What would be likely cemeteries to check for someone who died
in Trenton, NJ bet. 1900 - 1920?

Monica Talmor
Hamden, CT

What would be likely cemeteries to check for someone who died
in Trenton, NJ bet. 1900 - 1920?

Monica Talmor
Hamden, CT

In reply to Ariane Mil's query, "I would like to know how were the customs
in the different centuries and regions to put the first initials of the
names of the bride in the cutlery, which she brought as dowry for her
wedding:

Initials of first name and married name?
Initials of first name and maiden name?
Initials of married name and maiden name?"

My reply: I was born in Antwerp, Belgium, in 1923, and lived there until
May 1940, when the Germans invaded the country. My mother's damask linen,
which was part of her trousseau (dowry) and some of which I still use, was
embroidered with her maiden name's initials. There were two reasons for
this: 1) very often, a young girl started working on her trousseau when she
was still a teenager, long before she knew whom she wed; 2) if she was
engaged and knew what her married name would be, still she wanted the silver
and linen, etc., pieces in her trousseau to show their provenance.
Eventually, when she was a married woman, anything that was purchased and
engraved would bear her married name's initials.

Henny

Henriette Moëd Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net

In reply to Ariane Mil's query, "I would like to know how were the customs
in the different centuries and regions to put the first initials of the
names of the bride in the cutlery, which she brought as dowry for her
wedding:

Initials of first name and married name?
Initials of first name and maiden name?
Initials of married name and maiden name?"

My reply: I was born in Antwerp, Belgium, in 1923, and lived there until
May 1940, when the Germans invaded the country. My mother's damask linen,
which was part of her trousseau (dowry) and some of which I still use, was
embroidered with her maiden name's initials. There were two reasons for
this: 1) very often, a young girl started working on her trousseau when she
was still a teenager, long before she knew whom she wed; 2) if she was
engaged and knew what her married name would be, still she wanted the silver
and linen, etc., pieces in her trousseau to show their provenance.
Eventually, when she was a married woman, anything that was purchased and
engraved would bear her married name's initials.

Henny

Henriette Moëd Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net

http://www.yiddishvoice.com/
I was searching around for whatever and came upon this page.
For those of you with folks who were in Yiddish theater in whatever manner,
who were scholars, etc. this is a nifty resource.

Regards,
Anita Citron
Hicksville, NY

http://www.yiddishvoice.com/
I was searching around for whatever and came upon this page.
For those of you with folks who were in Yiddish theater in whatever manner,
who were scholars, etc. this is a nifty resource.

Regards,
Anita Citron
Hicksville, NY

I have posted a Wedding certificae on Viewmate. (VM5650 Translation-Hebrew)
If anyone can please advise me who it was for and the date of the marriage,
I would really appreciate it!
Thanks
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5650
Please respond directly to
FRWard@direcpc.com
Thank you

Fern Ward
Laveen, AZ
ZELMANOVICS, KATZ

Moderator: Please respond off-list.

I have posted on Viewmate a passport that I believe is in Cyrllic.
If anyone can tell me anything about it - I would be really appreciative!
- Re: Viewmate 5651, 5652. 5653, 5654
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5651

Please respond to
FRWard@direcpc.com

Thank You
Fern Ward
Laveen, AZ
ZELMANOVICS, KATZ

Moderator: Please respond off-list.

I have posted a Wedding certificae on Viewmate. (VM5650 Translation-Hebrew)
If anyone can please advise me who it was for and the date of the marriage,
I would really appreciate it!
Thanks
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5650
Please respond directly to
FRWard@direcpc.com
Thank you

Fern Ward
Laveen, AZ
ZELMANOVICS, KATZ

Moderator: Please respond off-list.

I have posted on Viewmate a passport that I believe is in Cyrllic.
If anyone can tell me anything about it - I would be really appreciative!
- Re: Viewmate 5651, 5652. 5653, 5654
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5651

Please respond to
FRWard@direcpc.com

Thank You
Fern Ward
Laveen, AZ
ZELMANOVICS, KATZ

Moderator: Please respond off-list.

Friends,

I just received in the mail a copy of the naturalization petition of my 1st
cousin, 3x removed, Mendel "Max" Stern, >from 1907. I would love to get help
about it in two respects.

First, he says on it that he is >from Potzanka, Bereg Megye, Hungary. I
can't locate that town using Shtetlseeker, and I've never heard of it. Most
of my family is >from Munkacs and thereabout (which is also in Bereg Megye),
so I imagine Potzanka is near to there. Is anyone familiar with this town?

Second, I haven't been able to locate his records through Ellis Island. The
Petition says he emigrated >from Rotterdam, Holland on the vessel Pottsdam,
coming >from Potzanka, arriving at the Port of New York on 21st day of July
1902. (This was done in November 1907, so my poor ancestor will be forgiven
if his memory failed him at the ripe old age of about 22.)

The closest I've found is a manifest listing a Mendel Stern dated July 28,
1903, which is one year + one day off (though the month is the same). It
says he is 14 y.o., which is four years off. The town he comes >from appears
to say Polyana, which *might* be Potzanka (Potsana???). It says he is going
to Yonkers, which would be correct. And it looks like it says he is going
to meet his father, "L. Stern," which also raises questions, because his
father's name was Chaim Leib Stern.

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?MID=08174149750236454592&;pID=102672080291&show=K%3A%5CT715%2D0378%5CT715%2D03780032%2ETIF&origFN=K%3A%5CT715%2D0378%5CT715%2D03780032%2ETIF&fromEI=1

I started reading through all the passengers on the Potsdam (diff. spelling

from how it appears on the citizenship papers!), arr. July 28 (so cousin Max

was off by a week), but I only got it through 100 pages out of the 500 or so
on the microfilm!

Thanks!

-Micah Salb
STERN FAMILY

In a message dated 3/11/05 1:21:42 AM, h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< We have reasons to believe that Katz Nina is related to my Katz family

and if this is true I am on the verge of a huge breakthrough in my

research.

>>

I remember reading in the rabbinical genealogical literature that there is a
question as to whether Rabbi Mordechai Banet was actually descended >from Rabbi
Naftali katz, author of Semichas Chachamim. His biographers seem to disagree
about his familial background, I think there is something written about this
by Rabbi YY Greenwald who wrote extenesively about Hungarian rabbis and
Hungarian Jewish history.
A. Marmorstein

Friends,

I just received in the mail a copy of the naturalization petition of my 1st
cousin, 3x removed, Mendel "Max" Stern, >from 1907. I would love to get help
about it in two respects.

First, he says on it that he is >from Potzanka, Bereg Megye, Hungary. I
can't locate that town using Shtetlseeker, and I've never heard of it. Most
of my family is >from Munkacs and thereabout (which is also in Bereg Megye),
so I imagine Potzanka is near to there. Is anyone familiar with this town?

Second, I haven't been able to locate his records through Ellis Island. The
Petition says he emigrated >from Rotterdam, Holland on the vessel Pottsdam,
coming >from Potzanka, arriving at the Port of New York on 21st day of July
1902. (This was done in November 1907, so my poor ancestor will be forgiven
if his memory failed him at the ripe old age of about 22.)

The closest I've found is a manifest listing a Mendel Stern dated July 28,
1903, which is one year + one day off (though the month is the same). It
says he is 14 y.o., which is four years off. The town he comes >from appears
to say Polyana, which *might* be Potzanka (Potsana???). It says he is going
to Yonkers, which would be correct. And it looks like it says he is going
to meet his father, "L. Stern," which also raises questions, because his
father's name was Chaim Leib Stern.

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?MID=08174149750236454592&;pID=102672080291&show=K%3A%5CT715%2D0378%5CT715%2D03780032%2ETIF&origFN=K%3A%5CT715%2D0378%5CT715%2D03780032%2ETIF&fromEI=1

I started reading through all the passengers on the Potsdam (diff. spelling

from how it appears on the citizenship papers!), arr. July 28 (so cousin Max

was off by a week), but I only got it through 100 pages out of the 500 or so
on the microfilm!

Thanks!

-Micah Salb
STERN FAMILY

In a message dated 3/11/05 1:21:42 AM, h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< We have reasons to believe that Katz Nina is related to my Katz family

and if this is true I am on the verge of a huge breakthrough in my

research.

>>

I remember reading in the rabbinical genealogical literature that there is a
question as to whether Rabbi Mordechai Banet was actually descended >from Rabbi
Naftali katz, author of Semichas Chachamim. His biographers seem to disagree
about his familial background, I think there is something written about this
by Rabbi YY Greenwald who wrote extenesively about Hungarian rabbis and
Hungarian Jewish history.
A. Marmorstein

Hi Alex,

My grandfather was named for his brother who died prior to his birth. =
There
are quite a few examples in my family tree where a surviving child was =
named
for a deceased brother or sister. This pattern was common in Hungary and
Germany.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
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Subject: Naming patterns
From: alex p miller <alex.miller@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:24:20 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello, Friends,

I wonder if you have encountered unusual naming patterns in Jewish
families.(other than naming a child after a deceased ancestor)

Examples:
-Naming a child the same as a living parent
-Naming a child after a deceased sibling
-Naming two living children the same name

Best Regards,

Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
alex.miller@ juno.com

Hi Alex,

My grandfather was named for his brother who died prior to his birth. =
There
are quite a few examples in my family tree where a surviving child was =
named
for a deceased brother or sister. This pattern was common in Hungary and
Germany.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
===================
Subject: Naming patterns
From: alex p miller <alex.miller@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:24:20 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello, Friends,

I wonder if you have encountered unusual naming patterns in Jewish
families.(other than naming a child after a deceased ancestor)

Examples:
-Naming a child the same as a living parent
-Naming a child after a deceased sibling
-Naming two living children the same name

Best Regards,

Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
alex.miller@ juno.com

Henry L's mother told him that anyone with the name
HAAS In Detroit would be their relative.
In the North Woodward area of Michigan, that is about
20 miles of the city of Detroit, there are at least 25
names listed in the SBC's residential phone book with
the name HAAS. The next group of names are HAASE.
Maybe she meant the Hungarian word HA'Z (house). It
is pronounced the same way as HAAS. I did not find
any with the name Ha'z.

John Kovacs
Bloomfield, Michigan

I am in search of the following documents that provide information on the
GROEDEL family:

1. Egyenloseg, 26 Sept, 1890, p. 17
2. Gelleri, Ipartorteneti vazlztok, pp. 576-578

Thank you!

Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA

as far as i know it is jewish custom NOT to name children after a living parent. unfortunately some children are named after parents who died. (for example, my great-grandfather was named "baruch ben baruch" after his late father.) however, there are exceptions to every rule, and i have seen a few "jr"s and even "III"s in jewish families (in the southern u.s., for example), but it is VERY unusual.

through jewishgen, i have heard of siblings bearing almost identical names (such as isaac and itsik), possibly where they were named after two different ancestors with similar names. but i can't imagine calling two siblings the same name - at least for practical purposes, that sounds like it would be a bad idea.

on the other hand, some places adapted the jewish practice of patronymics, and listed the father's name as if it were the child's middle name (which it really wasn't). in that case, the hebrew name "yaaqov ben yitzhaq" might be listed as "jakab itzik goldenberger" , while his brother might be "david itzik goldenberger". in this case they really share the same father, not the same name.

i don't know of any prohibition against naming a child after a deceased sibling, and we have a few of these in our family, particularly named after children lost in the holocaust. since it is considered a mitzvah to "perpetuate the name" of someone who died without having children, i would guess that some people would give the same name.


....... tom klein, toronto

Grandson of Jeno IZSAK(Jack Isaac) searching in Israel for Yehudit
BIRNBOIM, nephew of Odon (Asher)IZSAK, orthopedic shoemaker and
shop owner, born 1889 in Tartolcz, Hungary (now Tirsolt, Romania),
resided in Berehove. Located your name as submitter of Page of
Testimony to Yad Vashem. Please contact me by e-mail
[alexallen@att.net]

ALLEN HAUSMAN
Alexandria, Virginia, USA
Jewish Gen. researcher 14033