Cohentalk@aol.com wrote on 9/6/04, 1:47 PM:

> Dear Members,
>
> Sometimes, parents chose names for their babies that were another form
> of their own names or so similar, that I wonder if they did this from
> lack of naming knowledge. Did the rabbis advise those parents,
> beforehand? I am referring to my g gm who's name was Roza and her
> daughter was named Racza and called Rotzi.
>
> Is there any connection between the female names Seva and Sheindel?
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Linda Cohen
> Michigan USA

Linda,

Roza and Racza are probably not forms of the same name, just two very
similar ones that can be confounding when trying to sort out who's who
on old docs (as with Rozi and Rezi).

That's why it is so important to figure out what people's Jewish ritual
names were-it's often the only way to tell who is who when the secular
names seem indistinguishable (or are mispelled).

If it helps, the women in my file named Racse or Rasche were Ruchel or
Reizel in Jewish.

An "Americaner" example: My Jewish ritual name is <MALKA> but my secular
name is <MINDY> which in American culture is often assumed to be
diminutive for Melinda and in Jewish culture is thought to be Mindel. My
American born mother could easily have the Jewish ritual name <Milka>
(if interested see Numbers 26:33) and the secular name <Mandy>. A
confusing but entirely possible scenario (that would not require the
advice of a Rabbi).

My GGgrandmother was Sheva spelled either Seva or Cseva on the 1869
census. She was Evelina in Hungarian. Descendants named after her are
either Sheva, Batsheva or Elisheva. And to illustrate the "no
correlation" rule, some of the corresponding secular names (Hungarian
and American) were/are Ilonka, Erszebet, Charlotte, Stacey and even
Marcy Susan (ShevaMindel).

Sheindel is a different Jewish name than Sheva. I think it means pretty
in yiddish. My tante was a Sheindel/Cecilia combo but there are several
others.

Mindy Soclof
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Cohentalk@aol.com wrote on 9/6/04, 1:47 PM:

> Dear Members,
>
> Sometimes, parents chose names for their babies that were another form
> of their own names or so similar, that I wonder if they did this from
> lack of naming knowledge. Did the rabbis advise those parents,
> beforehand? I am referring to my g gm who's name was Roza and her
> daughter was named Racza and called Rotzi.
>
> Is there any connection between the female names Seva and Sheindel?
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Linda Cohen
> Michigan USA

Linda,

Roza and Racza are probably not forms of the same name, just two very
similar ones that can be confounding when trying to sort out who's who
on old docs (as with Rozi and Rezi).

That's why it is so important to figure out what people's Jewish ritual
names were-it's often the only way to tell who is who when the secular
names seem indistinguishable (or are mispelled).

If it helps, the women in my file named Racse or Rasche were Ruchel or
Reizel in Jewish.

An "Americaner" example: My Jewish ritual name is <MALKA> but my secular
name is <MINDY> which in American culture is often assumed to be
diminutive for Melinda and in Jewish culture is thought to be Mindel. My
American born mother could easily have the Jewish ritual name <Milka>
(if interested see Numbers 26:33) and the secular name <Mandy>. A
confusing but entirely possible scenario (that would not require the
advice of a Rabbi).

My GGgrandmother was Sheva spelled either Seva or Cseva on the 1869
census. She was Evelina in Hungarian. Descendants named after her are
either Sheva, Batsheva or Elisheva. And to illustrate the "no
correlation" rule, some of the corresponding secular names (Hungarian
and American) were/are Ilonka, Erszebet, Charlotte, Stacey and even
Marcy Susan (ShevaMindel).

Sheindel is a different Jewish name than Sheva. I think it means pretty
in yiddish. My tante was a Sheindel/Cecilia combo but there are several
others.

Mindy Soclof
Ann Arbor, Michigan

I posted on Viewmate 2 wedding pictures dating back to the late 1920's or
early 1930's in New York, which I found among my late mother's papers. We
haven't been able to link these people to our family tree, & chances are
that they were friends of my aunts. My mother's family immigrated to the US

from southern Galicia in 1920, & their circle of friends was of similar

origin. If anyone recognizes these people, please reply privately & I'll be
happy to send you the photo. Check at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4675
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4676

Best wishes for a happy New Year,
Chana Saadia
Israel
researching: GOLDMAN, HOLLANDER & related families - Gorlice area
SEIDMAN & related families - Tarnopol area & Vienna

I posted on Viewmate 2 wedding pictures dating back to the late 1920's or
early 1930's in New York, which I found among my late mother's papers. We
haven't been able to link these people to our family tree, & chances are
that they were friends of my aunts. My mother's family immigrated to the US

from southern Galicia in 1920, & their circle of friends was of similar

origin. If anyone recognizes these people, please reply privately & I'll be
happy to send you the photo. Check at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4675
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4676

