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Searching: BEREN from Marietta, Ohio and Beyond #general

sbloom@...
 

Hi,

I am looking for information on the origins of the philanthropist family,
BEREN. Though now in Texas and other nearby states, I know they originate
from Ohio, and that the furthest back person I can identify is
Wolf A. Beren, b. about 1866 in "russia" (according to the 1930 census).
I know a bit about the following generations, as they have quite high profile,
though I was wondering about where Wolf came from. I can not
find him in the Ellis Island records or earlier NY records (though realize he
didnt necessarily enter through there).

My own BEREN come >from Aleksandrow, near Lodz, and I know there are people wih
similar names (as the well known BEREN) >from Lodz and that area. Most BEREN in
general seem to come >from Germany, but since the 1930 census said Wolf was from
"russia", I figured that could easily be central Poland.

Id appreciate it if folks could respond (mostly privately, unless you touch
upon something of general interest) with info, if they have any that would
indicate Wolf's origins (or if you are a BEREN >from Lodz area yourself).

Oh yes, I should say my interest is purely genealogical (they are a rather
wealthy family)!

Thanks so much, and shana tovah.

Steve Bloom
Worsham, VA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: BEREN from Marietta, Ohio and Beyond #general

sbloom@...
 

Hi,

I am looking for information on the origins of the philanthropist family,
BEREN. Though now in Texas and other nearby states, I know they originate
from Ohio, and that the furthest back person I can identify is
Wolf A. Beren, b. about 1866 in "russia" (according to the 1930 census).
I know a bit about the following generations, as they have quite high profile,
though I was wondering about where Wolf came from. I can not
find him in the Ellis Island records or earlier NY records (though realize he
didnt necessarily enter through there).

My own BEREN come >from Aleksandrow, near Lodz, and I know there are people wih
similar names (as the well known BEREN) >from Lodz and that area. Most BEREN in
general seem to come >from Germany, but since the 1930 census said Wolf was from
"russia", I figured that could easily be central Poland.

Id appreciate it if folks could respond (mostly privately, unless you touch
upon something of general interest) with info, if they have any that would
indicate Wolf's origins (or if you are a BEREN >from Lodz area yourself).

Oh yes, I should say my interest is purely genealogical (they are a rather
wealthy family)!

Thanks so much, and shana tovah.

Steve Bloom
Worsham, VA


Re: Jovre, Czechoslovakia #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Renee Payne wrote in message

Dear Genners,
On a passenger list I found family members whose town of origin was given
as Jovre, Czechoslovakia. Does anyone know where this is located and what
the current name/location would be? I believe that other members of the same
family were >from Ungvar/ Uzhgorod. Could they be close to each other.

Thank you for your help.
Cordially,
Renee Payne
Renee,

Actually correct town name used to be Jovra ("Jovre" is a noun declension
form used in Slovak grammar).

Currently town name is Storozhnica, located on the modern city of Uzhorod's
SE outskirts at 4836 2214.

You will be able to locate Storoznica on any Ukrainian maps since this is
also the name of the Uzhorod's airport.

I came accross another spelling of this town used during the interwar period
in Czechoslovakia: Iovro-Darma.

I've assumed initially that "Darma" was Jovro pre-Trianon's Hungarian name
but while searching it through Ung varmegye map of the 1910 vintage I could
not confirm name Darma.

Reference maps:

1.Ung varmegye 1910

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/ung.jpg

2. Zakarpatskaya oblast' map circa 1980, scale 1: 200k

http://www.infoukes.com/ua-maps/oblasts/oblast01/

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

Storozhnitsa, Iovro-Darma 48 degrees 36' 22 degrees 14' E M U Ukraine
392.0 miles WSW of Kyyiv


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jovre, Czechoslovakia #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Renee Payne wrote in message

Dear Genners,
On a passenger list I found family members whose town of origin was given
as Jovre, Czechoslovakia. Does anyone know where this is located and what
the current name/location would be? I believe that other members of the same
family were >from Ungvar/ Uzhgorod. Could they be close to each other.

Thank you for your help.
Cordially,
Renee Payne
Renee,

Actually correct town name used to be Jovra ("Jovre" is a noun declension
form used in Slovak grammar).

Currently town name is Storozhnica, located on the modern city of Uzhorod's
SE outskirts at 4836 2214.

You will be able to locate Storoznica on any Ukrainian maps since this is
also the name of the Uzhorod's airport.

I came accross another spelling of this town used during the interwar period
in Czechoslovakia: Iovro-Darma.

I've assumed initially that "Darma" was Jovro pre-Trianon's Hungarian name
but while searching it through Ung varmegye map of the 1910 vintage I could
not confirm name Darma.

