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Re: Discussion about vital records rules #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

Dear Suzan, Alexander, and all Galitzianers:

Suzan has clarified the Austrian Government rules that pertained to
recording vital records and how the registrar was to record legitimate
and illegitimate births. They are very specific.

I do not think there is any inconsistency in Suzan's and my discussion.

I just want those who obtain these records directly >from the Archives or
through the JRI-Poland order system to understand that the record you
will see may not be consistent with the rules. In my experience, having
reviewed thousands of records for many towns in eastern Galicia -- now
Ukraine, the recording of birth records varies considerably.

In my experience, the majority of birth records before 1877 did not even
record the legitimacy status correctly. Starting in 1877 when the forms
for recording Jewish vital records were standardized, the legitimacy
status is entered correctly, but the handling of the child's surname and
the recording of the father's information appears to have been decided
by the registrar, who I think was an official of the local Jewish
Community -- the Kehilla.

Both Suzan and Alexander Sharon have questioned the quality of the
indices that are prepared by Archivists at the Archive branch for
JRI-Poland. I cannot speak to the Brzozow indices, but I can talk about
the AGAD indices.

JRI-Poland has hired an Archivist at the AGAD Archive to work for
JRI-Poland in his non-work hours, to supervise the indexing of the
Galician Jewish vital records in the AGAD collection -- mainly records
from towns now in Ukraine. We have worked with this Archivist for almost
5 years. He has formed a team of Archivists to index the records. Our
supervisor controls the quality of the Archivists who index records for
JRI-Poland and has fired members of the indexing team who have not
performed adequately. He also personally reviews every index file
before it is distributed to JRI-Poland. When I receive the file, I also
review the file and ask questions about missing data when appropriate.

The indices are prepared in an Excel template that was designed by
JRI-Poland in accordance with instructions written by JRI-Poland and
translated to Polish. For example, JRI-Poland requires that the father's
name be recorded even if his name is listed in the Uwagi/Remarks column.
The original books are the source documents for all AGAD indexing, so if
a mistake is made it is usually in the interpretation of the original
handwriting.

I can assure all AGAD researchers that the indices are of the highest
quality, have been reviewed at least twice, and capture all the
information that is requested as part of the JRI-Poland template. If a
column for an index entry is blank, then no information of that kind was
present in the record.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator


----- Original Message -----
Thank you Suzan, for your post.

As I have mentioned earlier, the detailed record (s) shall be reviewed
to
check for any annotations or remarks when some information is missing
in the annual summary.

I am also not certain if AGAD personnel add any remarks (beside
assigned to them the standard spreadsheet columns) that may appear
on the documents.

And I agree with Suzan that there is urgent need for quality assurance
work performed by the indexers.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab
-----------------------------------
Suzan Wynne wrote:

I thought I would weigh in on the discussion about the variation in
the way that vital records were recorded. While I generally agree
with what Mark Halpern has said in this discussion, I have to correct
the record about one matter. In fact, the Austrian government published
procedural rules for the registrars to follow and they intended that
there
would be uniformity in the way that events were recorded. The rules are
quite precise. I summarized them in an article published about a year
ago
in The Galitzianer.

After 1877, the Austrian government designed the forms to be used in
Galicia. The forms changed slightly over time but, with each
change, they are uniform throughout the territory. I recently saw a
form
from Hungary for post 1877 and noted that there were differences but
I assume that it because Hungary had a much greater degree of autonomy
than Galicia.

For births: unless the parents were married in a mandated civil
ceremony, the registrar was to record the birth as illegitimate.
The father could be listed if he presented himself to the registrar and
acknowledged paternity in the company of two witnesses who would
support his claim. But, many registrars chose to handle those cases of
paternity by noting it in the last column for "remarks." As to whether
the
child would carry the name of the mother or the father in such cases,
the
rules were intended to be clear but they are fuzzy enough so that the
district registrar might have had some wiggle room to use discretion,
particularly in cases where the father formally acknowledged paternity.

I have observed that there must have been periods of time when the
government cracked down on enforcement of the rules about civil
marriage and paternity because suddenly, the fathers are missing
altogether
and the children carry the names of their mothers. I believe that there
must have been some variation in how individual registrars INTERPRETED
the rules and did their jobs, as well, but this is apart >from the issue
of whether
government policy existed.

