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Re: No Names, No Places .... #general

Dick Plotz
 

Ben Forman wrote:

For years I've been searching for some detail on
my GGParents on my dads side. Family lore says they came to to England
from Poland, although the 1901 UK census says Germany. Family lore says
they changed their name on arriving in the UK to FORMAN as they were
tailers (FUR-MAN), but the gravestone for my GGF says son of Zvi FRMN.
But "furman" means carter (think Fuhrmann), not tailor. It was probably the
original name in Poland, most likely a part of Poland under German rule (there
was no independent country of Poland until after the war), given the 1901
census data.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA


Masha or Moussia #general

Rafael Gordon <rafail@...>
 

Dear genners,
Masha and Moussia, as well as Mura, are derivatives of the full Russian
name Maria. Jews who lived in Russia often gave their children Russian
names that later became common.
Leah Gordon
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: No Names, No Places .... #general

Dick Plotz
 

Ben Forman wrote:

For years I've been searching for some detail on
my GGParents on my dads side. Family lore says they came to to England
from Poland, although the 1901 UK census says Germany. Family lore says
they changed their name on arriving in the UK to FORMAN as they were
tailers (FUR-MAN), but the gravestone for my GGF says son of Zvi FRMN.
But "furman" means carter (think Fuhrmann), not tailor. It was probably the
original name in Poland, most likely a part of Poland under German rule (there
was no independent country of Poland until after the war), given the 1901
census data.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Masha or Moussia #general

Rafael Gordon <rafail@...>
 

Dear genners,
Masha and Moussia, as well as Mura, are derivatives of the full Russian
name Maria. Jews who lived in Russia often gave their children Russian
names that later became common.
Leah Gordon
New York


Re: When Can Immigrants Change Name? #general

Dick Plotz
 

Joanne Saltman wrote:

At least one of my ancestors just picked a new name after he came here-the
family story is that Slotnik was too ethnic sounding so he changed his name to
Goldstein-which he thought was more important and impressive.
That's not much of a change. "Slotnik" is >from a Slavic root meaning "gold".
It may reflect vanity, or a family occupation, or it may be a matronymic,
from Zlata, the Slavic form of Golda.
Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: When Can Immigrants Change Name? #general

Dick Plotz
 

Joanne Saltman wrote:

At least one of my ancestors just picked a new name after he came here-the
family story is that Slotnik was too ethnic sounding so he changed his name to
Goldstein-which he thought was more important and impressive.
That's not much of a change. "Slotnik" is >from a Slavic root meaning "gold".
It may reflect vanity, or a family occupation, or it may be a matronymic,
from Zlata, the Slavic form of Golda.
Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA


Ideas for No Place, No names #general

Steven Bloom <sbloom@...>
 

A quick look at the JRI-Poland database shows a large number of Furmans,
all over Poland, but not utterly huge. You should certainly look at the
indices on this site just to see if any names or places
seem familiar. The biggest groupings seem to be in Bialystok and Ciechanow,
but there are other clusters elsewhere. Its more likely they came from
Poland (considering the timing), but i'd check whatever records exist for
Germany as well (links >from jewishgen.org).

I know its a shot in the dark, but often a combination of hard work and
luck converts such shots into real success.

Steven D. Bloom
email: sbloom@email.hsc.edu


Ok so I need some advice ..... For years I've been searching for some detail on
my GGParents on my dads side. Family lore says they came to to England >from
Poland, although the 1901 UK census says Germany. Family lore says they changed
their name on arriving in the UK to FORMAN as they were tailers (FUR-MAN),but the
gravestone for my GGF says son of Zvi FRMN. All I know for definate is that they
arrived between 1899 and 1901 (since they had children 2 years apart one born
outside the UK one born in the UK. They were in Manchester by 1901 and I have the
addresses they lived at. My GGFs name was Woolf (hebrew name Zev ben Zvi),my GGMs
name was Rebeka (Rvka bat Abraham, nee GDELOWICZ).

