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Genealogy and Mixed Marriage #general

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

The topic "Genealogy and mixed Marriage" has cropped up in my circle, and although
I personally have my own views, I would like to hear the views of professional
Genealogists on this. Is it fair to exclude a member of one's family >from a family
tree due to intermarriage?

As a matter of interest a very interesting talk was given on this subject in
"Dealing with Skeletons in the Cupboard" at the Salt Lake City 2000 Conference.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@...


Slebada Dedisna #general

Aliza <alizam@...>
 

Dear Genners,
On my great grandmothers tombstone, under her name it says: "Slebada Dedisna" in
Hebrew letters.
Does anyone know what that means?
Her name was Toba Leah STEINHART.

Their are some shtetles that are close to the first word, but nothing comes up for
Dedisna. This family lived in the area of Vitebsk Belarus.

Thank you,
Aliza Maor
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogy and Mixed Marriage #general

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

The topic "Genealogy and mixed Marriage" has cropped up in my circle, and although
I personally have my own views, I would like to hear the views of professional
Genealogists on this. Is it fair to exclude a member of one's family >from a family
tree due to intermarriage?

As a matter of interest a very interesting talk was given on this subject in
"Dealing with Skeletons in the Cupboard" at the Salt Lake City 2000 Conference.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Slebada Dedisna #general

Aliza <alizam@...>
 

Dear Genners,
On my great grandmothers tombstone, under her name it says: "Slebada Dedisna" in
Hebrew letters.
Does anyone know what that means?
Her name was Toba Leah STEINHART.

Their are some shtetles that are close to the first word, but nothing comes up for
Dedisna. This family lived in the area of Vitebsk Belarus.

Thank you,
Aliza Maor
Israel


Re: Rav Moshe FEINSTEIN had some Chassidic ancestry #rabbinic

Yisrael Asper
 

On 2005.01.31, Raanan Isseroff <raanan1@...> wrote

It is true what Yisrael Asper said about the Chossid/Misnaggid
stance. But, family is family, so for the formality of a wedding,
everything is usually put aside and people come together to
celebrate.
This is true for today but two hundred years ago when the movements
left of the followers of the false Mashiach Shabtai Tzvi were
degenerating into apostasy and AntiTalmudism and even turning
Shabtai Tzvi into a god it was to be worried >from the perspective of
an outside observer at least if this new movement including like
with many of Shabtai Tzvi's early followers pious Jews, Chasidism
would similarly degenerate.

Is it true that the Lubavitcher Rebbe called the Tzemach Tzedek of
Lubavitch had said that Chassidism without the opposition of the
Vilna Gaon could have produced AntiTalmudic movements too?

Yisrael Asper
Pittsburgh PA
mailto:yisraelasper@...

[Moderator's Note: Please keep further discussion within the
confines of Rabbinic Genealogy.]


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Rav Moshe FEINSTEIN had some Chassidic ancestry #rabbinic

Yisrael Asper
 

On 2005.01.31, Raanan Isseroff <raanan1@...> wrote

It is true what Yisrael Asper said about the Chossid/Misnaggid
stance. But, family is family, so for the formality of a wedding,
everything is usually put aside and people come together to
celebrate.
This is true for today but two hundred years ago when the movements
left of the followers of the false Mashiach Shabtai Tzvi were
degenerating into apostasy and AntiTalmudism and even turning
Shabtai Tzvi into a god it was to be worried >from the perspective of
an outside observer at least if this new movement including like
with many of Shabtai Tzvi's early followers pious Jews, Chasidism
would similarly degenerate.

Is it true that the Lubavitcher Rebbe called the Tzemach Tzedek of
Lubavitch had said that Chassidism without the opposition of the
Vilna Gaon could have produced AntiTalmudic movements too?

Yisrael Asper
Pittsburgh PA
mailto:yisraelasper@...

[Moderator's Note: Please keep further discussion within the
confines of Rabbinic Genealogy.]