I am just going over the JRI index >from Brzozow records. I find the
index to be rather badly done. I have found that marriage information
was
incorrectly presented so that the couples don't match up if you are
looking at the index numbers on the left (i.e., 167 for bride and
167 for groom). There is a great deal of missing information......Was
the
information missing >from the record? Was it not picked up by the
indexer? Did anyone do a quality check in Poland to ensure that the
resulting
index reflected what was in the records? The parents of the groom was
supposed to be in the record but it is missing >from the index in
many cases. The place of origin was supposed to be in the record but
it,
too, is missing. At this point, we don't know if the problem is with
the
record itself or the indexer.

Suzan Wynne
Kensington, MD


Re: Misie as Female Given Name - mystery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

HJB <hjb@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Sharon" <a.sharon@shaw.ca>

Consider the following:

There are 243 records for town Tysmieniczany listed in
JRI-Poland records.

With exception of three records listed in Bursztyn, and one
record listed in Rozdol for Tysmieniczany, all other 239
records ( thirty three in Kolomyja, three in Nadworna and 203
in Stanislawow) do not include child and father names.

What had happened in Tysmieniczany? Looks like a witch-hunt or
some kind of curse has declared all local women to be
illegitimately married.

I can understand that in few cases this can happened but not in
239 out of 243.

Is there a possibility to examine at least one original birth
record to check annotations made by the local scribe or
Stanislawow Rabbanut in order to resolve the mystery. Can you
please arrange this with AGAD folks?
I have requested perhaps 10-12 Galician documents to this point
in time. This is not enough for a definitive statement, but I
have discovered that the information on the JRI-Poland index is
not to be trusted. I've found dates listed there which weren't
the date of birth but the registration dates. I've found
information in the document which wasn't included in the index.
At this point one must spend the money and buy the copy of the
actual record to know if more information is available which
isn't shown on the index. I assumed that this was the point of
the missing or incorrect information.

Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Discussion about vital records rules #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

Dear Suzan, Alexander, and all Galitzianers:

Suzan has clarified the Austrian Government rules that pertained to
recording vital records and how the registrar was to record legitimate
and illegitimate births. They are very specific.

I do not think there is any inconsistency in Suzan's and my discussion.

I just want those who obtain these records directly >from the Archives or
through the JRI-Poland order system to understand that the record you
will see may not be consistent with the rules. In my experience, having
reviewed thousands of records for many towns in eastern Galicia -- now
Ukraine, the recording of birth records varies considerably.

In my experience, the majority of birth records before 1877 did not even
record the legitimacy status correctly. Starting in 1877 when the forms
for recording Jewish vital records were standardized, the legitimacy
status is entered correctly, but the handling of the child's surname and
the recording of the father's information appears to have been decided
by the registrar, who I think was an official of the local Jewish
Community -- the Kehilla.

Both Suzan and Alexander Sharon have questioned the quality of the
indices that are prepared by Archivists at the Archive branch for
JRI-Poland. I cannot speak to the Brzozow indices, but I can talk about
the AGAD indices.

JRI-Poland has hired an Archivist at the AGAD Archive to work for
JRI-Poland in his non-work hours, to supervise the indexing of the
Galician Jewish vital records in the AGAD collection -- mainly records
from towns now in Ukraine. We have worked with this Archivist for almost
5 years. He has formed a team of Archivists to index the records. Our
supervisor controls the quality of the Archivists who index records for
JRI-Poland and has fired members of the indexing team who have not
performed adequately. He also personally reviews every index file
before it is distributed to JRI-Poland. When I receive the file, I also
review the file and ask questions about missing data when appropriate.

The indices are prepared in an Excel template that was designed by
JRI-Poland in accordance with instructions written by JRI-Poland and
translated to Polish. For example, JRI-Poland requires that the father's
name be recorded even if his name is listed in the Uwagi/Remarks column.
The original books are the source documents for all AGAD indexing, so if
a mistake is made it is usually in the interpretation of the original
handwriting.

