Date   

Shoah- New Dutch Website #general

hennynow
 

Further to Bertha van Dam's and Irene's messages regarding the Dutch site, let me
point out that the web site is in Dutch, which may be a problem for many Genners.
As I know Dutch, I'd like to offer my services at no charge to anyone wishing to
research http://www.joodsmonument.nl.

What I like about the site, despite occasional errors, is that it gives residence
addresses. As for mistakes, the webmaster/mistress specifically acknowledges this
possibility and asks readers' help in supplying additional information. I found
it interesting that major funding for the site is supplied by reparations.

Cordially,
Henny

Henriette Moëd Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shoah- New Dutch Website #general

hennynow
 

Further to Bertha van Dam's and Irene's messages regarding the Dutch site, let me
point out that the web site is in Dutch, which may be a problem for many Genners.
As I know Dutch, I'd like to offer my services at no charge to anyone wishing to
research http://www.joodsmonument.nl.

What I like about the site, despite occasional errors, is that it gives residence
addresses. As for mistakes, the webmaster/mistress specifically acknowledges this
possibility and asks readers' help in supplying additional information. I found
it interesting that major funding for the site is supplied by reparations.

Cordially,
Henny

Henriette Moëd Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net


San Francisco Bay Area JGS meeting 5/15/05 #general

Jerry acobson <drjjsf@...>
 

San Francisco Meeting

Topic: Napa Valley Jewish History
Speakers: Zoe Kahn and Donna Mendelsohn
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2005
Time: Program begins at 2:00 PM
Where: Jewish Community High School
1835 Ellis Street
San Francisco, CA
Free parking: Enter on Pierce Street
Admission: Free

Did you know that there were early Jewish Settlers in the Napa Valley? The
co-chairs of the Jewish Historical Society of Napa Valley will give us insights
into their lives tell us how the Jewish community evolved.

Jerry Jacobson
reply to drjjsf@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen San Francisco Bay Area JGS meeting 5/15/05 #general

Jerry acobson <drjjsf@...>
 

San Francisco Meeting

Topic: Napa Valley Jewish History
Speakers: Zoe Kahn and Donna Mendelsohn
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2005
Time: Program begins at 2:00 PM
Where: Jewish Community High School
1835 Ellis Street
San Francisco, CA
Free parking: Enter on Pierce Street
Admission: Free

Did you know that there were early Jewish Settlers in the Napa Valley? The
co-chairs of the Jewish Historical Society of Napa Valley will give us insights
into their lives tell us how the Jewish community evolved.

Jerry Jacobson
reply to drjjsf@aol.com


May 16th - Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles Program #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles Announces:

Our next meeting will be on Monday May 16, at the Skirball Cultural Center, Los
Angeles, California

Pre-Meeting Lecture: 7:00 p.m.

"The Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names: How to Use Yad Vashem Online
Resources in Family Research"

Last November, an extraordinary database made its appearance online, containing
records of the millions of people who perished during WWII-as well as those who
survived. This tutorial will explain how to navigate the Yad Vashem database to
learn the fate of Eastern-European ancestors. Methods and strategies of analyzing
the information provided in the "Pages of Testimony" to locate previously unknown
or missing relatives will also be covered.

Speaker: Ann Harris, Board Member, JGSLA

Main Program - 7:30PM

"Genealogy by Genetics: Jewish History and DNA "

When there are no records and the paper trail dead ends, Family-Tree DNA -
America's first genealogy-driven DNA testing service - offers a revolutionary
strategy to establish familial connectivity. Created for serious amateurs and
professional genealogists who wish to extend their family trees, these tests can
confirm a link where no conventional records exist. Using a 12-marker test,
relationships can be determined over a period in excess of a few thousand years
and common ancestors determined. Bennett Greenspan, founder and CEO, will
elaborate on how testing works--options and costs--as well as how to initiate
surname-based family tree reconstruction projects and confirm Cohanim lineage.

Speaker: Bennett Greenspan, President and CEO, Family Tree-DNA

An entrepreneur and life-long genealogy enthusiast, Mr. Greenspan founded Family
Tree DNA in 2000, turning a hobby into a full-time vocation. His interest in
genealogy, and failure to solve a paper trail roadblock, were the motivating
forces in creating his company. Family Tree-DNA is now partnered with JewishGen in
the "Surname/DNA Project," enabling researchers to tap into the largest and most
comprehensive of DNA results to re-unite unconnected branches on their "same
surname" tree.

