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BEER-HOFMANN from Lomnice #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

I was reading the catalogue >from the Jewish museum of Vienna exhibit of a
few years ago on the author Richard BEER-HOFMANN and wondering again on the
legend in my family that my grandfather Eric ZEISL was somehow related to
BEER-HOFMANN. In the various short descriptions next to the family
portraits of Beer-Hofmann's family members I found a clue. Richard's
adoptive father was Alois Hofmann, the "cousin" of Richard's father
Hermann Beer. In the description of Alois Hofmann it says that in
1808 the family had acquired a site for the erection of a cloth factory
">from the Lomnitz estate"

Now Lomnitz (Lomnice) is a town I have been looking at because it
is very near to Rassoch (Rozsochy) the birthplace of my gg-grandfather
Emanuel ZEISL. Although the Jewish records for Lomnice no longer exist,
the entry on Lomnitz in Hugo Gold's book on Moravia (based on a history
written by Michael ZEISEL) has a great many details including a list of
all the Jewish families who lived in Lomnice in the first half of
the 19th century. See

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/towns/lomnice.htm.

About 25% of the 140 families listed include a spouse named ZEISEL or ZEISL.
So Lomnice figures to be the birthplace of a large ZEISL/ZEISEL clan that
would include my gg-grandfather Emanuel. I have suspected that my
gg-grandfather's family is listed in the article as

115. Moses (Mosche) Zeisel, mercery.
His wife Idel.
Children: David, Berl, Emanuel, Gittl (Fischer), Liebe (Schmeidler).

With the new Beer-Hofmann information in hand, I looked again at the list
of families and found these interesting entries which revealed further
information about the BEER-HOFMANN family:

12. H. (Herz) Beer (Radomuehl), destiller of spirits.
His second wife Chaile, borne Hofmann.
Sons: Gobrisch and Simon.

39. Gerson (Gerschon) Hofman, manufacturer in cloth.
His wife Feigele, daughter of Josef Koenig >from Myslice.
Children: Abraham, Wolf (blind) died, Berl and Chaile Beer Radomuehl.

40. Abraham Hofman, grocery shop, Factory of woolen goods.
His wife Anna Beer, daughter of Herz Radmuehl.
Children: Alois and Agnes Beer.

There was also at least one Zeisel-Hofmann connection

101. Israel (Kasriel) Wohlmuth, destiller.
His wife Perl, borne Hofmann.
Children: Mosche, Klaerl (Bass), Chailer (Wassertrilling), Rachel (Engler),
Mirl (Zeisl), Fradl (Skutetzki).
from the second marriage: Wolf and Pepi.
116. Abraham Zeisel, various occupations.
His wife Mirl, borne Wohlmuth >from Bodenstadt.
Children: Getzl, Kasriel, Gerschon, Leib, Perl Kreinndl, Liese and Katti.

So, while not establishing any direct connection, I do now have
confirmation that the ancestors of Richard BEER-HOFFMAN came >from Lomnice,
a town where at least 25% of the families were connected to the
ZEISL/ZEISEL family.

As an aside, the level of interrelationship in the BEER-HOFMANN family is
staggering. Richard's mother died shortly after he was born and he was
raised by his mother's sister, who was married to his father's uncle,
so his paternal family tree looks like this:

