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Re: Learning Original Surname #ukraine

Doug Cohen
 

Names were never never never changed at Ellis Island. Manifest forms were
filled out on board ship, and only checked off by the Ellis Island
personnel. Name changes usually took place as part of the naturalization
process, some 7+ years after immigration.

Find your immigrant ancestor's naturalization papers; they will tell you
the name under which s/he immigrated -- and the ship so that you can find
the immigration manifest.

Naturalization papers will be filed in the archives of the appropriate
court. Where did your immigrant ancestor reside? US Archives for that area
will have the naturalization papers.

Good luck.

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
DMC@dmcohen.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheriUnger@aol.com>

I've just started to research my mother's family who came form (we think)
Fastov, Ukraine.
One of my major problems is that I have no idea what the family's original
name was.

It was "Americanized" to BELOFF when they hit Ellis Island and as of now,
they have no relationship to other Beloff's.

Can anyone give me some help in determining the original name?
Thanks,

Cheri Ungerleider


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Learning Original Surname #ukraine

Doug Cohen
 

Names were never never never changed at Ellis Island. Manifest forms were
filled out on board ship, and only checked off by the Ellis Island
personnel. Name changes usually took place as part of the naturalization
process, some 7+ years after immigration.

Find your immigrant ancestor's naturalization papers; they will tell you
the name under which s/he immigrated -- and the ship so that you can find
the immigration manifest.

Naturalization papers will be filed in the archives of the appropriate
court. Where did your immigrant ancestor reside? US Archives for that area
will have the naturalization papers.

Good luck.

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
DMC@dmcohen.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheriUnger@aol.com>

I've just started to research my mother's family who came form (we think)
Fastov, Ukraine.
One of my major problems is that I have no idea what the family's original
name was.

It was "Americanized" to BELOFF when they hit Ellis Island and as of now,
they have no relationship to other Beloff's.

Can anyone give me some help in determining the original name?
Thanks,

Cheri Ungerleider


Re: For our Ontario and Quebec experts #general

Barry Spinner <bspinner@...>
 

Subject: For our Ontario and Quebec experts

A question for our Ontario and Quebec experts:
I met with a cousin in New York last week concerning the
mystery of the arrival records of my great-grandfather
Aron TALALAY
He was born there in 1876. According to family history, he spent
(over the Jewish holidays) in Canada and then took the train to New York

Some 6 years ago I checked line by line of the St. Alban's
and Montreal manifests, finding no similar name that could
possibly be my GGF. Of course, a false name could have been given.

The family story is that he went to Canada to visit two
brothers there. I have never been able to find any information
on any similar name in Quebec or in Ontario.

Reply

Yes there is something new in Quebec records. Canadian census enumerators
asked questions about religion as well as ethnicity in different decades.

Glen Eker of Hamilton, Ontario is publishing a series of books that detail
Jewish residents recorded in various Canadian censuses.

He is doing this through the Ontario Genea. Society (see Toronto). So far
there are two published.
http://www.ogs.on.ca/publications/search/index.php
Jews Resident in Ontario According to the 1851 to 1901 Censuses of Canada

The book on Quebec has recently been sent to the publisher.

If one thinks that the relatives in question were in a Quebec city (or any
Ontario location) in 1901, then these publications may be of interest. Of
course all the problems of surname variation as discussed remain, but family
groupings are self-evident in these census records.

I will enquire of Mr. Eker whether he would entertain off-line queries.

Barry Spinner
President JGS - Hamilton & area


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: For our Ontario and Quebec experts #general

Barry Spinner <bspinner@...>
 

Subject: For our Ontario and Quebec experts

A question for our Ontario and Quebec experts:
I met with a cousin in New York last week concerning the
mystery of the arrival records of my great-grandfather
Aron TALALAY
He was born there in 1876. According to family history, he spent
(over the Jewish holidays) in Canada and then took the train to New York

Some 6 years ago I checked line by line of the St. Alban's
and Montreal manifests, finding no similar name that could
possibly be my GGF. Of course, a false name could have been given.

The family story is that he went to Canada to visit two
brothers there. I have never been able to find any information
on any similar name in Quebec or in Ontario.

Reply

Yes there is something new in Quebec records. Canadian census enumerators
asked questions about religion as well as ethnicity in different decades.

Glen Eker of Hamilton, Ontario is publishing a series of books that detail
Jewish residents recorded in various Canadian censuses.

