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Re: LINCOLN and Jewish Ancestry - Another Angle? #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Another possibility was mentioned in a recent message concerning Jewish genes and
Jewish ancestry appearing in a DNA forum. The author of the message was
referencing Stern's "First Jewish Families." and stated that she was abbreviating
a long reference:

"(p.119) In America by 1767, Moses Hyams of Poland marries Judith Isaacs of
Germany. Their lineage continues through a Solomon and a Ricardo onward to Polock,
Nordhaus, Bensadon, to Alexander, Denison, Morris, Connaly, Tucker, Tillman onward
to a Dr. Isaac Ambrose who marries the daughter of John Blair Smith, who has a
daughter who marries Robert S. Todd of Lexington, Kentucky, whose daughter Mary
Todd marries Abraham Lincoln."

The same author listed the Jewish ancestry of numerous non-Jewish individuals, all
referenced to Stern's book.

I do not have Stern's book or I would have checked the reference.
I'm sure a number of JewishGen participants can access the book.
It may possibly provide the flip side to the Post's story.
Just a somewhat curious note to this discussion.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net


Re: Abe LINCOLN Update-Mordechai #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Early English settlers in the US used a lot of biblical names. Every 'Old
Testament' name, it seems, was used. These names are still popular with the
fairly isolated 'hillbilly'/Appalachian communities. I know a woman who's
ancestors came >from West Virginia in the 1700's' she thinks they were Jewish
because one was named Reuben Israel. Like Mordechai, that is not proof of
religion or ethnic origin. Anyone might have any name - Moises Alou is not
Jewish, just because he is named Moses either.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ

"And, speaking empirically, have any of you ever heard of man named "Mordechai"
who was not Jewish? There seems to be no dispute among scholars that this really
was Lincoln's great-grandfather's name."


Re: Rabbinical/Tribe Question (ADLER, HALPERN, ALBER) #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/15/2005 11:32:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
trovato@verizon.net writes:

In the case of the three names you mention, I'd guess (and I mean, guess) that
ADLER was taken as a required surname more often than HALPERN or ALBER, the
latter of which was often a variant of the (often) Rabbinic name
HALBERSTADT/HALBERSTAM.

==Adler is German for Eagle. Many were named after a dwelling home designated
with an eagle portrait

==Halpern designated people whose ancestry was in the German town Heilbronn

==Alber might be a variant of ALBERT, the Spanish Albo (=white), or as Roger
Lustig suggests, >from Halberstam, Halberstadt or any other name or location,
including Heilbronn.

==In addition to COHEN, KOHEN, KAGAN, AARONSON etc. there are some family names
associated with Kohanim. RAPPAPORT is one, and they're actually named after a
crow.

==My Bernet family is Levites--but the only ones that produced a chain of rabbis
were the Frensdorff branch--named after our ancestral village.

==I do think that Levites have produced an inordinately high number of rabbinic
families: MAINZER/MENZ (after a German city), EPSTEIN (originally Benveniste who
took their new name >from an Austrian village after the expulsion >from Spain),
HOROWITZ/GUREVITCH (after a Moravian village), BAMBERGER (German town). But that
may have had familial-economic reasons--or it may be my prejudiced perception

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: LINCOLN and Jewish Ancestry - Another Angle? #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Another possibility was mentioned in a recent message concerning Jewish genes and
Jewish ancestry appearing in a DNA forum. The author of the message was
referencing Stern's "First Jewish Families." and stated that she was abbreviating
a long reference:

"(p.119) In America by 1767, Moses Hyams of Poland marries Judith Isaacs of
Germany. Their lineage continues through a Solomon and a Ricardo onward to Polock,
Nordhaus, Bensadon, to Alexander, Denison, Morris, Connaly, Tucker, Tillman onward
to a Dr. Isaac Ambrose who marries the daughter of John Blair Smith, who has a
daughter who marries Robert S. Todd of Lexington, Kentucky, whose daughter Mary
Todd marries Abraham Lincoln."