1 Josef KOENIG
b. Mislitz, Moravia
| 1.1 Feigele Fanny KOENIG
| & Gershon HOFMANN
| | 1.1.1 Katherina Chaile HOFMANN
| | & Herz Naftali Radomuehl BEER
| | | 1.1.1.1 Anna Nanette BEER
| | | & Abraham Albert HOFMANN
| | | | 1.1.1.1.1 Alois HOFMANN
| | | | & Berta STOECKERL
| | | | | 1.1.1.1.1.1 Richard BEER-HOFMANN
| | | | | b. 11 Jul 1866, Vienna, Austria
| | | | | d. 26 Sep 1945, New York, N.Y.
| | | | | & Paula LISSY
| | | | 1.1.1.1.2 Agnes HOFMANN
| | | 1.1.1.2 Simon BEER
| | | 1.1.1.3a Hermann Gobrisch BEER*
| | | & Rosa STOECKERL
| | | | 1.1.1.3a.1 Richard BEER-HOFMANN
| | | | b. 11 Jul 1866, Vienna, Austria
| | | | d. 26 Sep 1945, New York, N.Y.
| | | | & Paula LISSY
| | | 1.1.1.3b Hermann Gobrisch BEER*
| | | & Rosa GOLDSTEIN
| | 1.1.2 Wolf HOFMANN
| | 1.1.3 Berl HOFMANN
| | 1.1.4 Abraham Albert HOFMANN
| | & Anna Nanette BEER
| | | 1.1.4.1 Alois HOFMANN
| | | & Berta STOECKERL
| | | | 1.1.4.1.1 Richard BEER-HOFMANN
| | | | b. 11 Jul 1866, Vienna, Austria
| | | | d. 26 Sep 1945, New York, N.Y.
| | | | & Paula LISSY
| | | 1.1.4.2 Agnes HOFMANN


Note that to match the information form the Zeisel article in the Gold book
with the information in the catalogue form the Jewish Museum of Vienna I
have guessed to combine some of the German and Hebrew names where it seemed
to make sense, i.e. Fanny Koenig = Feigele Koenig. Abraham Hofmann =
Albert Hofmann. Katharina Hofmann = Chaile Hofmann. Some are bit of
a stretch, ie. Hermann Beer = Gobrisch Beer. Herz Beer = Naftali Beer.
The Zeisel article has Anna Beer being the daughter of Herz Beer,
while the JMW book has Anna as the daughter of Naftali Beer. I have
guessed these were the same, although the Zeisel article says that
Chaile Hofmann was Herz Beer's second wife. It is possible that Chaile
was previously married to Naftali Beer and then married Herz Beer who
adopted her daughter Anna. But I prefer the solution that Naftali and Herz
were one and the same. (Coincidentally, the Hatikvah was composed by
Naftali Herz Imber, so the names have been known to go together.)

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech BEER-HOFMANN from Lomnice #austria-czech

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

I was reading the catalogue >from the Jewish museum of Vienna exhibit of a
few years ago on the author Richard BEER-HOFMANN and wondering again on the
legend in my family that my grandfather Eric ZEISL was somehow related to
BEER-HOFMANN. In the various short descriptions next to the family
portraits of Beer-Hofmann's family members I found a clue. Richard's
adoptive father was Alois Hofmann, the "cousin" of Richard's father
Hermann Beer. In the description of Alois Hofmann it says that in
1808 the family had acquired a site for the erection of a cloth factory
">from the Lomnitz estate"

Now Lomnitz (Lomnice) is a town I have been looking at because it
is very near to Rassoch (Rozsochy) the birthplace of my gg-grandfather
Emanuel ZEISL. Although the Jewish records for Lomnice no longer exist,
the entry on Lomnitz in Hugo Gold's book on Moravia (based on a history
written by Michael ZEISEL) has a great many details including a list of
all the Jewish families who lived in Lomnice in the first half of
the 19th century. See

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/towns/lomnice.htm.

About 25% of the 140 families listed include a spouse named ZEISEL or ZEISL.
So Lomnice figures to be the birthplace of a large ZEISL/ZEISEL clan that
would include my gg-grandfather Emanuel. I have suspected that my
gg-grandfather's family is listed in the article as

115. Moses (Mosche) Zeisel, mercery.
His wife Idel.
Children: David, Berl, Emanuel, Gittl (Fischer), Liebe (Schmeidler).

With the new Beer-Hofmann information in hand, I looked again at the list
of families and found these interesting entries which revealed further
information about the BEER-HOFMANN family:

12. H. (Herz) Beer (Radomuehl), destiller of spirits.
His second wife Chaile, borne Hofmann.
Sons: Gobrisch and Simon.

39. Gerson (Gerschon) Hofman, manufacturer in cloth.
His wife Feigele, daughter of Josef Koenig >from Myslice.
Children: Abraham, Wolf (blind) died, Berl and Chaile Beer Radomuehl.