He is doing this through the Ontario Genea. Society (see Toronto). So far
there are two published.
http://www.ogs.on.ca/publications/search/index.php
Jews Resident in Ontario According to the 1851 to 1901 Censuses of Canada

The book on Quebec has recently been sent to the publisher.

If one thinks that the relatives in question were in a Quebec city (or any
Ontario location) in 1901, then these publications may be of interest. Of
course all the problems of surname variation as discussed remain, but family
groupings are self-evident in these census records.

I will enquire of Mr. Eker whether he would entertain off-line queries.

Barry Spinner
President JGS - Hamilton & area


Learning Original Surname #ukraine

CheriUnger@...
 

Hello,

I've just started to research my mother's family who came form (we think)
Fastov, Ukraine.
One of my major problems is that I have no idea what the family's original
name was.

It was "Americanized" to BELOFF when they hit Ellis Island and as of now,
they have no relationship to other Beloff's.

Can anyone give me some help in determining the original name?
Thanks,

Cheri Ungerleider
Searching: BELOFF Fastov, Ukraine

MODERATOR'S NOTE:*Subject changed by moderator. Use a relevant title so that readers
will find your message more more interesting to read.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Learning Original Surname #ukraine

CheriUnger@...
 

Hello,

I've just started to research my mother's family who came form (we think)
Fastov, Ukraine.
One of my major problems is that I have no idea what the family's original
name was.

It was "Americanized" to BELOFF when they hit Ellis Island and as of now,
they have no relationship to other Beloff's.

Can anyone give me some help in determining the original name?
Thanks,

Cheri Ungerleider
Searching: BELOFF Fastov, Ukraine

MODERATOR'S NOTE:*Subject changed by moderator. Use a relevant title so that readers
will find your message more more interesting to read.


JGSLA September 20 meeting to feature Arthur Benveniste and Sephardic Jews #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles (JGSLA) will meet on Monday
September 20, 2004 at 7:30 p.m at the Skirball Cultural Center. The program
speaker is Arthur Benveniste talking on: Secret Jews: History and Culture of
Crypto-Jews and Their Search for Jewish Roots and Identity.

Arthur Benveniste is the past president, the Society for Crypto Judaic
Studies and co-editor, HaLapid, the Society's journal. In 1992, he was
invited by King Juan Carlos of Spain to attend the quincentennial
commemoration of the expulsion of the Jews. During this time, the edict of
expulsion was finally repealed. During that year on Tisha B'av he
participated in the first Jewish religious service in La Blanca Synagogue in
Toledo since 1391 . He has visited Jewish sites in: Spain, Portugal,
Italy, Morocco, Turkey and Greece.

In the 14th and 15th centuries, Jews of Spain and Portugal were forced to
convert to Catholicism or leave. Many families kept the knowledge of their
Jewish past for 500 years, transmitting it in secret to their children and
often continuing to practice Jewish rites covertly. Now, descendents of
these Crypto-Jews ( also known as Conversos, Marranos and Anuism) are
reconnecting with their Jewish heritage. This presentation will follow the
history of the forced conversions of Spanish and Portuguese Jews, the
emergence of Crypto-Judaism, how these communities came to the Americas, and
the discovery of their Jewish background by many Hispanics today.

This meeting is co-sponsored with the Skirball Cultural Center.

Non-members are welcome and there is no charge for attending.

Location: Skirball Cultural Center- Magnin Auditorium 2701 N. Sepulveda
Blvd.

Directions: Exit the San Diego Fwy at Skirball Center Drive. Right onto
Sepulveda Blvd. and right again into Skirball parking, opposite Center
entrance, or turn left on Herscher Drive, north of the Center, to the
underground parking lot.

For more information on the JGSLA please visit our website:
http://JGSLA.org

Jan Meisels Allen
vice president-programs, JGSLA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSLA September 20 meeting to feature Arthur Benveniste and Sephardic Jews #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles (JGSLA) will meet on Monday
September 20, 2004 at 7:30 p.m at the Skirball Cultural Center. The program
speaker is Arthur Benveniste talking on: Secret Jews: History and Culture of
Crypto-Jews and Their Search for Jewish Roots and Identity.

Arthur Benveniste is the past president, the Society for Crypto Judaic
Studies and co-editor, HaLapid, the Society's journal. In 1992, he was
invited by King Juan Carlos of Spain to attend the quincentennial
commemoration of the expulsion of the Jews. During this time, the edict of
expulsion was finally repealed. During that year on Tisha B'av he
participated in the first Jewish religious service in La Blanca Synagogue in
Toledo since 1391 . He has visited Jewish sites in: Spain, Portugal,
Italy, Morocco, Turkey and Greece.