Re: R' David Tevele ben Natan #rabbinic

LR <lreich@...>
 

On 2005.01.28, Valerie Schatzker <syringa@...> asked:

if anyone has information about the genealogy of Rabbi David
Tevele ben Natan who served in Lissa (now Leszno) in Posen from
1774 to 1792. His father was R. Natan of Brody. I am particularly
interested in the descendants of one of his Rabbi Tevele's sons who
took the name AMKRAUT. [...]
There is an account of Rabbi David Tevele's scholarship and
significance in Louis Lewin's "Geschichte der Juden in Lissa."
It was >from this book that I learned that one of his sons, Rabbi
Herz, lived in Poland. The book also mentions his grandson, Rabbi
Alexander Sender Chaim AMKRAUT [...] It is possible that Rabbi Herz
was the son who took the name AMKRAUT [...]
There is an entry on Rabbi Alexander Chaim AMKRAUT in Wunder's
Meorei Galicia [...]
I have not seen Louis Lewin's book but can tell you a little of
R' Dovid Tevele's ancestry taken >from "Ateres Poz" by Mordechai
Weitz (Kalisch 1933).

R' Dovid's father was (as stated above) R' Noson Nota of Brody. The
latter was the son of R' Aryeh Leib of Grodno. R' Aryeh Leib's
father was aalso called R' Noson Nota. He was a Rav in Tarnigrod.
This R' Noson Nota's father was a R' Yaakov of Lublin, whose mother
was a daughter of the Megaleh Amukos (R' Noson Shapiro), whose grave
can be visted in Cracow. The aforementioned R' Yaakov of Lublin was
a son-in-law of R' Shmuel Rechel's of Lublin, a scion of the Chajes
clan. This R' Shmuel emigrated to Eretz Yisroel an enjoyed the title
of Nasi.

There are two entries for (related?) AMKRAUTs in Wunder's Ency., the
above mentioned Alexander Chaim (A desc. of one R' Yoseph Asher) and
one Yaakov Moshe. The latter was a printer in Przemysl (ca. 1880-
1900). The volume does not mention any connection to R' Dovid
Tevele.

Leslie Reich


Re: MEISELS/MAYZLESH in Poland? #rabbinic

LR <lreich@...>
 

)n 2005.01.30, Lainey Melnick <lmelnick@...> enquired:

I've been able to get a little more information >from the 1765 Duchy
Lists >from Vilna on my MEISELS branch and now have been able to find
that Rabbi Moshe MEISELS (1759-1849) was the son of Mordecai
(Morduch) who was the son of another Moshe [...] I found a
Rabbi Moshe Zvi MAIZLISH (1720-1800) [...]. It says that he was
from Zolkiew, Lwow Gub., Poland. I'm wondering if this could be the
same Moshe. His daugher Frida married Rabbi Avigder HaLevi HOROWITZ
(d. 1831).
The information Lainey has received seems to be only partly correct.

The MEISELS families in Eastern Europe were extensive. I don't know
if there is any published researched to show if they were all
related. What follows comes >from a reliable source; Kirya Nisgavah,
a listing of rabbis in Zolkiev by a great scholar (one who often
admitted ignorance and published corrections) Solomon Buber.

R' (Moshe) Zvi MEIZELS, who died in 1800 (18 Kislev) in Zolkiev, was
a son of R' Shimshon MEISELS. This R' Shimshon was first Rav of
Chiechanov, then became Rabbi of Zolkiev. He then passed on the
rabbinate in Zolkiev to his son R' (Moshe) Zvi and became Rav again
of Chiechanov, where he died (9 Sivan 1769) and is buried!

This R' Shimshon was a son of a R'Yaakov and R' Yaakov was a son of
R' Zvi Hersh of Belz.

As stated by the enquirer, R' (Moshe) Zvi's daughter, Frida, married
a Rabbi Avigdor HOROWITZ. He was Rav of Kaminka. Curiously,
R' (Moshe) Zvi also has a son called Avigdor. He was Rav of Bilgorai.

