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VB: Re: names #galicia

Jurek Hirschberg <jurek@...>
 

Alexander Sharon wrote: Polish legend has it that when various tribes
decided to unite, they asked a Jew, Abraham Prochownik, to be their
king. He declined in favor of a peasant named Piast, the founder of the
Piast dynasty.

The origin of this story (perhaps it is too recently invented to be
considered a legend) has been traced to a collection of national
romantic stories by a Polish author, published, if I recall correctly,
around 1840. It is, of course, a complete hoax - admittedly a charming
one.

Regards,

Jurek Hirschberg
jurek@hirschberg.se
Tarnopol: HIRSCHBERG, GOLIGER
Skalat: BERNSTEIN, ROSENZWEIG, PODHORCER, PERLMUTTER


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia VB: Re: names #galicia

Jurek Hirschberg <jurek@...>
 

Alexander Sharon wrote: Polish legend has it that when various tribes
decided to unite, they asked a Jew, Abraham Prochownik, to be their
king. He declined in favor of a peasant named Piast, the founder of the
Piast dynasty.

The origin of this story (perhaps it is too recently invented to be
considered a legend) has been traced to a collection of national
romantic stories by a Polish author, published, if I recall correctly,
around 1840. It is, of course, a complete hoax - admittedly a charming
one.

Regards,

Jurek Hirschberg
jurek@hirschberg.se
Tarnopol: HIRSCHBERG, GOLIGER
Skalat: BERNSTEIN, ROSENZWEIG, PODHORCER, PERLMUTTER


Better ancestry.com searches (no more 3-character requirement) using Steve Morse's One Step #galicia

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

GOOD NEWS!!! -- We can now search on [name of very popular commercial site deleted
--Mod.] without having to put
in three characters for the name. Up until now, if you entered a
partial first name or a partial last name, you had to enter at least
three characters. But Steve Morse has written some new code that gets
around this limitation by searching on all combinations of the letters
that we left out.

For example, suppose you want to search for all people with first
initial J and last name Smith. Steve's software will automatically
search for all Smiths with first names starting with Jaa, then Jab, then
Jac, etc. up to Jzz. It might take as much as 5 minutes to get all the
results, but it's automatic -- you submit one search and Steve does 676
searches for you. And if you search for all Smiths with first name
starting with Ja, Steve can do that faster (less than ten seconds)
because he only has to do 26 searches in that case.

To use this feature, go to Steve's website at http://stevemorse.org and
select any of his search forms that use [name once again deleted
--Mod.] (e.g., any of his
passenger search forms other than Ellis Island, and his census
search-by-name form for any census year). Then enter less than three
characters for either the first or last name, and Steve's new software
will kick in, doing repeated searches on your behalf.

If you have any problems with it or questions about it or even comments
about it, please write to Steve directly rather than asking me.
Steve's address is at the top of his website.

- Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Better ancestry.com searches (no more 3-character requirement) using Steve Morse's One Step #galicia

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

GOOD NEWS!!! -- We can now search on [name of very popular commercial site deleted
--Mod.] without having to put
in three characters for the name. Up until now, if you entered a
partial first name or a partial last name, you had to enter at least
three characters. But Steve Morse has written some new code that gets
around this limitation by searching on all combinations of the letters
that we left out.

For example, suppose you want to search for all people with first
initial J and last name Smith. Steve's software will automatically
search for all Smiths with first names starting with Jaa, then Jab, then
Jac, etc. up to Jzz. It might take as much as 5 minutes to get all the
results, but it's automatic -- you submit one search and Steve does 676
searches for you. And if you search for all Smiths with first name
starting with Ja, Steve can do that faster (less than ten seconds)
because he only has to do 26 searches in that case.

To use this feature, go to Steve's website at http://stevemorse.org and
select any of his search forms that use [name once again deleted
--Mod.] (e.g., any of his
passenger search forms other than Ellis Island, and his census
search-by-name form for any census year). Then enter less than three
characters for either the first or last name, and Steve's new software
will kick in, doing repeated searches on your behalf.

If you have any problems with it or questions about it or even comments
about it, please write to Steve directly rather than asking me.
Steve's address is at the top of his website.

- Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ


Fw: shomer schumer family name #galicia

אבי שומר <shomavi@...>
 

My original family name was Schummer and I changed it in the latin spelling
to Shomer while the hebrew spelling has not changed. While reseaching the
name I found a letter written by a non jew named John Shomer claiming that
both names come >from the same origin Schomer "meaning in Hebrew the keeper
of the faith" (which is close enough, the meaning being - Guardian), and
furthermore that half of the Shomers are jewish and the other half christian
because they converted in the 13th century in fear of the Inquisition,
A french Schummer claims that the name means in german - vagabond, but also
in eastern languages -Guard (www.chez.com/schummer)
The search in the various geneology sites reveals that the majority of
Schomers-Schummers are non jews coming >from south Germany.
Any further information would be gratefully welcome.

AVI SHOMER
shomai@netvision.net.il


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Fw: shomer schumer family name #galicia

אבי שומר <shomavi@...>
 

My original family name was Schummer and I changed it in the latin spelling
to Shomer while the hebrew spelling has not changed. While reseaching the
name I found a letter written by a non jew named John Shomer claiming that
both names come >from the same origin Schomer "meaning in Hebrew the keeper
of the faith" (which is close enough, the meaning being - Guardian), and
furthermore that half of the Shomers are jewish and the other half christian
because they converted in the 13th century in fear of the Inquisition,
A french Schummer claims that the name means in german - vagabond, but also
in eastern languages -Guard (www.chez.com/schummer)
The search in the various geneology sites reveals that the majority of
Schomers-Schummers are non jews coming >from south Germany.
Any further information would be gratefully welcome.

AVI SHOMER
shomai@netvision.net.il


Better ancestry.com searches (no more 3-character requirement) using Steve Morse's One Step #unitedkingdom

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

GOOD NEWS!!! -- We can now search on ancestry.com without having to put
in three characters for the name. Up until now, if you entered a
partial first name or a partial last name, you had to enter at least
three characters. But Steve Morse has written some new code that gets
around this limitation by searching on all combinations of the letters
that we left out.

For example, suppose you want to search for all people with first
initial J and last name Smith. Steve's software will automatically
search for all Smiths with first names starting with Jaa, then Jab, then

Jac, etc. up to Jzz. It might take as much as 5 minutes to get all the
results, but it's automatic -- you submit one search and Steve does 676
searches for you. And if you search for all Smiths with first name
starting with Ja, Steve can do that faster (less than ten seconds)
because he only has to do 26 searches in that case.

To use this feature, go to Steve's website at http://stevemorse.org and
select any of his search forms that use ancestry (e.g., any of his
passenger search forms other than Ellis Island, and his census
search-by-name form for any census year). Then enter less than three
characters for either the first or last name, and Steve's new software
will kick in, doing repeated searches on your behalf.

If you have any problems with it or questions about it or even comments
about it, please write to Steve directly rather than asking me.
Steve's address is at the top of his website.

- Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Better ancestry.com searches (no more 3-character requirement) using Steve Morse's One Step #unitedkingdom

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

GOOD NEWS!!! -- We can now search on ancestry.com without having to put
in three characters for the name. Up until now, if you entered a
partial first name or a partial last name, you had to enter at least
three characters. But Steve Morse has written some new code that gets
around this limitation by searching on all combinations of the letters
that we left out.

For example, suppose you want to search for all people with first
initial J and last name Smith. Steve's software will automatically
search for all Smiths with first names starting with Jaa, then Jab, then

Jac, etc. up to Jzz. It might take as much as 5 minutes to get all the
results, but it's automatic -- you submit one search and Steve does 676
searches for you. And if you search for all Smiths with first name
starting with Ja, Steve can do that faster (less than ten seconds)
because he only has to do 26 searches in that case.

To use this feature, go to Steve's website at http://stevemorse.org and
select any of his search forms that use ancestry (e.g., any of his
passenger search forms other than Ellis Island, and his census
search-by-name form for any census year). Then enter less than three
characters for either the first or last name, and Steve's new software
will kick in, doing repeated searches on your behalf.

If you have any problems with it or questions about it or even comments
about it, please write to Steve directly rather than asking me.
Steve's address is at the top of his website.

- Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ


Re: Katz and Sephardim #galicia

Margaret Thornhill <clarinetstudio@...>
 

A related example of Sephardic ancestry amongst the Ashkenazim that supports
the current discussion (apologies for its being outside the region.):

My husband's mother, born in a small town in Hessen-Nassau in Germany, was
part of a small Jewish community that believed their original founders to be
of Spanish descent though they had no traditions that would indicate this.
Her maternal line, Katz, who changed their name to Marx around 1800, were
among this group. Within a few years, all seven Jewish families in the town
(including at least three unrelated lines) had adopted the surname Marx. The
families knew they were unrelated to each other, but weren't sure how and
the Sephardic origins of the community and the Katz name became obscure.


Margaret Thornhill (Greif)
Los Angeles
researching: Greif, Rosenbaum ZABOLOTOV; Fraenkel, Greif, Katz KOLOMYJA,
Cernovsky, Wien; Tennenhaus, SUCEAVA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Katz and Sephardim #galicia

Margaret Thornhill <clarinetstudio@...>
 

A related example of Sephardic ancestry amongst the Ashkenazim that supports
the current discussion (apologies for its being outside the region.):

My husband's mother, born in a small town in Hessen-Nassau in Germany, was
part of a small Jewish community that believed their original founders to be
of Spanish descent though they had no traditions that would indicate this.
Her maternal line, Katz, who changed their name to Marx around 1800, were
among this group. Within a few years, all seven Jewish families in the town
(including at least three unrelated lines) had adopted the surname Marx. The
families knew they were unrelated to each other, but weren't sure how and
the Sephardic origins of the community and the Katz name became obscure.


Margaret Thornhill (Greif)
Los Angeles
researching: Greif, Rosenbaum ZABOLOTOV; Fraenkel, Greif, Katz KOLOMYJA,
Cernovsky, Wien; Tennenhaus, SUCEAVA


Diane Jacobs and Steve Morse's "One Steps"- Thank you #general

SelmaN@...
 

Even though Diane ends all of her updates on Steve Morse's site with . . .
If you have any problems with it or questions about it or even comments
about it, please write to Steve directly rather than asking me. Steve's address
is at the top of his website.<<
Even though I periodically look at Steve's webpage for the latest and
greatest additions, Diane's messages on JewishGen always steer us to what he has
recently done. Diane deserves a public thank you for the added bonus of her
announcements. *Thanks* Diane!!! And maybe even a contribution to JewishGen in
honor of Steve's work and Diane's announcements. Selma

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@aol.com
Researching: WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia); NEUBAUER, BERGER
(Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia); HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus); SINGER, NEWMAN
(possibly Kishinev); BRODSKY (possibly Tirashpol)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Diane Jacobs and Steve Morse's "One Steps"- Thank you #general

SelmaN@...
 

Even though Diane ends all of her updates on Steve Morse's site with . . .
If you have any problems with it or questions about it or even comments
about it, please write to Steve directly rather than asking me. Steve's address
is at the top of his website.<<
Even though I periodically look at Steve's webpage for the latest and
greatest additions, Diane's messages on JewishGen always steer us to what he has
recently done. Diane deserves a public thank you for the added bonus of her
announcements. *Thanks* Diane!!! And maybe even a contribution to JewishGen in
honor of Steve's work and Diane's announcements. Selma

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@aol.com
Researching: WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia); NEUBAUER, BERGER
(Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia); HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus); SINGER, NEWMAN
(possibly Kishinev); BRODSKY (possibly Tirashpol)


Re: Help To Interpret Names #galicia

Eleanor Platt QC <kbx62@...>
 

To me the names mean first the surname then the given name then the
patrimonic
Eleanor Lind
London

On 7/6/05 12:29 am, "Alan Weiser" <alanboy@starpower.net> wrote:
<snip>
do not understand what appears to be a Polish name mixed
in with other names. Middle names? Patrimony?

Golder, Hanna Abrahimowna
Goafner, Edmund Abrahimowicz
Grin, Shulima Haimowicz


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Help To Interpret Names #galicia

Eleanor Platt QC <kbx62@...>
 

To me the names mean first the surname then the given name then the
patrimonic
Eleanor Lind
London

On 7/6/05 12:29 am, "Alan Weiser" <alanboy@starpower.net> wrote:
<snip>
do not understand what appears to be a Polish name mixed
in with other names. Middle names? Patrimony?

