages
to go through, whether we have a "travelling" email address or
not.
I've had a few cases of non-response, but so few that it is
difficult to remember exactly when or even the subject of the
emails. If at first you don't get an answer, a short "Did you
receive my email about xxxxxxxx?" That might be enough to prod
the receiver into replying.

And, of course, something could have happened at the other end
besides major computer blow-ups and disintegrating hard-drives,
perhaps a natural catastrophe of flood or fire, a personal injury
or a family problem, or worse.
And, if I have forgotten to answer anyone who has emailed me, I
hereby apologize. I don't think so, but with my computer problems
last year and this year, it could have happened.

With best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net