There is a volume of Responsa called "Chemdah G'nuzah" by R' (Moshe)
Zvi, published (I think) by his son in Lvov in 1871, which I do not
possess. It is likely that further genealogical information would be
found therein. I am sure a professional researcher will easily find
a lot more about this family in published works.

Leslie Reich


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: R' David Tevele ben Natan #rabbinic

LR <lreich@...>
 

On 2005.01.28, Valerie Schatzker <syringa@...> asked:

if anyone has information about the genealogy of Rabbi David
Tevele ben Natan who served in Lissa (now Leszno) in Posen from
1774 to 1792. His father was R. Natan of Brody. I am particularly
interested in the descendants of one of his Rabbi Tevele's sons who
took the name AMKRAUT. [...]
There is an account of Rabbi David Tevele's scholarship and
significance in Louis Lewin's "Geschichte der Juden in Lissa."
It was >from this book that I learned that one of his sons, Rabbi
Herz, lived in Poland. The book also mentions his grandson, Rabbi
Alexander Sender Chaim AMKRAUT [...] It is possible that Rabbi Herz
was the son who took the name AMKRAUT [...]
There is an entry on Rabbi Alexander Chaim AMKRAUT in Wunder's
Meorei Galicia [...]
I have not seen Louis Lewin's book but can tell you a little of
R' Dovid Tevele's ancestry taken >from "Ateres Poz" by Mordechai
Weitz (Kalisch 1933).

R' Dovid's father was (as stated above) R' Noson Nota of Brody. The
latter was the son of R' Aryeh Leib of Grodno. R' Aryeh Leib's
father was aalso called R' Noson Nota. He was a Rav in Tarnigrod.
This R' Noson Nota's father was a R' Yaakov of Lublin, whose mother
was a daughter of the Megaleh Amukos (R' Noson Shapiro), whose grave
can be visted in Cracow. The aforementioned R' Yaakov of Lublin was
a son-in-law of R' Shmuel Rechel's of Lublin, a scion of the Chajes
clan. This R' Shmuel emigrated to Eretz Yisroel an enjoyed the title
of Nasi.

There are two entries for (related?) AMKRAUTs in Wunder's Ency., the
above mentioned Alexander Chaim (A desc. of one R' Yoseph Asher) and
one Yaakov Moshe. The latter was a printer in Przemysl (ca. 1880-
1900). The volume does not mention any connection to R' Dovid
Tevele.

Leslie Reich


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: MEISELS/MAYZLESH in Poland? #rabbinic

LR <lreich@...>
 

)n 2005.01.30, Lainey Melnick <lmelnick@...> enquired:

I've been able to get a little more information >from the 1765 Duchy
Lists >from Vilna on my MEISELS branch and now have been able to find
that Rabbi Moshe MEISELS (1759-1849) was the son of Mordecai
(Morduch) who was the son of another Moshe [...] I found a
Rabbi Moshe Zvi MAIZLISH (1720-1800) [...]. It says that he was
from Zolkiew, Lwow Gub., Poland. I'm wondering if this could be the
same Moshe. His daugher Frida married Rabbi Avigder HaLevi HOROWITZ
(d. 1831).
The information Lainey has received seems to be only partly correct.

The MEISELS families in Eastern Europe were extensive. I don't know
if there is any published researched to show if they were all
related. What follows comes >from a reliable source; Kirya Nisgavah,
a listing of rabbis in Zolkiev by a great scholar (one who often
admitted ignorance and published corrections) Solomon Buber.

R' (Moshe) Zvi MEIZELS, who died in 1800 (18 Kislev) in Zolkiev, was
a son of R' Shimshon MEISELS. This R' Shimshon was first Rav of
Chiechanov, then became Rabbi of Zolkiev. He then passed on the
rabbinate in Zolkiev to his son R' (Moshe) Zvi and became Rav again
of Chiechanov, where he died (9 Sivan 1769) and is buried!