Golder, Hanna Abrahimowna
Goafner, Edmund Abrahimowicz
Grin, Shulima Haimowicz


Fw: galicia digest: June 09, 2005 #galicia

Tzilla Kratter <kratter@...>
 

Dear All,

Alan Weiser asked about the following names found in records of Kolomea :

Golder, Hanna Abrahimowna
Goafner, Edmund Abrahimowicz
Grin, Shulima Haimowicz

Abrahimowna,Abrahimowicz and Haimowicz are patronyms (father's name) and
mean here daughter of Abraham, son of Abraham and son of Haim.

Szulima is simply Sholem/Shulem and the suffix "a" is a grammatical ending
which we don't need to go into, I think.

Tzilla Kratter, Jerusalem


Re: Pinkasim #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

I have not previously come across the term, Pinkasim. Using Miriam
Weiner's listing of records at the Ivano-Frankivsk archives pertaining
to Kolomea (Kolomyya), I have found a set of records labeled,
KAHAL/JEWISH COMMUNITY. The descriptions of the various cases within
these records sounds a lot like what is described in Pinkasim. I plan
to post descriptions of the various Kolomea civil records located at
the I-F archives in the near future. I would suggest that others
seeking such records search Miriam Weiner's web site for their
particular town.
Alan Weiser
alanboy@starpower.net
Silver Spring, MD

----- Original Message -----
From: "Suzan & Ron Wynne" <srwynne@erols.com>
To: "Gesher Galicia SIG" <galicia@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: [galicia] Pinkasim


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Las Vegas 2005
25th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 10-15, 2005
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A few years ago, Jeffrey Cymbler and I tried to track down what had
become
of Pinkasim that had been in the possession of the late author and
scholar,
Isaac Lewin. He wrote about having some of the Pinkasim for Rzeszow,
Przeworsk, Kanczuga and Lancut and summarized their contents in a
chapter of
his book, The Jewish Community in Poland. Jeff sent me the chapter
and I got
in touch with Mr. Lewin's son, an attorney in Washington, DC to see
if he
knew what had become of his father's library and, particularly,
these
extremely valuable books. The trail petered out and I didn't pursue
it for
some reason.

I just "refound" the chapter while cleaning out my files and have
again
contacted the son to see if he can point me in the right direction.
I
suspect that the books are in Israel, perhaps at Bar Ilan University
so if
anyone has contacts there, please explore this issue.

What are Pinkasim? They are community books that maintained all
sorts of
records connected to the kehillot's role, so they could include
taxpayers,
cemetery lot holders, minutes of meetings regarding any of the many
types of
Jewish institutions overseen by the kehillot. Some of the books held
by Mr.
Lewin discussed financial administration, tax laws, annual election
of
elders, contracts with tax collectors and others, agreements with
rabbis,
cantors and other Jewish functionaries about their salaries. There
were
also copies of rabbincial court verdicts, procedures for collecting
taxes,
correspondence, ownership of synagogue seats and lists that amounted
to
censuses of the Jews in the district that were used to calculate
taxes and
the amount due to the jurisdiction based on the population. Wow.

The books, according to Lewin, were often deliberately destroyed
because of
space considerations or they got wet, burned or otherwise damaged
beyond
repair. Lewin noted that very few of these books survived and so he
felt
very fortunate to have found the ones that came into his possession.
Although, strictly speaking, these books "only" concern the
particular
communities >from a genealogical point of view, it sounds as though
they
included much material of general Jewish historical significance.

As things evolve, I will keep you all informed.

Suzan Wynne
Kensington, MD


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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Fw: galicia digest: June 09, 2005 #galicia

Tzilla Kratter <kratter@...>
 

Dear All,

Alan Weiser asked about the following names found in records of Kolomea :

Golder, Hanna Abrahimowna
Goafner, Edmund Abrahimowicz
Grin, Shulima Haimowicz

Abrahimowna,Abrahimowicz and Haimowicz are patronyms (father's name) and
mean here daughter of Abraham, son of Abraham and son of Haim.

Szulima is simply Sholem/Shulem and the suffix "a" is a grammatical ending
which we don't need to go into, I think.

