Hello all;

I've got a problem that I hope someone can help me with.

I am trying to obtain information about a woman who was institutionalized
somewhere in the period of 1915 - 1920 on eastern Long Island. The name of
the institution is unknown, but the person in question died while a patient
(probably in the 1950's or 60's) and is buried in the Institution's own
graveyard. Her name was Rose Klein nee Kramer, and she was born in 1891.

We believe she suffered >from Post-partum depression after the birth of her
second child, and her husband placed her in an institution shortly
thereafter, where she remained the remainder of her life. It is presumed to
be a mental institution.

Since she had no SS #, is not in a known cemetery and there was no known
next of kin involved, it is hard to find information about her.

Would anyone know of a mental institution on eastern Long Island that would
have existed in 1915 to 1920 and which has its own cemetery? Or can anyone
tell me how to locate this information?

Thank you for any help or insight you may be able to shed on this problem.

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net

Hello all;

I've got a problem that I hope someone can help me with.

I am trying to obtain information about a woman who was institutionalized
somewhere in the period of 1915 - 1920 on eastern Long Island. The name of
the institution is unknown, but the person in question died while a patient
(probably in the 1950's or 60's) and is buried in the Institution's own
graveyard. Her name was Rose Klein nee Kramer, and she was born in 1891.

We believe she suffered >from Post-partum depression after the birth of her
second child, and her husband placed her in an institution shortly
thereafter, where she remained the remainder of her life. It is presumed to
be a mental institution.

Since she had no SS #, is not in a known cemetery and there was no known
next of kin involved, it is hard to find information about her.

Would anyone know of a mental institution on eastern Long Island that would
have existed in 1915 to 1920 and which has its own cemetery? Or can anyone
tell me how to locate this information?

Thank you for any help or insight you may be able to shed on this problem.

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net

Does anyone have a suggestion for where to find the rules
and regulations for the military service of Jews in Russia.
We all hear about the 25 years .... but I know of one emigre
who had served 7 years and were then free to settle whereever
he wanted and also to travel out of the country....

I would like to know the years of the laws passed with regards
to this topic.

I have tried to find the information in Dubnow: "History of the Jews
in Poland and Russia", but besides the first law in the 1820ies
I can't find any mention of the later reduction of years of service.
Can anyone help?

Thanking you in advance

Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk

I am seeking information on the Mutual Kiev Burial Society in New York City
for the years 1885 to 1925. Who were the members, where were they from?
Thank you,
Lois Kahn
loisgk@adelphia.net

Does anyone have a suggestion for where to find the rules
and regulations for the military service of Jews in Russia.
We all hear about the 25 years .... but I know of one emigre
who had served 7 years and were then free to settle whereever
he wanted and also to travel out of the country....

I would like to know the years of the laws passed with regards
to this topic.

I have tried to find the information in Dubnow: "History of the Jews
in Poland and Russia", but besides the first law in the 1820ies
I can't find any mention of the later reduction of years of service.
Can anyone help?

Thanking you in advance

Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk

I am seeking information on the Mutual Kiev Burial Society in New York City
for the years 1885 to 1925. Who were the members, where were they from?
Thank you,
Lois Kahn
loisgk@adelphia.net

Dear Cousins,

Whenever I see documents on-line >from Minsk Gubernya that include the
surname MELNIK, I find two spellings, the former and MEL'NIK. Does anyone
know what the apostrophized version indicates?

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ

Dear Cousins,

Whenever I see documents on-line >from Minsk Gubernya that include the
surname MELNIK, I find two spellings, the former and MEL'NIK. Does anyone
know what the apostrophized version indicates?

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ

Dear JG'er's.

Several recent postings have requested help in finding information in
foreign countries.

Since there are fellow Jewish genealogical researchers in almost every
foreign country, there are also Jewish Genealogical Societies in these
countries. Since most of them are members of the International
Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies, their addresses are listed
on the site of the IAJGS, which I have mentioned previously and which is
www.iajgs.org. Click on the square marked Members. The member
societies are listed by Country and then cities. The street addresses
are given as well as e-mail address for the president as well as come
other members.

