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Re: David DRUCKER #rabbinic

Chaim freedman
 

On 2005.04.18, Deborah Glassman <dgg2020@comcast.net> wrote:

David DRUCKER was according to the memoirs of Rabbi Leon Modena the
son-in-law of Rabbi Samuel Judah KATZENELLENBOGEN. [...] David had
been in business in Vienna [...] David DRUCKER's son Israel Yehiel
DRUCKER of Venice was properly surnamed RAPA or RAPAPORT [...]
So my conclusion is that when Saul WAHL married Deborah DRUCKER, the
daughter of David DRUCKER, he was marrying his niece Deborah, the
daughter of David RAPA haKohen and Rachel Miriam KATZENELLENBOGEN.
I think that Deborah Glassman has David DRUKER, the father-in-law of
Shaul WAHL (KATZENELLENBOGEN) confused with someone else.

David DRUKER lived in Brisk, not Vienna, Venice, or Prague. Nor was
he a RAPAPORT. There are many sources for the KATZENELLENBOGEN
family which mention him. See Rosenstein's "The Unbroken Chain" and
"Yesh Mankhilin."

"Daat Kedoshim" (page 84) refers to David DRUKER as "Hakatzin
Hanaaleh, MO"H David DRUKER, Parnes U manhig BBrisk DeLita". Note
that "Daat Kedoshim" also gives details of the RAPAPORT family and
does not connect them to David DRUKER.

None support Deborah's theory.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: David DRUCKER #rabbinic

Chaim freedman
 

On 2005.04.18, Deborah Glassman <dgg2020@comcast.net> wrote:

David DRUCKER was according to the memoirs of Rabbi Leon Modena the
son-in-law of Rabbi Samuel Judah KATZENELLENBOGEN. [...] David had
been in business in Vienna [...] David DRUCKER's son Israel Yehiel
DRUCKER of Venice was properly surnamed RAPA or RAPAPORT [...]
So my conclusion is that when Saul WAHL married Deborah DRUCKER, the
daughter of David DRUCKER, he was marrying his niece Deborah, the
daughter of David RAPA haKohen and Rachel Miriam KATZENELLENBOGEN.
I think that Deborah Glassman has David DRUKER, the father-in-law of
Shaul WAHL (KATZENELLENBOGEN) confused with someone else.

David DRUKER lived in Brisk, not Vienna, Venice, or Prague. Nor was
he a RAPAPORT. There are many sources for the KATZENELLENBOGEN
family which mention him. See Rosenstein's "The Unbroken Chain" and
"Yesh Mankhilin."

"Daat Kedoshim" (page 84) refers to David DRUKER as "Hakatzin
Hanaaleh, MO"H David DRUKER, Parnes U manhig BBrisk DeLita". Note
that "Daat Kedoshim" also gives details of the RAPAPORT family and
does not connect them to David DRUKER.

None support Deborah's theory.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il


Does anyone have information on Jewish familes from Hrachoviste in Slovakia? #general

AK <alan.kolnik@...>
 

I am trying to establish if any Jewish familes were known to have lived in
Hrachoviste, in present day Slovakia (there are also two twons with the same
name in the Czech Republic, but I think my search is confiend to the one is
Slovakia.

Thanks

Alan Kolnik

alan.kolnik@verizon.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Does anyone have information on Jewish familes from Hrachoviste in Slovakia? #general

AK <alan.kolnik@...>
 

I am trying to establish if any Jewish familes were known to have lived in
Hrachoviste, in present day Slovakia (there are also two twons with the same
name in the Czech Republic, but I think my search is confiend to the one is
Slovakia.

Thanks

Alan Kolnik

alan.kolnik@verizon.net


Descendants/Ancestors of Sarah & Henrietta Bernstein #general

Michael Glick <m2glick@...>
 

I am looking for descendants and/or ancestors of sisters Sarah and
Henrietta Bernstein. Both were born in Lodz Poland (Sarah ca. 1868),
and moved to Manchester England.

Please send possible matches to m2glick(at)hotmail.com (replace the
"(at)" with @)

--Michael Glick


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Descendants/Ancestors of Sarah & Henrietta Bernstein #general

Michael Glick <m2glick@...>
 

I am looking for descendants and/or ancestors of sisters Sarah and
Henrietta Bernstein. Both were born in Lodz Poland (Sarah ca. 1868),
and moved to Manchester England.