40. Abraham Hofman, grocery shop, Factory of woolen goods.
His wife Anna Beer, daughter of Herz Radmuehl.
Children: Alois and Agnes Beer.

There was also at least one Zeisel-Hofmann connection

101. Israel (Kasriel) Wohlmuth, destiller.
His wife Perl, borne Hofmann.
Children: Mosche, Klaerl (Bass), Chailer (Wassertrilling), Rachel (Engler),
Mirl (Zeisl), Fradl (Skutetzki).
from the second marriage: Wolf and Pepi.
116. Abraham Zeisel, various occupations.
His wife Mirl, borne Wohlmuth >from Bodenstadt.
Children: Getzl, Kasriel, Gerschon, Leib, Perl Kreinndl, Liese and Katti.

So, while not establishing any direct connection, I do now have
confirmation that the ancestors of Richard BEER-HOFFMAN came >from Lomnice,
a town where at least 25% of the families were connected to the
ZEISL/ZEISEL family.

As an aside, the level of interrelationship in the BEER-HOFMANN family is
staggering. Richard's mother died shortly after he was born and he was
raised by his mother's sister, who was married to his father's uncle,
so his paternal family tree looks like this:

1 Josef KOENIG
b. Mislitz, Moravia
| 1.1 Feigele Fanny KOENIG
| & Gershon HOFMANN
| | 1.1.1 Katherina Chaile HOFMANN
| | & Herz Naftali Radomuehl BEER
| | | 1.1.1.1 Anna Nanette BEER
| | | & Abraham Albert HOFMANN
| | | | 1.1.1.1.1 Alois HOFMANN
| | | | & Berta STOECKERL
| | | | | 1.1.1.1.1.1 Richard BEER-HOFMANN
| | | | | b. 11 Jul 1866, Vienna, Austria
| | | | | d. 26 Sep 1945, New York, N.Y.
| | | | | & Paula LISSY
| | | | 1.1.1.1.2 Agnes HOFMANN
| | | 1.1.1.2 Simon BEER
| | | 1.1.1.3a Hermann Gobrisch BEER*
| | | & Rosa STOECKERL
| | | | 1.1.1.3a.1 Richard BEER-HOFMANN
| | | | b. 11 Jul 1866, Vienna, Austria
| | | | d. 26 Sep 1945, New York, N.Y.
| | | | & Paula LISSY
| | | 1.1.1.3b Hermann Gobrisch BEER*
| | | & Rosa GOLDSTEIN
| | 1.1.2 Wolf HOFMANN
| | 1.1.3 Berl HOFMANN
| | 1.1.4 Abraham Albert HOFMANN
| | & Anna Nanette BEER
| | | 1.1.4.1 Alois HOFMANN
| | | & Berta STOECKERL
| | | | 1.1.4.1.1 Richard BEER-HOFMANN
| | | | b. 11 Jul 1866, Vienna, Austria
| | | | d. 26 Sep 1945, New York, N.Y.
| | | | & Paula LISSY
| | | 1.1.4.2 Agnes HOFMANN


Note that to match the information form the Zeisel article in the Gold book
with the information in the catalogue form the Jewish Museum of Vienna I
have guessed to combine some of the German and Hebrew names where it seemed
to make sense, i.e. Fanny Koenig = Feigele Koenig. Abraham Hofmann =
Albert Hofmann. Katharina Hofmann = Chaile Hofmann. Some are bit of
a stretch, ie. Hermann Beer = Gobrisch Beer. Herz Beer = Naftali Beer.
The Zeisel article has Anna Beer being the daughter of Herz Beer,
while the JMW book has Anna as the daughter of Naftali Beer. I have
guessed these were the same, although the Zeisel article says that
Chaile Hofmann was Herz Beer's second wife. It is possible that Chaile
was previously married to Naftali Beer and then married Herz Beer who
adopted her daughter Anna. But I prefer the solution that Naftali and Herz
were one and the same. (Coincidentally, the Hatikvah was composed by
Naftali Herz Imber, so the names have been known to go together.)