In the 14th and 15th centuries, Jews of Spain and Portugal were forced to
convert to Catholicism or leave. Many families kept the knowledge of their
Jewish past for 500 years, transmitting it in secret to their children and
often continuing to practice Jewish rites covertly. Now, descendents of
these Crypto-Jews ( also known as Conversos, Marranos and Anuism) are
reconnecting with their Jewish heritage. This presentation will follow the
history of the forced conversions of Spanish and Portuguese Jews, the
emergence of Crypto-Judaism, how these communities came to the Americas, and
the discovery of their Jewish background by many Hispanics today.

This meeting is co-sponsored with the Skirball Cultural Center.

Non-members are welcome and there is no charge for attending.

Location: Skirball Cultural Center- Magnin Auditorium 2701 N. Sepulveda
Blvd.

Directions: Exit the San Diego Fwy at Skirball Center Drive. Right onto
Sepulveda Blvd. and right again into Skirball parking, opposite Center
entrance, or turn left on Herscher Drive, north of the Center, to the
underground parking lot.

For more information on the JGSLA please visit our website:
http://JGSLA.org

Jan Meisels Allen
vice president-programs, JGSLA


need help with information from Tablada and Berazategui cemeteries in Buenos Aires #latinamerica

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Dear members,

I wonder if anyone living locally in Buenos Aires will
be visiting the local Jewish Cememteries any time
soon. I would like to get information >from a few
tombstones located in the following cemeteries:

Tablada
Berazategui

I can provide the exact cemetery location and name on
the stone, but would like to know what other
information is listed on the stone. If anyone will be
visiting these cememteries and could copy down
information for me, I would greatly appreciate it.

Please contact me privately.

Sincerely,
Elizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA


Latin America #LatinAmerica need help with information from Tablada and Berazategui cemeteries in Buenos Aires #latinamerica

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Dear members,

I wonder if anyone living locally in Buenos Aires will
be visiting the local Jewish Cememteries any time
soon. I would like to get information >from a few
tombstones located in the following cemeteries:

Tablada
Berazategui

I can provide the exact cemetery location and name on
the stone, but would like to know what other
information is listed on the stone. If anyone will be
visiting these cememteries and could copy down
information for me, I would greatly appreciate it.

Please contact me privately.

Sincerely,
Elizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA


Vileika Uyezd (District) Revision List Project Update #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

The SIG has received another file with more records >from the 1850 Revision
List for shtetls within Vileika uyezd, which was formerly part of Minsk
gubernia and later part of Vilna gubernia.

Here is the status for each shtetl:

COMPLETED AND AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING:
Miadel <http://www2.jewishgen.org/Belarus/1850_miadel_revision_list.htm>

Kurenets <http://www2.jewishgen.org/Belarus/1850_kurenets_revision_list.htm>

Krasnoie (Krasnoselie)
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/Belarus/1850_krasnoselje_revision_list.htm>

Radoshkovichi
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/belarus/1850_radoshkovich_revision_list.htm>

Vileika <http://www2.jewishgen.org/belarus/1850_vileika_revision_list.htm>
-
Dolginovo
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/belarus/dolginovo_1850_revision_list.htm>

COMPLETED - AWAITING FOR STATIC PAGE TO BE ADDED TO SIG WEBSITE:
Krzhivichi (Krivichi) - * need url
Gorodok - * need url
Butslav (Budslav) - * need url
Lebedzev (Lebedevo) -* need url
Rzhechki (Rechki) - * need url
Kraisk - 150 lines * need url

BEING WORKED ON BY TRANSLATOR NOW:
Dunilovichi
Molodechno
Ilia
Jews-farmers

Once the final four shtetls are completed, work will begin on the 1834
Vileika uyezd Revision Lists. However, we will need additional donations to
the Vileika Revision List Project to complete the 1834 lists. Please
continue to make generous donations for the project at
JewishGenerosity/Belarus
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html>

Hope many of you find your families in these records.

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


Belarus SIG #Belarus Vileika Uyezd (District) Revision List Project Update #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

The SIG has received another file with more records >from the 1850 Revision
List for shtetls within Vileika uyezd, which was formerly part of Minsk
gubernia and later part of Vilna gubernia.

