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Manchester, England #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

There is quite a bit available regarding the Jewish community in Manchester,
England. The Monty Dobkin monographs which have been mentioned previously, the
books by Bill Williams and others, and databases taken >from the business
directories, school records, and vital records, or in discussions about Manchester
on the JewishGen Digest. The JewishGen cemetery project and JewishGen Family
Finder also have information regarding Manchester. There is even a video which
shows the Blitz in Manchester during WWII which so changed the community.

All these things are available either at the Jewish Museum, the Local History
Section of the Manchester Library, the Jewish Genealogy Society of Manchester, or
on-line on JewishGen to name a few places.

Use your JewishGen search engine and plug in Manchester, England, or use your
general search engine for the Internet and plug in Manchester and Jews or Jewry
and see what pops up. In addition, there are loads of former Mancunians in Israel
that you could chat with and who might have information.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


1880 Galician Documents (Surnames) #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

I am looking for copies of documents, which would have been written just before
1880 concerning the taking surnames in the Jewish community. Most likely they
would have been found in Lwow. If you have one of these documents or know about
them, please contact me privately.
Gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca


I Finally Found The Right Isadore Rakoff Brother To David #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All:
I called the New Montefiore Cemetery in New Jersey. The son Ben Rakoff is buried
there, so I assumed the father would be too. Eureka!!, I found him and got his
death date. Isadore Rakoff died 6/14/1938 at age 50.

So that would make him born about 1888. He would have been born in Russia possibly
Minsk. He was first married to Bernice Wolfson and had four kids with her before
coming to America and remarrying. The four kids born in Russia were Sonia, Samuel,
Ben & Helen.

My next step is to fins an obit for Isadore and order his death record. Now I have
to find a new home for the previous death record I ordered on a Isadore Rakoff who
died in 1971, but is not the one I was looking for. So now I have finally ruled it
out.

So if anyone has a Rakoff, Isadore in their family tree married to a Rosa Sachs
who had three kids Adele, Alan, & Shirley and would like the death record please
contact me. All I will ask is for the $15.00 that I paid for the record.

I am just so happy that I finally found the brother.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Manchester, England #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

There is quite a bit available regarding the Jewish community in Manchester,
England. The Monty Dobkin monographs which have been mentioned previously, the
books by Bill Williams and others, and databases taken >from the business
directories, school records, and vital records, or in discussions about Manchester
on the JewishGen Digest. The JewishGen cemetery project and JewishGen Family
Finder also have information regarding Manchester. There is even a video which
shows the Blitz in Manchester during WWII which so changed the community.

All these things are available either at the Jewish Museum, the Local History
Section of the Manchester Library, the Jewish Genealogy Society of Manchester, or
on-line on JewishGen to name a few places.

Use your JewishGen search engine and plug in Manchester, England, or use your
general search engine for the Internet and plug in Manchester and Jews or Jewry
and see what pops up. In addition, there are loads of former Mancunians in Israel
that you could chat with and who might have information.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1880 Galician Documents (Surnames) #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

I am looking for copies of documents, which would have been written just before
1880 concerning the taking surnames in the Jewish community. Most likely they
would have been found in Lwow. If you have one of these documents or know about
them, please contact me privately.
Gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen I Finally Found The Right Isadore Rakoff Brother To David #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All:
I called the New Montefiore Cemetery in New Jersey. The son Ben Rakoff is buried
there, so I assumed the father would be too. Eureka!!, I found him and got his
death date. Isadore Rakoff died 6/14/1938 at age 50.

So that would make him born about 1888. He would have been born in Russia possibly
Minsk. He was first married to Bernice Wolfson and had four kids with her before
coming to America and remarrying. The four kids born in Russia were Sonia, Samuel,
Ben & Helen.

My next step is to fins an obit for Isadore and order his death record. Now I have
to find a new home for the previous death record I ordered on a Isadore Rakoff who
died in 1971, but is not the one I was looking for. So now I have finally ruled it
out.