Please send possible matches to m2glick(at)hotmail.com (replace the
"(at)" with @)

--Michael Glick


Leah HYAMS (South Carolina > Louisiana > Texas, 1817 - 1891 ) and Judah BENSADON ( Pennsylvania > South Carolina > Louisiana, ca. 1821 - 1852) #usa

Teri Tillman <natzrose@...>
 

I am trying to trace the descendants of Leah HYAMS (born 1817 in Charleston,
South Carolina), daughter of Henry HYAMS and Judith MYERS, and Judah
BENSADON, son of Jacob BENSADON and Abigail JACOBS. Leah and Judah and their
three daughters were living in New Orleans with Leah's parents at the time
of the 1850 U.S. census. Judah, a well-known stonecutter, died 16 July 1852
and is buried in Dispersed of Judah Cemetery in New Orleans, Louisiana.

Leah and her children were still living in New Orleans at the time of the 1860
census. In 1870 Leah was living in Houston, Texas, with her daughter and
son-in-law, Amanda and Adolph ROBINSON. Leah died in San Antonio, Texas,
05 December 1891, and is buried beside her husband in New Orleans. Their
son, Jacob H., ca. 1851 - 1905, is also buried in Dispersed of Judah Cemetery.
Leah and Judah's daughters were: Amanda, ca. 1843 - aft. 1880, married
Adolph ROBINSON; Maria / May, ca. 1848 - aft. 1870; Catherine / Kate, ca.
1850 - aft. 1880.

Amanda BENSADON and Adolph ROBINSON had four children: Judah, ca. 1866 -
aft. 1900; Rebecca, ca. 1870 - aft. 1880; Harry, ca. 1871 - aft. 1880; and
Walter, ca. 1873 - aft. 1910. Judah ROBINSON was born in Louisiana; the
three ROBINSON daughters were born in Texas. I believe that Rebecca ROBINSON
may have married a Louis H. GILBERT who was born in Nevada ca. 1865.

This Louis and Rebecca were living in Alameda Co., California in 1900; San Mateo
Co., California, in 1910; and Manhattan, New York, in 1930. Louis and
Rebecca had one child, Harold, born abt. 1893 in Oregon, who married Anita
from Canada ca. 1920. He died 1920 - 1930, leaving behind three young
children, Anita, Harold, Jr., and Millicent, in addition to his widow.
I would appreciate hearing >from anyone with knowledge of these families.
I am particularly interested in learning when and where Amanda BENSADON
ROBINSON died and whether or not her daughter, Rebecca, married a Louis
H. GILBERT who was born in Nevada ca. 1865 and was living in Manhattan in 1930.
Thank you.

Teri Tillman Natchez, Mississippi <natzrose@bellsouth.net>


Early American SIG #USA Leah HYAMS (South Carolina > Louisiana > Texas, 1817 - 1891 ) and Judah BENSADON ( Pennsylvania > South Carolina > Louisiana, ca. 1821 - 1852) #usa

Teri Tillman <natzrose@...>
 

I am trying to trace the descendants of Leah HYAMS (born 1817 in Charleston,
South Carolina), daughter of Henry HYAMS and Judith MYERS, and Judah
BENSADON, son of Jacob BENSADON and Abigail JACOBS. Leah and Judah and their
three daughters were living in New Orleans with Leah's parents at the time
of the 1850 U.S. census. Judah, a well-known stonecutter, died 16 July 1852
and is buried in Dispersed of Judah Cemetery in New Orleans, Louisiana.

Leah and her children were still living in New Orleans at the time of the 1860
census. In 1870 Leah was living in Houston, Texas, with her daughter and
son-in-law, Amanda and Adolph ROBINSON. Leah died in San Antonio, Texas,
05 December 1891, and is buried beside her husband in New Orleans. Their
son, Jacob H., ca. 1851 - 1905, is also buried in Dispersed of Judah Cemetery.
Leah and Judah's daughters were: Amanda, ca. 1843 - aft. 1880, married
Adolph ROBINSON; Maria / May, ca. 1848 - aft. 1870; Catherine / Kate, ca.
1850 - aft. 1880.

Amanda BENSADON and Adolph ROBINSON had four children: Judah, ca. 1866 -
aft. 1900; Rebecca, ca. 1870 - aft. 1880; Harry, ca. 1871 - aft. 1880; and
Walter, ca. 1873 - aft. 1910. Judah ROBINSON was born in Louisiana; the
three ROBINSON daughters were born in Texas. I believe that Rebecca ROBINSON
may have married a Louis H. GILBERT who was born in Nevada ca. 1865.

