There is an incredible book written by Irving Howe called "World of our
Fathers". It describes the journey of the Eastern European immigrant Jews to
America and the life they found and made here; describing great hardships
and incredible strides. It is a really comprehensive history and as such
does touch upon many of the reasons why some of them returned to the old
country. As a great academic work it can occassionally be a little dry, but
if you have the interest and curiosity, it is a well of knowledge and a
treasure.

Barbara Zilber
Montreal, Canada
researching ZILBERSZTEJN & INWENTARZ (Warsaw),
ZALCMAN & MILSZTEJN (Radom & Krakow)

Does anyone know if Steve Morse, or someone else has created a tool, that
allows us to input a Cyrillic surname or another word to get the English
translation, similar to the Israeli phone directory where we type the
English and it gets converted to Hebrew.

Tom Erribe
CA

Moderator's note: Have you visited his homepage listing all his
One-Step pages? http://stevemorse.org/

There is an incredible book written by Irving Howe called "World of our
Fathers". It describes the journey of the Eastern European immigrant Jews to
America and the life they found and made here; describing great hardships
and incredible strides. It is a really comprehensive history and as such
does touch upon many of the reasons why some of them returned to the old
country. As a great academic work it can occassionally be a little dry, but
if you have the interest and curiosity, it is a well of knowledge and a
treasure.

Barbara Zilber
Montreal, Canada
researching ZILBERSZTEJN & INWENTARZ (Warsaw),
ZALCMAN & MILSZTEJN (Radom & Krakow)

Does anyone know if Steve Morse, or someone else has created a tool, that
allows us to input a Cyrillic surname or another word to get the English
translation, similar to the Israeli phone directory where we type the
English and it gets converted to Hebrew.

Tom Erribe
CA

Moderator's note: Have you visited his homepage listing all his
One-Step pages? http://stevemorse.org/

Francine Miller asked about family returning to Poland after they had
already arrived in NY,,,,

My great-grandfather was said to have returned several times between 1900
and 1920. No reason seems to have survived other than "he went back to see
his wife and kids and each time left Poland after making his wife pregnant
again!"

I suppose since my great grand mother did not want to leave for some
reason, maybe her parents or other family commitments. She did finally come
to NY with here youngest children in 1920.

Jef Barnett
Bensalem, PA

BANDRYMER (Bandrimer or Bandremer) -Serock, Pultusk, Rozan Poland
KRASHA - Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
NOWAK (Novak, Nowack) -Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
BULMAN- Poland

Dear Friends,

Does anyone know if a Jewish cemetery still remains in Tilsit, East
Prussia - now Sovetsk, Kaliningrad province, Russia?

Thank you for your collective help.
Lorraine Fig Shapiro

Researching SLADOWSKY, LUDWINOFSKY (Poland, East Prussia), FIG
(Lithuania), CHAPMAN (England).

Francine Miller asked about family returning to Poland after they had
already arrived in NY,,,,

My great-grandfather was said to have returned several times between 1900
and 1920. No reason seems to have survived other than "he went back to see
his wife and kids and each time left Poland after making his wife pregnant
again!"

I suppose since my great grand mother did not want to leave for some
reason, maybe her parents or other family commitments. She did finally come
to NY with here youngest children in 1920.

Jef Barnett
Bensalem, PA

BANDRYMER (Bandrimer or Bandremer) -Serock, Pultusk, Rozan Poland
KRASHA - Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
NOWAK (Novak, Nowack) -Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
BULMAN- Poland

Dear Friends,

Does anyone know if a Jewish cemetery still remains in Tilsit, East
Prussia - now Sovetsk, Kaliningrad province, Russia?

Thank you for your collective help.
Lorraine Fig Shapiro

Researching SLADOWSKY, LUDWINOFSKY (Poland, East Prussia), FIG
(Lithuania), CHAPMAN (England).

Someone just sent me a reproduction of the 375-year old "Venice Haggadah."
It is very attractive, with many illustrations, but that's not the point.

It has many instructions and explanations in Judaeo-German. What struck me
was the use of the Vav (which we'd transliterate as a W today) as
transliterations for the Germanic "F" sound, as in F, V or Ph

I don't know how common that was at the time. Venice, like much of Northern
Italy, was then a largely German-Jewish community.

I'm alerting those who are puzzling over 17th century documents (or later)
that a Vav may represent the German letters/sounds F, V or Ph.

If anyone has additional information on this, please let us know.
Happy Purim

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@aol.com

My greatgrandmother went >from London (not Poland, I know) to New York,
stayed there a year and returned to London to look after her mother, so I
believe.

Nick Landau
London, UK

Hi,

Might someone be able to look up for me the address of a cousin living in
Israel - Friedrich WOLF and his wife Rosa (nee BRAND)? I believe were still
alive about 5 years ago, but am not sure if they are decreased now. If no
listing for them, maybe one of their three children have a listing -
Franklin ZEEVI, Marion LEADER, or Esther PREISZLER. I don't know where in
Israel they lived.

Thanks for any help.

Joe Lonstein
East Lansing, MI

Someone just sent me a reproduction of the 375-year old "Venice Haggadah."
It is very attractive, with many illustrations, but that's not the point.

It has many instructions and explanations in Judaeo-German. What struck me
was the use of the Vav (which we'd transliterate as a W today) as
transliterations for the Germanic "F" sound, as in F, V or Ph

I don't know how common that was at the time. Venice, like much of Northern
Italy, was then a largely German-Jewish community.