So if anyone has a Rakoff, Isadore in their family tree married to a Rosa Sachs
who had three kids Adele, Alan, & Shirley and would like the death record please
contact me. All I will ask is for the $15.00 that I paid for the record.

I am just so happy that I finally found the brother.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


Shoah- New Dutch Website #general

hennynow
 

Further to Bertha van Dam's and Irene's messages regarding the Dutch site, let me
point out that the web site is in Dutch, which may be a problem for many Genners.
As I know Dutch, I'd like to offer my services at no charge to anyone wishing to
research http://www.joodsmonument.nl.

What I like about the site, despite occasional errors, is that it gives residence
addresses. As for mistakes, the webmaster/mistress specifically acknowledges this
possibility and asks readers' help in supplying additional information. I found
it interesting that major funding for the site is supplied by reparations.

Cordially,
Henny

Henriette Moëd Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shoah- New Dutch Website #general

hennynow
 

Further to Bertha van Dam's and Irene's messages regarding the Dutch site, let me
point out that the web site is in Dutch, which may be a problem for many Genners.
As I know Dutch, I'd like to offer my services at no charge to anyone wishing to
research http://www.joodsmonument.nl.

What I like about the site, despite occasional errors, is that it gives residence
addresses. As for mistakes, the webmaster/mistress specifically acknowledges this
possibility and asks readers' help in supplying additional information. I found
it interesting that major funding for the site is supplied by reparations.

Cordially,
Henny

Henriette Moëd Roth
Los Angeles, California
hennynow@pacbell.net


San Francisco Bay Area JGS meeting 5/15/05 #general

Jerry acobson <drjjsf@...>
 

San Francisco Meeting

Topic: Napa Valley Jewish History
Speakers: Zoe Kahn and Donna Mendelsohn
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2005
Time: Program begins at 2:00 PM
Where: Jewish Community High School
1835 Ellis Street
San Francisco, CA
Free parking: Enter on Pierce Street
Admission: Free

Did you know that there were early Jewish Settlers in the Napa Valley? The
co-chairs of the Jewish Historical Society of Napa Valley will give us insights
into their lives tell us how the Jewish community evolved.

Jerry Jacobson
reply to drjjsf@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen San Francisco Bay Area JGS meeting 5/15/05 #general

Jerry acobson <drjjsf@...>
 

San Francisco Meeting

Topic: Napa Valley Jewish History
Speakers: Zoe Kahn and Donna Mendelsohn
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2005
Time: Program begins at 2:00 PM
Where: Jewish Community High School
1835 Ellis Street
San Francisco, CA
Free parking: Enter on Pierce Street
Admission: Free

Did you know that there were early Jewish Settlers in the Napa Valley? The
co-chairs of the Jewish Historical Society of Napa Valley will give us insights
into their lives tell us how the Jewish community evolved.

Jerry Jacobson
reply to drjjsf@aol.com


May 16th - Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles Program #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles Announces:

Our next meeting will be on Monday May 16, at the Skirball Cultural Center, Los
Angeles, California

Pre-Meeting Lecture: 7:00 p.m.

"The Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names: How to Use Yad Vashem Online
Resources in Family Research"

Last November, an extraordinary database made its appearance online, containing
records of the millions of people who perished during WWII-as well as those who
survived. This tutorial will explain how to navigate the Yad Vashem database to
learn the fate of Eastern-European ancestors. Methods and strategies of analyzing
the information provided in the "Pages of Testimony" to locate previously unknown
or missing relatives will also be covered.

Speaker: Ann Harris, Board Member, JGSLA

Main Program - 7:30PM

"Genealogy by Genetics: Jewish History and DNA "

When there are no records and the paper trail dead ends, Family-Tree DNA -
America's first genealogy-driven DNA testing service - offers a revolutionary
strategy to establish familial connectivity. Created for serious amateurs and
professional genealogists who wish to extend their family trees, these tests can
confirm a link where no conventional records exist. Using a 12-marker test,
relationships can be determined over a period in excess of a few thousand years
and common ancestors determined. Bennett Greenspan, founder and CEO, will
elaborate on how testing works--options and costs--as well as how to initiate
surname-based family tree reconstruction projects and confirm Cohanim lineage.

