California death certificate >from even much earlier than 1946 can be very useful,
and typically not only have name of parents and their place of birth, but also the
length of residence at the place of death and in the state of California.

Annemarie Jutel
Dunedin, NZ

Researching:
DROZDOWITZ/DROZDOWICZ/DROZDOW/DROSDOWITZ of Plonsk, Zakroczym, Chicago,Ogden (UT),
Indianapolis and New York. GOLDSTEIN Marijampol, HIRSCHLER Manheim and Hessheim,
MANHEIM Ottensoos, San Francisco, KAHN Hannover, San Francisco LOEB Strasbourg,
San Francisco and STEINBERG Marijampole(?), Louisville, KY

Strimetera is one of several names for Strimtura, Romania, formerly Szurdok in
Izavolgyi district of Maramaros megye. Dragomerfalu (Dragomiresti, Romania) was
the main community in the district. Also known as Sramtura, and Stramtura.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
Hungarian SIG Coordinator

<There is a map on the back cover which shows the shtetl located on the northern
border of Romania, not far >from Sighet.
Ida and Joseph Schwarcz>

California death certificate >from even much earlier than 1946 can be very useful,
and typically not only have name of parents and their place of birth, but also the
length of residence at the place of death and in the state of California.

Annemarie Jutel
Dunedin, NZ

Researching:
DROZDOWITZ/DROZDOWICZ/DROZDOW/DROSDOWITZ of Plonsk, Zakroczym, Chicago,Ogden (UT),
Indianapolis and New York. GOLDSTEIN Marijampol, HIRSCHLER Manheim and Hessheim,
MANHEIM Ottensoos, San Francisco, KAHN Hannover, San Francisco LOEB Strasbourg,
San Francisco and STEINBERG Marijampole(?), Louisville, KY

Strimetera is one of several names for Strimtura, Romania, formerly Szurdok in
Izavolgyi district of Maramaros megye. Dragomerfalu (Dragomiresti, Romania) was
the main community in the district. Also known as Sramtura, and Stramtura.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
Hungarian SIG Coordinator

<There is a map on the back cover which shows the shtetl located on the northern
border of Romania, not far >from Sighet.
Ida and Joseph Schwarcz>

Hello Celia, hello Henry

------------------------
From: Celia Male <celiamale@yahoo.com>
Henry, this appears to be an archaic phrase and if you search the
internet you will find a few examples of its "non-silver usage"!
------------------------
This word is used in Germany often today. So it is not archaic.

This is a slangword:
Versilbern = sell stuff (here kosher meat) to anybody for money.
If you receive money for stuff = etwas versilbert haben = (in the past)
received silver coins.
Also I believe too that he was a salesman for kosher meat.

Regards
Lothar (Hlavensky)
Germany

Schlesien: BAUMANN; BIELECK; DIEN; GRALLA; GNERLICH; LOECKELT; KRUSCH; KUSCHEL;
NAWRATH; PIECZKO; PRIESNITZ; SALWIG; SCHMIDT; SMACZNY; WEIDLER; WUDTKE;
ZIMMERMANN; ICQ no. 317140525
Boehmen: CAKRTOVE; HLAVENSKY; KALUSKOVE; NECADOVY; S(CH)LAMBOR; SINA; WIRT
http://www.genealogy.hlavensky.de

Hello Celia, hello Henry

------------------------
From: Celia Male <celiamale@yahoo.com>
Henry, this appears to be an archaic phrase and if you search the
internet you will find a few examples of its "non-silver usage"!
------------------------
This word is used in Germany often today. So it is not archaic.

This is a slangword:
Versilbern = sell stuff (here kosher meat) to anybody for money.
If you receive money for stuff = etwas versilbert haben = (in the past)
received silver coins.
Also I believe too that he was a salesman for kosher meat.

Regards
Lothar (Hlavensky)
Germany

Schlesien: BAUMANN; BIELECK; DIEN; GRALLA; GNERLICH; LOECKELT; KRUSCH; KUSCHEL;
NAWRATH; PIECZKO; PRIESNITZ; SALWIG; SCHMIDT; SMACZNY; WEIDLER; WUDTKE;
ZIMMERMANN; ICQ no. 317140525
Boehmen: CAKRTOVE; HLAVENSKY; KALUSKOVE; NECADOVY; S(CH)LAMBOR; SINA; WIRT
http://www.genealogy.hlavensky.de

One interesting point is that many of the names are clearly based on French
usage - a custom no doubt introduced when the French invaded and occupied Austria.
Such usages are still very common in Austria.

