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Proposal for GerSIG Project to collect name adoption lists for our website #germany

Arthur Obermayer <obermayer@...>
 

GerSIG is considering undertaking a major project to assemble and put
on-line name adoption lists >from throughout Germany.

Between 1800 and 1830, all communities in Germany required Jews to convert
from patronymic names (your father's first name as your given name)
to surnames (consistent last names/family names which would be inherited).

Officials in the various communities recorded the surnames selected by
resident families. Lists were compiled showing the various surnames
together with the traditional patronymic names of the family members.

These name adoption lists were generally published so that everyone
would be able to identify the surname that a family adopted. Only a
minority of Jews had inherited surnames before that time.
Currently used surnames usually were chosen during that period.

Only in a few regions of Germany are compilations of name adoption lists easily
available. However, many German Jewish genealogists have discovered specific
name adoption lists >from ancestors' communities.

For example, the largest assemblies seem to be at the Leo Baeck Institute in
New York, (LBI) which has the Berthold Rosenthal Collection of many thousands
of handwritten names >from Baden, as well as a 180-page book by Edward Luft
focused on Posen.

Arthur Obermayer Newton, MA <obermayer@...>


German SIG #Germany Proposal for GerSIG Project to collect name adoption lists for our website #germany

Arthur Obermayer <obermayer@...>
 

GerSIG is considering undertaking a major project to assemble and put
on-line name adoption lists >from throughout Germany.

Between 1800 and 1830, all communities in Germany required Jews to convert
from patronymic names (your father's first name as your given name)
to surnames (consistent last names/family names which would be inherited).

Officials in the various communities recorded the surnames selected by
resident families. Lists were compiled showing the various surnames
together with the traditional patronymic names of the family members.

These name adoption lists were generally published so that everyone
would be able to identify the surname that a family adopted. Only a
minority of Jews had inherited surnames before that time.
Currently used surnames usually were chosen during that period.

Only in a few regions of Germany are compilations of name adoption lists easily
available. However, many German Jewish genealogists have discovered specific
name adoption lists >from ancestors' communities.

For example, the largest assemblies seem to be at the Leo Baeck Institute in
New York, (LBI) which has the Berthold Rosenthal Collection of many thousands
of handwritten names >from Baden, as well as a 180-page book by Edward Luft
focused on Posen.

Arthur Obermayer Newton, MA <obermayer@...>


Re: Records Latvian Archives. #latvia

Edna Bonkes <e-jbonkes@...>
 

I did receive records >from the Latvian archives on my GURVITCH family
from Dvinsk. Maybe I was lucky I received them in three months.
No luck though with any records regarding my MOSESSTAM family or >from
the Lithuanian archives.

I am at a loss as to where to look next to find them. Any ideas?

Edna Bonkes.
B.C.Canada.


Researching:
GURVITCH/GUREVICH/ Dvinsk. Latvia.
MOSESSTAM/ Kurland, Latvia.
BLOCH/ BLOCK. England. Russia. etc.
HANDLER. Latvia.


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re:Records Latvian Archives. #latvia

Edna Bonkes <e-jbonkes@...>
 

I did receive records >from the Latvian archives on my GURVITCH family
from Dvinsk. Maybe I was lucky I received them in three months.
No luck though with any records regarding my MOSESSTAM family or >from
the Lithuanian archives.

I am at a loss as to where to look next to find them. Any ideas?

Edna Bonkes.
B.C.Canada.


Researching:
GURVITCH/GUREVICH/ Dvinsk. Latvia.
MOSESSTAM/ Kurland, Latvia.
BLOCH/ BLOCK. England. Russia. etc.
HANDLER. Latvia.


Hart Family #unitedkingdom

Hazel Smith <hazel@...>
 

I am trying to find any details of my Great Great Grandfather, John Henry
Hart, who was born in Shoreditch or Hoxton in 1932. I believe his family
were of the Jewish faith although I am not Jewish myself.

from my Great Grandfather's birth certificate, Alexander La Tour Hart, John
Henry Hart was a Commercial Clerk married to Sarah Bews formerly Grier and
lived in
Bermondsey, Surrey.

from the 1861 Census I have found a John Hart age 29 married to Sarah,
Profession Baker, living at 165, Hoxton Town but am not sure if this is the
right person.

If anyone could anyone help me with the Hart Family, I would be most
grateful.

Regards
Hazel Smith


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Hart Family #unitedkingdom

Hazel Smith <hazel@...>
 

I am trying to find any details of my Great Great Grandfather, John Henry
Hart, who was born in Shoreditch or Hoxton in 1932. I believe his family
were of the Jewish faith although I am not Jewish myself.

from my Great Grandfather's birth certificate, Alexander La Tour Hart, John
Henry Hart was a Commercial Clerk married to Sarah Bews formerly Grier and
lived in
Bermondsey, Surrey.

from the 1861 Census I have found a John Hart age 29 married to Sarah,
Profession Baker, living at 165, Hoxton Town but am not sure if this is the
right person.