Speaker: Bennett Greenspan, President and CEO, Family Tree-DNA

An entrepreneur and life-long genealogy enthusiast, Mr. Greenspan founded Family
Tree DNA in 2000, turning a hobby into a full-time vocation. His interest in
genealogy, and failure to solve a paper trail roadblock, were the motivating
forces in creating his company. Family Tree-DNA is now partnered with JewishGen in
the "Surname/DNA Project," enabling researchers to tap into the largest and most
comprehensive of DNA results to re-unite unconnected branches on their "same
surname" tree.

The Skirball Cultural Center is located at: 2701 North Sepulveda Blvd. Los
Angeles, CA - This program is open to the public and free of charge.

6:30PM - Traveling Library available
7:00PM - Pre-Meeting lecture
7:30PM - Main Meeting

For additional information, go to the JGSLA website: http://www.jgsla.org

Pamela Weisberger
1st V.P. Programs. JGSLA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen May 16th - Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles Program #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles Announces:

Our next meeting will be on Monday May 16, at the Skirball Cultural Center, Los
Angeles, California

Pre-Meeting Lecture: 7:00 p.m.

"The Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names: How to Use Yad Vashem Online
Resources in Family Research"

Last November, an extraordinary database made its appearance online, containing
records of the millions of people who perished during WWII-as well as those who
survived. This tutorial will explain how to navigate the Yad Vashem database to
learn the fate of Eastern-European ancestors. Methods and strategies of analyzing
the information provided in the "Pages of Testimony" to locate previously unknown
or missing relatives will also be covered.

Speaker: Ann Harris, Board Member, JGSLA

Main Program - 7:30PM

"Genealogy by Genetics: Jewish History and DNA "

When there are no records and the paper trail dead ends, Family-Tree DNA -
America's first genealogy-driven DNA testing service - offers a revolutionary
strategy to establish familial connectivity. Created for serious amateurs and
professional genealogists who wish to extend their family trees, these tests can
confirm a link where no conventional records exist. Using a 12-marker test,
relationships can be determined over a period in excess of a few thousand years
and common ancestors determined. Bennett Greenspan, founder and CEO, will
elaborate on how testing works--options and costs--as well as how to initiate
surname-based family tree reconstruction projects and confirm Cohanim lineage.

Speaker: Bennett Greenspan, President and CEO, Family Tree-DNA

An entrepreneur and life-long genealogy enthusiast, Mr. Greenspan founded Family
Tree DNA in 2000, turning a hobby into a full-time vocation. His interest in
genealogy, and failure to solve a paper trail roadblock, were the motivating
forces in creating his company. Family Tree-DNA is now partnered with JewishGen in
the "Surname/DNA Project," enabling researchers to tap into the largest and most
comprehensive of DNA results to re-unite unconnected branches on their "same
surname" tree.

The Skirball Cultural Center is located at: 2701 North Sepulveda Blvd. Los
Angeles, CA - This program is open to the public and free of charge.

6:30PM - Traveling Library available
7:00PM - Pre-Meeting lecture
7:30PM - Main Meeting

For additional information, go to the JGSLA website: http://www.jgsla.org

Pamela Weisberger
1st V.P. Programs. JGSLA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Family names #belarus

dotvic <dotvic@...>
 

It's not bad enough to have several different spellings of a name. I also
have different names.

My HIRSOHN/HUSHIN/HURSHIM/CHUSIN/HURSHIN family was originally
MAISEL/MEISEL. They came >from Drissa/Wilifilza (which cannot be found) in
Belarus to Riga, Latvia. The name was changed so that the H's could run a
tavern. The story goes they bought a gentile's name, MAISEL/MEISAL, so the
govt. would give them a license.