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au

One interesting point is that many of the names are clearly based on French
usage - a custom no doubt introduced when the French invaded and occupied Austria.
Such usages are still very common in Austria.

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au

Dear members,

I am researching Genealogy, etc. information on the town of Sternberk(g)
(pop. 14,000), Moravia north of Olomouc. Any knowledge of the textile
industry in Sternberk(g), between (1800-1948) would be greatly appreciated.

I would love to hear >from anyone who has Sternberk(g) ancestor's.
Information on the town's "post-war" Sudeten expulsions (80% of town) to
Germany & Russia, pre-communist history, etc. (besides what's on
www.sternberk.cz).

Perhaps you own the book by: STIEF, W. "Geschichte der Stadt Sternberg in
Maehren" pub. 1934 in German?
*I am especially looking for any knowledge of
the "HEEG + FRIEDMANN" textile factory and the FRIEDMANN & KLIMES(CH)
families. Perhaps your ancestor's did business with the factory or even
worked there?

**With headquarters in Vienna, sometimes between (1850-1880) the FRIEDMANN
family built a "Textile Factory" in Sternberk(g), Moravia named: "HEEG +
FRIEDMANN". It was one of "two large factories" in Sternberk(g), employing
approx. (200-400) people. The other firm being "GROGER". Both factories and
properties were confiscated in 1945 by the Czech state (Benes Decrees). In
1946 the "GROGER" firm became "Moravia" (appliance mfg.), currently "Mora
Moravia". It took until 1948 before an "official confiscation document" was
issued by the town re; "HEEG + FRIEDMANN" textile. Sternberk(g) did not know
what to do with the factory for several years and "demolished" it in 1948,
most likely because the Communists were coming to power "officially".

My mother Heidi (nee FRIEDMANN) KLIMES(CH) was the only one who stayed
behind in Sternberk(g), as a result of meeting captain Miroslav ROHEL in
1947. Prior to meeting mom, dad was a "prisoner of war for (4) years", as a
result of "defending Czechoslovakia". However," they did not know" the
country would become "Communist" in 1948 and under Soviet Union control,
with closed borders.

Thank you, perhaps you have something on the town of Sternberk(g).

Researching: R. Sinai
LOEW (Worms, Prague, Posen), FRIEDMANN (Poland, Wienna), BACH (Wienna), BOHM
(Nikosburg, Wienna), GRUNFELD (Humpoletz), EISLER (Nikolsburg?, Wienna), GRATZ,
LICHTENSTADT, MARKUS, SCHLACKENWERTH, SPIRA, SPIRO, SPIEGLER, TODROS, WEISS,
WIENER, WIENER-SPIRA, WOLF,etc.

Peter Rohel, Toronto, Canada
prohel<AT>sympatico.ca
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prohel/
(Rohel-Bach-Bohm-Loew + Associates)

Dear members,

I am researching Genealogy, etc. information on the town of Sternberk(g)
(pop. 14,000), Moravia north of Olomouc. Any knowledge of the textile
industry in Sternberk(g), between (1800-1948) would be greatly appreciated.

I would love to hear >from anyone who has Sternberk(g) ancestor's.
Information on the town's "post-war" Sudeten expulsions (80% of town) to
Germany & Russia, pre-communist history, etc. (besides what's on
www.sternberk.cz).

Perhaps you own the book by: STIEF, W. "Geschichte der Stadt Sternberg in
Maehren" pub. 1934 in German?
*I am especially looking for any knowledge of
the "HEEG + FRIEDMANN" textile factory and the FRIEDMANN & KLIMES(CH)
families. Perhaps your ancestor's did business with the factory or even
worked there?