This R' Shimshon was a son of a R'Yaakov and R' Yaakov was a son of
R' Zvi Hersh of Belz.

As stated by the enquirer, R' (Moshe) Zvi's daughter, Frida, married
a Rabbi Avigdor HOROWITZ. He was Rav of Kaminka. Curiously,
R' (Moshe) Zvi also has a son called Avigdor. He was Rav of Bilgorai.

There is a volume of Responsa called "Chemdah G'nuzah" by R' (Moshe)
Zvi, published (I think) by his son in Lvov in 1871, which I do not
possess. It is likely that further genealogical information would be
found therein. I am sure a professional researcher will easily find
a lot more about this family in published works.

Leslie Reich


Morse Event at JGS of St. Louis #general

Jerrold Goldberg <jerryfrang@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of St. Louis

Stephen P. Morse's Code
Breaking The Code To Ellis Island and Other Genealogical Databases In One-Step

St. Louis--Stephen P. Morse, one of the Internet's premier database experts, will
be the featured speaker at the Jewish Genealogical Society of St. Louis's 10th
Anniversary on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 2:00 p.m., at United Hebrew Congregation,
13788 Conway Rd., St. Louis MO 63141.

Dr. Morse is giving two talks, "Searching Databases in One-step" and "Searching
Ellis Island's Database in One-step." Between sessions, refreshments in honor of
the Society's 10th Anniversary will be served.

Admission is $5 for non-members and free to members of Jewish Genealogical Society
of St. Louis.

When Ellis Island's database of immigrants came online, searching was frustrating
and exasperating. Dr. Morse broke the code, creating an on-line tool that finds
information in one-step. Thousands of novice and experienced genealogists use this
free on-line tool daily. On his Web site, www.stevemorse.org Dr. Morse offers
additional free one-step search forms for other genealogical databases.

Stephen Morse is an amateur genealogist who has been researching his
Russian-Jewish origins for the past few years. Two years ago, he developed some
web-based searching aids to enable him to do his own research. Much to his
surprise, his searching aids and websites have attracted attention worldwide.
Morse holds a doctorate in electrical engineering >from New York University. He
has held research positions at Bell Telephone Laboratories, IBM Watson Research
Center, GE Corporate Research and Development, and Compagnie Internationale pour
l'Informatique in France. He has been involved in development at Intel
Corporation, Alsys Inc, and Netscape Communications Corp. He has taught at CCNY,
Pratt Institute in Brooklyn, UC Berkeley, SUNY Albany, Stanford University, and
San Francisco State University. He has authored numerous technical papers,
written four textbooks, and holds three patents. He is best known as the
architect of the Intel 8086, the granddaddy of today's Pentium processor. He has
lived in San Francisco for the past 30 years.

For more information, visit our Web site: www.jewishgen.org/jgs-stlouis or contact
Ilene Wittels at igwittel@.... For more information about this topic,
or to schedule an interview with Dr. Morse contact, Joel Shedlofsky at
jshedlofsky@...

The Jewish Genealogical Society of St. Louis, affiliated with United Hebrew
Congregation was formed in 1995. The Society assists genealogists researching
their Jewish heritage.

Jerry Goldberg
President of JGS of St. Louis
314 434-2566
jerryfrang@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Morse Event at JGS of St. Louis #general

Jerrold Goldberg <jerryfrang@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of St. Louis

Stephen P. Morse's Code
Breaking The Code To Ellis Island and Other Genealogical Databases In One-Step

St. Louis--Stephen P. Morse, one of the Internet's premier database experts, will
be the featured speaker at the Jewish Genealogical Society of St. Louis's 10th
Anniversary on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 2:00 p.m., at United Hebrew Congregation,
13788 Conway Rd., St. Louis MO 63141.