This Louis and Rebecca were living in Alameda Co., California in 1900; San Mateo
Co., California, in 1910; and Manhattan, New York, in 1930. Louis and
Rebecca had one child, Harold, born abt. 1893 in Oregon, who married Anita
from Canada ca. 1920. He died 1920 - 1930, leaving behind three young
children, Anita, Harold, Jr., and Millicent, in addition to his widow.
I would appreciate hearing >from anyone with knowledge of these families.
I am particularly interested in learning when and where Amanda BENSADON
ROBINSON died and whether or not her daughter, Rebecca, married a Louis
H. GILBERT who was born in Nevada ca. 1865 and was living in Manhattan in 1930.
Thank you.

Teri Tillman Natchez, Mississippi <natzrose@bellsouth.net>


Searching WESTENZWEIG in USA #general

Sylvia Kaye <sylk@...>
 

Dear Group,

Is there anyone out there who knows anything about a Harry or Benjamin
WESTENZWEIG.

from various US sources I've discovered the following:
Harry married Ester DRUKER (both immigrated to the US around 1907)
in NY approx. 1917/18.

Ester (b. approx. 1897, died 1982) & Harry (b.aprox 1896) were
living in NY in 1920 and 1930, and had at least 2 children (Benjamin, b. 1918,
Yetta, b.1920).

Ester's mother (Becki/Golda/Manie) lived with them in 1920, but not
in 1930 (if she is who I think she is, then she died in a fire between
those two dates).

Benjamin died in 2003.

If any of the above is familiar to you, please contact me.
I believe that Benjamin was my father-in-law's first cousin.
Esther and her sister, Yetta,lost contact after their mother died.

Thank you for any help you can offer!

And may we all have a happy and peaceful Pesach.

Sylvia Kaye (originally Kosakofski)
Israel (formerly >from London)
Searching:
DRUKER: Galicia; KOSAKOFSKI, Kiev HYAMS: Kilburn, London
BITTAN, HARRIS: London, East End BUCHHALTER: Siret, Austria
FEITELSON: Romania ROZMANN: Mihaileni, Roumania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching WESTENZWEIG in USA #general

Sylvia Kaye <sylk@...>
 

Dear Group,

Is there anyone out there who knows anything about a Harry or Benjamin
WESTENZWEIG.

from various US sources I've discovered the following:
Harry married Ester DRUKER (both immigrated to the US around 1907)
in NY approx. 1917/18.

Ester (b. approx. 1897, died 1982) & Harry (b.aprox 1896) were
living in NY in 1920 and 1930, and had at least 2 children (Benjamin, b. 1918,
Yetta, b.1920).

Ester's mother (Becki/Golda/Manie) lived with them in 1920, but not
in 1930 (if she is who I think she is, then she died in a fire between
those two dates).

Benjamin died in 2003.

If any of the above is familiar to you, please contact me.
I believe that Benjamin was my father-in-law's first cousin.
Esther and her sister, Yetta,lost contact after their mother died.

Thank you for any help you can offer!

And may we all have a happy and peaceful Pesach.

Sylvia Kaye (originally Kosakofski)
Israel (formerly >from London)
Searching:
DRUKER: Galicia; KOSAKOFSKI, Kiev HYAMS: Kilburn, London
BITTAN, HARRIS: London, East End BUCHHALTER: Siret, Austria
FEITELSON: Romania ROZMANN: Mihaileni, Roumania


Alsace Lorraine?!? #usa

Judy Landauer <geniegal@...>
 

Dear List,
I need some advice on my LANDAUER line. I have been working on this
line for several years and was able to trace my line >from Canton,
Fulton Co., Illinois, USA, to the town of Gerabronn, Wurtemburg,
Germany, but recently a great aunt says that her father told her the
family was >from Alsace Lorraine! My mother in law said the same thing
but all the information I have been able to find says Gerabronn.

For example:

My husband's gggrandfather, Moses LANDAUER, emigrated, he says in the
federal census, in 1854. The Moses LANDAUER that lived in Gerabronn
filled out his Wurtemburg Emigration papers in 1853, which means that
an emigration date of 1854 would fit nicely. I have Moses' signature
from the WEI papers, which match his signature on paperwork for his
second marriage in Illinois. The Illinois Moses' birthday is Nov 1836
and the Moses that lived in Gerabronn's birthday is 15 Nov 1836. It
all seems to match so well!!

The Jewish family register in Stutgart says that the Jewish LANDAUER
family lived in Gerabronn for generations and gives the names and dates
for my ancestors back to 1743.

What can I say to my 78 year old great aunt? Was Alsace Loraine ever
part of Wurtemberg? Years ago I met a LANDAUER researcher that also
said his LANDAUER gggrandmother was >from France. Except for that, she
would be a perfect match for being a sister to the Gerabronn MOSES. I
have briefly looked into Alsace Loraine, but haven't found where it was
THAT close to Gerabronn. Any ideas would be appreciated.