If anyone could anyone help me with the Hart Family, I would be most
grateful.

Regards
Hazel Smith


Re: Latvian Archives Question #latvia

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

I think that you mean they lived in the Province of Vitebsk (Vitebsk
Gubernia) which is now Latgale region of Latvia. Looking at the names
of the shtetlach that you are researching such as Preili, and Ludza
then some of the records are in the Latvian State Historical Archives
and some may be found in Belarus. Your initial request should go to
the Latvian State Historical Archives.
There is a lot of data in the All Latvia Database for Daugavpils which
is close to Preili and also for Ludza. There are cemetery data in the
Jewishgen cemetery database for Ludza.
Check both the All Latvia Database and the Belarus Database and send
complete details of your family to the Archivists.

Arlene Beare
UK

Originalmessage
If my family lived (up until the early 1900s)in the part of Belarus that is
now Latvia, would I find archival records for them in Latvia or in Belarus?

Rochelle Gershenow
Potomac, MD
USA

Searching: AKINSKY/AGINSKY (Belarus); CHAIKIN (Priluki or Priluki area,
Ukraine); GERIS (Belarus); LECKERMAN/LAKERMAN (Podelski or Priluki, Ukraine;
or Pennsylvania, USA); LIFSCHITZ (Podelski or Priluki, Ukraine); SLONIMSKY
(Minsk, Belarus)or SLONIM (USA); SONDEK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK (Lutzin, Belarus;
Ludza, Latvia; USA); PURINSON/PURINZON/PURRINSON (Priluki,Ukraine;
Argentina; Israel; USA); SOKOLOFF (Priluki or Priluki area, Ukraine)


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Latvian Archives Question #latvia

Arlene Beare <arl@...>
 

I think that you mean they lived in the Province of Vitebsk (Vitebsk
Gubernia) which is now Latgale region of Latvia. Looking at the names
of the shtetlach that you are researching such as Preili, and Ludza
then some of the records are in the Latvian State Historical Archives
and some may be found in Belarus. Your initial request should go to
the Latvian State Historical Archives.
There is a lot of data in the All Latvia Database for Daugavpils which
is close to Preili and also for Ludza. There are cemetery data in the
Jewishgen cemetery database for Ludza.
Check both the All Latvia Database and the Belarus Database and send
complete details of your family to the Archivists.

Arlene Beare
UK

Originalmessage
If my family lived (up until the early 1900s)in the part of Belarus that is
now Latvia, would I find archival records for them in Latvia or in Belarus?

Rochelle Gershenow
Potomac, MD
USA

Searching: AKINSKY/AGINSKY (Belarus); CHAIKIN (Priluki or Priluki area,
Ukraine); GERIS (Belarus); LECKERMAN/LAKERMAN (Podelski or Priluki, Ukraine;
or Pennsylvania, USA); LIFSCHITZ (Podelski or Priluki, Ukraine); SLONIMSKY
(Minsk, Belarus)or SLONIM (USA); SONDEK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK (Lutzin, Belarus;
Ludza, Latvia; USA); PURINSON/PURINZON/PURRINSON (Priluki,Ukraine;
Argentina; Israel; USA); SOKOLOFF (Priluki or Priluki area, Ukraine)


K.U.K #hungary

Georges Graner
 

Hi,
May I add my modest contribution to the many interesting messages of H-Sig ?
Yesterday, Robert Neu surprised me because he gave a bad translation of
K.U.K.
This means Kaiserliches und Königlisches, i.e. Imperial and Royal.
Don't forget that Franz-Jozef was at the same time Emperor of Austria and
King of Hungary. Therefore, any organization covering the whole
Austro-Hungarian domain would be called K.U.K.


Georges GRANER (Paris, France)
georges.graner@...
Webmaster of Cercle de Généalogie Juive www.genealoj.org


Budapest Holocaust Memorial Center #hungary

levinson <levinson@...>
 

According the memorial pages that I took >from the Budapest Holocaust
Memorial Center the address is: H-1094 Budapest Pava Utca 39. Do not
hesitate to write them!

Esther Levinson
Israel
Researching: Hochfelder, Neumann, Baum, Weiler and Mandel


k.and k. #hungary

Tsvi Sinai <t_sinai1@...>
 

k. und k. means " Koenigliche und Kaiserliche " (or vice versa ) " Royal
and Emperal "

Tsvi Sinai, Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary K.U.K #hungary

Georges Graner
 

Hi,
May I add my modest contribution to the many interesting messages of H-Sig ?
Yesterday, Robert Neu surprised me because he gave a bad translation of
K.U.K.
This means Kaiserliches und Königlisches, i.e. Imperial and Royal.
Don't forget that Franz-Jozef was at the same time Emperor of Austria and
King of Hungary. Therefore, any organization covering the whole
Austro-Hungarian domain would be called K.U.K.


Georges GRANER (Paris, France)
georges.graner@...
Webmaster of Cercle de Généalogie Juive www.genealoj.org


Hungary SIG #Hungary Budapest Holocaust Memorial Center #hungary

levinson <levinson@...>
 

According the memorial pages that I took >from the Budapest Holocaust
Memorial Center the address is: H-1094 Budapest Pava Utca 39. Do not
hesitate to write them!