Can anyone help me to go forward with TOO much information? I can't find
any of the names at Ellis Island. My researcher in Latvia found information
under the name of HUSIN.

Dorothy AUERBAACH Rivers
Tucson, Arizona

AVRBUCH - Polotsk; Polock, Belarus; LOJACK - Riga, Latvia;, BERGSTEIN -
Ulanow, Poland; MOHRER/MAURER - Mielic, Poland; FASS - Tyczyn, Rzessow,
Poland; KATZ - Tyczyn, Poland; FELDMAN - Rzessow, Poland


Belarus SIG #Belarus Family names #belarus

dotvic <dotvic@...>
 

It's not bad enough to have several different spellings of a name. I also
have different names.

My HIRSOHN/HUSHIN/HURSHIM/CHUSIN/HURSHIN family was originally
MAISEL/MEISEL. They came >from Drissa/Wilifilza (which cannot be found) in
Belarus to Riga, Latvia. The name was changed so that the H's could run a
tavern. The story goes they bought a gentile's name, MAISEL/MEISAL, so the
govt. would give them a license.

Can anyone help me to go forward with TOO much information? I can't find
any of the names at Ellis Island. My researcher in Latvia found information
under the name of HUSIN.

Dorothy AUERBAACH Rivers
Tucson, Arizona

AVRBUCH - Polotsk; Polock, Belarus; LOJACK - Riga, Latvia;, BERGSTEIN -
Ulanow, Poland; MOHRER/MAURER - Mielic, Poland; FASS - Tyczyn, Rzessow,
Poland; KATZ - Tyczyn, Poland; FELDMAN - Rzessow, Poland


Re: Sephardim in Belarus #belarus

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

There are several points to discuss in Jacqueline's message.

First, if any genealogist/scientist announces a project to
develop a time-travel machine, everyone will contribute. Five
minutes back in time could answer a lot of questions, no matter
the cost! Without such a machine, we depend on tradition, history
and research.

1. Even those Jewish families of Sephardic origin in Belarus
spoke Yiddish. As the generations progressed, all that remained
was a tradition of origin. As only one example, although I have
discovered a small group of Sephardic origin names in the Mogilev
area, this was just a drop in the bucket of the large pre-war
Jewish population in that city and environs. They lived within
the general Jewish population and spoke the same languages, while
communicating through the generations limited information on
their origin. In reality, they were Yiddish-speaking Ashkenazim
with a tradition of Sephardic origin, who had intermarried with
the general Ashkenazi population.

2. Historical events impacted Jews. I too have photographs of
relatives (direct descendants and those married in) who look
decidely Central Asian. As just one historical possibility,
remember the Mongols invaded large areas where Jews lived,
pillaging and transferring DNA. Unfortunately, looking ethnic or
exotic may not mean much. Without a name or family history, a
tradition, something to hook your research onto, you'll have a
problem.
My mother, with olive skin and dark hair, was always mistaken for
Greek or Spanish. When my father (family >from Riga, Latvia) took
her home to meet his family, his parents were angry and wanted to
know why he had brought home a non-Jewish girl. At that time,
although everyone had heard that "Talalay was our name when we
left Spain," no one believed it. They laughed about it, but still
passed it on through the generations. When my sister was very
young and wore her hair in braids, people would stop my mother
and ask where the little Indian girl came >from (long before the
more politically-correct tern Native American).

3. People changed their family names for many reasons, including
"fitting in" with those among whom they lived. Spanish Jews in
Italy changed names to Italian formats, translated Spanish and
Hebrew names into German, and in the Russian Empire took Russian
name endings or translated names again. These are just SOME
possibilities, sometimes they kept the original names. Entire
books have been written on this subject.

4. A well-known Minsk archive researcher told me several years
ago that he had seen records there of 17th century Persian Jews.
Maybe they stayed, maybe they returned home. The records didn't
say, the possibilities remain.