The Skirball Cultural Center is located at: 2701 North Sepulveda Blvd. Los
Angeles, CA - This program is open to the public and free of charge.

6:30PM - Traveling Library available
7:00PM - Pre-Meeting lecture
7:30PM - Main Meeting

For additional information, go to the JGSLA website: http://www.jgsla.org

Pamela Weisberger
1st V.P. Programs. JGSLA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen May 16th - Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles Program #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles Announces:

Our next meeting will be on Monday May 16, at the Skirball Cultural Center, Los
Angeles, California

Pre-Meeting Lecture: 7:00 p.m.

"The Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names: How to Use Yad Vashem Online
Resources in Family Research"

Last November, an extraordinary database made its appearance online, containing
records of the millions of people who perished during WWII-as well as those who
survived. This tutorial will explain how to navigate the Yad Vashem database to
learn the fate of Eastern-European ancestors. Methods and strategies of analyzing
the information provided in the "Pages of Testimony" to locate previously unknown
or missing relatives will also be covered.

Speaker: Ann Harris, Board Member, JGSLA

Main Program - 7:30PM

"Genealogy by Genetics: Jewish History and DNA "

When there are no records and the paper trail dead ends, Family-Tree DNA -
America's first genealogy-driven DNA testing service - offers a revolutionary
strategy to establish familial connectivity. Created for serious amateurs and
professional genealogists who wish to extend their family trees, these tests can
confirm a link where no conventional records exist. Using a 12-marker test,
relationships can be determined over a period in excess of a few thousand years
and common ancestors determined. Bennett Greenspan, founder and CEO, will
elaborate on how testing works--options and costs--as well as how to initiate
surname-based family tree reconstruction projects and confirm Cohanim lineage.

Speaker: Bennett Greenspan, President and CEO, Family Tree-DNA

An entrepreneur and life-long genealogy enthusiast, Mr. Greenspan founded Family
Tree DNA in 2000, turning a hobby into a full-time vocation. His interest in
genealogy, and failure to solve a paper trail roadblock, were the motivating
forces in creating his company. Family Tree-DNA is now partnered with JewishGen in
the "Surname/DNA Project," enabling researchers to tap into the largest and most
comprehensive of DNA results to re-unite unconnected branches on their "same
surname" tree.

The Skirball Cultural Center is located at: 2701 North Sepulveda Blvd. Los
Angeles, CA - This program is open to the public and free of charge.

6:30PM - Traveling Library available
7:00PM - Pre-Meeting lecture
7:30PM - Main Meeting

For additional information, go to the JGSLA website: http://www.jgsla.org

Pamela Weisberger
1st V.P. Programs. JGSLA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Family names #belarus

dotvic <dotvic@...>
 

It's not bad enough to have several different spellings of a name. I also
have different names.

My HIRSOHN/HUSHIN/HURSHIM/CHUSIN/HURSHIN family was originally
MAISEL/MEISEL. They came >from Drissa/Wilifilza (which cannot be found) in
Belarus to Riga, Latvia. The name was changed so that the H's could run a
tavern. The story goes they bought a gentile's name, MAISEL/MEISAL, so the
govt. would give them a license.

Can anyone help me to go forward with TOO much information? I can't find
any of the names at Ellis Island. My researcher in Latvia found information
under the name of HUSIN.

Dorothy AUERBAACH Rivers
Tucson, Arizona

AVRBUCH - Polotsk; Polock, Belarus; LOJACK - Riga, Latvia;, BERGSTEIN -
Ulanow, Poland; MOHRER/MAURER - Mielic, Poland; FASS - Tyczyn, Rzessow,
Poland; KATZ - Tyczyn, Poland; FELDMAN - Rzessow, Poland


Belarus SIG #Belarus Family names #belarus

dotvic <dotvic@...>
 

It's not bad enough to have several different spellings of a name. I also
have different names.

My HIRSOHN/HUSHIN/HURSHIM/CHUSIN/HURSHIN family was originally
MAISEL/MEISEL. They came >from Drissa/Wilifilza (which cannot be found) in
Belarus to Riga, Latvia. The name was changed so that the H's could run a
tavern. The story goes they bought a gentile's name, MAISEL/MEISAL, so the
govt. would give them a license.