Best wishes for a happy New Year,
Chana Saadia
Israel
researching: GOLDMAN, HOLLANDER & related families - Gorlice area
SEIDMAN & related families - Tarnopol area & Vienna

I have him lastly in the 1901 census -

from the 1901 census - age: 30 - where born: Lancs Tottenfield Manchester -

Aministrative County: Essex - Civil Parish: Chingford - Occupation: Clerk
Engineer
after that nothing
The free BMD has never given me much luck
Pierre

I have him lastly in the 1901 census -

from the 1901 census - age: 30 - where born: Lancs Tottenfield Manchester -

Aministrative County: Essex - Civil Parish: Chingford - Occupation: Clerk
Engineer
after that nothing
The free BMD has never given me much luck
Pierre

HARRY / ISSAC KOLKSKY

I am interested to find his burial plot and exact date of death (sometime
in 1945) also for saying Kaddish but have no further information.
If someone can provide me with the telephone no of the burial society or if
someone is going to the grounds and can locate and possibly photograph the
stone I would be extremely gratefull.
His wife was HELEN nee GOLDBERG and son BARRY (both living in Israel)
Also if anyone knows of any possible relatives to him Brothers/Sisters/
nephiews etc I would be very gratefull.

Please reply privately to me
Michael Lixenberg

ftrvideo@bezeqint.net

HARRY / ISSAC KOLKSKY

I am interested to find his burial plot and exact date of death (sometime
in 1945) also for saying Kaddish but have no further information.
If someone can provide me with the telephone no of the burial society or if
someone is going to the grounds and can locate and possibly photograph the
stone I would be extremely gratefull.
His wife was HELEN nee GOLDBERG and son BARRY (both living in Israel)
Also if anyone knows of any possible relatives to him Brothers/Sisters/
nephiews etc I would be very gratefull.

Please reply privately to me
Michael Lixenberg

ftrvideo@bezeqint.net

Dear Fellow Members,
This is a second message about two portraits I have posted on the Viewmate
site http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html - Numbers VM4678 &
VM4679
Just in case you haven't had a chance to check them out, please have a look
at them now before they are removed.

Although I can make out terrific resemblances to my maternal grandfather's
family, I cannot place these women. I would guess that the dark-complexioned
woman seems to have been a daughter or sister (given name - Gitl??
Tsivya?? ) of Pesach GOTLIBOVICH >from Cherkassy, Ukraine.
Do you recognize the ribbon she has on her dress? She appears to be wearing
a graduation gown of some sort.

The slender fair-haired woman may have been a relative to KOROSTYSHEVSKY or
GOTLIBOVICH. She is 16 years old in the photo which was taken in 1919. Does
she look like anyone you recognize?

Can you identify either of them? If you can help, please contact me
privately at haflo@shaw.ca

Many thanks,
Florence Elman
haflo@shaw.ca

Dear Fellow Members,
This is a second message about two portraits I have posted on the Viewmate
site http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html - Numbers VM4678 &
VM4679
Just in case you haven't had a chance to check them out, please have a look
at them now before they are removed.

Although I can make out terrific resemblances to my maternal grandfather's
family, I cannot place these women. I would guess that the dark-complexioned
woman seems to have been a daughter or sister (given name - Gitl??
Tsivya?? ) of Pesach GOTLIBOVICH >from Cherkassy, Ukraine.
Do you recognize the ribbon she has on her dress? She appears to be wearing
a graduation gown of some sort.

The slender fair-haired woman may have been a relative to KOROSTYSHEVSKY or
GOTLIBOVICH. She is 16 years old in the photo which was taken in 1919. Does
she look like anyone you recognize?

Can you identify either of them? If you can help, please contact me
privately at haflo@shaw.ca

Many thanks,
Florence Elman
haflo@shaw.ca

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of
family history research, with ample time allowed for questions and
answers. Beginning steps include oral history, "family archives"
containing treasured photographs and documents, and selected Internet
sites. Most information, however, must still be gleaned >from source
documents such as the US census, immigration and naturalization papers,
vital records, cemetery and funeral home records, newspapers, city
directories, and telephone books. Special topics to consider while
searching for relatives include the origins of Jewish surnames,
language and spelling variations, the accuracy and completeness
of records, and the historical context in which various records were
created and used.

LIMITED ENROLLMENT -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@cjh.org

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates
with the CJH partners--the American Jewish Historical Society,
the American Sephardi Federation, the Leo Baeck Institute, the
Yeshiva University Museum, and the YIVO Institute for Jewish
Research--to provide access to family history reference materials,
answer questions about family history research, orient family
history researchers to the collections at CJH, and offer programs
on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@cjh.org
www.cjh.org/family/

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of
family history research, with ample time allowed for questions and
answers. Beginning steps include oral history, "family archives"
containing treasured photographs and documents, and selected Internet
sites. Most information, however, must still be gleaned >from source
documents such as the US census, immigration and naturalization papers,
vital records, cemetery and funeral home records, newspapers, city
directories, and telephone books. Special topics to consider while
searching for relatives include the origins of Jewish surnames,
language and spelling variations, the accuracy and completeness
of records, and the historical context in which various records were
created and used.