So, where is that time machine when we really need it?

Best wishes
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net

Subject: Sephardim in Belarus
From: "Jacqueline" <cochavim@bezeqint.net>
She looks as if she came >from Uzbekistan. I agree, although she
spoke Yiddish, and
when I knew her I always thought she looked like Ashkenazi. I
believe that Sephardi
Jews, when they settled in Europe took Ashkenazi surnames. When
did this happen and is it possible to trace the family that far
back? I know very few details about her parents.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Sephardim in Belarus #belarus

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

There are several points to discuss in Jacqueline's message.

First, if any genealogist/scientist announces a project to
develop a time-travel machine, everyone will contribute. Five
minutes back in time could answer a lot of questions, no matter
the cost! Without such a machine, we depend on tradition, history
and research.

1. Even those Jewish families of Sephardic origin in Belarus
spoke Yiddish. As the generations progressed, all that remained
was a tradition of origin. As only one example, although I have
discovered a small group of Sephardic origin names in the Mogilev
area, this was just a drop in the bucket of the large pre-war
Jewish population in that city and environs. They lived within
the general Jewish population and spoke the same languages, while
communicating through the generations limited information on
their origin. In reality, they were Yiddish-speaking Ashkenazim
with a tradition of Sephardic origin, who had intermarried with
the general Ashkenazi population.

2. Historical events impacted Jews. I too have photographs of
relatives (direct descendants and those married in) who look
decidely Central Asian. As just one historical possibility,
remember the Mongols invaded large areas where Jews lived,
pillaging and transferring DNA. Unfortunately, looking ethnic or
exotic may not mean much. Without a name or family history, a
tradition, something to hook your research onto, you'll have a
problem.
My mother, with olive skin and dark hair, was always mistaken for
Greek or Spanish. When my father (family >from Riga, Latvia) took
her home to meet his family, his parents were angry and wanted to
know why he had brought home a non-Jewish girl. At that time,
although everyone had heard that "Talalay was our name when we
left Spain," no one believed it. They laughed about it, but still
passed it on through the generations. When my sister was very
young and wore her hair in braids, people would stop my mother
and ask where the little Indian girl came >from (long before the
more politically-correct tern Native American).

3. People changed their family names for many reasons, including
"fitting in" with those among whom they lived. Spanish Jews in
Italy changed names to Italian formats, translated Spanish and
Hebrew names into German, and in the Russian Empire took Russian
name endings or translated names again. These are just SOME
possibilities, sometimes they kept the original names. Entire
books have been written on this subject.

4. A well-known Minsk archive researcher told me several years
ago that he had seen records there of 17th century Persian Jews.
Maybe they stayed, maybe they returned home. The records didn't
say, the possibilities remain.

So, where is that time machine when we really need it?

Best wishes
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net

Subject: Sephardim in Belarus
From: "Jacqueline" <cochavim@bezeqint.net>
She looks as if she came >from Uzbekistan. I agree, although she
spoke Yiddish, and
when I knew her I always thought she looked like Ashkenazi. I
believe that Sephardi
Jews, when they settled in Europe took Ashkenazi surnames. When
did this happen and is it possible to trace the family that far
back? I know very few details about her parents.


BACHRACH and SCHNURMACHER from Vienna #austria-czech

Paul Posthumus <paul_posthumus@...>
 

Dear group,

I'm new to this group and i hope you can help me.

The ggf of my wife is Zsigmond SANDOR, born in Vienna 1872, son of Maria
BACHRACH and Unknown SCHNURMACHER.

Unknown Schnurmacher changed the familyname to Sandor, so Zsigmond Sandor
was probably born as Sigmund Schnurmacher.

Zsigmond married Hermine EPPINGER, probably in Budapest. In Budapest they
had a son Istvan in 1903. They moved to Zalaegerszeg and had 3 more
children: Ervin (19??), Julianna (Jutzi) (1910) and Karolina (Lenka) (1911).
Zsigmond, Hermine, Istvan and Julianna died in the Shoah.