Can anyone help me to go forward with TOO much information? I can't find
any of the names at Ellis Island. My researcher in Latvia found information
under the name of HUSIN.

Dorothy AUERBAACH Rivers
Tucson, Arizona

AVRBUCH - Polotsk; Polock, Belarus; LOJACK - Riga, Latvia;, BERGSTEIN -
Ulanow, Poland; MOHRER/MAURER - Mielic, Poland; FASS - Tyczyn, Rzessow,
Poland; KATZ - Tyczyn, Poland; FELDMAN - Rzessow, Poland


Re: Sephardim in Belarus #belarus

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

There are several points to discuss in Jacqueline's message.

First, if any genealogist/scientist announces a project to
develop a time-travel machine, everyone will contribute. Five
minutes back in time could answer a lot of questions, no matter
the cost! Without such a machine, we depend on tradition, history
and research.

1. Even those Jewish families of Sephardic origin in Belarus
spoke Yiddish. As the generations progressed, all that remained
was a tradition of origin. As only one example, although I have
discovered a small group of Sephardic origin names in the Mogilev
area, this was just a drop in the bucket of the large pre-war
Jewish population in that city and environs. They lived within
the general Jewish population and spoke the same languages, while
communicating through the generations limited information on
their origin. In reality, they were Yiddish-speaking Ashkenazim
with a tradition of Sephardic origin, who had intermarried with
the general Ashkenazi population.

2. Historical events impacted Jews. I too have photographs of
relatives (direct descendants and those married in) who look
decidely Central Asian. As just one historical possibility,
remember the Mongols invaded large areas where Jews lived,
pillaging and transferring DNA. Unfortunately, looking ethnic or
exotic may not mean much. Without a name or family history, a
tradition, something to hook your research onto, you'll have a
problem.
My mother, with olive skin and dark hair, was always mistaken for
Greek or Spanish. When my father (family >from Riga, Latvia) took
her home to meet his family, his parents were angry and wanted to
know why he had brought home a non-Jewish girl. At that time,
although everyone had heard that "Talalay was our name when we
left Spain," no one believed it. They laughed about it, but still
passed it on through the generations. When my sister was very
young and wore her hair in braids, people would stop my mother
and ask where the little Indian girl came >from (long before the
more politically-correct tern Native American).

3. People changed their family names for many reasons, including
"fitting in" with those among whom they lived. Spanish Jews in
Italy changed names to Italian formats, translated Spanish and
Hebrew names into German, and in the Russian Empire took Russian
name endings or translated names again. These are just SOME
possibilities, sometimes they kept the original names. Entire
books have been written on this subject.

4. A well-known Minsk archive researcher told me several years
ago that he had seen records there of 17th century Persian Jews.
Maybe they stayed, maybe they returned home. The records didn't
say, the possibilities remain.

So, where is that time machine when we really need it?

Best wishes
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net

Subject: Sephardim in Belarus
From: "Jacqueline" <cochavim@bezeqint.net>
She looks as if she came >from Uzbekistan. I agree, although she
spoke Yiddish, and
when I knew her I always thought she looked like Ashkenazi. I
believe that Sephardi
Jews, when they settled in Europe took Ashkenazi surnames. When
did this happen and is it possible to trace the family that far
back? I know very few details about her parents.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Sephardim in Belarus #belarus

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

There are several points to discuss in Jacqueline's message.

First, if any genealogist/scientist announces a project to
develop a time-travel machine, everyone will contribute. Five
minutes back in time could answer a lot of questions, no matter
the cost! Without such a machine, we depend on tradition, history
and research.

1. Even those Jewish families of Sephardic origin in Belarus
spoke Yiddish. As the generations progressed, all that remained
was a tradition of origin. As only one example, although I have
discovered a small group of Sephardic origin names in the Mogilev
area, this was just a drop in the bucket of the large pre-war
Jewish population in that city and environs. They lived within
the general Jewish population and spoke the same languages, while
communicating through the generations limited information on
their origin. In reality, they were Yiddish-speaking Ashkenazim
with a tradition of Sephardic origin, who had intermarried with
the general Ashkenazi population.

