The male form of my surname seems to be more or less consistently rendered in Russian as Узданский, but for the Polish equivalent, I've seen both Uzdanski and Uzdański. Is the difference between the two Polish forms significant?

My other question is about the American rendering of the initial Узд as Usd rather than Uzd. I have come across at least three Usdansky lines in the United States other than my own, and in all cases, the surname spelling is (or was, before it was changed to Usdan or Usdane or something else entirely) Usdansky.

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Steven Usdansky
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researching Usdansky, Turetzky, Sinienski, Sigler, Namenwirth

One thing I've noticed when looking at Revision List translations as given on jewishgen is that the basic order seems to be male head of household, sons, wife of head of household, daughters. 
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Steven Usdansky
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researching Usdansky, Turetzky, Sinienski, Sigler, Namenwirth

I think there might be 2 Adelaide Rittenbergs. I found listings for Ada Rittenberg with different birth dates:

Name: Ada Rittenbag Samson

Gender: Female

Age: 34

Birth Date: 24 Jul 1890

Birth Place: Springfield, Massachusetts

Residence Place: New York City, New York

Passport Issue Date: 17 Mar 1925

Spouse: Henry Samson

Has Photo: Yes

 

 

Name: Ada Bry

Social Security Number: 150-36-2293

Birth Date: 19 Nov 1894

Issue Year: 1962

Issue State: New Jersey

Last Residence: 10021, New York, New York, New York, USA

Death Date: 17 Dec 1990

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Maryellen Tobiasiewicz

family from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
Gorlice powiat Poland
Lviv Oblast Ukraine

Hi Trudy,

It seems that there were two Adelaide RITTENBERGs, both born in Massachusetts and lived later in NYC (one in Manhattan & the other in The Bronx.)

Adelaide R. Rittenberg born 1891 (parents Louis & Lillie.)  The Bronx family.

Adelaide G. Rittenberg born 1894 (parents Isaac &  Annie Marks.  Later census give mother as Belle.)  The Manhattan family.

Adelaide G. Rittenberg married Henry Samson in NYC 26 Jan 1915.

I believe it was Adelaide R. Rittenberg who married Martin Edwin BRY in NYC 2 Jun 1919.
A January 2, 1918 notice in the NY Herald announced the engagement of MIss Adelaide Rittenberg (dau. of Mr. & Mrs. Isaac Rittenberg) to Lt. M. Edwin BRY.  No mention of any previous marriage.

Hope this helps, and Happy New Year,

Sherri Bobish

Yiddish sounds a lot like German. Maybe the census taker just wrong it down as German. I do not know Yiddish. But many decades ago when I was a student, we met with the Rabbi at a synagogue in Moscow. He spoke Yiddish and I understood a lot of what he was saying. (He only let us in when we told him we were Americans!)
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Maryellen Tobiasiewicz

family from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
Gorlice powiat Poland
Lviv Oblast Ukraine

Germans from Russia, check out the history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Germans_in_Russia,_Ukraine_and_the_Soviet_Union
There is also a genealogy group for Germans from Russia. https://www.cyndislist.com/germans-from-russia/general/

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Maryellen Tobiasiewicz

family from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
Gorlice powiat Poland
Lviv Oblast Ukraine

I found Adelaide Ruth Rittenberg living with her parents in 1910 Born in Mass.

Home in 1910:	Bronx Assembly District 35, New York, New York
Street:	W 184th St

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There are two marriage records 

Maryellen Tobiasiewicz

family from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
Gorlice powiat Poland
Lviv Oblast Ukraine

You might want to check the Detroit Jewish News Archives : https://digital.bentley.umich.edu/djnews

Pamela Lucas

It's evident you, or your cousin, has done some research into census records but you do not state the extent of your research.  It's possible a ship's manifest and/or naturalization papers  etc. would provide clues/detail of  the actual gubernia/town  if you have not  already researched sources in addition to census records.

Johanna Becker
Newport, RI

For the very same reasons that a Galizyaner Jew claims that his origin is Austrian.

Alexander Sharon

Calgary, AB, Canada

Looking to find a complete family tree for Chaim Herzog to see how I am related to the family. I want to go back to the early 1800's.
Thank you, Aaron Roetenberg

I am trying to find the grave of my great grandfather's first wife who died in the 1860s at a very young age.  She was Miriam Ash Garfunkel (the daughter of Rabbi Abraham Joseph Ash) and the wife of Benjamin Marcus Garfunkel.  She had a daughter Hannah in 1861.  I know that they lived in St. Louis and Kentucky for a while and I think she died during that time.  I contacted the cemetery and they could only confirm that they have a "Mary Garfinkel" who died on October 18, 1863 who was 23 years old and from Russia.  The cemetery told me that there is a Michael Garfinkel buried in the same plot DOD January 4, 1864 who was 7 months old.  The plot is in Section C-P1.  I never heard about another child (which makes me think it may not be the right grave).  I know that Rabbi Ash came from Semyavitch, Horodno Province, Polish Russia and his daughter Miriam was born there as well.  If someone could take a picture of the grave and it provides her hebrew name, then I would know if it is the right grave.  Thanks for any help.
Debbie Garfunkel Popper
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On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 12:41 PM, Trudy Barch wrote:

I have a wife, Adelaide Ruth Rittenberg (maiden name) with 2 husbands

If your wife has 2 husbands, you should divorce her.  And are you including yourself as one of the two, or is it two in addition to you?  This was my first joke of the year.

My real answers are:

1. Ages are often misreported, so the year of birth that you calculate from someone's age is often not right.  Seeing that two individual's reported ages theoretically correspond to the same year of birth does not mean anything.  The actual years may not overlap.  For example, a person reported to be 30 years old in 1940 could have been born after a person reported to be 30 years old in 1950.

2. Are you sure it is just one wife?  Could it be two different women with similar (or identical) names?
 
3. If you have exact dates of birth, how many months apart are they?  It is possible for a woman to get pregnant in April, her husband to die later that year, the baby to be born in January, the woman to remarry and get pregnant again in March (especially if the baby is exclusively bottle-fed, less likely if breastfed because ovulation takes longer to restart), and give birth that December, so there really are 2 babies born in the same calendar year to the same woman with different fathers (without any adultery or bigamy).
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Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, California, USA
stephenweinstein@...

Gail,

David P. is correct the annotations relate to applications for naturalization, but the numbers are NOT the petition numbers (they are application for a certificate of arrival numbers).  These annotations have three pieces of information, two of which can help you.  The three data points are the prefix number, the application number, and the date.  

The first (prefix) number indicates the US naturalization district where the application was filed.  Above, David Rosen posted the link to a site where one can find a table where you can translate the number into a geographic district (as of the date in the annotation).

The date annotated is the date the manifest record was checked, telling you (approximately) when their application was processed.  The actual date of naturalization can be weeks, months, or even years later.

Thus annotations such as you describe and are seen on the example you shared can help one reach conclusions like "this immigrant was living in the St Louis District and trying to naturalize in 1935" or "that immigrant lived in the Boston District and was trying to naturalize in 1941."  

If you do later find the naturalization petition, it should include a blank for "Certificate of Arrival No. ____ filed" and that certificate of arrival (c/a) number should match the application number annotated on the manifest.  Matching those numbers tells you the US Gov't believed the person listed on the manifest and the person named on the naturalization petition were one and the same person.  

Marian Smith

Good Day
My family DeFratis/Defrates/De\Freytes  made there way through France via Costal Ports and Towns during this period fleeing eventually to Holland, until my Paternal Grandfather settled in Rochester Kent England. If you have any luck getting copies of these records I would very happy to also receive copies to aid my search in tracing my ancestors. 
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MALCOLM THATCHER

Does this help a little with the second?

Mike Coleman, U.K.

Paula,

I supervised the transcription process for this section of film 1792210 many years ago, so I still have the spreadsheets used for the upload as well as the image you see on FamilySearch. The first entry on the female side is for Brokha, age 40, only, for your PASEMANIK family. The second grouping is for the KAERELEVAVNA family, for Fruma (30), Czerna (10), Sora (6), Khienka (4), and Golda (2). The male and female sides match by the registration number in the second column.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 09:32 AM, Bob Roudman wrote:

where in Russia that he came from this the only documented hint that his language was German

Possibly Kaliningrad, an area along the Baltic Sea, today between Poland and Lithuania, which which used to be ruled by Germany and is today part of Russia, although it is not physically connected to the rest of the Russia (sort of like Alaska and the rest of the U.S.).

Possibly one of the parts of Poland that were ruled by Prussia (which was German-speaking) or Austria (also German-speaking) at some times in history and by Russia at other times in history.

Possibly Lithuania or Latvia, which were part of Russia until World War One.

Or really anywhere, since he could have lived in a Germany-speaking place as a child and moved to Russia as an adult.
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