Richard & Judy Landauer geniegal@g14.myrf.net AIM: judylandauer


Helkat Mehokek - Index of Mt of Olives cemetery, Jerusalem. #general

Jeremy Goldbloom <j.goldbloom@...>
 

Has anybody seen this publication advertised on the Israel Genealogical Soc
website? It came out for the 2004 IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem. I would
like to know more about the format - book or electronic, searchable?
Supposedly it is a translated index of 8000 Hebrew inscriptions for years
1740-1906 for the Mount of Olives cemetery. How does one get access to it
or buy a copy?

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


Early American SIG #USA Alsace Lorraine?!? #usa

Judy Landauer <geniegal@...>
 

Dear List,
I need some advice on my LANDAUER line. I have been working on this
line for several years and was able to trace my line >from Canton,
Fulton Co., Illinois, USA, to the town of Gerabronn, Wurtemburg,
Germany, but recently a great aunt says that her father told her the
family was >from Alsace Lorraine! My mother in law said the same thing
but all the information I have been able to find says Gerabronn.

For example:

My husband's gggrandfather, Moses LANDAUER, emigrated, he says in the
federal census, in 1854. The Moses LANDAUER that lived in Gerabronn
filled out his Wurtemburg Emigration papers in 1853, which means that
an emigration date of 1854 would fit nicely. I have Moses' signature
from the WEI papers, which match his signature on paperwork for his
second marriage in Illinois. The Illinois Moses' birthday is Nov 1836
and the Moses that lived in Gerabronn's birthday is 15 Nov 1836. It
all seems to match so well!!

The Jewish family register in Stutgart says that the Jewish LANDAUER
family lived in Gerabronn for generations and gives the names and dates
for my ancestors back to 1743.

What can I say to my 78 year old great aunt? Was Alsace Loraine ever
part of Wurtemberg? Years ago I met a LANDAUER researcher that also
said his LANDAUER gggrandmother was >from France. Except for that, she
would be a perfect match for being a sister to the Gerabronn MOSES. I
have briefly looked into Alsace Loraine, but haven't found where it was
THAT close to Gerabronn. Any ideas would be appreciated.

Richard & Judy Landauer geniegal@g14.myrf.net AIM: judylandauer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Helkat Mehokek - Index of Mt of Olives cemetery, Jerusalem. #general

Jeremy Goldbloom <j.goldbloom@...>
 

Has anybody seen this publication advertised on the Israel Genealogical Soc
website? It came out for the 2004 IAJGS Conference in Jerusalem. I would
like to know more about the format - book or electronic, searchable?
Supposedly it is a translated index of 8000 Hebrew inscriptions for years
1740-1906 for the Mount of Olives cemetery. How does one get access to it
or buy a copy?

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


Re: Eta TOFFEL - Yiddish theater in NYC #general

Yehuda Berman <ybberman@...>
 

Mark and Etta Markov eventually settled down in Bulawayo, Rhodesia (now
Zimbabwe) and went into business. Mark was one of the “unterfirers” at my
wedding at Bulawayo’s Orthodox Jewish synagogue in September 1970. I don’t
know when exactly they died but they are almost certainly buried in
Bulawayo. They had no children.

There are only a few hundred Jews left in Zimbabwe; the Bulawayo synagogue
burnt down last year. However, my parents-in-law knew Etta and Mark very
well >from Rhodesia. If you contact me privately I’ll give you their phone
number and address in Israel.

Yehuda Berman
Efrat, Israel

A member asked if anyone has knowledge of Eta TOFFEL (spelling may not be
correct), who was apparently involved in the Yiddish Theater in NYC?
Hopefully, knowing her married name will help to determine if a family
relationship truly exists.

Dr. Nahma Sandrow, in her book "Vagabond Stars", has two references to Etta
Toffel. In London, during World War 2, Etta and her husband, the Russian
Yiddish actor Mark Markov, went to a shelter during a bombing raid.
Crowded with around 400 people, costumes and settings were improvised and,
along with others, they performed a show to pass the time. Markov and
Toffel also gave performances throughout London and the provinces during the
war years.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Eta TOFFEL - Yiddish theater in NYC #general

Yehuda Berman <ybberman@...>
 

Mark and Etta Markov eventually settled down in Bulawayo, Rhodesia (now
Zimbabwe) and went into business. Mark was one of the “unterfirers” at my
wedding at Bulawayo’s Orthodox Jewish synagogue in September 1970. I don’t
know when exactly they died but they are almost certainly buried in
Bulawayo. They had no children.