2. Historical events impacted Jews. I too have photographs of
relatives (direct descendants and those married in) who look
decidely Central Asian. As just one historical possibility,
remember the Mongols invaded large areas where Jews lived,
pillaging and transferring DNA. Unfortunately, looking ethnic or
exotic may not mean much. Without a name or family history, a
tradition, something to hook your research onto, you'll have a
problem.
My mother, with olive skin and dark hair, was always mistaken for
Greek or Spanish. When my father (family >from Riga, Latvia) took
her home to meet his family, his parents were angry and wanted to
know why he had brought home a non-Jewish girl. At that time,
although everyone had heard that "Talalay was our name when we
left Spain," no one believed it. They laughed about it, but still
passed it on through the generations. When my sister was very
young and wore her hair in braids, people would stop my mother
and ask where the little Indian girl came >from (long before the
more politically-correct tern Native American).

3. People changed their family names for many reasons, including
"fitting in" with those among whom they lived. Spanish Jews in
Italy changed names to Italian formats, translated Spanish and
Hebrew names into German, and in the Russian Empire took Russian
name endings or translated names again. These are just SOME
possibilities, sometimes they kept the original names. Entire
books have been written on this subject.

4. A well-known Minsk archive researcher told me several years
ago that he had seen records there of 17th century Persian Jews.
Maybe they stayed, maybe they returned home. The records didn't
say, the possibilities remain.

So, where is that time machine when we really need it?

Best wishes
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net

Subject: Sephardim in Belarus
From: "Jacqueline" <cochavim@bezeqint.net>
She looks as if she came >from Uzbekistan. I agree, although she
spoke Yiddish, and
when I knew her I always thought she looked like Ashkenazi. I
believe that Sephardi
Jews, when they settled in Europe took Ashkenazi surnames. When
did this happen and is it possible to trace the family that far
back? I know very few details about her parents.


BACHRACH and SCHNURMACHER from Vienna #austria-czech

Paul Posthumus <paul_posthumus@...>
 

Dear group,

I'm new to this group and i hope you can help me.

The ggf of my wife is Zsigmond SANDOR, born in Vienna 1872, son of Maria
BACHRACH and Unknown SCHNURMACHER.

Unknown Schnurmacher changed the familyname to Sandor, so Zsigmond Sandor
was probably born as Sigmund Schnurmacher.

Zsigmond married Hermine EPPINGER, probably in Budapest. In Budapest they
had a son Istvan in 1903. They moved to Zalaegerszeg and had 3 more
children: Ervin (19??), Julianna (Jutzi) (1910) and Karolina (Lenka) (1911).
Zsigmond, Hermine, Istvan and Julianna died in the Shoah.

I would like to know if somebody knows anything about the BACHRACH and
SCHNURMACHER/SANDOR families. Siblings of Zsigmond? Dates of birth and dead
of Maria and Unknown? The names of their parents? The name of Unknown? Etc.

Regards,
Paul Posthumus and Judith Federer

Researching: FEDERER (Janoshaza), GESTETNER (Csorna), EISENSTADT
(Burgenland), SANDOR/SCHNURMACHER (Budapest/Vienna/Zalaegerszeg), BACHRACH
(Vienna), EPPINGER (Budapest), KALMAN (Budapest)


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech BACHRACH and SCHNURMACHER from Vienna #austria-czech

Paul Posthumus <paul_posthumus@...>
 

Dear group,

I'm new to this group and i hope you can help me.

The ggf of my wife is Zsigmond SANDOR, born in Vienna 1872, son of Maria
BACHRACH and Unknown SCHNURMACHER.

Unknown Schnurmacher changed the familyname to Sandor, so Zsigmond Sandor
was probably born as Sigmund Schnurmacher.

Zsigmond married Hermine EPPINGER, probably in Budapest. In Budapest they
had a son Istvan in 1903. They moved to Zalaegerszeg and had 3 more
children: Ervin (19??), Julianna (Jutzi) (1910) and Karolina (Lenka) (1911).
Zsigmond, Hermine, Istvan and Julianna died in the Shoah.

I would like to know if somebody knows anything about the BACHRACH and
SCHNURMACHER/SANDOR families. Siblings of Zsigmond? Dates of birth and dead
of Maria and Unknown? The names of their parents? The name of Unknown? Etc.