**With headquarters in Vienna, sometimes between (1850-1880) the FRIEDMANN
family built a "Textile Factory" in Sternberk(g), Moravia named: "HEEG +
FRIEDMANN". It was one of "two large factories" in Sternberk(g), employing
approx. (200-400) people. The other firm being "GROGER". Both factories and
properties were confiscated in 1945 by the Czech state (Benes Decrees). In
1946 the "GROGER" firm became "Moravia" (appliance mfg.), currently "Mora
Moravia". It took until 1948 before an "official confiscation document" was
issued by the town re; "HEEG + FRIEDMANN" textile. Sternberk(g) did not know
what to do with the factory for several years and "demolished" it in 1948,
most likely because the Communists were coming to power "officially".

My mother Heidi (nee FRIEDMANN) KLIMES(CH) was the only one who stayed
behind in Sternberk(g), as a result of meeting captain Miroslav ROHEL in
1947. Prior to meeting mom, dad was a "prisoner of war for (4) years", as a
result of "defending Czechoslovakia". However," they did not know" the
country would become "Communist" in 1948 and under Soviet Union control,
with closed borders.

Thank you, perhaps you have something on the town of Sternberk(g).

Researching: R. Sinai
LOEW (Worms, Prague, Posen), FRIEDMANN (Poland, Wienna), BACH (Wienna), BOHM
(Nikosburg, Wienna), GRUNFELD (Humpoletz), EISLER (Nikolsburg?, Wienna), GRATZ,
LICHTENSTADT, MARKUS, SCHLACKENWERTH, SPIRA, SPIRO, SPIEGLER, TODROS, WEISS,
WIENER, WIENER-SPIRA, WOLF,etc.

Peter Rohel, Toronto, Canada
prohel<AT>sympatico.ca
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prohel/
(Rohel-Bach-Bohm-Loew + Associates)

Subject: re: The BRANDEIS family of Jung Bunzlau: Powidl and Purim, 1731

Bs"d

I prepare an anthology of Hebrew and Yiddish family scrolls for Czech public
and by the way "the Povidl affair" is one of them. It was written in Hebrew
mixed with Yiddish terms and published by M. Gruenwald (the original of the
text isn't preserved until present days). I've a copy of this text, the
article has a short German foreword and remain text is in Hebrew. As for
other articles, there are only the reference remarks to Gruenwald' article.

As for Brandeis family in Mlada Boleslav (Jungbunzlau), here is a complete
list of all members in alfabetical order (up to 1900):
- Abraham Veit b. Meir (1810)
- Avigdor Hirsch b. Rabbi Betzalel (1763)
- Bela b. Leb Meir (s.a.)
- Ber b. Josef (1683)
- Rabbi Betzalel b. Rabbi Moshe (1766)
- Chava b. David (s.a)
- David b. Hirsch Leb (1846)
- Hindl (1831)
- Keidl b. Meir (1867)
- Leb b . Treindel (1793)
- Meir David (1855)
- Rechle b. David Hirsch (1861)
- Taube b. Veit (1790)
- Reichel b. Feisch Breindls (1828)

Best wishes,
Yours sincerely

Daniel Polakovic, Prague

About the "Kosherfleischversilberer"
Just keep it simple:
versilbern = to make silver of it (silver coins) = to make money of it =
to sell it

Frank Feiner, Rotterdam NL
researching:
FEINER, GRAB, SPITZER, WASSERVOGEL, BLECHNER, HILFREICH, DOHAN,
GRUENBAUM and TUTTMAN from: Austria; Slovakia; Hungary and Bukovina

Subject: re: The BRANDEIS family of Jung Bunzlau: Powidl and Purim, 1731

Bs"d

I prepare an anthology of Hebrew and Yiddish family scrolls for Czech public
and by the way "the Povidl affair" is one of them. It was written in Hebrew
mixed with Yiddish terms and published by M. Gruenwald (the original of the
text isn't preserved until present days). I've a copy of this text, the
article has a short German foreword and remain text is in Hebrew. As for
other articles, there are only the reference remarks to Gruenwald' article.