Tzilla Kratter, Jerusalem


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Pinkasim #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

I have not previously come across the term, Pinkasim. Using Miriam
Weiner's listing of records at the Ivano-Frankivsk archives pertaining
to Kolomea (Kolomyya), I have found a set of records labeled,
KAHAL/JEWISH COMMUNITY. The descriptions of the various cases within
these records sounds a lot like what is described in Pinkasim. I plan
to post descriptions of the various Kolomea civil records located at
the I-F archives in the near future. I would suggest that others
seeking such records search Miriam Weiner's web site for their
particular town.
Alan Weiser
alanboy@starpower.net
Silver Spring, MD

----- Original Message -----
From: "Suzan & Ron Wynne" <srwynne@erols.com>
To: "Gesher Galicia SIG" <galicia@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: [galicia] Pinkasim


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Las Vegas 2005
25th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 10-15, 2005
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A few years ago, Jeffrey Cymbler and I tried to track down what had
become
of Pinkasim that had been in the possession of the late author and
scholar,
Isaac Lewin. He wrote about having some of the Pinkasim for Rzeszow,
Przeworsk, Kanczuga and Lancut and summarized their contents in a
chapter of
his book, The Jewish Community in Poland. Jeff sent me the chapter
and I got
in touch with Mr. Lewin's son, an attorney in Washington, DC to see
if he
knew what had become of his father's library and, particularly,
these
extremely valuable books. The trail petered out and I didn't pursue
it for
some reason.

I just "refound" the chapter while cleaning out my files and have
again
contacted the son to see if he can point me in the right direction.
I
suspect that the books are in Israel, perhaps at Bar Ilan University
so if
anyone has contacts there, please explore this issue.

What are Pinkasim? They are community books that maintained all
sorts of
records connected to the kehillot's role, so they could include
taxpayers,
cemetery lot holders, minutes of meetings regarding any of the many
types of
Jewish institutions overseen by the kehillot. Some of the books held
by Mr.
Lewin discussed financial administration, tax laws, annual election
of
elders, contracts with tax collectors and others, agreements with
rabbis,
cantors and other Jewish functionaries about their salaries. There
were
also copies of rabbincial court verdicts, procedures for collecting
taxes,
correspondence, ownership of synagogue seats and lists that amounted
to
censuses of the Jews in the district that were used to calculate
taxes and
the amount due to the jurisdiction based on the population. Wow.

The books, according to Lewin, were often deliberately destroyed
because of
space considerations or they got wet, burned or otherwise damaged
beyond
repair. Lewin noted that very few of these books survived and so he
felt
very fortunate to have found the ones that came into his possession.
Although, strictly speaking, these books "only" concern the
particular
communities >from a genealogical point of view, it sounds as though
they
included much material of general Jewish historical significance.

As things evolve, I will keep you all informed.

Suzan Wynne
Kensington, MD


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Jewish Given Name Resource #ukraine

Steve Franklin <cryptozoomorphic@...>
 

OK, "Uncle!"... There is a very good online resource for given names at
Avotaynu: http://www.avotaynu.com/books/dagnlist.htm

The name mentioned shows up in the list as "Yoyne." Whether this is some version
of something else, I don't know. Funny how a simple list can be more helpful
sometimes than a fancy computerized this-or-that "seeker."

Steve Franklin
Baltimore
http://www.lordbalto.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: <m.solman@utoronto.ca>
| re GASNA
|
| I would guess the spelling of the first name JOJNA is some version of Yonah
| (Yoina -- Yiddish pronounciation) all for the name Jonah -- as we commonly
know
| it.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Jewish Given Name Resource #ukraine

Steve Franklin <cryptozoomorphic@...>
 

OK, "Uncle!"... There is a very good online resource for given names at
Avotaynu: http://www.avotaynu.com/books/dagnlist.htm

The name mentioned shows up in the list as "Yoyne." Whether this is some version
of something else, I don't know. Funny how a simple list can be more helpful
sometimes than a fancy computerized this-or-that "seeker."

Steve Franklin
Baltimore
http://www.lordbalto.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: <m.solman@utoronto.ca>
| re GASNA
|
| I would guess the spelling of the first name JOJNA is some version of Yonah
| (Yoina -- Yiddish pronounciation) all for the name Jonah -- as we commonly
know
| it.