Regards,
Paul Posthumus and Judith Federer

Researching: FEDERER (Janoshaza), GESTETNER (Csorna), EISENSTADT
(Burgenland), SANDOR/SCHNURMACHER (Budapest/Vienna/Zalaegerszeg), BACHRACH
(Vienna), EPPINGER (Budapest), KALMAN (Budapest)


JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island invites you to attend our Sunday, May
22 meeting.

Time: 2:00 PM promptly
Special Place: Temple Beth Sholom 401 Roslyn Road Roslyn Heights, New York

Our guest speaker is Joyce Field, Jewishgen's Vice President for Resarch and
Manager of the Jewishgen Yizkor Book Project. Joyce will about the role of yizkor
books for Jews seeking to learn more about the history and culture of their
ancestral shtetls. She will also discuss the Jewishgen Online Worldwide Burial
Registry.

Our meeting will be held at Temple Beth Sholom as part of its celebration of 350
years of American Judaism. The day (10 a.m - 6 p.m) will also feature:

historical re-enactments and multi-media exhibits
a JGSLI display on Jewish genealogy
a Lower East Side Judaica Market
documentaries and full-length movies

For more information please contact rhoda, rmiller871@aol.com . You may also
contact Temple Shalom 516-621-2288.

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island invites you to attend our Sunday, May
22 meeting.

Time: 2:00 PM promptly
Special Place: Temple Beth Sholom 401 Roslyn Road Roslyn Heights, New York

Our guest speaker is Joyce Field, Jewishgen's Vice President for Resarch and
Manager of the Jewishgen Yizkor Book Project. Joyce will about the role of yizkor
books for Jews seeking to learn more about the history and culture of their
ancestral shtetls. She will also discuss the Jewishgen Online Worldwide Burial
Registry.

Our meeting will be held at Temple Beth Sholom as part of its celebration of 350
years of American Judaism. The day (10 a.m - 6 p.m) will also feature:

historical re-enactments and multi-media exhibits
a JGSLI display on Jewish genealogy
a Lower East Side Judaica Market
documentaries and full-length movies

For more information please contact rhoda, rmiller871@aol.com . You may also
contact Temple Shalom 516-621-2288.

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President


Seek Jewish roots via ASKIN ancestor #usa

Terri Burns <mooneymouse58@...>
 

When I was researching a genealogy badge for Girl Scouting as a child, my
Great Grandmother Bertha Hitt Miller advised me back in the late 60's that
her mother was ethnically Jewish. She did not know when the Jewish faith
and ethnicity parted ways. Bertha's faith was Protestant Christian; about
half of her children married Catholics and converted to Catholicism.
Bertha's father's line, the HITTS of the then Dutch occupied area known then
as Nassau-Siegen (now NW Germany) who emigrated to Virginia in the early
18th century are a Jewish line. It has been well researched. The Jett line
is most definitely English but does not appear to have been ethnically Jewish.

Further detailed research many years later has revealed that we are
descended >from one John ASKIN who arrived in Maryland, probably >from England
in 1658. A trial of his future mother-in-law, Mary Lawne Courtney Clocker,
in St. Mary's County, MD in late 1658 mentions that her petty thefts from
her bond holder the Brents, and their landholder neighbors (for which she
was later sentenced to hang) began after "the arryval of the Jew." (Source:
Maryland State Archives). Since he was never properly named in that
document, I have had a great deal of trouble convincing the other (few)
ASKIN researchers that John ASKIN is that man. Anyway, his bond of
indenturement was purchased by Mary Lawne Courtney Clocker's son >from her
first marriage, Tom Courtney. Later, John ASKIN married her daughter, and
Tom Courtney's younger half-sister Rebecca Clocker. I am descended from
this couple.

I have run into much ignorance regarding my search for what I believe are my
and my families' Jewish Roots. One positive albeit coarse recognition that
ASKIN was indeed a Jewish surname came >from my Great Grandmother's two
surviving children. One came >from my great aunt, aged 85, who married a
first generation Irishman in Kentucky. When his Irish parents were told that
Aunt Mary's maternal Grandmother's maiden name was Martha Ellen ASKIN, both
immediately identified it as a Jewish surname in the British Isles/Ireland.
Aunt Mary's younger brother also recalled this family conversation; he was
the one that first brought it to my attention.

