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Haas - Detroit Relative #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

Henry L's mother told him that anyone with the name
HAAS In Detroit would be their relative.
In the North Woodward area of Michigan, that is about
20 miles of the city of Detroit, there are at least 25
names listed in the SBC's residential phone book with
the name HAAS. The next group of names are HAASE.
Maybe she meant the Hungarian word HA'Z (house). It
is pronounced the same way as HAAS. I did not find
any with the name Ha'z.

John Kovacs
Bloomfield, Michigan


Lookup Request - Groedel #hungary

Jerry Zeisler <jzeisler@...>
 

I am in search of the following documents that provide information on the
GROEDEL family:

1. Egyenloseg, 26 Sept, 1890, p. 17
2. Gelleri, Ipartorteneti vazlztok, pp. 576-578

Thank you!

Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA


Re: Naming patterns #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

as far as i know it is jewish custom NOT to name children after a living parent. unfortunately some children are named after parents who died. (for example, my great-grandfather was named "baruch ben baruch" after his late father.) however, there are exceptions to every rule, and i have seen a few "jr"s and even "III"s in jewish families (in the southern u.s., for example), but it is VERY unusual.

through jewishgen, i have heard of siblings bearing almost identical names (such as isaac and itsik), possibly where they were named after two different ancestors with similar names. but i can't imagine calling two siblings the same name - at least for practical purposes, that sounds like it would be a bad idea.

on the other hand, some places adapted the jewish practice of patronymics, and listed the father's name as if it were the child's middle name (which it really wasn't). in that case, the hebrew name "yaaqov ben yitzhaq" might be listed as "jakab itzik goldenberger" , while his brother might be "david itzik goldenberger". in this case they really share the same father, not the same name.

i don't know of any prohibition against naming a child after a deceased sibling, and we have a few of these in our family, particularly named after children lost in the holocaust. since it is considered a mitzvah to "perpetuate the name" of someone who died without having children, i would guess that some people would give the same name.


....... tom klein, toronto

alex p miller <alex.miller@juno.com> wrote:

I wonder if you have encountered unusual naming patterns in Jewish
families.(other than naming a child after a deceased ancestor)

Examples:
-Naming a child the same as a living parent
-Naming a child after a deceased sibling
-Naming two living children the same name


Searching: Yehudit BIRNBOIM, in Israel #general

alexallen@...
 

Grandson of Jeno IZSAK(Jack Isaac) searching in Israel for Yehudit
BIRNBOIM, nephew of Odon (Asher)IZSAK, orthopedic shoemaker and
shop owner, born 1889 in Tartolcz, Hungary (now Tirsolt, Romania),
resided in Berehove. Located your name as submitter of Page of
Testimony to Yad Vashem. Please contact me by e-mail
[alexallen@att.net]

ALLEN HAUSMAN
Alexandria, Virginia, USA
Jewish Gen. researcher 14033


Hungary SIG #Hungary Haas - Detroit Relative #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

Henry L's mother told him that anyone with the name
HAAS In Detroit would be their relative.
In the North Woodward area of Michigan, that is about
20 miles of the city of Detroit, there are at least 25
names listed in the SBC's residential phone book with
the name HAAS. The next group of names are HAASE.
Maybe she meant the Hungarian word HA'Z (house). It
is pronounced the same way as HAAS. I did not find
any with the name Ha'z.

John Kovacs
Bloomfield, Michigan


Hungary SIG #Hungary Lookup Request - Groedel #hungary

Jerry Zeisler <jzeisler@...>
 

I am in search of the following documents that provide information on the
GROEDEL family:

1. Egyenloseg, 26 Sept, 1890, p. 17
2. Gelleri, Ipartorteneti vazlztok, pp. 576-578

Thank you!

Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Naming patterns #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

as far as i know it is jewish custom NOT to name children after a living parent. unfortunately some children are named after parents who died. (for example, my great-grandfather was named "baruch ben baruch" after his late father.) however, there are exceptions to every rule, and i have seen a few "jr"s and even "III"s in jewish families (in the southern u.s., for example), but it is VERY unusual.

through jewishgen, i have heard of siblings bearing almost identical names (such as isaac and itsik), possibly where they were named after two different ancestors with similar names. but i can't imagine calling two siblings the same name - at least for practical purposes, that sounds like it would be a bad idea.

on the other hand, some places adapted the jewish practice of patronymics, and listed the father's name as if it were the child's middle name (which it really wasn't). in that case, the hebrew name "yaaqov ben yitzhaq" might be listed as "jakab itzik goldenberger" , while his brother might be "david itzik goldenberger". in this case they really share the same father, not the same name.

i don't know of any prohibition against naming a child after a deceased sibling, and we have a few of these in our family, particularly named after children lost in the holocaust. since it is considered a mitzvah to "perpetuate the name" of someone who died without having children, i would guess that some people would give the same name.


