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Need Viewmate help -translation from Polish #poland

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

My grandfather's sister's marriage certificate has been found and I
need translation >from Polish to English. It is located at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5678.

Any help would be appreciated since this is the first information I
have of her married name and we are trying to locate her son who was
last seen in Israel in 1945.

Please respond privately to
lbw50@optonline.net.
Thank you,
Leslie Weinberg


JRI Poland #Poland Need Viewmate help -translation from Polish #poland

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

My grandfather's sister's marriage certificate has been found and I
need translation >from Polish to English. It is located at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5678.

Any help would be appreciated since this is the first information I
have of her married name and we are trying to locate her son who was
last seen in Israel in 1945.

Please respond privately to
lbw50@optonline.net.
Thank you,
Leslie Weinberg


Viewmate 5658 - Russian translation help needed #poland

genfam@...
 

Through JRI-Poland, I have recently received a document concerning the
marriage of my great-great grandparents Michael Hirsch Zolty and Chaie
Sura Szperling. Would be extremely grateful if someone could translate
this for me. VIEWMATE 5658.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5658

Please reply privately. Thank you in advance for your help!

Ed Posnak

Orlando, FL
genfam@cfl.rr.com


JRI Poland #Poland Viewmate 5658 - Russian translation help needed #poland

genfam@...
 

Through JRI-Poland, I have recently received a document concerning the
marriage of my great-great grandparents Michael Hirsch Zolty and Chaie
Sura Szperling. Would be extremely grateful if someone could translate
this for me. VIEWMATE 5658.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5658

Please reply privately. Thank you in advance for your help!

Ed Posnak

Orlando, FL
genfam@cfl.rr.com


Re: Initials on silver cutlery #france

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

In my family, on silver cutlery as well as linen (towels,
tablecloths, napkins, etc.), the initials were always the name of the
bridegroom, first, then the name of the bride. It was the same in my
husband's family (coming >from Alsace) and it's still the custom in
the whole France.
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Initials on silver cutlery #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

In my family, on silver cutlery as well as linen (towels,
tablecloths, napkins, etc.), the initials were always the name of the
bridegroom, first, then the name of the bride. It was the same in my
husband's family (coming >from Alsace) and it's still the custom in
the whole France.
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


Kadee Association #belarus

Jerome Seligsohn <jselig1315@...>
 

In order to organize the papers of a landsmanshaft
with the name of the Kadee Association, I would
appreciate hearing >from any descendants of this
organization. Using shtetl seeker I have located sound
alikes in Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, and the Ukraine.
I have eliminated countries which are not usually found
amongst landsmanshaften [Estonia, Albania, Bulgaria}.
I thank you for your cooperation.

Jerry Seligsohn
Yivo Archives Volunteer





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Belarus SIG #Belarus Kadee Association #belarus

Jerome Seligsohn <jselig1315@...>
 

In order to organize the papers of a landsmanshaft
with the name of the Kadee Association, I would
appreciate hearing >from any descendants of this
organization. Using shtetl seeker I have located sound
alikes in Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, and the Ukraine.
I have eliminated countries which are not usually found
amongst landsmanshaften [Estonia, Albania, Bulgaria}.
I thank you for your cooperation.

Jerry Seligsohn
Yivo Archives Volunteer





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Dave Fox #belarus

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

Dave,
I want to thank you for all you have done. Many people do not realize the
hard work that goes on behind the scenes.
I can't offer any expert help, but the least I can do is continue with
financial support.
With every small, or large success story, an extra donation will be sent to
the Belarus SIG.
Good luck.

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
MODERATOR NOTE: All SIG activities need funds. You can also donate in honor of
someone. Please go to www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity and follow the
instructions.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Dave Fox #belarus

Eileen Price <eileen.price@...>
 

Dave,
I want to thank you for all you have done. Many people do not realize the
hard work that goes on behind the scenes.
I can't offer any expert help, but the least I can do is continue with
financial support.
With every small, or large success story, an extra donation will be sent to
the Belarus SIG.
Good luck.

Eileen Price
Denver, CO
MODERATOR NOTE: All SIG activities need funds. You can also donate in honor of
someone. Please go to www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity and follow the
instructions.


Re: PRONIN name means what? #belarus

Elina Smirnova <smirnova-elina@...>
 

Leonid

The surname PRONIN comes >from first name Pronia. Pronia is one of the short
names >from full names Prokopii - Prokofii - Prokop. The name supposingly
comes >from greek word. The name was very popular among russians.