Here is the status for each shtetl:

COMPLETED AND AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING:
Miadel <http://www2.jewishgen.org/Belarus/1850_miadel_revision_list.htm>

Kurenets <http://www2.jewishgen.org/Belarus/1850_kurenets_revision_list.htm>

Krasnoie (Krasnoselie)
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/Belarus/1850_krasnoselje_revision_list.htm>

Radoshkovichi
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/belarus/1850_radoshkovich_revision_list.htm>

Vileika <http://www2.jewishgen.org/belarus/1850_vileika_revision_list.htm>
-
Dolginovo
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/belarus/dolginovo_1850_revision_list.htm>

COMPLETED - AWAITING FOR STATIC PAGE TO BE ADDED TO SIG WEBSITE:
Krzhivichi (Krivichi) - * need url
Gorodok - * need url
Butslav (Budslav) - * need url
Lebedzev (Lebedevo) -* need url
Rzhechki (Rechki) - * need url
Kraisk - 150 lines * need url

BEING WORKED ON BY TRANSLATOR NOW:
Dunilovichi
Molodechno
Ilia
Jews-farmers

Once the final four shtetls are completed, work will begin on the 1834
Vileika uyezd Revision Lists. However, we will need additional donations to
the Vileika Revision List Project to complete the 1834 lists. Please
continue to make generous donations for the project at
JewishGenerosity/Belarus
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html>

Hope many of you find your families in these records.

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@earthlink.net
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


ABARBANEL, Rabbinate at Lissa, Prussia #rabbinic

Jeff Miller
 

According to "A History of the Jews," by Abram Leon Sachar, "With
Samuel ended the outstanding members of the ABARBANEL house. But the
descendants continued a tradition of scholarship and public service
until the last of the family in the male line, the head of the
rabbinate at Lissa, Prussia, passed away in 1863."

Does anyone know anything about this rabbinate >from Lissa, Prussia?
I am also interested in learning more about the female line of the
ABARBANEL family, and about descendants >from this family.

Jeff Miller
near Washington, DC
mailto:singingTM@comcast.net


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic ABARBANEL, Rabbinate at Lissa, Prussia #rabbinic

Jeff Miller
 

According to "A History of the Jews," by Abram Leon Sachar, "With
Samuel ended the outstanding members of the ABARBANEL house. But the
descendants continued a tradition of scholarship and public service
until the last of the family in the male line, the head of the
rabbinate at Lissa, Prussia, passed away in 1863."

Does anyone know anything about this rabbinate >from Lissa, Prussia?
I am also interested in learning more about the female line of the
ABARBANEL family, and about descendants >from this family.

Jeff Miller
near Washington, DC
mailto:singingTM@comcast.net


Records for Zbaraz held in Lviv and Ternopil #galicia

Tony Kahane <kahane@...>
 

I am relatively new to the Galicia SIG discussion group, and I apologize if
this matter has been discussed before. I did see Mark Halpern's comments in
his posting to the SIG of 29 July 2004, on "Records >from the State Archive
of Ternopol Oblast", which is relevant to the second part of this question.

I would be grateful to hear of anyone's experiences and possible success in
obtaining access to records for Zbaraz >from the Central State Archive of the
Ukraine in Lviv. There are apparently birth records kept there for
1816-1876, death records for various periods between 1805 and 1942, and
other material such as school records. My question is specifically on
Zbaraz, though of course experiences in gaining access to records >from other
towns of former eastern Galicia may also be very relevant.

There are also records for Zbaraz held in Ternopil (Tarnopol) -- the ZAGS
archives, covering mainly the 1920s and 1930s. I have heard these are not
easy to get into. If anyone has had any positive experiences with the
Ternopil archives, for records >from Zbaraz or other towns in the area, it
would be interesting to hear of them.



Tony Kahane
London, UK
Reply to: <kahane@poptel.org>

Interested in: KAHANE, BALIN/BALLIN, SCHAPU/SZAPU, ZELAZNIK, ENGEL,
ZARKOWER (all Zbaraz)


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Records for Zbaraz held in Lviv and Ternopil #galicia

Tony Kahane <kahane@...>
 

I am relatively new to the Galicia SIG discussion group, and I apologize if
this matter has been discussed before. I did see Mark Halpern's comments in
his posting to the SIG of 29 July 2004, on "Records >from the State Archive
of Ternopol Oblast", which is relevant to the second part of this question.

I would be grateful to hear of anyone's experiences and possible success in
obtaining access to records for Zbaraz >from the Central State Archive of the
Ukraine in Lviv. There are apparently birth records kept there for
1816-1876, death records for various periods between 1805 and 1942, and
other material such as school records. My question is specifically on
Zbaraz, though of course experiences in gaining access to records >from other
towns of former eastern Galicia may also be very relevant.