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles


Descendants of Baron Jacob VON HIRSCH #germany

H.Peter Sinclair <peter@...>
 

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 01:00:09 -0600, David Lederman
<dalederman@bezeqint.net> wrote:

How can I get the family tree of the descendants of Baron Jacob VON=20
HIRSCH, born in Wurzburg-Germany 1765. Are there still descendants=20
living to-day? Thank you for your help - David Lederman Israel
The /Hirsch auf Gereuth/ are related to the /Koenigswarters . /They
were also business associates : they jointly founded the first German
railway in 1835, the "Ludwigsbahn" between Fuerth and Nuremberg .
/Betty ("Babette") Koenigswarter /(Frankfurt 1813-Wuerzburg 1836)
married /Samuel von Hirsch /(Wuerzburg 1811-Illenau 1854) in 1835 .
She died 16 months later, aged 23 . They had no descendants . She was
the daughter of /Marcus Koenigswarter /(Fuerth 1776-Frankfurt 1850)
the founder of the Frankfurt branch of the family, and /Jeannette
Wertheimer /(Frankfurt 1782-Frankfurt 1854) and the granddaughter of
/Jonas Hirsch Koenigswarter /(1740-1805) . /Samuel von Hirsch /was the
son of /Joel-Jacob von Hirsch /, eldest son of /Jacob von Hirsch
/(Koenigshofen 1765-Munich 1840) . The existing /von Hirsch
/descendance is through /Joel-Jacob/'s brother /Joseph von Hirsch
/(1805-1885) who married /Karoline Wertheimer /(1810-1888) . She was a
niece of /Marcus Koenigswarter /and sister-in-Law of his brother
/Moritz /(who married her sister /Caecilia Wertheimer/) ./Joseph von
Hirsch /had four sons and three daughters, of which the famous
/Maurice "Tuerkenhirsch" de Hirsch /(1831-1896), whose biography
was recently published : "Le Mo=EFse des Am=E9riques-Vies et oeuvres du
munificent baron de Hirsch" by Dominique Frischer (Editions Grasset,
Paris, 2002). Genealogy of the /von Hirsch/ family can be found in the
following publications : -"Annuaire de la Noblesse de France 1897"
(p.390-391) -"Semigotha=EFsches Genealogisches Taschenbuch
1914"(p.45,120,363,419,T11). -"Die Familie von Hirsch auf Gereuth" by
Joseph Prys (privately published at Munich, 1923). -"Moritz, Baron
Hirsch" by S. Adler-Rudel (publication of the Leo Baeck Institute Year
Book 1963). -"G=E9n=E9alogie du Baron Hirsch de Gereuth" by Joseph Brns
(Bred. von Heller, Munich, 1931). These publications should be
available at most Jewish genealogy associations and at the Leo Baeck
Institute in London and New York.

I obtained the above information >from a former colleage of mine, a
Koenigswarter, now living in Manilla.

Peter Sinclair London <peter@thesinclairs.co.uk>


German SIG #Germany Descendants of Baron Jacob VON HIRSCH #germany

H.Peter Sinclair <peter@...>
 

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 01:00:09 -0600, David Lederman
<dalederman@bezeqint.net> wrote:

