Dear Friends,

Irka (Irena) nee KLEJNER (KLEINER) and her sister were granddaughters of my
g-grandparents Szlama-Chaim ROZNER and Laja nee CUKIER. I would very much
like to find them or their descendants.

Irka's mother, Riwka ROZNER, was born in Rybnica near Klimontow, Poland in
1889 or a few years earlier. The ROZNER family moved then to Osiek in the
same area.

Riwka married a KLEJNER, who died when she was about 32. They had three
daughters - two of them were Irka and Ester - Estusha.
I would assume that Irka and her two sisters were born circa 1910-1920. The
family lived in Lodz, Poland. Riwka's brothers had a lumber business in
Lodz, and perhaps she also worked in one of its branches.

In WWII, Riwka and her daughter Ester died in Lodz Ghetto. Irka and the
third sister were sent to Bergen Belsen and survived. The sister moved to
Sweden, whereas Irka immigrated to the US.

Irka was married, either in Poland or in the US, and most likely lived with
her family in the West Coast. It is possible she was married to a KRONEMBERG
or similar (but this could be false). I don't know whether Irka - Irena
changed her given name in the US.

We would very much like to contact Irka or her descendants, as well as her
sister's.

If any of the above sounds familiar, I would be most gracious if you write
to me privately.

Thanks a lot and Shana Tova


Orit Lavi
Tsukey-Yam, Israel

ROZNER - Lodz, Klimontow, Osiek; CUKIER - Pinczow; DIAMANT - Stopnica area;
LIDZBARSKI - Lodz, Mlawa; SZATAN - Mlawa area;
HORONCZYK - Lodz , Lutomiersk; LEWKOWICZ - Lodz, Staszow ;
ZALCMAN - Staszow; OFMAN - Polaniec area;
FUKS - Lodz, Ozorkow; LANDAU - Lodz, Konstantinow Lodzki.; EJZNER - Tuszyn;
ERMAN - Lodz, Tomaszow Maz. Tuszyn; ZYLBERSTEJN - Konstantinow, Pilica;

Dear Friends,

Irka (Irena) nee KLEJNER (KLEINER) and her sister were granddaughters of my
g-grandparents Szlama-Chaim ROZNER and Laja nee CUKIER. I would very much
like to find them or their descendants.

Irka's mother, Riwka ROZNER, was born in Rybnica near Klimontow, Poland in
1889 or a few years earlier. The ROZNER family moved then to Osiek in the
same area.

Riwka married a KLEJNER, who died when she was about 32. They had three
daughters - two of them were Irka and Ester - Estusha.
I would assume that Irka and her two sisters were born circa 1910-1920. The
family lived in Lodz, Poland. Riwka's brothers had a lumber business in
Lodz, and perhaps she also worked in one of its branches.

In WWII, Riwka and her daughter Ester died in Lodz Ghetto. Irka and the
third sister were sent to Bergen Belsen and survived. The sister moved to
Sweden, whereas Irka immigrated to the US.

Irka was married, either in Poland or in the US, and most likely lived with
her family in the West Coast. It is possible she was married to a KRONEMBERG
or similar (but this could be false). I don't know whether Irka - Irena
changed her given name in the US.

We would very much like to contact Irka or her descendants, as well as her
sister's.

If any of the above sounds familiar, I would be most gracious if you write
to me privately.

Thanks a lot and Shana Tova


Orit Lavi
Tsukey-Yam, Israel

ROZNER - Lodz, Klimontow, Osiek; CUKIER - Pinczow; DIAMANT - Stopnica area;
LIDZBARSKI - Lodz, Mlawa; SZATAN - Mlawa area;
HORONCZYK - Lodz , Lutomiersk; LEWKOWICZ - Lodz, Staszow ;
ZALCMAN - Staszow; OFMAN - Polaniec area;
FUKS - Lodz, Ozorkow; LANDAU - Lodz, Konstantinow Lodzki.; EJZNER - Tuszyn;
ERMAN - Lodz, Tomaszow Maz. Tuszyn; ZYLBERSTEJN - Konstantinow, Pilica;

Shalom and Shana Tova
Dear searchers a month ago I got an idea to send mail to rabbis of the
towns I am searching..thought that it will be something revolushionary I mean
that rabbis are also interested in contacting people who are searching
their roots ...no answer only rabbi of Saratov in Russia. Maybe somebody has
any experience in such contacts or maybe to somebody it will be more mazal
of my idea?

searching WAJSENBERG Poland Zelechw Warsaw Lodz BRANDWAJN Ostrog BEJZMAN
Novograd Volynskij

I got a photo of the gravestone of my grandunkle WAJSENBERG >from Mr. Yisroel
Szpilman and dont know how to move further.

Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net

Shalom and Shana Tova
Dear searchers a month ago I got an idea to send mail to rabbis of the
towns I am searching..thought that it will be something revolushionary I mean
that rabbis are also interested in contacting people who are searching
their roots ...no answer only rabbi of Saratov in Russia. Maybe somebody has
any experience in such contacts or maybe to somebody it will be more mazal
of my idea?

searching WAJSENBERG Poland Zelechw Warsaw Lodz BRANDWAJN Ostrog BEJZMAN
Novograd Volynskij

I got a photo of the gravestone of my grandunkle WAJSENBERG >from Mr. Yisroel
Szpilman and dont know how to move further.

Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net

Dear BIALYGenners:

L'shana Tova Tikatevu.

May you and your loved ones be inscribed in the Book of Life for
a good and sweet year.

And may your ancestral research be stunningly successful.

Mark Halpern
Coordinator, BIALYGen

Dear BIALYGenners:

L'shana Tova Tikatevu.

May you and your loved ones be inscribed in the Book of Life for
a good and sweet year.

And may your ancestral research be stunningly successful.

Mark Halpern
Coordinator, BIALYGen

Renee Payne asked [Digest, 16th Sept 2004] about
places named Jovre, Czechoslovakia and
Ungvar/Uzhgorod. Could they be close to each other?

No wonder people are confused about this area. See:
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Carpathian_Ruthenia

As far as I can make out Uzhorod was the capital of
Czechoslovakian "Podkarpatska" [Carpathian-Ruthenia]
until 1918 and then part of Hungary [1919 - 1938], and
Czechoslovakia [1939 - 1944] and then returned to
Hungary again [1945 - 1991] and then annexed by the
Soviet Union, but now it is in the Ukraine!
Jovre is a village in that area.

Life is too short for anyone but Carpathian-Ruthenian
historians to remember such complexities!

For some preliminary information on the Jews of that
area read:

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/History+of+the+Jews+in+Carpathian+Ruthenia

Celia Male [UK]

Renee Payne asked [Digest, 16th Sept 2004] about
places named Jovre, Czechoslovakia and
Ungvar/Uzhgorod. Could they be close to each other?

No wonder people are confused about this area. See:
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Carpathian_Ruthenia

As far as I can make out Uzhorod was the capital of
Czechoslovakian "Podkarpatska" [Carpathian-Ruthenia]
until 1918 and then part of Hungary [1919 - 1938], and
Czechoslovakia [1939 - 1944] and then returned to
Hungary again [1945 - 1991] and then annexed by the
Soviet Union, but now it is in the Ukraine!
Jovre is a village in that area.

Life is too short for anyone but Carpathian-Ruthenian
historians to remember such complexities!

For some preliminary information on the Jews of that
area read:

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/History+of+the+Jews+in+Carpathian+Ruthenia

Celia Male [UK]

Dear Genners !

My pc crashed and I lost all my old correspondence ! I am looking for the
two kind gentlemen
who sent me informaton on Louis Sallinger of London .

Also can anyone tell me more of the profesion "caver and gilder" I presume
that this has something to do with picture framing ?
or am I wrong ?

With many thanks

Ralph Salinger
Kfar Ruppin
salinger@kfar-ruppin.org.il

Dear Genners !

My pc crashed and I lost all my old correspondence ! I am looking for the
two kind gentlemen
who sent me informaton on Louis Sallinger of London .

Also can anyone tell me more of the profesion "caver and gilder" I presume
that this has something to do with picture framing ?
or am I wrong ?

With many thanks

Ralph Salinger
Kfar Ruppin
salinger@kfar-ruppin.org.il

I stumbled upon a manual at

www.adp.cahwnet.gov/CalOMS/pdf/Ucla_Tracking_Manual.pdf

entitled "Staying in Touch: A Fieldwork Manual of Tracking Procedures for
Locating Substance Abusers in Follow-up Studies." Many of the resources and
strategies it outlines are equally useful for finding lost cousins.

My eyes popped out at a reference to the "National Death Index." Parts of
the description of the NDI at www.cdc.gov/nchs/r&d/ndi/what_is_ndi.htm
follow:

"Available to investigators solely for statistical purposes in medical and
health research. Not accessible to organizations or the general public for
legal, administrative, or genealogy purposes."