I can assure all AGAD researchers that the indices are of the highest
quality, have been reviewed at least twice, and capture all the
information that is requested as part of the JRI-Poland template. If a
column for an index entry is blank, then no information of that kind was
present in the record.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator


----- Original Message -----
Thank you Suzan, for your post.

As I have mentioned earlier, the detailed record (s) shall be reviewed
to
check for any annotations or remarks when some information is missing
in the annual summary.

I am also not certain if AGAD personnel add any remarks (beside
assigned to them the standard spreadsheet columns) that may appear
on the documents.

And I agree with Suzan that there is urgent need for quality assurance
work performed by the indexers.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab
-----------------------------------
Suzan Wynne wrote:

I thought I would weigh in on the discussion about the variation in
the way that vital records were recorded. While I generally agree
with what Mark Halpern has said in this discussion, I have to correct
the record about one matter. In fact, the Austrian government published
procedural rules for the registrars to follow and they intended that
there
would be uniformity in the way that events were recorded. The rules are
quite precise. I summarized them in an article published about a year
ago
in The Galitzianer.

After 1877, the Austrian government designed the forms to be used in
Galicia. The forms changed slightly over time but, with each
change, they are uniform throughout the territory. I recently saw a
form
from Hungary for post 1877 and noted that there were differences but
I assume that it because Hungary had a much greater degree of autonomy
than Galicia.

For births: unless the parents were married in a mandated civil
ceremony, the registrar was to record the birth as illegitimate.
The father could be listed if he presented himself to the registrar and
acknowledged paternity in the company of two witnesses who would
support his claim. But, many registrars chose to handle those cases of
paternity by noting it in the last column for "remarks." As to whether
the
child would carry the name of the mother or the father in such cases,
the
rules were intended to be clear but they are fuzzy enough so that the
district registrar might have had some wiggle room to use discretion,
particularly in cases where the father formally acknowledged paternity.

I have observed that there must have been periods of time when the
government cracked down on enforcement of the rules about civil
marriage and paternity because suddenly, the fathers are missing
altogether
and the children carry the names of their mothers. I believe that there
must have been some variation in how individual registrars INTERPRETED
the rules and did their jobs, as well, but this is apart >from the issue
of whether
government policy existed.

I am just going over the JRI index >from Brzozow records. I find the
index to be rather badly done. I have found that marriage information
was
incorrectly presented so that the couples don't match up if you are
looking at the index numbers on the left (i.e., 167 for bride and
167 for groom). There is a great deal of missing information......Was
the
information missing >from the record? Was it not picked up by the
indexer? Did anyone do a quality check in Poland to ensure that the
resulting
index reflected what was in the records? The parents of the groom was
supposed to be in the record but it is missing >from the index in
many cases. The place of origin was supposed to be in the record but
it,
too, is missing. At this point, we don't know if the problem is with
the
record itself or the indexer.

Suzan Wynne
Kensington, MD


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Re:Misie as Female Given Name - mystery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

HJB <hjb@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Sharon" <a.sharon@shaw.ca>

Consider the following:

There are 243 records for town Tysmieniczany listed in
JRI-Poland records.

With exception of three records listed in Bursztyn, and one
record listed in Rozdol for Tysmieniczany, all other 239
records ( thirty three in Kolomyja, three in Nadworna and 203
in Stanislawow) do not include child and father names.

What had happened in Tysmieniczany? Looks like a witch-hunt or
some kind of curse has declared all local women to be
illegitimately married.

I can understand that in few cases this can happened but not in
239 out of 243.

Is there a possibility to examine at least one original birth
record to check annotations made by the local scribe or
Stanislawow Rabbanut in order to resolve the mystery. Can you
please arrange this with AGAD folks?
I have requested perhaps 10-12 Galician documents to this point
in time. This is not enough for a definitive statement, but I
have discovered that the information on the JRI-Poland index is
not to be trusted. I've found dates listed there which weren't
the date of birth but the registration dates. I've found
information in the document which wasn't included in the index.
At this point one must spend the money and buy the copy of the
actual record to know if more information is available which
isn't shown on the index. I assumed that this was the point of
the missing or incorrect information.

Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada


JGS of Montreal, Next Meeting - May 16, 2005 #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

The JGS of Montreal, in association with the Jewish Public Library are pleased to
announce that Stanley Diamond & Alan Greenberg will speak to us on the Quebec
Jewish Vital Records & Canadian Naturalization records.