Does anyone have any ideas on how I might find out more, I'm hoping synagogue
records for Manchester synagogues might help, but I'm unable to find them.

Any advice appreciated

Thanks

Ben


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ideas for No Place, No names #general

Steven Bloom <sbloom@...>
 

A quick look at the JRI-Poland database shows a large number of Furmans,
all over Poland, but not utterly huge. You should certainly look at the
indices on this site just to see if any names or places
seem familiar. The biggest groupings seem to be in Bialystok and Ciechanow,
but there are other clusters elsewhere. Its more likely they came from
Poland (considering the timing), but i'd check whatever records exist for
Germany as well (links >from jewishgen.org).

I know its a shot in the dark, but often a combination of hard work and
luck converts such shots into real success.

Steven D. Bloom
email: sbloom@email.hsc.edu


Ok so I need some advice ..... For years I've been searching for some detail on
my GGParents on my dads side. Family lore says they came to to England >from
Poland, although the 1901 UK census says Germany. Family lore says they changed
their name on arriving in the UK to FORMAN as they were tailers (FUR-MAN),but the
gravestone for my GGF says son of Zvi FRMN. All I know for definate is that they
arrived between 1899 and 1901 (since they had children 2 years apart one born
outside the UK one born in the UK. They were in Manchester by 1901 and I have the
addresses they lived at. My GGFs name was Woolf (hebrew name Zev ben Zvi),my GGMs
name was Rebeka (Rvka bat Abraham, nee GDELOWICZ).

Does anyone have any ideas on how I might find out more, I'm hoping synagogue
records for Manchester synagogues might help, but I'm unable to find them.

Any advice appreciated

Thanks

Ben


Researching the KLAUSNER Family #galicia

joel levinson <joel.levinson2@...>
 

I have just joined the group.I've been doing research for 5 years.I consider
myself to be a novice at both the researching and computer work in general.
I live in suburban New Jersey,USA.
My native and only language is English.

I know the names,birth and death dates of my great grandparents,grandparents
and their children up to the future.I have no information at all of my
grandfather's siblings and therefore our extended family.Discovering that
information is my purpose in joining this group.

My great grandfather Aron Jacob KLAUSNER,my grandfather Max KLAUSNER,Max's
siblings Herman,Willy,Rosa and Freida were born in Rytro,Poland. Our family
group included members of the families GOLDMAN, PAPERLE, WAFFENFELD, RUBIN and
ROZENSWEIG. There is the suggestion that there were relatives in
Galicia, perhaps Nowy Sacz and other cities. It is possible that there were
relatives involved in the toy, photography and glazier businesses.

Family members at different times left for the
US, Wein(Austria), Furth(Germany), Antwerp(Belgium) before the Holocaust. It is
believed that there were KLAUSNER relatives in Wein and Furth.

If anyone can provide any [Galicia] related information it would be most
appreciated. If any wants more detail regarding the information in this mail
please feel free to e-mail.

[MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately]

Joel Levinson

Long Branch,N.J.,USA

joel.levinson2@verizon.net


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Researching the KLAUSNER Family #galicia

joel levinson <joel.levinson2@...>
 

I have just joined the group.I've been doing research for 5 years.I consider
myself to be a novice at both the researching and computer work in general.
I live in suburban New Jersey,USA.
My native and only language is English.

I know the names,birth and death dates of my great grandparents,grandparents
and their children up to the future.I have no information at all of my
grandfather's siblings and therefore our extended family.Discovering that
information is my purpose in joining this group.

My great grandfather Aron Jacob KLAUSNER,my grandfather Max KLAUSNER,Max's
siblings Herman,Willy,Rosa and Freida were born in Rytro,Poland. Our family
group included members of the families GOLDMAN, PAPERLE, WAFFENFELD, RUBIN and
ROZENSWEIG. There is the suggestion that there were relatives in
Galicia, perhaps Nowy Sacz and other cities. It is possible that there were
relatives involved in the toy, photography and glazier businesses.