Dr. Morse is giving two talks, "Searching Databases in One-step" and "Searching
Ellis Island's Database in One-step." Between sessions, refreshments in honor of
the Society's 10th Anniversary will be served.

Admission is $5 for non-members and free to members of Jewish Genealogical Society
of St. Louis.

When Ellis Island's database of immigrants came online, searching was frustrating
and exasperating. Dr. Morse broke the code, creating an on-line tool that finds
information in one-step. Thousands of novice and experienced genealogists use this
free on-line tool daily. On his Web site, www.stevemorse.org Dr. Morse offers
additional free one-step search forms for other genealogical databases.

Stephen Morse is an amateur genealogist who has been researching his
Russian-Jewish origins for the past few years. Two years ago, he developed some
web-based searching aids to enable him to do his own research. Much to his
surprise, his searching aids and websites have attracted attention worldwide.
Morse holds a doctorate in electrical engineering >from New York University. He
has held research positions at Bell Telephone Laboratories, IBM Watson Research
Center, GE Corporate Research and Development, and Compagnie Internationale pour
l'Informatique in France. He has been involved in development at Intel
Corporation, Alsys Inc, and Netscape Communications Corp. He has taught at CCNY,
Pratt Institute in Brooklyn, UC Berkeley, SUNY Albany, Stanford University, and
San Francisco State University. He has authored numerous technical papers,
written four textbooks, and holds three patents. He is best known as the
architect of the Intel 8086, the granddaddy of today's Pentium processor. He has
lived in San Francisco for the past 30 years.

For more information, visit our Web site: www.jewishgen.org/jgs-stlouis or contact
Ilene Wittels at igwittel@.... For more information about this topic,
or to schedule an interview with Dr. Morse contact, Joel Shedlofsky at
jshedlofsky@...

The Jewish Genealogical Society of St. Louis, affiliated with United Hebrew
Congregation was formed in 1995. The Society assists genealogists researching
their Jewish heritage.

Jerry Goldberg
President of JGS of St. Louis
314 434-2566
jerryfrang@...


Re: 25th IAJGS International Jewish Genealogical Conference #latvia

KethZerdin@...
 

Barry

I will be attending.

Keith Zerdin
KethZerdin@...


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: 25th IAJGS International Jewish Genealogical Conference #latvia

KethZerdin@...
 

Barry

I will be attending.

Keith Zerdin
KethZerdin@...


JOWBR cemetery searches #romania

Joyce Field
 

Paul Linhardt asked if one can view all the entries in a JOWBR
cemetery file. The simple answer is that there is no way to get a
complete list of burials in any one cemetery. For security reasons
and to protect our data, JewishGen's databases are searchable
databases only and the number of hits you can receive on any search
are limited.

Joyce Field
jfield@...


Romania SIG #Romania JOWBR cemetery searches #romania

Joyce Field
 

Paul Linhardt asked if one can view all the entries in a JOWBR
cemetery file. The simple answer is that there is no way to get a
complete list of burials in any one cemetery. For security reasons
and to protect our data, JewishGen's databases are searchable
databases only and the number of hits you can receive on any search
are limited.

Joyce Field
jfield@...


SMITH #lithuania

MAURINEMF@...
 

Dear All:

This is to thank you one and all for the marvelous response to my request for
a suggestion re: my Father's name of Smith and what it could have been in
Russia.

You are all wonderful and I sincerely appreciate all of you who responded.
So many of your suggestions and advice is quite promising and I hope to use
them in trying to do some further research.

Having read all your ideas and advice I find that there are avenues I have
available and never pursued. I fully intend to do so now.

I am retaining all of your emails and will let all of you know if I am
successful.

Thank you once again.
Maurine Starr
Boca Raton
Researching: Indursky, Kogan and now Smith
Vilnius, Krislavi, Daugai, Trakai


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania SMITH #lithuania

MAURINEMF@...
 

Dear All:

This is to thank you one and all for the marvelous response to my request for
a suggestion re: my Father's name of Smith and what it could have been in
Russia.

You are all wonderful and I sincerely appreciate all of you who responded.
So many of your suggestions and advice is quite promising and I hope to use
them in trying to do some further research.

Having read all your ideas and advice I find that there are avenues I have
available and never pursued. I fully intend to do so now.

I am retaining all of your emails and will let all of you know if I am
successful.

Thank you once again.
Maurine Starr
Boca Raton
Researching: Indursky, Kogan and now Smith
Vilnius, Krislavi, Daugai, Trakai


Bialystok and Area Researchers - New Website Now Online #poland

Bialystoker
 

Dear Bialystok Area Researchers:

BialyGen, the Bialystok Region Jewish Genealogy Group, and its mailing
list started up in August 2003 just after the Washington DC Jewish
Genealogy Conference. At that time, the group committed to developing a
website to share research and experiences, commemorate our ancestors,
and cooperate on projects of value to Bialystok area researchers.

I am proud to announce that a BialyGen website has now been added to the
JewishGen ShtetLink website at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bialygen/homepage.htm. This is just
a start and is definitely a work in progress.

Please take a look at the website and give us your feedback. We urge
people with Bialystok area roots to please contribute to developing the
website. Ways to contribute are enumerated at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bialygen/Support.htm.

The results of two projects that have been completed by BialyGen are
shown on the website:

1. Indexing of the 1897 All Russian Census for Grodno Gubernia in
cooperation with Belarus SIG: introductory webpage with a BialyGen
region Surname list is at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bialygen/1897Census.htm.

2. The transliteration of the Yiddish people index of the Bialystoker
Photo Album, a Yizkor Book edited by David Sohn in 1951, can be found at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bialygen/Bialystok_Photo_Album_Surnames.htm.
There are links to the Index pages. In the future, this index will also
be added to the All Poland database.

I want to thank Sidney Zabludow for his help in preparing this website
and Kathryn Wallach for her work in transliterating the Bialystoker
Photo Album. Our great appreciation goes also to JewishGen for making
this all possible by hosting our website and discussion forum.

If you are interested in joining the discussion forum, please click on
"Discussion Forum" on our homepage.

Mark Halpern
Coordinator, BialyGen


JRI Poland #Poland Bialystok and Area Researchers - New Website Now Online #poland

Bialystoker
 

Dear Bialystok Area Researchers:

BialyGen, the Bialystok Region Jewish Genealogy Group, and its mailing
list started up in August 2003 just after the Washington DC Jewish
Genealogy Conference. At that time, the group committed to developing a
website to share research and experiences, commemorate our ancestors,
and cooperate on projects of value to Bialystok area researchers.

I am proud to announce that a BialyGen website has now been added to the
JewishGen ShtetLink website at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bialygen/homepage.htm. This is just
a start and is definitely a work in progress.

Please take a look at the website and give us your feedback. We urge
people with Bialystok area roots to please contribute to developing the
website. Ways to contribute are enumerated at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bialygen/Support.htm.

The results of two projects that have been completed by BialyGen are
shown on the website:

1. Indexing of the 1897 All Russian Census for Grodno Gubernia in
cooperation with Belarus SIG: introductory webpage with a BialyGen
region Surname list is at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bialygen/1897Census.htm.

2. The transliteration of the Yiddish people index of the Bialystoker
Photo Album, a Yizkor Book edited by David Sohn in 1951, can be found at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/bialygen/Bialystok_Photo_Album_Surnames.htm.
There are links to the Index pages. In the future, this index will also
be added to the All Poland database.

I want to thank Sidney Zabludow for his help in preparing this website
and Kathryn Wallach for her work in transliterating the Bialystoker
Photo Album. Our great appreciation goes also to JewishGen for making
this all possible by hosting our website and discussion forum.

If you are interested in joining the discussion forum, please click on
"Discussion Forum" on our homepage.

Mark Halpern
Coordinator, BialyGen