Elina Smirnova
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: PRONIN name means what? #belarus

Elina Smirnova <smirnova-elina@...>
 

Leonid

The surname PRONIN comes >from first name Pronia. Pronia is one of the short
names >from full names Prokopii - Prokofii - Prokop. The name supposingly
comes >from greek word. The name was very popular among russians.

Elina Smirnova
MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign all messages with your location. Also please do not
include the entire previous message or digest in your replies.


Re: Restrictions on Jewish marriages & "letters of protection" #germany

MBernet@...
 

MODERATOR REMARKS: My interpretation of these remarks by Werner Zimmt
and Michael Bernet is this: Regulations (as per Zimmt) restricted Jews
in many ways. As per MB, State leaders raised money by issuing Schutzbriefe
(letters of protection) which allowed Jews who paid up to be exempt >from those
regulations. Right? (No nit picking, please.)
I would add that records of the issuance of letters of protection
and of the payments by Jews for same are a very important source
of genealogical information - if you can find them. John Paul Lowens - MOD1

In a message dated 3/13/2005 Werner Zimmt wsz@Ag.arizona.edu writes:

" Until well into the 19th century Bavaria had laws (or statutes) designed
to limit the number of Jews that could marry. At that time only the eldest
son was allowed to marry, and he had to provide proof of : a minimum income,
a recognizable trade (in the sense of a skill like carpenter), or an estate
that would allow sufficient income."

MB ==State law or not, a Jew needed a Schutzbrief (letter of protection) from
the ruler of the political entity in which he lived. It cost money, and in
general, was available only to one person in each family. It was passed on as an
inheritance but could also be transferred to a brother or a son-in-law. It
was always profitable for the ruler, and by limiting those he issued, the
ruler could pacify the priests and the feudal tenants that they would not be
overrun by Jews. The son often had to await his father's death before he could
assume the Schutzbrief . Even then he was not "free." It was his obligation
to support the survivors in the family and, especially, to provide dowries
for his sisters so that they could finance a husband who could provide for
them and their children.

WZ " I personally believe that that was one reason that many men adopted
family names other than their father's name. That way the State couldn't
prevent them >from marrying."

MB==I don't think that was the reason. As an example, my family formed the
vast majority of Jews in the village. They assumed eight different family names.
Remember that the idea of having the same family name for all cousins was a
totally new concept and not part of Jewish tradition--but the same first
names appeared generation after generation as part of the Jewish tradition.
It was therefore quite desirable for a Suesslein Hirsch in my immediate family
to choose a new family name to distinguish him >from all the other Suesslein
Hirsches in the village.

MB ==One thing the Germans had was a very conscientious bureaucratic system,
especially when it came to tracking down Jews. Birth and other registers were
continuously updated to trace the residence, marriage and offspring of each
Jew--and the issuance of a Schutzbrief . It would have been futile to change
one's name to avoid being traced. Of course, cunning and subterfuge were
necessary and occasionally worked. Not registering the marriage and raising
"illegitimate" children was one way. Another was to acquire a specialized and rare
trade that would permit admission into a town or city. The most common
solution was migration--to Baltic or East European countries, to America, England,
France, South America.

Michael Bernet, New York mbernet@aol.com


German SIG #Germany Re: Restrictions on Jewish marriages & "letters of protection" #germany

MBernet@...
 

MODERATOR REMARKS: My interpretation of these remarks by Werner Zimmt
and Michael Bernet is this: Regulations (as per Zimmt) restricted Jews
in many ways. As per MB, State leaders raised money by issuing Schutzbriefe
(letters of protection) which allowed Jews who paid up to be exempt >from those
regulations. Right? (No nit picking, please.)
I would add that records of the issuance of letters of protection
and of the payments by Jews for same are a very important source
of genealogical information - if you can find them. John Paul Lowens - MOD1

In a message dated 3/13/2005 Werner Zimmt wsz@Ag.arizona.edu writes:

" Until well into the 19th century Bavaria had laws (or statutes) designed
to limit the number of Jews that could marry. At that time only the eldest
son was allowed to marry, and he had to provide proof of : a minimum income,
a recognizable trade (in the sense of a skill like carpenter), or an estate
that would allow sufficient income."

MB ==State law or not, a Jew needed a Schutzbrief (letter of protection) from
the ruler of the political entity in which he lived. It cost money, and in
general, was available only to one person in each family. It was passed on as an
inheritance but could also be transferred to a brother or a son-in-law. It
was always profitable for the ruler, and by limiting those he issued, the
ruler could pacify the priests and the feudal tenants that they would not be
overrun by Jews. The son often had to await his father's death before he could
assume the Schutzbrief . Even then he was not "free." It was his obligation
to support the survivors in the family and, especially, to provide dowries
for his sisters so that they could finance a husband who could provide for
them and their children.

WZ " I personally believe that that was one reason that many men adopted
family names other than their father's name. That way the State couldn't
prevent them >from marrying."

MB==I don't think that was the reason. As an example, my family formed the
vast majority of Jews in the village. They assumed eight different family names.
Remember that the idea of having the same family name for all cousins was a
totally new concept and not part of Jewish tradition--but the same first
names appeared generation after generation as part of the Jewish tradition.
It was therefore quite desirable for a Suesslein Hirsch in my immediate family
to choose a new family name to distinguish him >from all the other Suesslein
Hirsches in the village.

MB ==One thing the Germans had was a very conscientious bureaucratic system,
especially when it came to tracking down Jews. Birth and other registers were
continuously updated to trace the residence, marriage and offspring of each
Jew--and the issuance of a Schutzbrief . It would have been futile to change
one's name to avoid being traced. Of course, cunning and subterfuge were
necessary and occasionally worked. Not registering the marriage and raising
"illegitimate" children was one way. Another was to acquire a specialized and rare
trade that would permit admission into a town or city. The most common
solution was migration--to Baltic or East European countries, to America, England,
France, South America.

Michael Bernet, New York mbernet@aol.com


HARRIS photos posted on ViewMate #general

Martin Fischer
 

Seeking descendants of Gershon HARRIS and his son Moe HARRIS, and another
son and daughter and Gerson's wife, whose names are not known. Gershon
HARRIS's father was named Harry KREWIANSKI, who is believed to have lived in
Sejny, Poland. Gershon and his family are believed to have immigrated to
Cleveland, Ohio, and one or more of his children are believed to have spent
some time in a Jewish orphans home in Cleveland.

Please see Viewmate photos 5661 through 5664 at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5661
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5662
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5663
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5664

Thank you.

Martin Fischer
Oak Park, Illinois, USA
The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HARRIS photos posted on ViewMate #general

Martin Fischer
 

Seeking descendants of Gershon HARRIS and his son Moe HARRIS, and another
son and daughter and Gerson's wife, whose names are not known. Gershon
HARRIS's father was named Harry KREWIANSKI, who is believed to have lived in
Sejny, Poland. Gershon and his family are believed to have immigrated to
Cleveland, Ohio, and one or more of his children are believed to have spent
some time in a Jewish orphans home in Cleveland.

Please see Viewmate photos 5661 through 5664 at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5661
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5662
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5663
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5664

Thank you.

Martin Fischer
Oak Park, Illinois, USA
The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/


Jews as gentiles #general

Barry Boyer <barryboyer@...>
 

I would very much appreciate being directed to studies which discuss German
Jews who went to Russia and Ukraine at the invitation of Catherine. Most
particularly I am interested in those who posed as Gentiles either before
entering Russia or did so sometime during their stay there or left
Russia-Ukraine as Gentiles.

Barry

Barry, Christine, Pasha, Nastya & Katya - Sarah too!
"One Family"
Ritzville, WA, USA!
mailto:barryboyer@ritzville.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jews as gentiles #general

Barry Boyer <barryboyer@...>
 

I would very much appreciate being directed to studies which discuss German
Jews who went to Russia and Ukraine at the invitation of Catherine. Most
particularly I am interested in those who posed as Gentiles either before
entering Russia or did so sometime during their stay there or left
Russia-Ukraine as Gentiles.

Barry

Barry, Christine, Pasha, Nastya & Katya - Sarah too!
"One Family"
Ritzville, WA, USA!
mailto:barryboyer@ritzville.com


Seeking: Wife of Issakhar GLATZER of Klodzko #general

JELORRAINE
 

Dear genners, This is a repeat message, I have for quite awhile tried
to find the Wife of Issakhar Glatzer of Klodzko (formally known as Glatz)
Issakahar was my husbands grandfather and we have not been able to
Identfy grandma,
Perhaps somebody reading this will have a clue.
Many thanks Jewel Glatzer
jelorraine@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking: Wife of Issakhar GLATZER of Klodzko #general

JELORRAINE
 

Dear genners, This is a repeat message, I have for quite awhile tried
to find the Wife of Issakhar Glatzer of Klodzko (formally known as Glatz)
Issakahar was my husbands grandfather and we have not been able to
Identfy grandma,
Perhaps somebody reading this will have a clue.
Many thanks Jewel Glatzer
jelorraine@aol.com