How can I get the family tree of the descendants of Baron Jacob VON=20
HIRSCH, born in Wurzburg-Germany 1765. Are there still descendants=20
living to-day? Thank you for your help - David Lederman Israel
The /Hirsch auf Gereuth/ are related to the /Koenigswarters . /They
were also business associates : they jointly founded the first German
railway in 1835, the "Ludwigsbahn" between Fuerth and Nuremberg .
/Betty ("Babette") Koenigswarter /(Frankfurt 1813-Wuerzburg 1836)
married /Samuel von Hirsch /(Wuerzburg 1811-Illenau 1854) in 1835 .
She died 16 months later, aged 23 . They had no descendants . She was
the daughter of /Marcus Koenigswarter /(Fuerth 1776-Frankfurt 1850)
the founder of the Frankfurt branch of the family, and /Jeannette
Wertheimer /(Frankfurt 1782-Frankfurt 1854) and the granddaughter of
/Jonas Hirsch Koenigswarter /(1740-1805) . /Samuel von Hirsch /was the
son of /Joel-Jacob von Hirsch /, eldest son of /Jacob von Hirsch
/(Koenigshofen 1765-Munich 1840) . The existing /von Hirsch
/descendance is through /Joel-Jacob/'s brother /Joseph von Hirsch
/(1805-1885) who married /Karoline Wertheimer /(1810-1888) . She was a
niece of /Marcus Koenigswarter /and sister-in-Law of his brother
/Moritz /(who married her sister /Caecilia Wertheimer/) ./Joseph von
Hirsch /had four sons and three daughters, of which the famous
/Maurice "Tuerkenhirsch" de Hirsch /(1831-1896), whose biography
was recently published : "Le Mo=EFse des Am=E9riques-Vies et oeuvres du
munificent baron de Hirsch" by Dominique Frischer (Editions Grasset,
Paris, 2002). Genealogy of the /von Hirsch/ family can be found in the
following publications : -"Annuaire de la Noblesse de France 1897"
(p.390-391) -"Semigotha=EFsches Genealogisches Taschenbuch
1914"(p.45,120,363,419,T11). -"Die Familie von Hirsch auf Gereuth" by
Joseph Prys (privately published at Munich, 1923). -"Moritz, Baron
Hirsch" by S. Adler-Rudel (publication of the Leo Baeck Institute Year
Book 1963). -"G=E9n=E9alogie du Baron Hirsch de Gereuth" by Joseph Brns
(Bred. von Heller, Munich, 1931). These publications should be
available at most Jewish genealogy associations and at the Leo Baeck
Institute in London and New York.

I obtained the above information >from a former colleage of mine, a
Koenigswarter, now living in Manilla.

Peter Sinclair London <peter@thesinclairs.co.uk>


Family BERLINSKI in Charlottenburg #germany

Lars E. Menk <Lmenk@...>
 

GerSig member Rica B. Goldberg of Manchester, England (who for an unknown
reason is unable to receive my e-mail directly) wrote:

My husband's great grandfather George/Gershon/or even
Jacob BERLINSKI is reputed to have come to
Manchester, England >from Charlottenburg in Berlin.

I did take a look at the web address http://adressbuch.zlb.de/
but did not find the directories themselves.
Are they on line?
Sure, at least now. You've got to click on
"Suche in den Berliner Adressbuechern".
Or you may directly go to:

http://adressbuch.zlb.de/searchResultAdressbuch.php?CatalogName=
zlb_sk1&CatalogLayer=1&CatalogCategory=adress

from there choose the time period you'd like to research, e.g. "1850-1874".
And so on.

Kindest regards and Shalom,

Lars Menk Berlin, Germany Lmenk@gmx.net


German SIG #Germany Family BERLINSKI in Charlottenburg #germany

Lars E. Menk <Lmenk@...>
 

GerSig member Rica B. Goldberg of Manchester, England (who for an unknown
reason is unable to receive my e-mail directly) wrote:

My husband's great grandfather George/Gershon/or even
Jacob BERLINSKI is reputed to have come to
Manchester, England >from Charlottenburg in Berlin.

I did take a look at the web address http://adressbuch.zlb.de/
but did not find the directories themselves.
Are they on line?
Sure, at least now. You've got to click on
"Suche in den Berliner Adressbuechern".
Or you may directly go to:

http://adressbuch.zlb.de/searchResultAdressbuch.php?CatalogName=
zlb_sk1&CatalogLayer=1&CatalogCategory=adress

from there choose the time period you'd like to research, e.g. "1850-1874".
And so on.

Kindest regards and Shalom,

Lars Menk Berlin, Germany Lmenk@gmx.net


The Town of Eggenfelden #germany

NaorMichael@...
 

Dear fellow researchers,

I am looking for information concerning the Jewish community
of Eggenfelden in upper Bavaria. Does anybody of you know of books or other
materials on this subject? Where can Jewish vital records be viewed? Through
a friend, I have access to resources in Israel.
I will be grateful for any hints.

Michael Naor Duesseldorf, Germany NaorMichael@aol.com


German SIG #Germany The Town of Eggenfelden #germany

NaorMichael@...
 