....... tom klein, toronto

alex p miller <alex.miller@juno.com> wrote:

I wonder if you have encountered unusual naming patterns in Jewish
families.(other than naming a child after a deceased ancestor)

Examples:
-Naming a child the same as a living parent
-Naming a child after a deceased sibling
-Naming two living children the same name


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Yehudit BIRNBOIM, in Israel #general

alexallen@...
 

Grandson of Jeno IZSAK(Jack Isaac) searching in Israel for Yehudit
BIRNBOIM, nephew of Odon (Asher)IZSAK, orthopedic shoemaker and
shop owner, born 1889 in Tartolcz, Hungary (now Tirsolt, Romania),
resided in Berehove. Located your name as submitter of Page of
Testimony to Yad Vashem. Please contact me by e-mail
[alexallen@att.net]

ALLEN HAUSMAN
Alexandria, Virginia, USA
Jewish Gen. researcher 14033


Re: Trip to Hungary #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

i don't know specifically about the stones in those towns, but *most* of the stones that i have seen have been in both hungarian and hebrew. however, it is possible that, just as elsewhere, the very orthodox might use only hebrew on a stone.

my suggestion is to photograph as much as you can, and then get help with reading the inscriptions, possibly through jewishgen's viewmate service. digital cameras are great for this purpose.

there are lots of tips on photographing stones in the jewishgen archives (but do not use shaving cream or any other chemicals). good things to have are a tripod, a spray bottle for water, and lighting control devices, like an umbrella or a piece of foil, or a large flashlight.


....... tom klein, toronto

JGyori@aol.com wrote:

I was wondering if anyone has traveled to Miskolc, Eger or any of the small
surrounding towns to do any research? Does anyone know if the tombstones are
all going to be in Hebrew only? In the JewishGen cemetery database, there's
Hungarian in the registers but I don't know about the stones. I don't read
Hebrew.


Trip and genealogy research in Budapest #hungary

Hitchans <hitchans@...>
 

I am visiting Budapest next month and would appreciate help with ideas on
how to carry out research, for instance census, birth/marriage/death records
etc. Please give addresses. Where should I start? Thank you.

Gabriela Hitchans
WEINER - Budapest


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Trip to Hungary #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

i don't know specifically about the stones in those towns, but *most* of the stones that i have seen have been in both hungarian and hebrew. however, it is possible that, just as elsewhere, the very orthodox might use only hebrew on a stone.

my suggestion is to photograph as much as you can, and then get help with reading the inscriptions, possibly through jewishgen's viewmate service. digital cameras are great for this purpose.

there are lots of tips on photographing stones in the jewishgen archives (but do not use shaving cream or any other chemicals). good things to have are a tripod, a spray bottle for water, and lighting control devices, like an umbrella or a piece of foil, or a large flashlight.


....... tom klein, toronto

JGyori@aol.com wrote:

I was wondering if anyone has traveled to Miskolc, Eger or any of the small
surrounding towns to do any research? Does anyone know if the tombstones are
all going to be in Hebrew only? In the JewishGen cemetery database, there's
Hungarian in the registers but I don't know about the stones. I don't read
Hebrew.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Trip and genealogy research in Budapest #hungary

Hitchans <hitchans@...>
 

I am visiting Budapest next month and would appreciate help with ideas on
how to carry out research, for instance census, birth/marriage/death records
etc. Please give addresses. Where should I start? Thank you.

Gabriela Hitchans
WEINER - Budapest


Different and similar first names #hungary

Georges Graner
 

You wrote:

>I wonder if you have encountered unusual naming patterns in Jewish
>families.(other than naming a child after a deceased ancestor)

>Examples:
> -Naming a child the same as a living parent

Never met in Jewish Familes

> -Naming a child after a deceased sibling

Very often met in Jewish families

-Naming two living children the same name

I met this problem once or twce in French Jewish families. My explanation
is that the sisters or brothers had different Hebrew names in the
synagogue and that the parents registered fancy names (here twice the same)
at the official clerk, because they could not care less.

Best regards,

Georges GRANER (Paris, France)
georges.graner@wanadoo.fr
Webmaster of Cercle de Généalogie Juive www.genealoj.org


Naming conventions #hungary

גירון
 

Hello,
Alex P. Miller asked about namig conventions,and gave 3 examples.
The 2 first are common among Sephardic Jews.
As a respect to living grand parent or living uncle/aunt the child is named
after him/her.
I know some children who are named that way.