Paid members will be able to obtain vital records at the meeting

Mr. Diamond & Mr. Greenberg will also discuss the IAJGS Conference, Las Vegas,
July 10-16th
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The meeting will be held on
Monday, May 16th, 2005, 7:30 pm
Federation CJA Building, 4th floor
5151 Cote Ste-Catherine/1 Carré Cummings

All are welcome!
~~~~~~~~~~~
The next session of the JGS of Montreal's popular Sunday Morning Family Tree
Workshop will take place on:
Sunday, June 5, 2005
from 10am to 12 noon
Jewish Public Library
Greenberg Conference Room (downstairs)
For beginning & veteran genealogists alike!
An informal way to get one-on-one answers and help.
This meeting will be an open forum/discussion of your problems and successes. So,
bring your data and questions and let's see how we can help each other in doing
our family research. We often benefit >from hearing how others have discovered and
used various resources. You may hear just the bit of information you need to
find a missing piece of data. Bring your notes, paper and pencil.

Sometimes it can seem that no matter how much time and effort we put into a
research problem, we can't find the answer! Members who have a 'brick wall' can
describe it to the group, and receive feed-back and suggestions. Many times
others have wrestled with the same problem, and have found a solution. If you have
a brick wall to share please bring the details with you to the meeting.
----------------------------------------------------------
For all information on our upcoming meetings
& Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshops
JGS of Montreal Hotline, 24 hours a day
514-484-0969

Merle Kastner
JGS of Montreal, Programming
merlek@videotron.ca
JGS of Montreal home page:
http://www.gtrdata.com/jgs-montreal/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Montreal, Next Meeting - May 16, 2005 #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

The JGS of Montreal, in association with the Jewish Public Library are pleased to
announce that Stanley Diamond & Alan Greenberg will speak to us on the Quebec
Jewish Vital Records & Canadian Naturalization records.

Paid members will be able to obtain vital records at the meeting

Mr. Diamond & Mr. Greenberg will also discuss the IAJGS Conference, Las Vegas,
July 10-16th
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The meeting will be held on
Monday, May 16th, 2005, 7:30 pm
Federation CJA Building, 4th floor
5151 Cote Ste-Catherine/1 Carré Cummings

All are welcome!
~~~~~~~~~~~
The next session of the JGS of Montreal's popular Sunday Morning Family Tree
Workshop will take place on:
Sunday, June 5, 2005
from 10am to 12 noon
Jewish Public Library
Greenberg Conference Room (downstairs)
For beginning & veteran genealogists alike!
An informal way to get one-on-one answers and help.
This meeting will be an open forum/discussion of your problems and successes. So,
bring your data and questions and let's see how we can help each other in doing
our family research. We often benefit >from hearing how others have discovered and
used various resources. You may hear just the bit of information you need to
find a missing piece of data. Bring your notes, paper and pencil.

Sometimes it can seem that no matter how much time and effort we put into a
research problem, we can't find the answer! Members who have a 'brick wall' can
describe it to the group, and receive feed-back and suggestions. Many times
others have wrestled with the same problem, and have found a solution. If you have
a brick wall to share please bring the details with you to the meeting.
----------------------------------------------------------
For all information on our upcoming meetings
& Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshops
JGS of Montreal Hotline, 24 hours a day
514-484-0969

Merle Kastner
JGS of Montreal, Programming
merlek@videotron.ca
JGS of Montreal home page:
http://www.gtrdata.com/jgs-montreal/


Seeking: TORTEN, Lvov/Podhajce-University of Lvov #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Does anyone have information about the surname TORTEN >from Galicia....or
specifically:

Sarah TORTEN who was born between 1895 and 1900 in Podhajce or Lwow.

She went to the University of Lwow around 1920 to 1928 and studied chemistry (or
pharmacy) and most likely obtained a doctorate degree. She had two sisters who
also went to the University of Lwow. Both graduated as M.D.s.

The older named Ethel TORTEN was a student >from about 1916 till graduation.
In 1929 she moved to the USA and practiced medicine in New York for many years.