The same author listed the Jewish ancestry of numerous non-Jewish individuals, all
referenced to Stern's book.

I do not have Stern's book or I would have checked the reference.
I'm sure a number of JewishGen participants can access the book.
It may possibly provide the flip side to the Post's story.
Just a somewhat curious note to this discussion.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Abe LINCOLN Update-Mordechai #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Early English settlers in the US used a lot of biblical names. Every 'Old
Testament' name, it seems, was used. These names are still popular with the
fairly isolated 'hillbilly'/Appalachian communities. I know a woman who's
ancestors came >from West Virginia in the 1700's' she thinks they were Jewish
because one was named Reuben Israel. Like Mordechai, that is not proof of
religion or ethnic origin. Anyone might have any name - Moises Alou is not
Jewish, just because he is named Moses either.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ

"And, speaking empirically, have any of you ever heard of man named "Mordechai"
who was not Jewish? There seems to be no dispute among scholars that this really
was Lincoln's great-grandfather's name."


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rabbinical/Tribe Question (ADLER, HALPERN, ALBER) #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/15/2005 11:32:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
trovato@verizon.net writes:

In the case of the three names you mention, I'd guess (and I mean, guess) that
ADLER was taken as a required surname more often than HALPERN or ALBER, the
latter of which was often a variant of the (often) Rabbinic name
HALBERSTADT/HALBERSTAM.

==Adler is German for Eagle. Many were named after a dwelling home designated
with an eagle portrait

==Halpern designated people whose ancestry was in the German town Heilbronn

==Alber might be a variant of ALBERT, the Spanish Albo (=white), or as Roger
Lustig suggests, >from Halberstam, Halberstadt or any other name or location,
including Heilbronn.

==In addition to COHEN, KOHEN, KAGAN, AARONSON etc. there are some family names
associated with Kohanim. RAPPAPORT is one, and they're actually named after a
crow.

==My Bernet family is Levites--but the only ones that produced a chain of rabbis
were the Frensdorff branch--named after our ancestral village.

==I do think that Levites have produced an inordinately high number of rabbinic
families: MAINZER/MENZ (after a German city), EPSTEIN (originally Benveniste who
took their new name >from an Austrian village after the expulsion >from Spain),
HOROWITZ/GUREVITCH (after a Moravian village), BAMBERGER (German town). But that
may have had familial-economic reasons--or it may be my prejudiced perception

Michael Bernet, New York


SITE CITE: 1885 Posen business directory #germany

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Several messages were recently posted to the GaliciaSIG describing the
discovery of a 1912 Galician telephone directory on the website of the
Digital Library of Wielkopolska by GaliciaSIGger Grzegorz Gembala.
Searching the collection of the Digital Library, it appears that there are
also many address and business directories for Posen. For example, an 1885
business directory for Posen can be found at:

http://www.wbc.poznan.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=2720&;dirids=1

Clicking on "ksiega adresowa," which appears on that page next to
"Resource Type" brings up a list of several other directories for Posen.

I have no experience with Posen research, so I do not know if these resources
are well-known. Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu near Washington, D.C.


German SIG #Germany SITE CITE: 1885 Posen business directory #germany

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Several messages were recently posted to the GaliciaSIG describing the
discovery of a 1912 Galician telephone directory on the website of the
Digital Library of Wielkopolska by GaliciaSIGger Grzegorz Gembala.
Searching the collection of the Digital Library, it appears that there are
also many address and business directories for Posen. For example, an 1885
business directory for Posen can be found at:

http://www.wbc.poznan.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=2720&;dirids=1

Clicking on "ksiega adresowa," which appears on that page next to
"Resource Type" brings up a list of several other directories for Posen.

I have no experience with Posen research, so I do not know if these resources
are well-known. Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu near Washington, D.C.