I am very interested in knowing where this surname and/or family might have
originated. I am amazed at the ignorance of gentiles who fail to perceive
that the Jewish people have peopled much of the planet for several thousand
years, the only possible but probably not complete exception being the
Americas and Australia until the 17th century.

I have purchased the Holocaust Chronicle so that my children and children's
children will know of the horror of the Sho'ah. I keep them advised that
genocide continues around the world and that it must not be tolerated. Thank you.

Terri Burns <mooneymouse58@hotmail.com>


Early American SIG #USA Seek Jewish roots via ASKIN ancestor #usa

Terri Burns <mooneymouse58@...>
 

When I was researching a genealogy badge for Girl Scouting as a child, my
Great Grandmother Bertha Hitt Miller advised me back in the late 60's that
her mother was ethnically Jewish. She did not know when the Jewish faith
and ethnicity parted ways. Bertha's faith was Protestant Christian; about
half of her children married Catholics and converted to Catholicism.
Bertha's father's line, the HITTS of the then Dutch occupied area known then
as Nassau-Siegen (now NW Germany) who emigrated to Virginia in the early
18th century are a Jewish line. It has been well researched. The Jett line
is most definitely English but does not appear to have been ethnically Jewish.

Further detailed research many years later has revealed that we are
descended >from one John ASKIN who arrived in Maryland, probably >from England
in 1658. A trial of his future mother-in-law, Mary Lawne Courtney Clocker,
in St. Mary's County, MD in late 1658 mentions that her petty thefts from
her bond holder the Brents, and their landholder neighbors (for which she
was later sentenced to hang) began after "the arryval of the Jew." (Source:
Maryland State Archives). Since he was never properly named in that
document, I have had a great deal of trouble convincing the other (few)
ASKIN researchers that John ASKIN is that man. Anyway, his bond of
indenturement was purchased by Mary Lawne Courtney Clocker's son >from her
first marriage, Tom Courtney. Later, John ASKIN married her daughter, and
Tom Courtney's younger half-sister Rebecca Clocker. I am descended from
this couple.

I have run into much ignorance regarding my search for what I believe are my
and my families' Jewish Roots. One positive albeit coarse recognition that
ASKIN was indeed a Jewish surname came >from my Great Grandmother's two
surviving children. One came >from my great aunt, aged 85, who married a
first generation Irishman in Kentucky. When his Irish parents were told that
Aunt Mary's maternal Grandmother's maiden name was Martha Ellen ASKIN, both
immediately identified it as a Jewish surname in the British Isles/Ireland.
Aunt Mary's younger brother also recalled this family conversation; he was
the one that first brought it to my attention.

I am very interested in knowing where this surname and/or family might have
originated. I am amazed at the ignorance of gentiles who fail to perceive
that the Jewish people have peopled much of the planet for several thousand
years, the only possible but probably not complete exception being the
Americas and Australia until the 17th century.

I have purchased the Holocaust Chronicle so that my children and children's
children will know of the horror of the Sho'ah. I keep them advised that
genocide continues around the world and that it must not be tolerated. Thank you.

Terri Burns <mooneymouse58@hotmail.com>


Re: Micheal SANDMAN, Long Island, NY, NY Asylum and possible Probate Court Records. #usa

Margaret <meggo@...>
 

Dear Bonnie Birns,
This would be a hard issue to do research in person. It would depend on
the co-operation of the person you would talk at the window and what
day. I would try a number of times to talk to different people in the
TOWN HALL nearest to where he resided initially and nearest the State Hospital.

It sounds like he died intestate or without a will so his first wife is
challenging 'promises' that where made to the second wife in what is
called a Probate Court Case. Most likely they would have a record of
Probate Court Cases listed in a Card Catalog and perhaps stored on
microfilm. Perhaps it would be stored under the surname of Sandman vs.
Sandman or something like that in the year 1890.