Family members at different times left for the
US, Wein(Austria), Furth(Germany), Antwerp(Belgium) before the Holocaust. It is
believed that there were KLAUSNER relatives in Wein and Furth.

If anyone can provide any [Galicia] related information it would be most
appreciated. If any wants more detail regarding the information in this mail
please feel free to e-mail.

[MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately]

Joel Levinson

Long Branch,N.J.,USA

joel.levinson2@verizon.net


Re: Miller/Meller-Pandelys; Baker/Bacher; Gayon ? #lithuania

m leonards <m_leonards@...>
 

Dear Stanley,

Is it possible that your grandfather is the Ytzir MELLER who arrived July
27, 1898 aboard the Barbarossa >from Bremen? He was a 30 year old labourer
from Kowno, going to his brother in Boston, Mass.
I've been compiling databases of immigrants >from Kupiskis and Pandelys.
Everyone who went to Maine went to the town of Auburn. Is that true of your
family as well?

You might want to look at the manifest for 10 year old Isidor Miller who
arrived October 25, 1902 >from Rotterdam. He was also >from Kowno, and
travelling with 30-year old "Lettish" Jan Riger. Both were going to
Isidor's brother M. Miller in Auburn, Me.

I think immigrants sometimes gave the name of the Gubernia, rather than the
small towns where they lived.

Have you checked the Boston passenger lists for the 1902 arrivals?

Finally, look at the All Litvak Database. There you will find the BOCHER
family of Kvetkai, NovoAlexandrovsk (Zarasai) uyezd. The head of the
family, Shaia-Leib, son of Boruch, was born in Gajunai, Panevevezys
District.

Good luck in your research.
Monica Leonards
suburban Philadelphia


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Miller/Meller-Pandelys; Baker/Bacher; Gayon ? #lithuania

m leonards <m_leonards@...>
 

Dear Stanley,

Is it possible that your grandfather is the Ytzir MELLER who arrived July
27, 1898 aboard the Barbarossa >from Bremen? He was a 30 year old labourer
from Kowno, going to his brother in Boston, Mass.
I've been compiling databases of immigrants >from Kupiskis and Pandelys.
Everyone who went to Maine went to the town of Auburn. Is that true of your
family as well?

You might want to look at the manifest for 10 year old Isidor Miller who
arrived October 25, 1902 >from Rotterdam. He was also >from Kowno, and
travelling with 30-year old "Lettish" Jan Riger. Both were going to
Isidor's brother M. Miller in Auburn, Me.

I think immigrants sometimes gave the name of the Gubernia, rather than the
small towns where they lived.

Have you checked the Boston passenger lists for the 1902 arrivals?

Finally, look at the All Litvak Database. There you will find the BOCHER
family of Kvetkai, NovoAlexandrovsk (Zarasai) uyezd. The head of the
family, Shaia-Leib, son of Boruch, was born in Gajunai, Panevevezys
District.

Good luck in your research.
Monica Leonards
suburban Philadelphia


Re: Masha or Musa? #general

Maria <elena@...>
 

Masha was a common Yiddish name in Russia. Perhaps
it was derived >from a Russian nickname for a more formal name?
Bert
=====

I believe it to be a diminutive for Marya (Miriam?).

The Masha I know best is in "The Seagull".

When Marie Curie was Marya Sklodowska, in Warsaw, her nickname was Manya.

Maria Torres
elena@pipeline.com
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN, MOSTOW, IMONITOFF, ZELLAT (Latvia, PA, GA, NY)
NOTIS (Kovno, NY)
KUNST (Poland, PA), PADEREWSKI (Poland, Savannah)
PHILLIPS (PSCHEDESKI, PRZDECKI, DADACZ), LEVY, POMERANZ, ZEPLINSKY, FRANKEL
(Poland, NY, KY) RYBINSKI (Poland, UK) DANIELSKI (Przdecz Poland)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Masha or Musa? #general

Maria <elena@...>
 

Masha was a common Yiddish name in Russia. Perhaps
it was derived >from a Russian nickname for a more formal name?
Bert
=====

I believe it to be a diminutive for Marya (Miriam?).