Dear fellow researchers,

I am looking for information concerning the Jewish community
of Eggenfelden in upper Bavaria. Does anybody of you know of books or other
materials on this subject? Where can Jewish vital records be viewed? Through
a friend, I have access to resources in Israel.
I will be grateful for any hints.

Michael Naor Duesseldorf, Germany NaorMichael@aol.com


A question about "Maajan - Die Quelle" Journal #germany

A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
 

I have just taken over as the librarian
for the JGS of Los Angeles and am
working to catalogue the numerous
Journals that we have on our shelves.

There is a Journal that is:
Maajan - Die Quelle" that is described as:
"Zeitschrift Fuer Juedische Familienforschung"

It also says:
"Organ der Schweizerischen Vereinigung
fuer Judische Genealogie"

As well as:

"...und der Hamburger Gesellschaft
fuer Juedische Genealogie E.V."

My question is:

Is this a Swiss Genealogical Journal and/or a Journal for the Jews of Hamburg?

Thanks for your input.

Barbara Algaze Los Angeles, California Algaze@comcast.net


German SIG #Germany A question about "Maajan - Die Quelle" Journal #germany

A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
 

I have just taken over as the librarian
for the JGS of Los Angeles and am
working to catalogue the numerous
Journals that we have on our shelves.

There is a Journal that is:
Maajan - Die Quelle" that is described as:
"Zeitschrift Fuer Juedische Familienforschung"

It also says:
"Organ der Schweizerischen Vereinigung
fuer Judische Genealogie"

As well as:

"...und der Hamburger Gesellschaft
fuer Juedische Genealogie E.V."

My question is:

Is this a Swiss Genealogical Journal and/or a Journal for the Jews of Hamburg?

Thanks for your input.

Barbara Algaze Los Angeles, California Algaze@comcast.net


ViewMate 5879- Photo Identification, A Couple in a Cemetery #general

Rony Golan <golanron@...>
 

Hi,

I posted a photograph on ViewMate, and I ask for your kind help:

In the photograph you can see a couple in (what looks like) a rural cemetery. The
photograph was held by an elderly aunt who lived in Chicago and was born in Torun
(then Czechoslovakia, now the Ukraine). The headstone looks broken (maybe it was
erected this way) and the inscription is very clear: Reb Menachem Yakov died 27
Elul of 1920 (Taf-Resh-Peh).

I have no idea who the couple are nor whose grave it is or where the photogrph was
taken.

Can you come to any conclusions >from the way the couple is dressed or look like ?

The direct link to the image is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5879


Thank you very much.

Please reply privately.

Rony Golan
Ramat Hasharon, Israel


ViewMate: Translation from Polish #general

Eisner J&R <eisner@...>
 

Hello
I have posted three documents to Viewmate. Can someone please help me with
translations. They are polish documents as below.

Marriage of Josek Nachman PYDRA and Chinda SZLAM 1879 in Aleksandrow Lodzki
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5870

Marriage of Estera Malka PYDRA and Gutman JAKUBOWSKI 1882 in Lodz
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5869

Birth of Abram Nojech PIDRA 1881 in Aleksandrow Lodzki.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5868

Thank you for your help

Rene Eisner
Melbourne, Australia


ViewMate: Help with Polish Translation #general

ms nodrog
 

Dear Genners,

Please help translate the polish script in two Viewmate items. They are:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5874

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5875

If it's not too much trouble. some explaination of the heddings would be helpful
as well.

Please respond to msnodrog@yahoo.com

Thanks in advance.

Hope Gordon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate 5879- Photo Identification, A Couple in a Cemetery #general

Rony Golan <golanron@...>
 

Hi,

I posted a photograph on ViewMate, and I ask for your kind help:

In the photograph you can see a couple in (what looks like) a rural cemetery. The
photograph was held by an elderly aunt who lived in Chicago and was born in Torun
(then Czechoslovakia, now the Ukraine). The headstone looks broken (maybe it was
erected this way) and the inscription is very clear: Reb Menachem Yakov died 27
Elul of 1920 (Taf-Resh-Peh).

I have no idea who the couple are nor whose grave it is or where the photogrph was
taken.