Most likely the records are no longer stored at the town hall but a
knowledgeable person could direct you to a Building that would store
such records. Eventually if a record of the court case exists someone
who knows where it would be stored will guide you in the right
direction. Don't give up. Old records take time to be found and
sometimes it is just luck to find the right person who would have
knowledge about old records. I think it is better if the search is done
in person rather than by phone. I hope this helps. Sincerely,

Margaret King Waltham, MA

Researching: CHAPLIN, CAREY, CARY, KEITH, STRINGER, HAYWARD England, USA

Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:38:02 -0700 (PDT)
Michael SANDMAN, born in Prussia around 1820, came to
the United States about 1850. He had a clothing store
in Glen Cove, Long Island, NY. (Town of Oyster Bay,
first in Queens County, then in Nassau County)

Abstracted >from the Brooklyn Daily Eagle:
10/14/1890 p.1 M. Sandman, having been pronounced
insane, will be taken to the state hospital at
Middletown.

12/21/1890 p.14 Michael Sandman, Glen Cove, died in
the asylum at Middleton, October last leaving estate
valued at $10,000. First wife had 3 children Morris,
Henry, Nancy Sandman. Second wife had 5 children, all
living. Left all real estate to widow, children from
first marriage contesting.

My questions are:
1) Where would Michael SANDMAN likely be buried?
Would he be left at the asylum in Middletown, or would
a wealthy man be brought home to be buried on Long Island?

2) Should there be court documents regarding the
contested will somewhere on Long Island? What would
be the most likely location to find them?

Thank you for your help. Bonnie Birns Jericho, Long Island, NY


Early American SIG #USA Re: Micheal SANDMAN, Long Island, NY, NY Asylum and possible Probate Court Records. #usa

Margaret <meggo@...>
 

Dear Bonnie Birns,
This would be a hard issue to do research in person. It would depend on
the co-operation of the person you would talk at the window and what
day. I would try a number of times to talk to different people in the
TOWN HALL nearest to where he resided initially and nearest the State Hospital.

It sounds like he died intestate or without a will so his first wife is
challenging 'promises' that where made to the second wife in what is
called a Probate Court Case. Most likely they would have a record of
Probate Court Cases listed in a Card Catalog and perhaps stored on
microfilm. Perhaps it would be stored under the surname of Sandman vs.
Sandman or something like that in the year 1890.

Most likely the records are no longer stored at the town hall but a
knowledgeable person could direct you to a Building that would store
such records. Eventually if a record of the court case exists someone
who knows where it would be stored will guide you in the right
direction. Don't give up. Old records take time to be found and
sometimes it is just luck to find the right person who would have
knowledge about old records. I think it is better if the search is done
in person rather than by phone. I hope this helps. Sincerely,

Margaret King Waltham, MA

Researching: CHAPLIN, CAREY, CARY, KEITH, STRINGER, HAYWARD England, USA

Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:38:02 -0700 (PDT)
Michael SANDMAN, born in Prussia around 1820, came to
the United States about 1850. He had a clothing store
in Glen Cove, Long Island, NY. (Town of Oyster Bay,
first in Queens County, then in Nassau County)

Abstracted >from the Brooklyn Daily Eagle:
10/14/1890 p.1 M. Sandman, having been pronounced
insane, will be taken to the state hospital at
Middletown.

12/21/1890 p.14 Michael Sandman, Glen Cove, died in
the asylum at Middleton, October last leaving estate
valued at $10,000. First wife had 3 children Morris,
Henry, Nancy Sandman. Second wife had 5 children, all
living. Left all real estate to widow, children from
first marriage contesting.

My questions are:
1) Where would Michael SANDMAN likely be buried?
Would he be left at the asylum in Middletown, or would
a wealthy man be brought home to be buried on Long Island?

2) Should there be court documents regarding the
contested will somewhere on Long Island? What would
be the most likely location to find them?

Thank you for your help. Bonnie Birns Jericho, Long Island, NY


Re: Kurland jews #latvia

Gal <iygal@...>
 

Krustpils was joined to Jekabpils, which is in Kurzeme

Yitzhak Gal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martha Lev-Zion" <martha@bgu.ac.il>
> Bert, I think you'll find that Krustapils was in Latgale and not in
> Courland.


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Kurland jews #latvia

Gal <iygal@...>
 

Krustpils was joined to Jekabpils, which is in Kurzeme

Yitzhak Gal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martha Lev-Zion" <martha@bgu.ac.il>
> Bert, I think you'll find that Krustapils was in Latgale and not in
> Courland.