You can send your questions about anything and if they don't have the
answer they'll certainly be able to direct you to someone who does.
About a year ago, I needed the addresses of Rosenwaxes in Melbourne,
Australia and e-mailed the Melbourne chapter of the Australian JGS and
they put me on the White Pages for Melbourne through which I found a
remote cousin who had a family chart which included my wife's paternal
greatgrand parents and which ttook us back to 1772.

Dear JG'er's.

Several recent postings have requested help in finding information in
foreign countries.

Since there are fellow Jewish genealogical researchers in almost every
foreign country, there are also Jewish Genealogical Societies in these
countries. Since most of them are members of the International
Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies, their addresses are listed
on the site of the IAJGS, which I have mentioned previously and which is
www.iajgs.org. Click on the square marked Members. The member
societies are listed by Country and then cities. The street addresses
are given as well as e-mail address for the president as well as come
other members.

You can send your questions about anything and if they don't have the
answer they'll certainly be able to direct you to someone who does.
About a year ago, I needed the addresses of Rosenwaxes in Melbourne,
Australia and e-mailed the Melbourne chapter of the Australian JGS and
they put me on the White Pages for Melbourne through which I found a
remote cousin who had a family chart which included my wife's paternal
greatgrand parents and which ttook us back to 1772.

Mimi Katz asked about the contents of California death certificates in
1946, and specifically whether they would include the place of birth of
the decedent's parents.

California death certificates will generally contain the names and
birthplaces of parents >from 1905 forward. The content of the
certificates varied >from year to year, as the state changed its
requirements periodically.

In 1946, California death certificates contained the following
information: full name, place of death (including length of residence),
decedent's usual address, military service, Social Security #, sex,
race, marital status, spouse's name & age, birth date of decedent,
age, birthplace, occupation & type of business, parents' names and
birthplaces, informant, date & place of burial, funeral director, date &
time of death, causes of death & contributary factors, doctor's dates of
treatment & date last seen alive, name & address of doctor, &
information regarding injury or suicide, etc.

Ted Gostin
Los Angeles, CA
tedgostin@generationspress.com

Dear Mimi and Genners,

The question is:

Can someone please tell me if a 1946 death certificate >from California might
give the place of birth of the deceased's *father* or *mother*?

A California death certificate will list this information *only* if the
informant knew it. I have a California death certificate >from 1933 that
lists both birth town and country for the parents of the decedent.
However, I have later death certificates that list only the country of
birth -- as that was all the informant knew.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA

Mimi Katz asked about the contents of California death certificates in
1946, and specifically whether they would include the place of birth of
the decedent's parents.

California death certificates will generally contain the names and
birthplaces of parents >from 1905 forward. The content of the
certificates varied >from year to year, as the state changed its
requirements periodically.

In 1946, California death certificates contained the following
information: full name, place of death (including length of residence),
decedent's usual address, military service, Social Security #, sex,
race, marital status, spouse's name & age, birth date of decedent,
age, birthplace, occupation & type of business, parents' names and
birthplaces, informant, date & place of burial, funeral director, date &
time of death, causes of death & contributary factors, doctor's dates of
treatment & date last seen alive, name & address of doctor, &
information regarding injury or suicide, etc.

Ted Gostin
Los Angeles, CA
tedgostin@generationspress.com

Dear Mimi and Genners,

The question is:

Can someone please tell me if a 1946 death certificate >from California might
give the place of birth of the deceased's *father* or *mother*?

A California death certificate will list this information *only* if the
informant knew it. I have a California death certificate >from 1933 that
lists both birth town and country for the parents of the decedent.
However, I have later death certificates that list only the country of
birth -- as that was all the informant knew.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA

I would be very pleased if someone has any information that would enable us to
trace these people or their descendants. A specific interest at present is in
connection with the unveiling of a memorial to members of the family who were
deported >from Vienna.

The details of the family, with the rather meagre and possibly incorrect
information that we currently have, are:

Dr Siegfried SCHICK, lawyer, was born on 17 Feb 1865 in Neubidschow in Bohemia. He
was deported >from Wien 9, Berggasse 25/28 to Riga on 4 Dec 1941.)
He was married on 6 Mar 1898 in Vienna to Thekla JERUSALEM (born 11 Apr 1875 in
Drenice, Bohemia & died 29 Dec 1929 in Vienna. She was originally buried in
Doebling Cemetery, Vienna).