There are also records for Zbaraz held in Ternopil (Tarnopol) -- the ZAGS
archives, covering mainly the 1920s and 1930s. I have heard these are not
easy to get into. If anyone has had any positive experiences with the
Ternopil archives, for records >from Zbaraz or other towns in the area, it
would be interesting to hear of them.



Tony Kahane
London, UK
Reply to: <kahane@poptel.org>

Interested in: KAHANE, BALIN/BALLIN, SCHAPU/SZAPU, ZELAZNIK, ENGEL,
ZARKOWER (all Zbaraz)


Sweden #poland

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

What we have typed is a collection of over 300 loose pages of typed
material, >from the collection of the American Jewish Archives in Cincinnati,
Ohio. The archives does not allow public posting of the actual graphic
images, so I cannot share a copy. If anyone would like to see what a sample
page looks like, let me know and I can send out a jpg directly (but I cannot
put it on the web for public viewing).

I have seen a book of Holocaust survivors in Sweden, at Yad VaShem. It may be
the same as what you have.

Israel Pickholtz

Quoting JRI-Poland digest <jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org>:

I offer below an update on a project to type a huge list of Holocaust
survivors >from Poland--persons who were in Sweden after the War
........................................................
Daniel Kazez <dkazez@wittenberg.edu>
Professor of Music / Wittenberg University / Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, BRODA, SZEWCZYK,
LEWKOWICZ, SZPALTYN, OFMAN, ZYLBERBERG, KRZEPICKI, LUKS, MOSZKOWICZ, STROZ,
SZWIMER, GUTMAN, PESACH, FEYNER/FEINER/FAYNER, BORZYKOWSKI, SZEWCZYK,
SZWARCBERG, HILLER, FEDERMAN, WAJSHAUS, WAJSBERG, GELBART, FINGERHUT,
PLOTEK, FAJWLEWICZ, SZKLARCZYK, WAJCENBLUT, KRZESOWICZ/KRESOWICZ
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/


JRI Poland #Poland Sweden #poland

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

What we have typed is a collection of over 300 loose pages of typed
material, >from the collection of the American Jewish Archives in Cincinnati,
Ohio. The archives does not allow public posting of the actual graphic
images, so I cannot share a copy. If anyone would like to see what a sample
page looks like, let me know and I can send out a jpg directly (but I cannot
put it on the web for public viewing).

I have seen a book of Holocaust survivors in Sweden, at Yad VaShem. It may be
the same as what you have.

Israel Pickholtz

Quoting JRI-Poland digest <jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org>:

I offer below an update on a project to type a huge list of Holocaust
survivors >from Poland--persons who were in Sweden after the War
........................................................
Daniel Kazez <dkazez@wittenberg.edu>
Professor of Music / Wittenberg University / Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG, KIFER, BRODA, SZEWCZYK,
LEWKOWICZ, SZPALTYN, OFMAN, ZYLBERBERG, KRZEPICKI, LUKS, MOSZKOWICZ, STROZ,
SZWIMER, GUTMAN, PESACH, FEYNER/FEINER/FAYNER, BORZYKOWSKI, SZEWCZYK,
SZWARCBERG, HILLER, FEDERMAN, WAJSHAUS, WAJSBERG, GELBART, FINGERHUT,
PLOTEK, FAJWLEWICZ, SZKLARCZYK, WAJCENBLUT, KRZESOWICZ/KRESOWICZ
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/ent/


Translation needed #poland

Annette Young
 

I hope someone will be able to translate 2 documents
VM4672 & VM4673 which are a 2 page marriage document of 1813 for
Abraham Meyer Kohen of Plock
written in Polish.
Am able to decipher some of the first page but the second page has me
baffled
Please respond directly to me.
Thanks,
Annette Young
granynet@earthlink.net
http//www.data.jewishgen.org.viewmate/all/index.htp


JRI Poland #Poland Translation needed #poland

Annette Young
 

I hope someone will be able to translate 2 documents
VM4672 & VM4673 which are a 2 page marriage document of 1813 for
Abraham Meyer Kohen of Plock
written in Polish.
Am able to decipher some of the first page but the second page has me
baffled
Please respond directly to me.
Thanks,
Annette Young
granynet@earthlink.net
http//www.data.jewishgen.org.viewmate/all/index.htp