The Masha I know best is in "The Seagull".

When Marie Curie was Marya Sklodowska, in Warsaw, her nickname was Manya.

Maria Torres
elena@pipeline.com
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN, MOSTOW, IMONITOFF, ZELLAT (Latvia, PA, GA, NY)
NOTIS (Kovno, NY)
KUNST (Poland, PA), PADEREWSKI (Poland, Savannah)
PHILLIPS (PSCHEDESKI, PRZDECKI, DADACZ), LEVY, POMERANZ, ZEPLINSKY, FRANKEL
(Poland, NY, KY) RYBINSKI (Poland, UK) DANIELSKI (Przdecz Poland)


Rabbi Moses of Copenhagen #scandinavia

Nancy Holden
 

Wow.

Thanks so much that was a wonderful find. That is the first confirmation
that I have had about Rabbi Moses of Copenhagen other than the small article
in Enc. Jud. giving a little history. He is also mentioned in the Otzar
HaRabbanim as number 14361. He was >from the tri-community of Altona,
Wandsbeck and Hamburg. Son of "Rosh Josef" (Joseph ben Jacob of Pinchov, his
mother was Deborah, daughter of Moses Kremer of Vilna (the grandfather of
the Goan of Vilna). He was born about 1706 probably in Kosovo, Belarus and
may have died in Vilna as the encyclopedia article mentions him as "of"
Copenhagen and Vilna.

Is there any way of discovering more about him? He was married to the
daughter of Solomon Zalman >from Brisk but I do not know her name.

His children were Chaim, Joel, Joseph of Lomza and Mirka.

Thanks again
Nancy Holden
Pasadena CA


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Rabbi Moses of Copenhagen #scandinavia

Nancy Holden
 

Wow.

Thanks so much that was a wonderful find. That is the first confirmation
that I have had about Rabbi Moses of Copenhagen other than the small article
in Enc. Jud. giving a little history. He is also mentioned in the Otzar
HaRabbanim as number 14361. He was >from the tri-community of Altona,
Wandsbeck and Hamburg. Son of "Rosh Josef" (Joseph ben Jacob of Pinchov, his
mother was Deborah, daughter of Moses Kremer of Vilna (the grandfather of
the Goan of Vilna). He was born about 1706 probably in Kosovo, Belarus and
may have died in Vilna as the encyclopedia article mentions him as "of"
Copenhagen and Vilna.

Is there any way of discovering more about him? He was married to the
daughter of Solomon Zalman >from Brisk but I do not know her name.

His children were Chaim, Joel, Joseph of Lomza and Mirka.

Thanks again
Nancy Holden
Pasadena CA


Intro to Jewish Genealogy, Center for Jewish History, NYC #southafrica

Robert Friedman <rfriedman@...>
 

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of =
family history
research, with ample time allowed for questions and answers. Beginning =
steps include
oral history, "family archives" containing treasured photographs and =
documents,
and selected Internet sites. Most information, however, must still be =
gleaned from
source documents such as the US census, immigration and naturalization =
papers, vital
records, cemetery and funeral home records, newspapers, city =
directories, and telephone
books. Special topics to consider while searching for relatives include =
the origins
of Jewish surnames, language and spelling variations, the accuracy and =
completeness
of records, and the historical context in which various records were =
created and
used.