"A national file of identifying death record information (beginning with
1979 deaths) compiled >from computer files submitted by State vital
statistics offices. Death records are added to the NDI file annually,
approximately 12 months after the end of a particular calendar year."

"NDI users are encouraged to submit as many of the following data items as
possible for each study subject: first and last name, middle initial,
father's surname, social security number, month, day, and year of birth,
race, sex, marital status, state of residence, and state of birth."

The NDI is maintained by the National Center for Health Statistics in
Hyattsville, Maryland, and is different than the Social Security Death
Index. Eligible searchers pay a $350 service charge per search.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us

I stumbled upon a manual at

www.adp.cahwnet.gov/CalOMS/pdf/Ucla_Tracking_Manual.pdf

entitled "Staying in Touch: A Fieldwork Manual of Tracking Procedures for
Locating Substance Abusers in Follow-up Studies." Many of the resources and
strategies it outlines are equally useful for finding lost cousins.

My eyes popped out at a reference to the "National Death Index." Parts of
the description of the NDI at www.cdc.gov/nchs/r&d/ndi/what_is_ndi.htm
follow:

"Available to investigators solely for statistical purposes in medical and
health research. Not accessible to organizations or the general public for
legal, administrative, or genealogy purposes."

"A national file of identifying death record information (beginning with
1979 deaths) compiled >from computer files submitted by State vital
statistics offices. Death records are added to the NDI file annually,
approximately 12 months after the end of a particular calendar year."

"NDI users are encouraged to submit as many of the following data items as
possible for each study subject: first and last name, middle initial,
father's surname, social security number, month, day, and year of birth,
race, sex, marital status, state of residence, and state of birth."

The NDI is maintained by the National Center for Health Statistics in
Hyattsville, Maryland, and is different than the Social Security Death
Index. Eligible searchers pay a $350 service charge per search.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us

I want to thank all who have responded to my inquiry and provided me with
anecdotal and bibliographic information on the early conditions for the
Galveston Plan and similar colonization programs. Ultimately such efforts
did "give us land, lots of land under starry skies.........."

Burt Hecht

I want to thank all who have responded to my inquiry and provided me with
anecdotal and bibliographic information on the early conditions for the
Galveston Plan and similar colonization programs. Ultimately such efforts
did "give us land, lots of land under starry skies.........."

Burt Hecht

On Sept. 17, 2004, Burt Hecht (burt1933@comcast.net) questioned "how our
relatives were diverted >from a destination known to one they didn't expect
plus concerns of relatives disappointed not able to greet the passengers."

A book I have previously recommended which may answer Mr. Hecht is Robert
A. Rockaway, "Words of the Uprooted: Jewish Immigration in Early 20th Century
America," Cornell University Press, 1998.

It discusses the efforts of the Industrial Removal Office, which was formed
in 1904, to send unemployed Jewish workers >from New York City to other
Jewish communities where jobs existed. The immigrants were dispersed not only by
ship but also by railroad.

The motivations for the formation of the IRO were to relieve the City-
especially the Lower East Side area-of congestion and crime and to counteract the
growing anarchist and social movements.

The IRO sent out "scouts"throughout the US as a prelude to negotiating with
commmunities to find job and housing situations that would accommodate its
"clients." The IRO encouraged people to contribute to their transportation even
if that contribution was difficult for him or his family but often it ended
up paying for the transportation of an individual and later for that of his
family. The book contains many grateful and complaining letters to and >from
the IRO written by the various participants, including representatives of the
recipient communities.

One of several cases included in the book concerns a would-be emigrant in
the Minsk area who in 1910 was persuaded by the local agent of the Jewish
Emigration Society to choose Galveston rather than New York as his destination.
Although the man had thought at first he might go to St. Louis, when he
arrived in Galveston, he liked it so much that he stayed there.

Archives of the IRO located at the American Jewish Historical Society
contain records of every aspect of the removal work as well as thousands of
letters >from immigrants, community leaders, officials and agents.

I have no book titles to offer here about Jews in Texas only because I have
no relatives who settled in that state. But I know such books exist and their
titles can be found through online bookstores which sell new and used books.
Indeed, I don't think there is a state or major city in the US which doesn't
have a book or two or at least an article in some periodical about the Jews who
settled within its borders or city limits and I know that there are also
books about the Jews of more than a few smaller towns in the US.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

On Sept. 17, 2004, Burt Hecht (burt1933@comcast.net) questioned "how our
relatives were diverted >from a destination known to one they didn't expect
plus concerns of relatives disappointed not able to greet the passengers."