Reference maps:

1.Ung varmegye 1910

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/ung.jpg

2. Zakarpatskaya oblast' map circa 1980, scale 1: 200k

http://www.infoukes.com/ua-maps/oblasts/oblast01/

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

Storozhnitsa, Iovro-Darma 48 degrees 36' 22 degrees 14' E M U Ukraine
392.0 miles WSW of Kyyiv


How to get copies of naturalization in France? #general

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners,
from my own experience I can witness that you have to
find a person in France,preferably in Paris, who will
order the Naturalization files >from the National
Archives.It takes about 3 weeks for them to arrive.
Then you can read them in the National Archives and
take notes or copy with a pen. They do not allow
photocopying!!!!!!
Shanah Tovah
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem
P.S. The person ,rather the Angel,who did it for me
did a wonderful job!!!!!


Austro Hungarian County boundaries unclear to me. #general

zionsharav
 

Both Zemplin and Szepes counties in modern Slovakia contained towns
named Dubrava at the time of the 1869 Magyar Census. "My" Dubrava (lat
48.88; long 22.36) is near the Ukraine border. I have checked Mapquest
and done Googles on these counties but have not found a county boundary
map with which to site Dubrava for purposes of census checking. Helpful
hints would be much appreciated.
-Ari Dale, MD (Israel)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How to get copies of naturalization in France? #general

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners,
from my own experience I can witness that you have to
find a person in France,preferably in Paris, who will
order the Naturalization files >from the National
Archives.It takes about 3 weeks for them to arrive.
Then you can read them in the National Archives and
take notes or copy with a pen. They do not allow
photocopying!!!!!!
Shanah Tovah
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem
P.S. The person ,rather the Angel,who did it for me
did a wonderful job!!!!!


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Austro Hungarian County boundaries unclear to me. #general

zionsharav
 

Both Zemplin and Szepes counties in modern Slovakia contained towns
named Dubrava at the time of the 1869 Magyar Census. "My" Dubrava (lat
48.88; long 22.36) is near the Ukraine border. I have checked Mapquest
and done Googles on these counties but have not found a county boundary
map with which to site Dubrava for purposes of census checking. Helpful
hints would be much appreciated.
-Ari Dale, MD (Israel)


Re: Jovra, Czechoslovakia #general

Uri Jakubovic
 

Renee Payne wrote on the 16th Sep. 2004:
On a passenger list I found family members whose town of origin was given
as Jovre, Czechoslovakia. Does anyone know where this is located and what
the current name/location would be? I believe that other members of the same
family were >from Ungvar/ Uzhgorod. Could they be close to each other.

+++++

The correct name is Jovre and it's the Ruthenian name for the Ukrainian name
Storozhnytsia / Storozhnicia / Storoznica (it might be other spellings).
Anyway, the C should be read as TS and the Z should be read as the French J.
The Hungarian name is Ordarma (over the O there are 2 apostrophes). There are
some "Jewish" spellings for jovra such as Jora or Yorah etc. This village is
close to Uzhorod/ Uzhhorod / Uzhgorod / Uzgorod, in Hungarian Ungvar.

Uri Jakubovic
Hadera, Israel

Researching: KLEIN (>from Mezocsat+Putnok), KENTNER (Tiszaluc), BERGER (Putnok),
GRUENFELD (Kunmadaras),JAKUBOVIC (Kolbasov+ Ulicske Krive+ Revuca)(Slovakia),
JOZA (Rimavska Sobota), BLOCH Rimavska Sobota+Liptovsky Hradok), WEIDMAN
(Ulicske Krive+Sahy = Ipolysag), KOHN (Sahy), WEISS (Rimavske Brezovo), KRAUSZ
Tarnovce + Botfalva + Ljuta (= Havaskoz)) + Uzhorod), WEISSBERGER (Humenne).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Jovra, Czechoslovakia #general

Uri Jakubovic
 

Renee Payne wrote on the 16th Sep. 2004:
On a passenger list I found family members whose town of origin was given
as Jovre, Czechoslovakia. Does anyone know where this is located and what
the current name/location would be? I believe that other members of the same
family were >from Ungvar/ Uzhgorod. Could they be close to each other.

+++++

The correct name is Jovre and it's the Ruthenian name for the Ukrainian name
Storozhnytsia / Storozhnicia / Storoznica (it might be other spellings).
Anyway, the C should be read as TS and the Z should be read as the French J.
The Hungarian name is Ordarma (over the O there are 2 apostrophes). There are
some "Jewish" spellings for jovra such as Jora or Yorah etc. This village is
close to Uzhorod/ Uzhhorod / Uzhgorod / Uzgorod, in Hungarian Ungvar.