Can you come to any conclusions >from the way the couple is dressed or look like ?

The direct link to the image is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5879


Thank you very much.

Please reply privately.

Rony Golan
Ramat Hasharon, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate: Translation from Polish #general

Eisner J&R <eisner@...>
 

Hello
I have posted three documents to Viewmate. Can someone please help me with
translations. They are polish documents as below.

Marriage of Josek Nachman PYDRA and Chinda SZLAM 1879 in Aleksandrow Lodzki
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5870

Marriage of Estera Malka PYDRA and Gutman JAKUBOWSKI 1882 in Lodz
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5869

Birth of Abram Nojech PIDRA 1881 in Aleksandrow Lodzki.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5868

Thank you for your help

Rene Eisner
Melbourne, Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate: Help with Polish Translation #general

ms nodrog
 

Dear Genners,

Please help translate the polish script in two Viewmate items. They are:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5874

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5875

If it's not too much trouble. some explaination of the heddings would be helpful
as well.

Please respond to msnodrog@yahoo.com

Thanks in advance.

Hope Gordon


SCHINDLER'S LIST #general

Ena Jacobs
 

Hello Genners:
Having discovered a possible ancestral surname on Schindler's List, the website of
which was posted recently, I would like to enquire if it is possible to follow-up
on learning more information on this subject.
I would welcome any direction, and since this may be of interest to other Genners,
perhaps a general posting might be appropriate.
Thanking you,
Ena JACOBS
Researcher #3580
enabob@cox.net


Jewish Genealogy and the World of J #general

trombka1l <trombka1@...>
 

I would like to suggest to all members of this important a group a very new
Internet site called the WorldofJ, which is basically a meeting place for the
entire world Jewish community broken down by interest. One of their many interest
sections is specifically devoted to Jewish genealogy and should provide an
additional important forum for world Jewry in this regard.

Registration for this site is currently free and can be found at:

www.worldofj.com

Good luck to all,
David Trombka


Shlomo KLUGER #general

Barry Kluger <barry@...>
 

My name is Barry Kluger and I live in Arizona.

After reading about the Pope's friend Jerzy KLUGER, I asked my brother if there
was any relation.I "thought" my Dad's father, whom I never met, came >from Austria
but my brother just emailed me with the following:

Barry:

As to your question as to whether dad's family was >from Austria or Poland, the
answer is. Both.....when dad's father left it was part of the austrian-Hungary
empire. After the treaty of late 1800s, it became part of Poland. After WW II it
became part of USSR. It is now Ukraine. When our people left it was called
Lemberg, it has been since 1890 called Lvov. Jerzy is a direct descendant of Reb
Shlomo Kluger as are we.

Is there any information anyone can direct me to on rabbi Kluger.

Coincidentally, I write for the Jewish news of Phoenix and now I have something to
really be proud of.

Any help is welcome.

Barry Kluger
barry@barrykluger.com
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Viewmate: Translation of Two Ketubbot #general

Daniel Teichman <daniel.teichman@...>
 

I need help for the translation of the personal data in two Ketubbot. You will
find part of these Ketubbot on Viewmate.

VM 5709:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5709
Ketuba >from Jerusalem.
Date (probably): Wednesday, 7. Tischri 5640 (this would be: 24.9.1879).
On the second line, in the middle, I read: "we'chaschuv Jakov", probably the name
of the groom?
On the third line: ""Rachel ... bat ha'chaschuv Pinchas ...... have li le'antu
kedat Mosche weJisrael".
My questions: Can someone confirm the date? Can someone tell me the whole name of
the groom and the bride?

VM 5710 and VM 5711:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5710
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5711
I was not able to scan the first lines of this Ketuba >from Jerusalem in one
picture. Please check the second picture (VM 5711) as well.
Date (probably): Wednesday 12. Schvat 5651 (would be: 21.1.1891).
Groom: Elijahu [...] Jecheskel.
Bride: [...] Batscheva [...].
My questions: Can someone confirm the date? Can someone tell me the whole name of
the groom and the bride?

Please send responses directly to me. Thank you very much in advance.

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
daniel.teichman@freesurf.ch