LIMITED ENROLLMENT -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@cjh.org

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates with the =
CJH partners--the
American Jewish Historical Society, the American Sephardi Federation, =
the Leo Baeck
Institute, the Yeshiva University Museum, and the YIVO Institute for =
Jewish Research--to
provide access to family history reference materials, answer questions =
about family
history research, orient family history researchers to the collections =
at CJH, and offer=20
programs on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@cjh.org
www.cjh.org/family/


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Intro to Jewish Genealogy, Center for Jewish History, NYC #southafrica

Robert Friedman <rfriedman@...>
 

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of =
family history
research, with ample time allowed for questions and answers. Beginning =
steps include
oral history, "family archives" containing treasured photographs and =
documents,
and selected Internet sites. Most information, however, must still be =
gleaned from
source documents such as the US census, immigration and naturalization =
papers, vital
records, cemetery and funeral home records, newspapers, city =
directories, and telephone
books. Special topics to consider while searching for relatives include =
the origins
of Jewish surnames, language and spelling variations, the accuracy and =
completeness
of records, and the historical context in which various records were =
created and
used.

LIMITED ENROLLMENT -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@cjh.org

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates with the =
CJH partners--the
American Jewish Historical Society, the American Sephardi Federation, =
the Leo Baeck
Institute, the Yeshiva University Museum, and the YIVO Institute for =
Jewish Research--to
provide access to family history reference materials, answer questions =
about family
history research, orient family history researchers to the collections =
at CJH, and offer=20
programs on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@cjh.org
www.cjh.org/family/


Kew look-up request #unitedkingdom

Alice Josephs
 

A TNA catalogue search indicates that the background papers of the
naturalisation application of Jacob BELINKIN (1885-1926) have now been
made available. In my previous efforts to obtain copies of these
records (with the assistance of a kind London genner) the files were
classified as closed.

If any fellow genner on this list is planning a visit to Kew and would
be willing to do a simple look-up, I'd be very grateful. I have the
relevant file ref.numbers.

Please contact me privately: jnblank@netvision.net.il

Joel Blankett
Jerusalem, Israel

Just a couple of points about this posting which I hope is helpful to
Joel and others.

You can order these documents online at the National Archives website
and they will be sent either by snail mail in paper form or, if the
customer chooses, digitized form by email.

For any closed documents, you have to apply to the Home Office Record
Management Services, Room 155, 50 Queen Anne's Gate, London SW1H 9AT

This can admittedly take a couple of months but it's certainly worth
doing if documents will be closed for a few years. I did this myself
for my grandfather and they were released about four months after I
wrote to them.

Alice Josephs

JOSEPHS (JABLUSZKO) ROZENBERG, Ciechanow, DON GOLDMACHER GURMAN Pultusk,
Poland STERN Heppenheim a/d Bergstrasse HERZ Kochendorf
MARKUS Otterstadt & Hainchen GRUEN GRUENEWALD MARKUS Roedelheim, Germany
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealice/


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Kew look-up request #unitedkingdom

Alice Josephs
 

A TNA catalogue search indicates that the background papers of the
naturalisation application of Jacob BELINKIN (1885-1926) have now been
made available. In my previous efforts to obtain copies of these
records (with the assistance of a kind London genner) the files were
classified as closed.

If any fellow genner on this list is planning a visit to Kew and would
be willing to do a simple look-up, I'd be very grateful. I have the
relevant file ref.numbers.

Please contact me privately: jnblank@netvision.net.il

Joel Blankett
Jerusalem, Israel

Just a couple of points about this posting which I hope is helpful to
Joel and others.

You can order these documents online at the National Archives website
and they will be sent either by snail mail in paper form or, if the
customer chooses, digitized form by email.

For any closed documents, you have to apply to the Home Office Record
Management Services, Room 155, 50 Queen Anne's Gate, London SW1H 9AT

This can admittedly take a couple of months but it's certainly worth
doing if documents will be closed for a few years. I did this myself
for my grandfather and they were released about four months after I
wrote to them.

Alice Josephs

JOSEPHS (JABLUSZKO) ROZENBERG, Ciechanow, DON GOLDMACHER GURMAN Pultusk,
Poland STERN Heppenheim a/d Bergstrasse HERZ Kochendorf
MARKUS Otterstadt & Hainchen GRUEN GRUENEWALD MARKUS Roedelheim, Germany
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealice/