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Jewiish traditions in Italy #germany

MBernet@...
 

In some recent postings I had mentioned the fact that Ashkenazi customs and
ritual predominated in Northern Italy. A number of people have written to
ask me about the various rituals/customs in Italy

This is far >from a field of expertise for me, but I've learned in recent years
that:
1. the Kalonymos family >from Italy laid the basis of Judaism in what was
then Ashkenaz, on the Yerushalmi (Palestinnian) tradition that was then current
in Italy
2. the basic tradition in Italy, dating to the first two centuries BCE was
known as Romani and was the same tradition as then (and for many centuries
later) was common in Greece
3. the Sephardi ritual came to Italy after 1492
4. Northern Italy preserved the Ashkenazi ritual (and was home to many
Ashkenazi rabbis and scholars) into the 19th century
5. Piedmont had its own traditions based on the Provencal.

That's about all I know. There are many sources on the history and culture
of Italian Jewry, such as Jewish encyclopedias and googling, which would
provide more comprehensive information

Michael Bernet, New York

MOD NOTE: Knowing that Jews in a given place at a given time followed Ashkenazi
ritual and traditions rather than Sephardi can be helpful in genealogy research.
For example, Sephardi Jews often named children after living relatives. This
usually not done in places observing Ashkenazi traditions.

Discussion of how such traditional differences can be used to help family research
is appropriate for this Forum. Debate about Mr. Bernet's historical points
must be conducted off-list. Mr. Bernet will later post any important corrections
or additons. MOD1


German SIG #Germany Jewiish traditions in Italy #germany

MBernet@...
 

In some recent postings I had mentioned the fact that Ashkenazi customs and
ritual predominated in Northern Italy. A number of people have written to
ask me about the various rituals/customs in Italy

This is far >from a field of expertise for me, but I've learned in recent years
that:
1. the Kalonymos family >from Italy laid the basis of Judaism in what was
then Ashkenaz, on the Yerushalmi (Palestinnian) tradition that was then current
in Italy
2. the basic tradition in Italy, dating to the first two centuries BCE was
known as Romani and was the same tradition as then (and for many centuries
later) was common in Greece
3. the Sephardi ritual came to Italy after 1492
4. Northern Italy preserved the Ashkenazi ritual (and was home to many
Ashkenazi rabbis and scholars) into the 19th century
5. Piedmont had its own traditions based on the Provencal.

That's about all I know. There are many sources on the history and culture
of Italian Jewry, such as Jewish encyclopedias and googling, which would
provide more comprehensive information

Michael Bernet, New York

MOD NOTE: Knowing that Jews in a given place at a given time followed Ashkenazi
ritual and traditions rather than Sephardi can be helpful in genealogy research.
For example, Sephardi Jews often named children after living relatives. This
usually not done in places observing Ashkenazi traditions.

Discussion of how such traditional differences can be used to help family research
is appropriate for this Forum. Debate about Mr. Bernet's historical points
must be conducted off-list. Mr. Bernet will later post any important corrections
or additons. MOD1


Wambach, Germany and ROTHSCHILD #germany

Debbie Raff
 

I just received a message >from a cyber-friend, who is trying to find out
more about researching an ancestor.

It appears that this person emigrated >from Europe quite early, and she is
uncertain of the sources that may be available to her to continue her search
into Europe. She is not Jewish, so, wrote asking me for help.

I am more familiar with the general resources and more specificially
researching in Poland. I did check for the town she mentioned in "The
Encyclopedia of Jewish Life Before and During the Holocaust". I was unable
to find the town of Wambach mentioned.

I, also, searched on the Family Finder for people, who were researching
ROTHSCHILD, but none are researching the surname for the town of Wambach.

I tried a search of "Wambach" on the JewishGen site, but the few hits I
received were not associated with a town in Germany.

So, if any of you are familiar with this town, or perhaps, an alternate name
used by the Jewish residents that would be helpful. Or, perhaps you can
guide me as to how we could approach her search. I have included her
message to me below.

MODERATOR NOTE: We usually do not post messages >from non-members since anyone
can join GerSIG and post his own inquiries. In this case our member and the
non-member are working together. Also, I found the non-member's letter (below)
interesting. For example: "The synagogue was burned so I doubt that there are any
records to be researched" Ms. Raff might direct her friend to the GerSIG
Website where the advice below *** appears on our home page. MOD1

"I've got a genealogy question for you. I have a line that goes back to
Wambach, Bavaria (Germany). >from a handwritten genealogy, I have a Samuel
ROTHSCHILD who was born in 1805 and migrated to New York 1839. I think it
is unlikely that I can go any further back. I'm not even sure there were
surnames before 1805.

If they had been Catholic, I think there might be a chance, but seeing as how
they were Jewish and the synagogue in that area was destroyed. I doubt that there
are any records to be researched. I had always been of the impression that they
fled because of relgious prosecution and the family had converted to
Presbyterianism. This was true until about a year ago, when I got in touch with
a woman who was descended >from the oldest brother and that line had remained
Jewish." Please, respond privately. Thanks in advance, <seraph@dc.rr.com>

Debbie Raff (town????) California <seraph@dc.rr.com>

***Germans were great record-keepers, and the information about Jews and their
communities go back many hundreds of years. Furthermore, since the Holocaust,
many non-Jewish Germans have been motivated to assemble, organize and report on
the Jewish history and genealogy of their communities. There is a wealth of
information available to German Jewish genealogists; the challenge is where to
find it. From: http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/


German SIG #Germany Wambach, Germany and ROTHSCHILD #germany

Debbie Raff
 

I just received a message >from a cyber-friend, who is trying to find out
more about researching an ancestor.

It appears that this person emigrated >from Europe quite early, and she is
uncertain of the sources that may be available to her to continue her search
into Europe. She is not Jewish, so, wrote asking me for help.

I am more familiar with the general resources and more specificially
researching in Poland. I did check for the town she mentioned in "The
Encyclopedia of Jewish Life Before and During the Holocaust". I was unable
to find the town of Wambach mentioned.

I, also, searched on the Family Finder for people, who were researching
ROTHSCHILD, but none are researching the surname for the town of Wambach.

I tried a search of "Wambach" on the JewishGen site, but the few hits I
received were not associated with a town in Germany.

So, if any of you are familiar with this town, or perhaps, an alternate name
used by the Jewish residents that would be helpful. Or, perhaps you can
guide me as to how we could approach her search. I have included her
message to me below.

MODERATOR NOTE: We usually do not post messages >from non-members since anyone
can join GerSIG and post his own inquiries. In this case our member and the
non-member are working together. Also, I found the non-member's letter (below)
interesting. For example: "The synagogue was burned so I doubt that there are any
records to be researched" Ms. Raff might direct her friend to the GerSIG
Website where the advice below *** appears on our home page. MOD1

"I've got a genealogy question for you. I have a line that goes back to
Wambach, Bavaria (Germany). >from a handwritten genealogy, I have a Samuel
ROTHSCHILD who was born in 1805 and migrated to New York 1839. I think it
is unlikely that I can go any further back. I'm not even sure there were
surnames before 1805.

If they had been Catholic, I think there might be a chance, but seeing as how
they were Jewish and the synagogue in that area was destroyed. I doubt that there
are any records to be researched. I had always been of the impression that they
fled because of relgious prosecution and the family had converted to
Presbyterianism. This was true until about a year ago, when I got in touch with
a woman who was descended >from the oldest brother and that line had remained
Jewish." Please, respond privately. Thanks in advance, <seraph@dc.rr.com>

Debbie Raff (town????) California <seraph@dc.rr.com>

***Germans were great record-keepers, and the information about Jews and their
communities go back many hundreds of years. Furthermore, since the Holocaust,
many non-Jewish Germans have been motivated to assemble, organize and report on
the Jewish history and genealogy of their communities. There is a wealth of
information available to German Jewish genealogists; the challenge is where to
find it. From: http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/


Re: INTRO - Seeking BEHR - Bavaria > NY 19th Century #germany

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/22/2005 smithpl.pmprops@ntlworld.com writes:

< My primary research goal is to find out the ancestors of my 2 Great
Grandfather, Lewis BEHR who was my maternal Grandmother`s paternal Grandfather.
He was b. in Bavaria in 1837 and married Lena Unknown, b.1840, Bavaria. >

==Bavaria was a BIG place and had nearly half the Jews of Germany at that
time. Can you be more specific please? "Lewis" is likely to have been Loeb,
with a Hebrew name Arjeh or Jehuda / Judas. Or it Could have been Levi or Laeser
(Elazar, Elieser, Lazarus)

==The New York area is also a huge place and was home to half of all
American Jews. Behr (Ber, Baer, Bear) was one of the most popular Jewish surnames
in Germany--apparently the origin also of my own surname.

Perhaps someone can help you with exploring back >from the American end.

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@aol.com


German SIG #Germany Re: INTRO - Seeking BEHR - Bavaria > NY 19th Century #germany

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/22/2005 smithpl.pmprops@ntlworld.com writes:

< My primary research goal is to find out the ancestors of my 2 Great
Grandfather, Lewis BEHR who was my maternal Grandmother`s paternal Grandfather.
He was b. in Bavaria in 1837 and married Lena Unknown, b.1840, Bavaria. >

==Bavaria was a BIG place and had nearly half the Jews of Germany at that
time. Can you be more specific please? "Lewis" is likely to have been Loeb,
with a Hebrew name Arjeh or Jehuda / Judas. Or it Could have been Levi or Laeser
(Elazar, Elieser, Lazarus)

==The New York area is also a huge place and was home to half of all
American Jews. Behr (Ber, Baer, Bear) was one of the most popular Jewish surnames
in Germany--apparently the origin also of my own surname.

Perhaps someone can help you with exploring back >from the American end.

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@aol.com


Seek Business Directories (for a town now in Poland) #germany

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@...>
 

Fellow researchers,

Can anyone advise me on how to obtain or get access to information regarding
business in the early 1900's in Germany?

My specific interest is in the town of Unruhstadt (now Kargowa in Poland)
between about 1900 and 1930. I have anecdotal information that my g
grandfather Josef KAISER owned a factory in this town, however, I can find
no evidence to support this.

So if anyone can advise if Business Diractories exist and how I could access
them I would appreciate it. Regards

Geoff Kaiser - Melbourne, Australia

Unruhstadt, Ostrowo, Neuberin, Breslau
KAISER, PACH, UCKO, ROSENBAUM, WOLFF, NEULANDER, TWORAGER


German SIG #Germany Seek Business Directories (for a town now in Poland) #germany

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@...>
 

Fellow researchers,

Can anyone advise me on how to obtain or get access to information regarding
business in the early 1900's in Germany?

My specific interest is in the town of Unruhstadt (now Kargowa in Poland)
between about 1900 and 1930. I have anecdotal information that my g
grandfather Josef KAISER owned a factory in this town, however, I can find
no evidence to support this.

So if anyone can advise if Business Diractories exist and how I could access
them I would appreciate it. Regards

Geoff Kaiser - Melbourne, Australia

Unruhstadt, Ostrowo, Neuberin, Breslau
KAISER, PACH, UCKO, ROSENBAUM, WOLFF, NEULANDER, TWORAGER


Thank you and more trip questions #hungary

JGyori@...
 

Dear Genners,
First of all, I want to thank everyone for all your generous answers and
suggestions concerning my trip to Hungary.
I think I have a few great ideas now about reading Hebrew headstones and
visiting some of the smaller towns. And I think I may even have found a new
cousin or two!!

So more questions, what are your suggestions for trips to Vienna and Prague
from Budapest? We'd go by train but how many days to do the tourist bit? I
don't really think I have relatives >from either location, so we'd really just
want to see the main sights. What are the major Jewish areas and museums that
others have enjoyed? I'd be happy to do a bit of look up if someone has a
simple assignment...but we won't have more than a 2 or 3 days in each city.

I know this is a bit off topic, but since for so many of us, travel to the
"old country" is a goal, I hope the moderators allow it.I need all the help I
can to make this a successful trip!

Thanks again and I look forward to more expert advice >from the
better-travelled!
(I have travelled a good bit of the USA but not much in Europe!)

Happy Adar and Purim,

Moderator: Please respond to Judy directly unless you have info related to shtetl trips within H-SIG's area of interest.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Thank you and more trip questions #hungary

JGyori@...
 

Dear Genners,
First of all, I want to thank everyone for all your generous answers and
suggestions concerning my trip to Hungary.
I think I have a few great ideas now about reading Hebrew headstones and
visiting some of the smaller towns. And I think I may even have found a new
cousin or two!!

So more questions, what are your suggestions for trips to Vienna and Prague
from Budapest? We'd go by train but how many days to do the tourist bit? I
don't really think I have relatives >from either location, so we'd really just
want to see the main sights. What are the major Jewish areas and museums that
others have enjoyed? I'd be happy to do a bit of look up if someone has a
simple assignment...but we won't have more than a 2 or 3 days in each city.

I know this is a bit off topic, but since for so many of us, travel to the
"old country" is a goal, I hope the moderators allow it.I need all the help I
can to make this a successful trip!

Thanks again and I look forward to more expert advice >from the
better-travelled!
(I have travelled a good bit of the USA but not much in Europe!)

Happy Adar and Purim,

Moderator: Please respond to Judy directly unless you have info related to shtetl trips within H-SIG's area of interest.


Appeal to Henrietta Kestenbaum #hungary

john.berkeley@...
 

I have been unable to contact fellow H-SIG researcher and relative Henrie=
tta
Kestenbaum of Ontario, perhaps because of a change of e-mail address. If
you see this, could I ask you please to contact me offline?

John Berkeley (Berkovic)
Researching GLUCK family (Chust/Huszt)
Warwick, England
john.berkeley@tiscali.co.uk

___________________________________________________________

Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005.
Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/
Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/


Hungaryian Translation #hungary

Fern Ward <FRWard@...>
 

I am looking for help again please.
I have posted two letters on view mate
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5702
(VM 5702, 5703, 5704, 5705, 5707) that I believe are Hungarian and am hoping
for someone to translate for me.

Thank you for any help you can offer!
Please respond directly to me at

FRWard@direcpc.com

Thank you
Fern Ward
Laveen, AZ
ZELMANOVICS (Hungary/Brooklyn NY), KATZ (Hungary/Brooklyn NY)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Appeal to Henrietta Kestenbaum #hungary

john.berkeley@...
 

I have been unable to contact fellow H-SIG researcher and relative Henrie=
tta
Kestenbaum of Ontario, perhaps because of a change of e-mail address. If
you see this, could I ask you please to contact me offline?

John Berkeley (Berkovic)
Researching GLUCK family (Chust/Huszt)
Warwick, England
john.berkeley@tiscali.co.uk

___________________________________________________________

Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005.
Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/
Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungaryian Translation #hungary

Fern Ward <FRWard@...>
 

I am looking for help again please.
I have posted two letters on view mate
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5702
(VM 5702, 5703, 5704, 5705, 5707) that I believe are Hungarian and am hoping
for someone to translate for me.

Thank you for any help you can offer!
Please respond directly to me at

FRWard@direcpc.com

Thank you
Fern Ward
Laveen, AZ
ZELMANOVICS (Hungary/Brooklyn NY), KATZ (Hungary/Brooklyn NY)


Locating a current address of a Holocaust victim fiance #hungary

Omri Arnon <omri@...>
 

Dear Group,

In my father's photo album there is a postcard with a picture of a
beautiful young woman, which she sent to my father when he was a POW in
Germany. For years I wondered who she was until today, when for the
first time I looked at names of various relatives in the Yad Vashem
site. In the site I found a Page of Testimony submitted on 02/09/1999 by
the fiance of my father's cousin's daughter. On the testimony page he
added her picture which is the same picture I have in my father's album!

The name and address of her fiance is: Robert Ferenc - Budapest 1023
Frankel Leo 53.IV.2
I tried searching for his phone number in the Matav site but could not
find him. Can anyone help me find out if he's alive and what his current
address/phone number is?

Thank you,

Omri Arnon
Israel

Moderator: Please contact Omri off-list if you can help.


Fany #hungary

Dubois family <family@...>
 

My great grandmother's first name is recorded as Fanni. She was born Fanni
Ucks, in about 1838, in Staedtl-Hamschau, Prussian-Silesia. She then came
to live in Frauenkirchen. She married Hermann Pollitzer,( who was born in
Frauenkirchen ), in Vienna in 1872. I have a copy of the birth certificate
of their first child, Leopold, born in 1873, where her name is written
Fanni.

Dominique Dubois
London UK

POLLITZER, Frauenkirchen, Vienna
SINGER, Althart, Vienna
STEINER, Westerfeld, Krems, Vienna
WAHRINGER, Vienna


Hungary SIG #Hungary Locating a current address of a Holocaust victim fiance #hungary

Omri Arnon <omri@...>
 

Dear Group,

In my father's photo album there is a postcard with a picture of a
beautiful young woman, which she sent to my father when he was a POW in
Germany. For years I wondered who she was until today, when for the
first time I looked at names of various relatives in the Yad Vashem
site. In the site I found a Page of Testimony submitted on 02/09/1999 by
the fiance of my father's cousin's daughter. On the testimony page he
added her picture which is the same picture I have in my father's album!

The name and address of her fiance is: Robert Ferenc - Budapest 1023
Frankel Leo 53.IV.2
I tried searching for his phone number in the Matav site but could not
find him. Can anyone help me find out if he's alive and what his current
address/phone number is?

Thank you,

Omri Arnon
Israel

Moderator: Please contact Omri off-list if you can help.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Fany #hungary

Dubois family <family@...>
 

My great grandmother's first name is recorded as Fanni. She was born Fanni
Ucks, in about 1838, in Staedtl-Hamschau, Prussian-Silesia. She then came
to live in Frauenkirchen. She married Hermann Pollitzer,( who was born in
Frauenkirchen ), in Vienna in 1872. I have a copy of the birth certificate
of their first child, Leopold, born in 1873, where her name is written
Fanni.

Dominique Dubois
London UK

POLLITZER, Frauenkirchen, Vienna
SINGER, Althart, Vienna
STEINER, Westerfeld, Krems, Vienna
WAHRINGER, Vienna


The name "Fani" #hungary

levinson <levinson@...>
 

My gggrandmother named Schiffer Fani. On the tombstone of her siblings she
named Fradel.

from the other hand my ggmother Kohn Fani named Francesca and Frida.
Esther levinson

Beer Sheva

Researching: Hochfelder, Neumann, Baum, Weiler and mandel


Hungary SIG #Hungary The name "Fani" #hungary

levinson <levinson@...>
 

My gggrandmother named Schiffer Fani. On the tombstone of her siblings she
named Fradel.

from the other hand my ggmother Kohn Fani named Francesca and Frida.
Esther levinson

Beer Sheva

Researching: Hochfelder, Neumann, Baum, Weiler and mandel