As for Brandeis family in Mlada Boleslav (Jungbunzlau), here is a complete
list of all members in alfabetical order (up to 1900):
- Abraham Veit b. Meir (1810)
- Avigdor Hirsch b. Rabbi Betzalel (1763)
- Bela b. Leb Meir (s.a.)
- Ber b. Josef (1683)
- Rabbi Betzalel b. Rabbi Moshe (1766)
- Chava b. David (s.a)
- David b. Hirsch Leb (1846)
- Hindl (1831)
- Keidl b. Meir (1867)
- Leb b . Treindel (1793)
- Meir David (1855)
- Rechle b. David Hirsch (1861)
- Taube b. Veit (1790)
- Reichel b. Feisch Breindls (1828)

Best wishes,
Yours sincerely

Daniel Polakovic, Prague

About the "Kosherfleischversilberer"
Just keep it simple:
versilbern = to make silver of it (silver coins) = to make money of it =
to sell it

Frank Feiner, Rotterdam NL
researching:
FEINER, GRAB, SPITZER, WASSERVOGEL, BLECHNER, HILFREICH, DOHAN,
GRUENBAUM and TUTTMAN from: Austria; Slovakia; Hungary and Bukovina

Dear Members,

Although I have "Rabbi Sinai Loew" (Maharal's brother) descendant names, I
have not been able to find any information on the names:
"Michl/Michal/Michael WIENER-SPIRA (SPIRO)" and his son "David WIENER-SPIRA
(SPIRO)". Since the LOEW family came >from Worms, Prague and Posen, tracing
information of their "spouses" is difficult.

*I also realize there are many Spira (Spiro) name variations: Shapiro,
Shapira, Szpiro, Szapir, Saphir, Saper, Sapir, Safir, Shpir, Shuper and
Super. The name derived >from Speyer, Bavaria, Germany in the 14th century.
Originally bore the name "Ashkenazi," to distinguish it >from the Kahane or
Katz-Spira family, prominent families of Bohemia added to their names, e.g.,
Frankl-Spiro, WIENER-SPIRO, Porges-Spiro. Branch is descended >from Solomon
SPIRA in 14th century, a descendant of Rashi. Spira (Spiro) in Jewish Enc.
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1017&;letter=S&search=spira

Any help with my WIENER-SPIRA search or TODROS, WIENER, MARKUS & GRATZ names
is very much appreciated. Beside LOEW's, I am not sure who else was a Rabbi.


*Rabbi Sinai LOEW (b. ca 1508 Worms, d. 1607 Kolin), Rabbi of Nikolsburg
(brother of the MAHARAL), was the son of Bezalel ben Haim LOEW. Rabbi Sinai
LOEW married Chana Enokh WESSELS (Khana Enokh WESSELS).

*Rabbi Chaim (ben Sinai) LOEW Born: 1545 Died: 1620 + Krasna (bat GABRIEL)

*Judith LOEW + Eleasor TODROS Died: 1635

*Perl TODROS + Michl (s. David) WIENER-SPIRA Died: 1691

*David (s . Michl) WIENER-SPIRA + Mirl (t. Sinai) SCHLACKKENWERTH
Died: 1681 Father: Sinai SCHLACKKENWERTH, 2nd wife Elen (t. Abraham) LICHTENSTADT

*Salman (s. David) WIENER + Malke (?)

*Bele (t. Salman) WIENER Died: 1740 + Falk MARKUS Died: 1740


*Cheyle MARKUS Died: Unknown Age at death: ? + Joseph Wolf GRATZ

Researching: R. Sinai
LOEW (Worms, Prague, Posen), FRIEDMANN (Poland, Wienna), BACH (Wienna),
BOHM (Nikosburg, Wienna), GRUNFELD(Humpoletz), EISLER (Nikolsburg?, Wienna),
GRATZ, LICHTENSTADT, MARKUS, SCHLACKENWERTH, SPIRA, SPIRO, SPIEGLER, TODROS,
WEISS, WIENER, WIENER-SPIRA, WOLF, etc.

Thank you for your help,
Peter Rohel
Toronto, Canada
prohel<AT>sympatico.ca
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prohel/


MODERATOR NOTE: Another source that may be helpful to you, Peter, is the Rabbinic
Genealogy SIG: http://www.jewishgen.org/Rabbinic/

Dear Members,

Although I have "Rabbi Sinai Loew" (Maharal's brother) descendant names, I
have not been able to find any information on the names:
"Michl/Michal/Michael WIENER-SPIRA (SPIRO)" and his son "David WIENER-SPIRA
(SPIRO)". Since the LOEW family came >from Worms, Prague and Posen, tracing
information of their "spouses" is difficult.