A book I have previously recommended which may answer Mr. Hecht is Robert
A. Rockaway, "Words of the Uprooted: Jewish Immigration in Early 20th Century
America," Cornell University Press, 1998.

It discusses the efforts of the Industrial Removal Office, which was formed
in 1904, to send unemployed Jewish workers >from New York City to other
Jewish communities where jobs existed. The immigrants were dispersed not only by
ship but also by railroad.

The motivations for the formation of the IRO were to relieve the City-
especially the Lower East Side area-of congestion and crime and to counteract the
growing anarchist and social movements.

The IRO sent out "scouts"throughout the US as a prelude to negotiating with
commmunities to find job and housing situations that would accommodate its
"clients." The IRO encouraged people to contribute to their transportation even
if that contribution was difficult for him or his family but often it ended
up paying for the transportation of an individual and later for that of his
family. The book contains many grateful and complaining letters to and >from
the IRO written by the various participants, including representatives of the
recipient communities.

One of several cases included in the book concerns a would-be emigrant in
the Minsk area who in 1910 was persuaded by the local agent of the Jewish
Emigration Society to choose Galveston rather than New York as his destination.
Although the man had thought at first he might go to St. Louis, when he
arrived in Galveston, he liked it so much that he stayed there.

Archives of the IRO located at the American Jewish Historical Society
contain records of every aspect of the removal work as well as thousands of
letters >from immigrants, community leaders, officials and agents.

I have no book titles to offer here about Jews in Texas only because I have
no relatives who settled in that state. But I know such books exist and their
titles can be found through online bookstores which sell new and used books.
Indeed, I don't think there is a state or major city in the US which doesn't
have a book or two or at least an article in some periodical about the Jews who
settled within its borders or city limits and I know that there are also
books about the Jews of more than a few smaller towns in the US.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Just a little aside....not all Jewish Texans came in through Galveston.
My grandparents' families came to the USA through Ellis Island and
joined relatives in St. Joseph, Missouri (where my mother was born in
1919). The family then "followed the oil fields" and made their way
south through Okalahoma (Seminole...where my Uncle was born), then to
Louisiana (Natchadoches sp? and Baton Rouge), and finally on to
Overton-- a small town near Tyler in East Texas-- where my grandfather,
a photographer as well, opened a dry goods store. They were the only
Jewish family in this small town. My mother told me the story of how
every Easter, the local Baptist preacher brought her mom an Easter Lily
....

By the way...I came across a book--The Jew Store-- which I enjoyed
very much-- it chronicles the life of a Jewish family who had moved

from New York to become the only Jewish family in a small town in the

South....

Elaine Bush
Pleasant Hill, CA

SHEININ, DAVIS, FRUMHOFF, REST, BLUSHINSKY

Just a little aside....not all Jewish Texans came in through Galveston.
My grandparents' families came to the USA through Ellis Island and
joined relatives in St. Joseph, Missouri (where my mother was born in
1919). The family then "followed the oil fields" and made their way
south through Okalahoma (Seminole...where my Uncle was born), then to
Louisiana (Natchadoches sp? and Baton Rouge), and finally on to
Overton-- a small town near Tyler in East Texas-- where my grandfather,
a photographer as well, opened a dry goods store. They were the only
Jewish family in this small town. My mother told me the story of how
every Easter, the local Baptist preacher brought her mom an Easter Lily
....

By the way...I came across a book--The Jew Store-- which I enjoyed
very much-- it chronicles the life of a Jewish family who had moved

from New York to become the only Jewish family in a small town in the

South....

Elaine Bush
Pleasant Hill, CA

SHEININ, DAVIS, FRUMHOFF, REST, BLUSHINSKY

I would like to know if anyone has had results with obtaining military records
-pre revolution. My MGF was a soldier in the Tzrina's army.
Harriet Ader
Researching:MEDWINSKY-Ukraine,Kiev area, LEMBERSKY/LAMBERSKY-Ukraine, Kiev area,
WALDMAN-ukraine.

I would like to know if anyone has had results with obtaining military records
-pre revolution. My MGF was a soldier in the Tzrina's army.
Harriet Ader
Researching:MEDWINSKY-Ukraine,Kiev area, LEMBERSKY/LAMBERSKY-Ukraine, Kiev area,
WALDMAN-ukraine.