I'm alerting those who are puzzling over 17th century documents (or later)
that a Vav may represent the German letters/sounds F, V or Ph.

If anyone has additional information on this, please let us know.
Happy Purim

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@aol.com

My greatgrandmother went >from London (not Poland, I know) to New York,
stayed there a year and returned to London to look after her mother, so I
believe.

Nick Landau
London, UK

Hi,

Might someone be able to look up for me the address of a cousin living in
Israel - Friedrich WOLF and his wife Rosa (nee BRAND)? I believe were still
alive about 5 years ago, but am not sure if they are decreased now. If no
listing for them, maybe one of their three children have a listing -
Franklin ZEEVI, Marion LEADER, or Esther PREISZLER. I don't know where in
Israel they lived.

Thanks for any help.

Joe Lonstein
East Lansing, MI

Family lore has it that one relative, around 1900, went back to Poland
because America was a "traife" country. I hope I am spelling that
correctly. Another relative >from Poland, who hated living on the Lower
East Side, around 1900, saved her change, packed her bags and bought a
ticket back to Poland. She changed her mind at the last minute.
Louise Hajdenberg
New York NY

BRILLIANT,MAUMERSTEIN/MARMELSTEIN,GOLTZMAN/HOLTZMAN Zaslov Ukraine;FROMAN/FRUMIN
Sochowce Ukraine;YOUNG/JUNG/YUNG Zaslov Ukraine, Lyakhovichi ( Lachowitz)
Belarus,St. Louis, NewYork; BERLANDShepetovkaUkraine;FRIEDMAN, Rzeszow Poland
NOTENBERG/NOTTENBERG/NATHANBERG/NATHAN, TOBIAS Talsi Latvia;RAWITZ, Ropczyce
Poland ROSENBLATT,Bila Tserkva,Tetiev Ukraine; Sadagora,Czernowitz Poland
FEIGENBAUM, Debica, Ropczyce,Rzeszow, Swoszowa( Svasov) bez.Yaslo, Riglitz,

Family lore has it that one relative, around 1900, went back to Poland
because America was a "traife" country. I hope I am spelling that
correctly. Another relative >from Poland, who hated living on the Lower
East Side, around 1900, saved her change, packed her bags and bought a
ticket back to Poland. She changed her mind at the last minute.
Louise Hajdenberg
New York NY

BRILLIANT,MAUMERSTEIN/MARMELSTEIN,GOLTZMAN/HOLTZMAN Zaslov Ukraine;FROMAN/FRUMIN
Sochowce Ukraine;YOUNG/JUNG/YUNG Zaslov Ukraine, Lyakhovichi ( Lachowitz)
Belarus,St. Louis, NewYork; BERLANDShepetovkaUkraine;FRIEDMAN, Rzeszow Poland
NOTENBERG/NOTTENBERG/NATHANBERG/NATHAN, TOBIAS Talsi Latvia;RAWITZ, Ropczyce
Poland ROSENBLATT,Bila Tserkva,Tetiev Ukraine; Sadagora,Czernowitz Poland
FEIGENBAUM, Debica, Ropczyce,Rzeszow, Swoszowa( Svasov) bez.Yaslo, Riglitz,

While we were vacationing on the sunny island of Maui we received a message
on our laptop, inquiring about a STIEFEL.

Unfortunately, in transferring the message to our computer it got lost. I
would appreciate it if the person who wrote us us contact us again at
erstiefel@msn.com Thank you !

ERNEST R. STIEFEL, Seattle, Washington erstiefel@msn.com

One more reason an immigrant to the U.S. returned to Poland:
Nathan Okon, a landsman of my grandparents, went back to Galicia (then
Poland) in the 1930s. He visited his hometown of Suchostaw and his wife's
nearby hometown. Happily for us, he filmed his trip, starting with the
crossAtlantic voyage and including much footage of the town and people of
the two shtetls. He left an incredibly valuable film for all of us. The film
was found by a cousin of mine and transferred to VHS and then donated to the
Museum in NYC.

The original question mentioned a photo taken in 1920. Going back to Poland
after WWI, when conditions there were so miserable, raises questions that no
one has addressed specifically so far.

Joan Baronberg, Denver, CO
FRIEDMAN, MESTER, WEISSER
Suchostaw, Slobodka bei Strusow, Ukraine

Just to weigh in on relatives going back to the old country to get married.
I had one who came to NY around 1868 as a small kid. I could find nothing
more on her until I saw her name on JRI Poland, marriages 1887 from
Suwalki, where I knew they lived. I assumed that she went back to get
herself a husband.

However, the right answer came up with better research. Turned out that the
person on the JRI Poland database was her first cousin, both of them named
after their maternal grandmother. As often happens, both cousins, girls,
had the same last name because their mothers married guys >from the same
family, not an uncommon occurrence in the days of matchmaking.

Arthur N. Feinberg
feinber2@ix.netcom.com

Dear Genners,

I have posted two files on viewmate for help translating >from Russian.
The first one has the names of three relatives of my grandmother (I
think) >from Kolonie L'vovo in the Ukraine. The second one is a Russian
document >from Poland (I will also be posting this message on the Warsaw
digest. I would appreciate any help that I can get.
Thank you very much.
Please reply privately.


http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5731
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5732

Sarah L. M. Christiansen