LIMITED ENROLLMENT -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@cjh.org

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates
with the CJH partners--the American Jewish Historical Society,
the American Sephardi Federation, the Leo Baeck Institute, the
Yeshiva University Museum, and the YIVO Institute for Jewish
Research--to provide access to family history reference materials,
answer questions about family history research, orient family
history researchers to the collections at CJH, and offer programs
on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@cjh.org
www.cjh.org/family/

Dear genners,

I couldn't resist "jumping" in on this one. Some of our ancestors changed
names faster than you change your clothes.

My late husband's grandfather, mother and uncles entered the USA in 1906 from
Zlatapol. The passenger manifest lists the name as CHRAMZONKE. Two of his
mother's sisters had come earlier with the same name, albeit some variation in the
spelling.

The 1910 US Federal Census lists the name as HAMSHANSKY. By the 1920 US Federal
Census the name was ORCHEN.

There is no evidence of any legal name change. His grfa never became a US
citizen before his death in 1928. His mother did not become a citizen until the
early 1940s. She was already married and the marriage records list her name as
ORCHEN.

There has never been an explaination as to where the name came >from or why it
was changed.


Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@aol.com

Thanks to Ada Green for her excellent summary of landsmanschaft plots in NY
cemeteries. Ada was too modest to mention in her post the huge number of these
plots which she has indexed and contributed to JOWBR--dozens and dozens and
dozens.

Shana Tova to all.

Joyce Field
jfield@jewishgen.org
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/

Dear genners,

I couldn't resist "jumping" in on this one. Some of our ancestors changed
names faster than you change your clothes.

My late husband's grandfather, mother and uncles entered the USA in 1906 from
Zlatapol. The passenger manifest lists the name as CHRAMZONKE. Two of his
mother's sisters had come earlier with the same name, albeit some variation in the
spelling.

The 1910 US Federal Census lists the name as HAMSHANSKY. By the 1920 US Federal
Census the name was ORCHEN.

There is no evidence of any legal name change. His grfa never became a US
citizen before his death in 1928. His mother did not become a citizen until the
early 1940s. She was already married and the marriage records list her name as
ORCHEN.

There has never been an explaination as to where the name came >from or why it
was changed.


Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@aol.com

Thanks to Ada Green for her excellent summary of landsmanschaft plots in NY
cemeteries. Ada was too modest to mention in her post the huge number of these
plots which she has indexed and contributed to JOWBR--dozens and dozens and
dozens.

Shana Tova to all.

Joyce Field
jfield@jewishgen.org
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/

Hello Genners;

I need your help and or suggestions.

The PICKHOLTZ (all spellings) research group has located two boys in the English
1901 Census.
1: Morris Pichols, age 7, born in Cape Colony, and a student at the Jew's
Hospital and Orphan Asylum School;
2: Jacob S. Pickholz, age 13, a citizen of Russia, and a student at the Hayes
Industrial School for Jewish Boys.

After trying many of the suggestions given >from a past posting, ie. try the new
owners of the school; Southampton College Library; Archivist for the schools; the
London Archives, I still know nothing.

I am trying to find anything about these boys--- what may have happened to them;
are they still alive, who were their parents; how they came to be students at
these schools, anything.

Can You help?????????

Steve Pickholtz
Tabernacle, New Jersey
USA
searching-- PICKHOLTZ (all spellings)and WINITSKY (all spellings)

Hello Genners;

I need your help and or suggestions.

The PICKHOLTZ (all spellings) research group has located two boys in the English
1901 Census.
1: Morris Pichols, age 7, born in Cape Colony, and a student at the Jew's
Hospital and Orphan Asylum School;
2: Jacob S. Pickholz, age 13, a citizen of Russia, and a student at the Hayes
Industrial School for Jewish Boys.

After trying many of the suggestions given >from a past posting, ie. try the new
owners of the school; Southampton College Library; Archivist for the schools; the
London Archives, I still know nothing.

I am trying to find anything about these boys--- what may have happened to them;
are they still alive, who were their parents; how they came to be students at
these schools, anything.

Can You help?????????

Steve Pickholtz
Tabernacle, New Jersey
USA
searching-- PICKHOLTZ (all spellings)and WINITSKY (all spellings)

Would someone kindly translate the written words that I found on the back of a
photo of 4 children? Much appreciated.

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4683

Thank you and please respond privately,
Barbara Meyers
babycat3@aol.com
NJ, USA

Would someone kindly translate the written words that I found on the back of a
photo of 4 children? Much appreciated.

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4683

Thank you and please respond privately,
Barbara Meyers
babycat3@aol.com
NJ, USA