There are only a few hundred Jews left in Zimbabwe; the Bulawayo synagogue
burnt down last year. However, my parents-in-law knew Etta and Mark very
well >from Rhodesia. If you contact me privately I’ll give you their phone
number and address in Israel.

Yehuda Berman
Efrat, Israel

A member asked if anyone has knowledge of Eta TOFFEL (spelling may not be
correct), who was apparently involved in the Yiddish Theater in NYC?
Hopefully, knowing her married name will help to determine if a family
relationship truly exists.

Dr. Nahma Sandrow, in her book "Vagabond Stars", has two references to Etta
Toffel. In London, during World War 2, Etta and her husband, the Russian
Yiddish actor Mark Markov, went to a shelter during a bombing raid.
Crowded with around 400 people, costumes and settings were improvised and,
along with others, they performed a show to pass the time. Markov and
Toffel also gave performances throughout London and the provinces during the
war years.


Need help with location of German towns #germany

Hanna K. Grossman <hannakg@...>
 

I found that my family tree includes a number of German towns for which
I cannot find the state, as I can find them neither in Stetl Seeker,
the german zip site, nor a map. Any help will be appreciated. They are:

Berlichingen
Muehlingen
Weidenreich
Affraitrach
Mingolsheim
Essen an der Ruhr

The first five(>from the family context) I expect are in
Baden-Wuerttemberg, but I would like to know in which of those two they
were before they were combined.

In addition, I have made some guesses withthe help of Stetl seeker and
a map for the following, but would be grateful to be surer of that
guess:

Lehrenseinsfeld, Wuerttemberg
Kuppenheim, Baden
Sasbachwalden, Baden
Leutershausen, Wuerttemberg
Neidenstein, Baden
Freudenthal, Baden
Wiesbach, Wuerttemberg
Bonfeld, Wuerttemberg Thanks as always,

Hanna Grossman, Cornwall, CT


German SIG #Germany Need help with location of German towns #germany

Hanna K. Grossman <hannakg@...>
 

I found that my family tree includes a number of German towns for which
I cannot find the state, as I can find them neither in Stetl Seeker,
the german zip site, nor a map. Any help will be appreciated. They are:

Berlichingen
Muehlingen
Weidenreich
Affraitrach
Mingolsheim
Essen an der Ruhr

The first five(>from the family context) I expect are in
Baden-Wuerttemberg, but I would like to know in which of those two they
were before they were combined.

In addition, I have made some guesses withthe help of Stetl seeker and
a map for the following, but would be grateful to be surer of that
guess:

Lehrenseinsfeld, Wuerttemberg
Kuppenheim, Baden
Sasbachwalden, Baden
Leutershausen, Wuerttemberg
Neidenstein, Baden
Freudenthal, Baden
Wiesbach, Wuerttemberg
Bonfeld, Wuerttemberg Thanks as always,

Hanna Grossman, Cornwall, CT


Re: odd Yiddish passage #general

Wayne N. Frankel <wnf@...>
 

Thanks to all of your replies answering to my perhaps not-so-odd
Yiddish passage.

I'm all set now with this one!

Looks like I had too much imagination and too little vocabulary. I
see now that Agenitste = a genitste = a used. I appreciate your
help, regardless.

Wayne Frankel
Bar Harbor, ME

Subject: odd Yiddish passage
From: "Wayne N. Frankel" <wnf@jax.org>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 05:09:55 -0400
Dear Genners,

I have an odd passage that I am having trouble understanding in a
Yiddish letter dated June 1939 >from Zambrow, Poland to Brooklyn, NY,
USA. It follows a passage about a mundane family issue, and precedes
the end where endless greetings are given ("Agrus fun mayne


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: odd Yiddish passage #general

Wayne N. Frankel <wnf@...>
 

Thanks to all of your replies answering to my perhaps not-so-odd
Yiddish passage.

I'm all set now with this one!

Looks like I had too much imagination and too little vocabulary. I
see now that Agenitste = a genitste = a used. I appreciate your
help, regardless.

Wayne Frankel
Bar Harbor, ME

Subject: odd Yiddish passage
From: "Wayne N. Frankel" <wnf@jax.org>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 05:09:55 -0400
Dear Genners,

I have an odd passage that I am having trouble understanding in a
Yiddish letter dated June 1939 >from Zambrow, Poland to Brooklyn, NY,
USA. It follows a passage about a mundane family issue, and precedes
the end where endless greetings are given ("Agrus fun mayne