Descendants from Ukmerge, Lithuania Who Are in Israel #lithuania

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

A friend of mine will be in Israel July 2-22, 2005, and he would like to
meet with other descendants >from Ukmerge, Lithuania. He is originally from
Cuba where his parents went in the 1920's and where there was a large group
of people >from Ukmerge. His families are Volpe / Wolpe and Atlas. These
families also went to South Africa.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Descendants from Ukmerge, Lithuania Who Are in Israel #lithuania

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

A friend of mine will be in Israel July 2-22, 2005, and he would like to
meet with other descendants >from Ukmerge, Lithuania. He is originally from
Cuba where his parents went in the 1920's and where there was a large group
of people >from Ukmerge. His families are Volpe / Wolpe and Atlas. These
families also went to South Africa.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JGS North Jersey Meeting March 27 #general

Paul & Myrna Lewis <pmlewis6391@...>
 

Editing Photographs & Other Documents

Place: YM-YWHA of North Jersey
Date: Sunday March 27, 2005
Time: 2:00 PM

Many genealogists have gathered photographs and documents to go along with our
computerized family history records. It's a two-step process: first, we have to
put the actual "hard-copy" material into computer-readable form, and then we often
have to do some work on it before we include it in our database. The first stage -
scanning the photo or document into a computer file - was discussed at an earlier
meeting of our group. Now we're ready to tackle the second part.

Bob Kraus, a long-time member of JGSNJ, will demonstrate some of the photo-editing
techniques available with fairly inexpensive computer software. A key element of
his presentation will be the assurance that patience rather than extensive
computer skill is the primary requirement to producing these most worthwhile
additions to your genealogy records.

The JGS meetings are held at the YM-YWHA of North Jersey, 1 Pike Drive, Wayne, NJ.
The Charles & Bessie Goldman Library will be open at 1:30 P.M. to give those
interested a chance to use our extensive resource center and socialize. The
program will begin at 2:00 P.M. There is no charge for the program. All are
welcome.

For information, or directions, contact:
Susan 732-752-3384, Judy 973-226-7049 or Paul 845-357-5567
Check our website: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2gnpn/index.html


1885 Posen business directory #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Several messages were recently posted to the GaliciaSIG describing the
discovery of a 1912 Galician telephone directory on the website of the
Digital Library of Wielkopolska by GaliciaSIGger Grzegorz Gembala.

Searching the collection of the Digital Library, it appears that there
arealso many address and business directories for Posen. For example,
an 1885 business directory for Posen can be found at
http://www.wbc.poznan.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=2720&;dirids=1.

Clicking on "ksiega adresowa," which appears on that page next to
"Resource Type" brings up a list of several other directories for Posen.
I have no experience with Posen research, so I do not know if these
resources are well-known.

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS North Jersey Meeting March 27 #general

Paul & Myrna Lewis <pmlewis6391@...>
 

Editing Photographs & Other Documents

Place: YM-YWHA of North Jersey
Date: Sunday March 27, 2005
Time: 2:00 PM

Many genealogists have gathered photographs and documents to go along with our
computerized family history records. It's a two-step process: first, we have to
put the actual "hard-copy" material into computer-readable form, and then we often
have to do some work on it before we include it in our database. The first stage -
scanning the photo or document into a computer file - was discussed at an earlier
meeting of our group. Now we're ready to tackle the second part.

Bob Kraus, a long-time member of JGSNJ, will demonstrate some of the photo-editing
techniques available with fairly inexpensive computer software. A key element of
his presentation will be the assurance that patience rather than extensive
computer skill is the primary requirement to producing these most worthwhile
additions to your genealogy records.

The JGS meetings are held at the YM-YWHA of North Jersey, 1 Pike Drive, Wayne, NJ.
The Charles & Bessie Goldman Library will be open at 1:30 P.M. to give those
interested a chance to use our extensive resource center and socialize. The
program will begin at 2:00 P.M. There is no charge for the program. All are
welcome.

For information, or directions, contact:
Susan 732-752-3384, Judy 973-226-7049 or Paul 845-357-5567
Check our website: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2gnpn/index.html


JRI Poland #Poland 1885 Posen business directory #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Several messages were recently posted to the GaliciaSIG describing the
discovery of a 1912 Galician telephone directory on the website of the
Digital Library of Wielkopolska by GaliciaSIGger Grzegorz Gembala.

Searching the collection of the Digital Library, it appears that there
arealso many address and business directories for Posen. For example,
an 1885 business directory for Posen can be found at
http://www.wbc.poznan.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=2720&;dirids=1.

Clicking on "ksiega adresowa," which appears on that page next to
"Resource Type" brings up a list of several other directories for Posen.
I have no experience with Posen research, so I do not know if these
resources are well-known.

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


Phone Directory Of Poland #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

This was discussed in the past on one of the lists.
Due to privacy concerns it was removed >from the
Internet. The Yellow Pages on the other hand, are
there.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Does anyone know whether there is a current
telephone directory for Poland
online ?


JRI Poland #Poland Phone Directory Of Poland #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

This was discussed in the past on one of the lists.
Due to privacy concerns it was removed >from the
Internet. The Yellow Pages on the other hand, are
there.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Does anyone know whether there is a current
telephone directory for Poland
online ?


Danzig/Gdansk #poland

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Tom Erribe asks:

<< Can someone tell me if Danzig/Gdansk records for 1926-1935 would be
located with Polish records, Ukrainian records, German records, etc. >>

When you say "located with", what do you mean? Are you referring to LDS
microfilms? Original records?

If the former, the catalog at familysearch.org will provide many
details. If the latter, the answer is (at least partially): in Gdansk!
The PRADZIAD database of the Polish State Archives shows that the Gdansk
archive has Jewish BMD records through 1927.

For Prussian Poland, civil vital records were kept by registry offices
from 1874 onward. In today's Poland, there's limited access for 100
years after the creation of the record, which is kept at the registry
office. After that, it's moved to the archives (usually in batches
every few years).

The records were almost certainly written in German. The population of
the Free City of Danzig (1920-1939) was overwhelmingly German-speaking,
incl. most of its Jewish community. So the city government of Gdansk
would be the place to turn.

And we can *definitely* rule out Ukrainian.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ
researching Upper Silesia, mostly


JRI Poland #Poland Danzig/Gdansk #poland

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Tom Erribe asks:

<< Can someone tell me if Danzig/Gdansk records for 1926-1935 would be
located with Polish records, Ukrainian records, German records, etc. >>

When you say "located with", what do you mean? Are you referring to LDS
microfilms? Original records?

If the former, the catalog at familysearch.org will provide many
details. If the latter, the answer is (at least partially): in Gdansk!
The PRADZIAD database of the Polish State Archives shows that the Gdansk
archive has Jewish BMD records through 1927.

For Prussian Poland, civil vital records were kept by registry offices
from 1874 onward. In today's Poland, there's limited access for 100
years after the creation of the record, which is kept at the registry
office. After that, it's moved to the archives (usually in batches
every few years).

The records were almost certainly written in German. The population of
the Free City of Danzig (1920-1939) was overwhelmingly German-speaking,
incl. most of its Jewish community. So the city government of Gdansk
would be the place to turn.

And we can *definitely* rule out Ukrainian.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ
researching Upper Silesia, mostly


Regarding dobromil #poland

Larry Nussbaum <larry.nussbaum@...>
 

Does anyone have a direct contact to get information >from Dobromil
(now in the Ukraine) My great grandfather lived there and my
grandfather was born there and then moved to Przemsyl, Poland.
Family name is Nussbaum.

Thank you,

Larry Nussbaum
Kansas City, Mo
larry.nussbaum@gmail.com


JRI Poland #Poland Regarding dobromil #poland

Larry Nussbaum <larry.nussbaum@...>
 

Does anyone have a direct contact to get information >from Dobromil
(now in the Ukraine) My great grandfather lived there and my
grandfather was born there and then moved to Przemsyl, Poland.
Family name is Nussbaum.

Thank you,

Larry Nussbaum
Kansas City, Mo
larry.nussbaum@gmail.com