Uri Jakubovic
Hadera, Israel

Researching: KLEIN (>from Mezocsat+Putnok), KENTNER (Tiszaluc), BERGER (Putnok),
GRUENFELD (Kunmadaras),JAKUBOVIC (Kolbasov+ Ulicske Krive+ Revuca)(Slovakia),
JOZA (Rimavska Sobota), BLOCH Rimavska Sobota+Liptovsky Hradok), WEIDMAN
(Ulicske Krive+Sahy = Ipolysag), KOHN (Sahy), WEISS (Rimavske Brezovo), KRAUSZ
Tarnovce + Botfalva + Ljuta (= Havaskoz)) + Uzhorod), WEISSBERGER (Humenne).


Re: Clarification of my "Jews living in Moscow" message #general

Alexander Sharon
 

<NFatouros@aol.com> wrote

When on Sept.15, 04 I responded to Michael Bernet's message about the
origin of names relating to the given name Moshe, Masha, Musya, etc., it
was not my intention to dispute what he wrote about the surname "Moskowitz"."
I was well aware that"Moskowitz" was not necessarily a toponym (place name).

I wanted only to correct his saying that "Jews were not allowed to live
in Moscow."
Hi,

Michael Bernet is correct in this sense that when name Moskowitz has been
allocated to the Jews which has happened somewhere between 1804 and 1834,
Jews could not have been Moscow residents.

Surname Moszkowicz has obviously originated >from the Pale territory and it
means son of Moszek. Moszek and Movsha have been graciously accepted by the
Russian anti-Semitic authorities as an alternative names for Moshe (Moses).
Moskowitz, Moscovits and the similar alternate names have been developed
lately with arrivals at the Western Europe and the New World.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Clarification of my "Jews living in Moscow" message #general

Alexander Sharon
 

<NFatouros@aol.com> wrote

When on Sept.15, 04 I responded to Michael Bernet's message about the
origin of names relating to the given name Moshe, Masha, Musya, etc., it
was not my intention to dispute what he wrote about the surname "Moskowitz"."
I was well aware that"Moskowitz" was not necessarily a toponym (place name).

I wanted only to correct his saying that "Jews were not allowed to live
in Moscow."
Hi,

Michael Bernet is correct in this sense that when name Moskowitz has been
allocated to the Jews which has happened somewhere between 1804 and 1834,
Jews could not have been Moscow residents.

Surname Moszkowicz has obviously originated >from the Pale territory and it
means son of Moszek. Moszek and Movsha have been graciously accepted by the
Russian anti-Semitic authorities as an alternative names for Moshe (Moses).
Moskowitz, Moscovits and the similar alternate names have been developed
lately with arrivals at the Western Europe and the New World.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island invites you to join us at our
September 26, 2004 meeting.

Topic: 24th International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
Our panel of attendees will discuss their experiences at the 2004
International Jewish Genealogy Conference in Jerusalem.

Time: 2:00PM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview,NY

Admission is free and all are welcome. Refreshments will be served. Resource
books will be available.

For more information please contact Rhoda, rmiller875@aol.com

Dates to remember:

October 24, 2004 - Our next regularly scheduled meeting
November 7, 2004 - Beginner's Workshop

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island invites you to join us at our
September 26, 2004 meeting.

Topic: 24th International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
Our panel of attendees will discuss their experiences at the 2004
International Jewish Genealogy Conference in Jerusalem.

Time: 2:00PM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview,NY

Admission is free and all are welcome. Refreshments will be served. Resource
books will be available.

For more information please contact Rhoda, rmiller875@aol.com

Dates to remember:

October 24, 2004 - Our next regularly scheduled meeting
November 7, 2004 - Beginner's Workshop

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President


Re: Moskowitz #general

Boaz Ben-Pelech <boaz@...>
 

Shanah Tova to all Genners,
looking for surname of Moskowitz
thanks, boaz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Moskowitz #general

Boaz Ben-Pelech <boaz@...>
 

Shanah Tova to all Genners,
looking for surname of Moskowitz
thanks, boaz


Fw: information about sosla #lithuania

Olga Zabludoff <oz@...>
 

SHANA TOVA .

I am informed by Rachmiel Kolton that the name SOSLA is not correct.
The correct name is in Lithuanian language ZASLAI or in Yiddish
ZOSLE, The location is not far >from KAUNAS.

Olga Zabludoff


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Fw: information about sosla #lithuania

Olga Zabludoff <oz@...>
 

SHANA TOVA .

I am informed by Rachmiel Kolton that the name SOSLA is not correct.
The correct name is in Lithuanian language ZASLAI or in Yiddish
ZOSLE, The location is not far >from KAUNAS.

Olga Zabludoff


Hello From Kozienice #poland

Berneman Lazare <lazare.berneman@...>
 

Shana tova ve metouka to all of you.
and thank you for all the help
__________________________________________________________________
Lazare Berneman
Lazareke >from KOZIENICE


JRI Poland #Poland Hello From Kozienice #poland

Berneman Lazare <lazare.berneman@...>
 

Shana tova ve metouka to all of you.
and thank you for all the help
__________________________________________________________________
Lazare Berneman
Lazareke >from KOZIENICE