Esther Levinson
Israel
Researching: Hochfelder, Neumann, Baum, Weiler and Mandel


Hungary SIG #Hungary k.and k. #hungary

Tsvi Sinai <t_sinai1@...>
 

k. und k. means " Koenigliche und Kaiserliche " (or vice versa ) " Royal
and Emperal "

Tsvi Sinai, Israel


Re: Dachau database #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

I found someone listed on it who I know died deep in Russia after being
arrested in Poland and sent there by the Russians. They never saw the
Nazis at all. They were listed by an "acquaintance" who just go it
wrong. You have to realize that the database is not factual. In many
instances people made assumptions when they filled out the forms.

Tilford

Compupix wrote:

The Yad Vashem database lists some people that survived.
http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome

Drew Faber
Long Beach, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Dachau database #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

I found someone listed on it who I know died deep in Russia after being
arrested in Poland and sent there by the Russians. They never saw the
Nazis at all. They were listed by an "acquaintance" who just go it
wrong. You have to realize that the database is not factual. In many
instances people made assumptions when they filled out the forms.

Tilford

Compupix wrote:

The Yad Vashem database lists some people that survived.
http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome

Drew Faber
Long Beach, CA


Assimilating and Fabricating Immigrants #general

Stephanie Weiner <laguna@...>
 

Dear Rebecca and group,

I am curious how many others out there have had this experience of “finding
out” a relative who claimed they were >from someplace other than they really
were.

That certainly rings a bell for me. My mother's oldest sister (there
were 9 children), and her oldest brother, were both born in Europe
before my grandparents emigrated to America. In the 1900 census, when
she was 6 years old, my aunt's birthplace was listed as "Austria." In
the 1920 census, however, she is listed as being born in "Massachusetts."

Shortly before her death, my mother confirmed this -- telling me it was a
***Great Secret***! The woman's own son had not a clue that his mother had
been born in Europe. The children of the oldest brother (who was younger
than the oldest sister) -- also born in Europe -- always knew that their
father had not been born in the U.S. But nobody compared notes on this
data until I became interested in genealogy.

I'm sure other similar stories will emerge, thanks to Rebecca's inquiry.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Assimilating and Fabricating Immigrants #general

Stephanie Weiner <laguna@...>
 

Dear Rebecca and group,

I am curious how many others out there have had this experience of “finding
out” a relative who claimed they were >from someplace other than they really
were.

That certainly rings a bell for me. My mother's oldest sister (there
were 9 children), and her oldest brother, were both born in Europe
before my grandparents emigrated to America. In the 1900 census, when
she was 6 years old, my aunt's birthplace was listed as "Austria." In
the 1920 census, however, she is listed as being born in "Massachusetts."

Shortly before her death, my mother confirmed this -- telling me it was a
***Great Secret***! The woman's own son had not a clue that his mother had
been born in Europe. The children of the oldest brother (who was younger
than the oldest sister) -- also born in Europe -- always knew that their
father had not been born in the U.S. But nobody compared notes on this
data until I became interested in genealogy.

I'm sure other similar stories will emerge, thanks to Rebecca's inquiry.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA


Looking for Mr. Leo SILVER of Flushing, NY #general

silvio2@...
 

Dear Genners,

My paternal g-father, Zelek GRYC, had four sisters; all of them were
born in Plonsk, Poland. Yesterday I learned >from an uncle that they
moved to Leipzig and married there. I have no idea regarding the
whereabouts of their families, but I got >from my uncle a greeting card
sent in August of 2002 by one of my father's cousins. On the envelope
there is a sticker with his name and address, Mr. Leo SILVER from
Flushing, NY 11355. I tried without success to find his telephone number
through the international directory, there is no Leo SILVER in Flushing.
There are a couple "Leos" and a few "Leonards" in NY, but none of those
that I reached by phone were the right one. I will appreciate very much
any help/guidance on how to contact Mr. Leo SILVER that in 2002 lived in
Flushing

Best regards
Silvio GRYC
Kamon
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Mr. Leo SILVER of Flushing, NY #general

silvio2@...
 

Dear Genners,

My paternal g-father, Zelek GRYC, had four sisters; all of them were
born in Plonsk, Poland. Yesterday I learned >from an uncle that they
moved to Leipzig and married there. I have no idea regarding the
whereabouts of their families, but I got >from my uncle a greeting card
sent in August of 2002 by one of my father's cousins. On the envelope
there is a sticker with his name and address, Mr. Leo SILVER from
Flushing, NY 11355. I tried without success to find his telephone number
through the international directory, there is no Leo SILVER in Flushing.
There are a couple "Leos" and a few "Leonards" in NY, but none of those
that I reached by phone were the right one. I will appreciate very much
any help/guidance on how to contact Mr. Leo SILVER that in 2002 lived in
Flushing

Best regards
Silvio GRYC
Kamon
Israel