The younger named Chaja (Haya) graduated few years later and practiced medicine in
Podhajce till she was exterminated in the Holocaust. Her married name was KRESSEL.
Her husband and two children were killed in 1941. She continued in her medical
practice until 1944 and was killed on her way to Tarnopol.

I am researching on behalf of Sarah TORTEN's nephew, Michael Torten of Israel, who
is trying to discover his aunt's married name and her fate and the fate of her
children.

If this information (or surname and associated towns) sound familiar to anyone
please contact me privately. If you know of any student records that still exist
--or can be accessed-->from the University in Lvov--please share that information,
as that would be a useful genealogical resource for all.

Thank you!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com
***
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Seeking: Henia HOLZMAN #general

bogm@wp.pl <bogm@...>
 

I am looking for Henia HOLZMAN, born about 1928 in Warsaw (?), Poland.
She lived until 1954 in Dzierzoniow (near Wroclaw), Poland and mooved then to
Israel. She had two daughters: Niusia (married Henryk Binder)and Mirka.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Bogumila Misztal
***
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Looking for Julia GOOD, Cleveland, OH #general

Howard Orenstein
 

Dear Genners,
I am looking for Julia GOOD (Mrs. Roy GOOD), who was the daughter of Rachel ROBINS
of Cleveland (later Detroit, MI). I believe that she had 4 children. Rachel
ROBINS, who died in 1963, was the sister of my ggf, Fishel (Phillip) BLOOM.
Rachel also had a son named Sidney.

If you have any information on the whereabouts of the GOOD family, please contact
me privately.
Thank you.

Howard Orenstein
Westminster, MD

horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
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Searching for Mozes BLUMENBERG #general

Leslie Weinberg <artsoul@...>
 

Mozes BLUMENBERG was born in 1920 in Tyczyn, Poland and was last seen in Israel in
1945. Family here in the U.S. is trying to find him and any family he may have.
He may have gone to Russia after WWI to search for surviving relatives. Parents
were Hene (EISEN) Blumenberg and Jonas Blumenberg, grandparents on mother's side
were Schewa and Chaim Eisen. Please email me if you have any information.
Leslie Weinberg
***
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names and places of origin, they can always be added, but only **you** can keep
your own listings up to date.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking: TORTEN, Lvov/Podhajce-University of Lvov #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Does anyone have information about the surname TORTEN >from Galicia....or
specifically:

Sarah TORTEN who was born between 1895 and 1900 in Podhajce or Lwow.

She went to the University of Lwow around 1920 to 1928 and studied chemistry (or
pharmacy) and most likely obtained a doctorate degree. She had two sisters who
also went to the University of Lwow. Both graduated as M.D.s.

The older named Ethel TORTEN was a student >from about 1916 till graduation.
In 1929 she moved to the USA and practiced medicine in New York for many years.

The younger named Chaja (Haya) graduated few years later and practiced medicine in
Podhajce till she was exterminated in the Holocaust. Her married name was KRESSEL.
Her husband and two children were killed in 1941. She continued in her medical
practice until 1944 and was killed on her way to Tarnopol.

I am researching on behalf of Sarah TORTEN's nephew, Michael Torten of Israel, who
is trying to discover his aunt's married name and her fate and the fate of her
children.

If this information (or surname and associated towns) sound familiar to anyone
please contact me privately. If you know of any student records that still exist
--or can be accessed-->from the University in Lvov--please share that information,
as that would be a useful genealogical resource for all.

Thank you!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com
***
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking: Henia HOLZMAN #general

bogm@wp.pl <bogm@...>
 

I am looking for Henia HOLZMAN, born about 1928 in Warsaw (?), Poland.
She lived until 1954 in Dzierzoniow (near Wroclaw), Poland and mooved then to
Israel. She had two daughters: Niusia (married Henryk Binder)and Mirka.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Bogumila Misztal
***
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information for 8 researchers interested in HOLZMAN. You can search the JGFF and
enter your own surname search at http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Julia GOOD, Cleveland, OH #general

Howard Orenstein
 

Dear Genners,
I am looking for Julia GOOD (Mrs. Roy GOOD), who was the daughter of Rachel ROBINS
of Cleveland (later Detroit, MI). I believe that she had 4 children. Rachel
ROBINS, who died in 1963, was the sister of my ggf, Fishel (Phillip) BLOOM.
Rachel also had a son named Sidney.

If you have any information on the whereabouts of the GOOD family, please contact
me privately.
Thank you.

Howard Orenstein
Westminster, MD

horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
***
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Mozes BLUMENBERG #general

Leslie Weinberg <artsoul@...>
 

Mozes BLUMENBERG was born in 1920 in Tyczyn, Poland and was last seen in Israel in
1945. Family here in the U.S. is trying to find him and any family he may have.
He may have gone to Russia after WWI to search for surviving relatives. Parents
were Hene (EISEN) Blumenberg and Jonas Blumenberg, grandparents on mother's side
were Schewa and Chaim Eisen. Please email me if you have any information.
Leslie Weinberg
***
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Family Finder (JGFF) and family connections are being made more and more
frequently. If you have not already done so, please log onto
www.jewishgen.org/jgff and using the ENTER/MODIFY procedure enter and register
all the surnames of interest to your family research. As you learn about more
names and places of origin, they can always be added, but only **you** can keep
your own listings up to date.


Correction: Tarnobrzeg/Surnames #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

Folks I meant to say the last names were taken just before 1800, not 1880. In
Tarnobrzeg's case between 1772 and 1791. I believe these records maybe found in
Lwow. Anyone with knowledge on this subject please contact me privately unless
others may benefit >from your information.
Gayle >from San Gabriel.


Double Names: Betzalel Yaakov #general

Avraham <avrofek@...>
 

Since we're on the subject of "double names" does anybody know of anyone anywhere
at any time named "Betzalel Yaakov"? This might help me discover my
greatgrandfather's surname and where he came from.
thank you,
Avraham Ofek
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Rohel Village-Town in Israel #general

Peter Rohel <prohel@...>
 

Dear Genres,

I was told by someone there is/was a village, town named ROHEL in Israel.
Unfortunately, I have no idea what region. Although Rohel is not a Jewish surname,
it is a variant of Rachel, according to "Jewish Personal Names" book, by Rabbi
Shmuel Gorr.

I have searched the Internet for maps, etc., but I am unable to find one detailed
enough or "searchable" road map for Israel.

Can you help me finding Rohel village-town in Israel?

Peter Rohel
Toronto, Canada
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prohel/names/rohelinfo.html

Researching Maharal's brother: Rabbi Sinai LOEB (1508-1607) m. Chana Enokh
WESSELS, R. Chaim of Konin (1545-1620) m. Krassna bat Gabriel, Judith LOEB
m. Elasar TODROS, Perl TODROS m. Michal WIENER, Bele WIENER m. Falk MARKUS,
Cheyle MARKUS m. Joseph Wolf GRATZ, Bejle GRATZ (1737-1818) m. Joseph
Abraham OBERLANDER (1725-1787)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Correction: Tarnobrzeg/Surnames #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

Folks I meant to say the last names were taken just before 1800, not 1880. In
Tarnobrzeg's case between 1772 and 1791. I believe these records maybe found in
Lwow. Anyone with knowledge on this subject please contact me privately unless
others may benefit >from your information.
Gayle >from San Gabriel.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Double Names: Betzalel Yaakov #general

Avraham <avrofek@...>
 

Since we're on the subject of "double names" does anybody know of anyone anywhere
at any time named "Betzalel Yaakov"? This might help me discover my
greatgrandfather's surname and where he came from.
thank you,
Avraham Ofek
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rohel Village-Town in Israel #general

Peter Rohel <prohel@...>
 

Dear Genres,

I was told by someone there is/was a village, town named ROHEL in Israel.
Unfortunately, I have no idea what region. Although Rohel is not a Jewish surname,
it is a variant of Rachel, according to "Jewish Personal Names" book, by Rabbi
Shmuel Gorr.

I have searched the Internet for maps, etc., but I am unable to find one detailed
enough or "searchable" road map for Israel.

Can you help me finding Rohel village-town in Israel?

Peter Rohel
Toronto, Canada
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prohel/names/rohelinfo.html

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Cheyle MARKUS m. Joseph Wolf GRATZ, Bejle GRATZ (1737-1818) m. Joseph
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