*I also realize there are many Spira (Spiro) name variations: Shapiro,
Shapira, Szpiro, Szapir, Saphir, Saper, Sapir, Safir, Shpir, Shuper and
Super. The name derived >from Speyer, Bavaria, Germany in the 14th century.
Originally bore the name "Ashkenazi," to distinguish it >from the Kahane or
Katz-Spira family, prominent families of Bohemia added to their names, e.g.,
Frankl-Spiro, WIENER-SPIRO, Porges-Spiro. Branch is descended >from Solomon
SPIRA in 14th century, a descendant of Rashi. Spira (Spiro) in Jewish Enc.
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1017&;letter=S&search=spira

Any help with my WIENER-SPIRA search or TODROS, WIENER, MARKUS & GRATZ names
is very much appreciated. Beside LOEW's, I am not sure who else was a Rabbi.


*Rabbi Sinai LOEW (b. ca 1508 Worms, d. 1607 Kolin), Rabbi of Nikolsburg
(brother of the MAHARAL), was the son of Bezalel ben Haim LOEW. Rabbi Sinai
LOEW married Chana Enokh WESSELS (Khana Enokh WESSELS).

*Rabbi Chaim (ben Sinai) LOEW Born: 1545 Died: 1620 + Krasna (bat GABRIEL)

*Judith LOEW + Eleasor TODROS Died: 1635

*Perl TODROS + Michl (s. David) WIENER-SPIRA Died: 1691

*David (s . Michl) WIENER-SPIRA + Mirl (t. Sinai) SCHLACKKENWERTH
Died: 1681 Father: Sinai SCHLACKKENWERTH, 2nd wife Elen (t. Abraham) LICHTENSTADT

*Salman (s. David) WIENER + Malke (?)

*Bele (t. Salman) WIENER Died: 1740 + Falk MARKUS Died: 1740


*Cheyle MARKUS Died: Unknown Age at death: ? + Joseph Wolf GRATZ

Researching: R. Sinai
LOEW (Worms, Prague, Posen), FRIEDMANN (Poland, Wienna), BACH (Wienna),
BOHM (Nikosburg, Wienna), GRUNFELD(Humpoletz), EISLER (Nikolsburg?, Wienna),
GRATZ, LICHTENSTADT, MARKUS, SCHLACKENWERTH, SPIRA, SPIRO, SPIEGLER, TODROS,
WEISS, WIENER, WIENER-SPIRA, WOLF, etc.

Thank you for your help,
Peter Rohel
Toronto, Canada
prohel<AT>sympatico.ca
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prohel/


MODERATOR NOTE: Another source that may be helpful to you, Peter, is the Rabbinic
Genealogy SIG: http://www.jewishgen.org/Rabbinic/

Shalom to all,

I'm new in this Sig.

I'm looking for any help in locating a living person in Vienna Austria.
His name is Gedalia GROISMAN, he should be living in Vienna.
I searched the Austrian telephone directory and found a man by this name
[Gedal] . But can't be sure this him, we phoned him - he didn't answered.
Is there a way to locate him through the Jewish community in Vienna ?
Or if there is another way locating him ?

Any help will be appreciated.
Please respond privately,

Amira Mashiah, Israel
amira_m@masaryk.org.il

Shalom to all,

I'm new in this Sig.

I'm looking for any help in locating a living person in Vienna Austria.
His name is Gedalia GROISMAN, he should be living in Vienna.
I searched the Austrian telephone directory and found a man by this name
[Gedal] . But can't be sure this him, we phoned him - he didn't answered.
Is there a way to locate him through the Jewish community in Vienna ?
Or if there is another way locating him ?

Any help will be appreciated.
Please respond privately,

Amira Mashiah, Israel
amira_m@masaryk.org.il

Hi- I had a similar problem years ago. I contacted the nearest Russian
Orthodox church & the Father there referred me to a member who was able
to do all the translations perfectly. No direct payment was asked only
a requyest that a donation to their Church would be appreciated.
Al Klayman- Deerfield Beach, FL

Hi- I had a similar problem years ago. I contacted the nearest Russian
Orthodox church & the Father there referred me to a member who was able
to do all the translations perfectly. No direct payment was asked only
a requyest that a donation to their Church would be appreciated.
Al Klayman- Deerfield Beach, FL