Nava Giron
Israel


Looking for Fauquemont/Lotharingen OR Valkenburg #general

Basile Ginger <bginger@...>
 

Jonathan,

Faulquemont (with an l) is indeed a town in French Lorraine (a province
called Lotharingen in German). I never heard of such a town in Holland nor
Belgium nor Germany.
All the birth records (Jews and non-Jews together) have been preserved, and
can be consulted for instance in the LDS microfilms, civil registration,
from 1790 to 1892.
On the other hand there are several towns called Valkenburg in Holland.

Basile Ginger, CGJ
(Cercle de Genealogie Juive, International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


Hungary SIG #Hungary Different and similar first names #hungary

Georges Graner
 

You wrote:

>I wonder if you have encountered unusual naming patterns in Jewish
>families.(other than naming a child after a deceased ancestor)

>Examples:
> -Naming a child the same as a living parent

Never met in Jewish Familes

> -Naming a child after a deceased sibling

Very often met in Jewish families

-Naming two living children the same name

I met this problem once or twce in French Jewish families. My explanation
is that the sisters or brothers had different Hebrew names in the
synagogue and that the parents registered fancy names (here twice the same)
at the official clerk, because they could not care less.

Best regards,

Georges GRANER (Paris, France)
georges.graner@wanadoo.fr
Webmaster of Cercle de Généalogie Juive www.genealoj.org


Hungary SIG #Hungary Naming conventions #hungary

גירון
 

Hello,
Alex P. Miller asked about namig conventions,and gave 3 examples.
The 2 first are common among Sephardic Jews.
As a respect to living grand parent or living uncle/aunt the child is named
after him/her.
I know some children who are named that way.

Nava Giron
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Fauquemont/Lotharingen OR Valkenburg #general

Basile Ginger <bginger@...>
 

Jonathan,

Faulquemont (with an l) is indeed a town in French Lorraine (a province
called Lotharingen in German). I never heard of such a town in Holland nor
Belgium nor Germany.
All the birth records (Jews and non-Jews together) have been preserved, and
can be consulted for instance in the LDS microfilms, civil registration,
from 1790 to 1892.
On the other hand there are several towns called Valkenburg in Holland.

Basile Ginger, CGJ
(Cercle de Genealogie Juive, International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


Re: Trip to Hungary #hungary

Margarita Lacko <mishpologia@...>
 

Hi Judy,

In Abaujszanto, my relatives (BLAU, LOW) were very religious and their
tombstones are all in Hebrew. I don't remember about the rest of the
tombstones.

In Gyongyos, although I didn't find my relatives (FISCHER, HEBER,
HANOFER/HANNOVER) some stones are in Hebrew but the names are in Latin
characters. Most of the stones were in Hungarian.


Margarita Lackó
from "the island" in Miami
(JGFF researcher # 11453)
GENEALOGY: © <mailto:mishpologia@uzidog.com>
<mailto:uzidog2000@yahoo.com>
 



-----Original Message-----
From: JGyori@aol.com [mailto:JGyori@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 23:37
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Trip to Hungary


Dear Group,
I was wondering if anyone has traveled to Miskolc, Eger or any
of the small
surrounding towns to do any research? Does anyone know if the
tombstones are
all going to be in Hebrew only? In the JewishGen cemetery
database, there's
Hungarian in the registers but I don't know about the stones. I
don't read
Hebrew.

Are the archives accessible without prior permission?
I am going at the end of June, so there's still time to contact them.

Thank you for your help,
Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona

Searching: WEBERMAN, KLEIN, SCHWARCZ, DEUTS/DEUTCH, BRAUN,
SCHONSTEIN,
ROZENBAUM, ZIMERMAN all >from the small towns around Eger -
Maklar, Kerescsend,
Mezokeresztes, Dormand, Abuajszanto, Szina.
SPITZER, SCHWED, GRUNBERGER, GYARFAS >from Satorajauljhely and Budapest
HIRSCHFELD, GYORI, SINGER >from Gyor, Bratislavia


Passport to Life (Film Showing at CJH) #hungary

Robert Friedman <rfriedman@...>
 

The YIVO Institute for Jewish Research (www.yivoinstitute.org/index.htm) =
is celebrating its 80th anniversary with several public programs. Among =
them is a film that should be of interest to H-SIG members:

Tues. April 12, 7 p.m., Passport to Life (2003)

Center for Jewish History
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
www.cjh.org

Sponsored by the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research, in collaboration =
with the Hungarian Consulate. Discussion with filmmaker, Agnes Vertes, =
a member of the diplomatic corps, and an academic representative. =
Winner of the 2003 Telly & Aurora Awards (Canada). This 56-minute =
documentary celebrates the work of six non-Jewish diplomats who saved =
numerous Jews while stationed in Budapest >from 1944 to 1945.

For prices and tickets, please call the CJH Box Office at (917) =
606-8200.

Bob Friedman
Director, CJH Genealogy Institute