They had two daughters:
Anna, who seemed to be known as Mizzi, SCHICK was born 12 Oct 1900 in Vienna. It
is thought that she perished in the Holocaust though her name has not yet been
found in any records. There is a possibility that she went >from Vienna to
Yugoslavia just before WW2, or maybe in 1940/41. If so she might have been placed
in a Concentration Camp there. [ Maybe someone knows of documentation relating to
Jews in Yugoslavia]It is believed that she was married three times. The first
marriage was before 1930 to Alois or Julius BAUER. The second was on 28 Oct 1930
to Alois JAROSCH (born 4 Oct 1892 in Schönau). They were divorced around June
1939. The Third marriage was to FUCHS around 1941, place unknown. Anna (Mizzi) had
one daughter: Eva JAROSCH who was born on 25 Apr 1931. She was sent >from Vienna to
the Netherlands on 20 Feb 1939. It is believed that she was then sent on a
Kindertranport to England, and was married there. Her name at one time was Eva
PARKER, but that might not be her current surname. Perhaps someone has access to a
list of children on such transports and can identify her >from that.

The other daughter was Auguste (Gusti) SCHICK, born 05 May 1904 in Vienna. She was
married to Heinz (Heinrich) HUESCHER in Vienna. They managed to emigrate to the
US, and possibly lived in the San Francisco area. After Heinz's death, Auguste may
have remarried.

I look forward to hearing >from anyone who has any clues, ideas or concrete
information.

Thank you

Peter Lowe
Hertford, England
Website with information on Bohemian families:ADLER (Amschelberg), EISNER
(Amschelberg & Kolin), FUERTH (Amschelberg), JERUSALEM, BEYKOVSKY, THORSCH,
KOPPERL: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/index.htm

I would be very pleased if someone has any information that would enable us to
trace these people or their descendants. A specific interest at present is in
connection with the unveiling of a memorial to members of the family who were
deported >from Vienna.

The details of the family, with the rather meagre and possibly incorrect
information that we currently have, are:

Dr Siegfried SCHICK, lawyer, was born on 17 Feb 1865 in Neubidschow in Bohemia. He
was deported >from Wien 9, Berggasse 25/28 to Riga on 4 Dec 1941.)
He was married on 6 Mar 1898 in Vienna to Thekla JERUSALEM (born 11 Apr 1875 in
Drenice, Bohemia & died 29 Dec 1929 in Vienna. She was originally buried in
Doebling Cemetery, Vienna).

They had two daughters:
Anna, who seemed to be known as Mizzi, SCHICK was born 12 Oct 1900 in Vienna. It
is thought that she perished in the Holocaust though her name has not yet been
found in any records. There is a possibility that she went >from Vienna to
Yugoslavia just before WW2, or maybe in 1940/41. If so she might have been placed
in a Concentration Camp there. [ Maybe someone knows of documentation relating to
Jews in Yugoslavia]It is believed that she was married three times. The first
marriage was before 1930 to Alois or Julius BAUER. The second was on 28 Oct 1930
to Alois JAROSCH (born 4 Oct 1892 in Schönau). They were divorced around June
1939. The Third marriage was to FUCHS around 1941, place unknown. Anna (Mizzi) had
one daughter: Eva JAROSCH who was born on 25 Apr 1931. She was sent >from Vienna to
the Netherlands on 20 Feb 1939. It is believed that she was then sent on a
Kindertranport to England, and was married there. Her name at one time was Eva
PARKER, but that might not be her current surname. Perhaps someone has access to a
list of children on such transports and can identify her >from that.

The other daughter was Auguste (Gusti) SCHICK, born 05 May 1904 in Vienna. She was
married to Heinz (Heinrich) HUESCHER in Vienna. They managed to emigrate to the
US, and possibly lived in the San Francisco area. After Heinz's death, Auguste may
have remarried.

I look forward to hearing >from anyone who has any clues, ideas or concrete
information.