I would like to know if somebody knows anything about the BACHRACH and
SCHNURMACHER/SANDOR families. Siblings of Zsigmond? Dates of birth and dead
of Maria and Unknown? The names of their parents? The name of Unknown? Etc.

Regards,
Paul Posthumus and Judith Federer

Researching: FEDERER (Janoshaza), GESTETNER (Csorna), EISENSTADT
(Burgenland), SANDOR/SCHNURMACHER (Budapest/Vienna/Zalaegerszeg), BACHRACH
(Vienna), EPPINGER (Budapest), KALMAN (Budapest)


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech BACHRACH and SCHNURMACHER from Vienna #austria-czech

Paul Posthumus <paul_posthumus@...>
 

Dear group,

I'm new to this group and i hope you can help me.

The ggf of my wife is Zsigmond SANDOR, born in Vienna 1872, son of Maria
BACHRACH and Unknown SCHNURMACHER.

Unknown Schnurmacher changed the familyname to Sandor, so Zsigmond Sandor
was probably born as Sigmund Schnurmacher.

Zsigmond married Hermine EPPINGER, probably in Budapest. In Budapest they
had a son Istvan in 1903. They moved to Zalaegerszeg and had 3 more
children: Ervin (19??), Julianna (Jutzi) (1910) and Karolina (Lenka) (1911).
Zsigmond, Hermine, Istvan and Julianna died in the Shoah.

I would like to know if somebody knows anything about the BACHRACH and
SCHNURMACHER/SANDOR families. Siblings of Zsigmond? Dates of birth and dead
of Maria and Unknown? The names of their parents? The name of Unknown? Etc.

Regards,
Paul Posthumus and Judith Federer

Researching: FEDERER (Janoshaza), GESTETNER (Csorna), EISENSTADT
(Burgenland), SANDOR/SCHNURMACHER (Budapest/Vienna/Zalaegerszeg), BACHRACH
(Vienna), EPPINGER (Budapest), KALMAN (Budapest)


JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island invites you to attend our Sunday, May
22 meeting.

Time: 2:00 PM promptly
Special Place: Temple Beth Sholom 401 Roslyn Road Roslyn Heights, New York

Our guest speaker is Joyce Field, Jewishgen's Vice President for Resarch and
Manager of the Jewishgen Yizkor Book Project. Joyce will about the role of yizkor
books for Jews seeking to learn more about the history and culture of their
ancestral shtetls. She will also discuss the Jewishgen Online Worldwide Burial
Registry.

Our meeting will be held at Temple Beth Sholom as part of its celebration of 350
years of American Judaism. The day (10 a.m - 6 p.m) will also feature:

historical re-enactments and multi-media exhibits
a JGSLI display on Jewish genealogy
a Lower East Side Judaica Market
documentaries and full-length movies

For more information please contact rhoda, rmiller871@aol.com . You may also
contact Temple Shalom 516-621-2288.

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island invites you to attend our Sunday, May
22 meeting.

Time: 2:00 PM promptly
Special Place: Temple Beth Sholom 401 Roslyn Road Roslyn Heights, New York

Our guest speaker is Joyce Field, Jewishgen's Vice President for Resarch and
Manager of the Jewishgen Yizkor Book Project. Joyce will about the role of yizkor
books for Jews seeking to learn more about the history and culture of their
ancestral shtetls. She will also discuss the Jewishgen Online Worldwide Burial
Registry.

Our meeting will be held at Temple Beth Sholom as part of its celebration of 350
years of American Judaism. The day (10 a.m - 6 p.m) will also feature:

historical re-enactments and multi-media exhibits
a JGSLI display on Jewish genealogy
a Lower East Side Judaica Market
documentaries and full-length movies

For more information please contact rhoda, rmiller871@aol.com . You may also
contact Temple Shalom 516-621-2288.

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President