Thank you

Peter Lowe
Hertford, England
Website with information on Bohemian families:ADLER (Amschelberg), EISNER
(Amschelberg & Kolin), FUERTH (Amschelberg), JERUSALEM, BEYKOVSKY, THORSCH,
KOPPERL: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/index.htm

Thanks to all of you that offered to help re: my Rehovot lookup. I have had great
response!

There's another angle that I just discovered. Because Tzril Milgrom Hiatt
immigrated to Palestine >from Kishinev around 1906, I believe her mother may have
died right before Tzril and her husband immigrated. I suspect that her mother,
Suri Milgrom, may be buried in Kishinev. I had heard that Suri Milgrom lived with
Tzyril and her husband, Bencene.
How do I f ind someone buried in Kishinev around 1906? Thanks for your help.
Marilyn Feingold

MILGROM,KORMAN-Tulchin SCHLAFFER, SZAFIR-Kamenka ( Moldova)
PEKARSKY/SOKOLOFSKY-Tashkent/Israel STEINBERG/LERNER/ELKUS/MILGROM/Odessa
TESLER/MALAMUD/LUBER-Kamenka (Moldova) ROSENTHAL-Worone/Pittsburgh
MILTER-Kodima (Moldova) TONKONOGY-Frunza (Tashkent)

Thanks to all of you that offered to help re: my Rehovot lookup. I have had great
response!

There's another angle that I just discovered. Because Tzril Milgrom Hiatt
immigrated to Palestine >from Kishinev around 1906, I believe her mother may have
died right before Tzril and her husband immigrated. I suspect that her mother,
Suri Milgrom, may be buried in Kishinev. I had heard that Suri Milgrom lived with
Tzyril and her husband, Bencene.
How do I f ind someone buried in Kishinev around 1906? Thanks for your help.
Marilyn Feingold

MILGROM,KORMAN-Tulchin SCHLAFFER, SZAFIR-Kamenka ( Moldova)
PEKARSKY/SOKOLOFSKY-Tashkent/Israel STEINBERG/LERNER/ELKUS/MILGROM/Odessa
TESLER/MALAMUD/LUBER-Kamenka (Moldova) ROSENTHAL-Worone/Pittsburgh
MILTER-Kodima (Moldova) TONKONOGY-Frunza (Tashkent)

Jonathan Borchard wrote on 08 mrt 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

There is a lot of documentry information about the family in Eysden, nr
Maastricht in the late 1700's to about 1815.

Seen this?
<http://www.nljewgen.org/content/forum2.html>;

Today I came across the name Hartog JACOB on Genlias, the wonderful Dutch
website where the various archives are trying to put out details of all their
holdings back to the 1700's (http://www.genlias.nl) .

I can't be sure this is the right man - it is an entry concerning the death of
his wife Hester SCHAAP who died aged 69 on August 09th, 1812. her parents were
Levy Moses SCHAAP

Mozes, not Moses

Its a stupid question I know, but would the name Hartog Jacob be an uncommon one
or not at that time?!!!!

Before the Napoleontic occupation 1794-1812, many [and most Jews] had no family
name. French law made them all citizens and ordered them to choose a family name.

Hartog [ben] JACOB should have been common, while his brothers name could have
been:
Calman [ben] JACOB Medex.

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)

Jonathan Borchard wrote on 08 mrt 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

There is a lot of documentry information about the family in Eysden, nr
Maastricht in the late 1700's to about 1815.

Seen this?
<http://www.nljewgen.org/content/forum2.html>;

Today I came across the name Hartog JACOB on Genlias, the wonderful Dutch
website where the various archives are trying to put out details of all their
holdings back to the 1700's (http://www.genlias.nl) .

I can't be sure this is the right man - it is an entry concerning the death of
his wife Hester SCHAAP who died aged 69 on August 09th, 1812. her parents were
Levy Moses SCHAAP

Mozes, not Moses

Its a stupid question I know, but would the name Hartog Jacob be an uncommon one
or not at that time?!!!!

Before the Napoleontic occupation 1794-1812, many [and most Jews] had no family
name. French law made them all citizens and ordered them to choose a family name.

Hartog [ben] JACOB should have been common, while his brothers name could have
been:
Calman [ben] JACOB Medex.

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)