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Re: Jewish Divorce #ukraine

Bronstein Family <sygaa@...>
 

After the Get is physically handed over to the woman and she holds it up
etc. (there are rituals involved in the handing
over of the Get and how it is received) it is returned to the issuing rabbi
or head of the Beit Din. It is then cut in its 4
corners to make it impossible to be used again. The document that the
divorcing couple receive is called a p'tur -
which indicates that a Get was issued and delivered and that the woman is
free to remarry. The Get remains with
the issuing rabbi so the chances finding one is very remote unless one has
an ancestor who was a rabbi who was
qualified to issue Gittin (plural of Get). Not every rabbi was or is
qualified to issue a Get; one who does is called a
'Mesader Gittin.'
With best wishes for the New Year, Shanah Tovah - A Gut Yohr -
Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem
Researching - SHULMAN/SHILLMAN - Panevezys; BLOCH - Krekanava (Lithuania);
the DIMMERMAN, BECK & GELMAN families >from Ostrog & vicinity (Volhyn);
BRONSTEIN, BROWNSTEIN, RUNSTEIN, ROCHMANN - Kishinev (Moldava); GOLDSTEIN -
Iasi (Romania) - those who came to America all settled in Philadelphia;
GOLDZWEIG & LETZTER - Cholojow/Uzlovoye (Eastern Galicia/Ukraine)


The "Get" is a legal document that the husband hands over to his wife when
they divorce. It is done in the presence of a "Beth Din", a jewish court of
at least three Rabbis or Torah-observant men. It contains information of
their names, nicknames, etc, the date and geographic location where it was
given, etc. It is done in a certain very precise format, and written by hand
on a parchment scroll. In addition to the Get the rabbinic court issues a
regular divorce certificate in the local language. I think there are records
of divorcesbesides the secular courts. I'll try to find out tomorrow if and
where and how they are kept.

Lipa Roitman
Dayton, Ohio


On 1/12/04, Lipa wrote: "Because the prohibition of adultery is so severe,
the rabbis require 'Get'."

My question is would a Get be documented? If so, where might the
documentation be found? Or, would there be a registered document in the
US,
specifically Chicago, for someone who was married in Russia/Ukraine and
divorced in US?

My grandmother Bertha SHARE, b. CHERNORUDSKY got divorced >from first
husband, a European trained doctor, Max GECHT >from an arranged marriage.
He
was supposed to have been a horrible, cruel, abusive man, "an abortionist"
( he was said to have pushed my pregnant grandmother down a steep
staircase). But oddly he became a prominent OB-GYN who later remarried &
had another family. Some family members knew that he later helped found
the
Lying-In Hospital in Chicago. My Aunt only got to know him as an adult in
California, where he ended up and died. It's a long complicated story with
alot of gaps.

There are many difficulties finding papers and immigration records of my
grandmother. I want to find some documents about this marriage and divorce
to help find more records about my grandmother & her history, since she
came
over with the surname GECHT.

I always was told the divorce was legal and had to have been around 1912,
when my aunt was around 2 years old. My grandmother was married in Russia,
probably Berdichev, the family was religious at that time, her father was a
prominent Rev in Berditchev/ Ukraine, her marriage to the doctor was a deal
made by her father to get her, her brother and mother out of Europe.

I would appreciate any clarification of what exactly is a Get. Would the
record of it give information to validate or invalidate the family
information? And what criteria or conditions were required for divorces
under Jewish law?

Diane Kriegman Claussen
Atlanta, GA
Researching: KRIEGMAN (Novograd Volynskiy, Rogachev, New Jersey, Chicago);
BRICHKE (Novgorad Volynskiy, Korets, New Jersey, Chicago); SHARE /
CHERNORUDSKY (Berdichev, Chicago); SMASON (Grodno, Philadelphia, Denver,
Chicago); KNOPF (Berlin, Germany Philadelphia, Chicago); REDMAN
(Ladyzhinka,
Chicago); SHPARAGO (Dubova, Ternovka, Nikolaev)
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Unless someone has specific information on how to obtain a
copy of an ancestor's Get in Ukraine, this thread is closed.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Jewish Divorce #ukraine

Bronstein Family <sygaa@...>
 

After the Get is physically handed over to the woman and she holds it up
etc. (there are rituals involved in the handing
over of the Get and how it is received) it is returned to the issuing rabbi
or head of the Beit Din. It is then cut in its 4
corners to make it impossible to be used again. The document that the
divorcing couple receive is called a p'tur -
which indicates that a Get was issued and delivered and that the woman is
free to remarry. The Get remains with
the issuing rabbi so the chances finding one is very remote unless one has
an ancestor who was a rabbi who was
qualified to issue Gittin (plural of Get). Not every rabbi was or is
qualified to issue a Get; one who does is called a
'Mesader Gittin.'
With best wishes for the New Year, Shanah Tovah - A Gut Yohr -
Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem
Researching - SHULMAN/SHILLMAN - Panevezys; BLOCH - Krekanava (Lithuania);
the DIMMERMAN, BECK & GELMAN families >from Ostrog & vicinity (Volhyn);
BRONSTEIN, BROWNSTEIN, RUNSTEIN, ROCHMANN - Kishinev (Moldava); GOLDSTEIN -
Iasi (Romania) - those who came to America all settled in Philadelphia;
GOLDZWEIG & LETZTER - Cholojow/Uzlovoye (Eastern Galicia/Ukraine)


The "Get" is a legal document that the husband hands over to his wife when
they divorce. It is done in the presence of a "Beth Din", a jewish court of
at least three Rabbis or Torah-observant men. It contains information of
their names, nicknames, etc, the date and geographic location where it was
given, etc. It is done in a certain very precise format, and written by hand
on a parchment scroll. In addition to the Get the rabbinic court issues a
regular divorce certificate in the local language. I think there are records
of divorcesbesides the secular courts. I'll try to find out tomorrow if and
where and how they are kept.

Lipa Roitman
Dayton, Ohio


On 1/12/04, Lipa wrote: "Because the prohibition of adultery is so severe,
the rabbis require 'Get'."

My question is would a Get be documented? If so, where might the
documentation be found? Or, would there be a registered document in the
US,
specifically Chicago, for someone who was married in Russia/Ukraine and
divorced in US?

My grandmother Bertha SHARE, b. CHERNORUDSKY got divorced >from first
husband, a European trained doctor, Max GECHT >from an arranged marriage.
He
was supposed to have been a horrible, cruel, abusive man, "an abortionist"
( he was said to have pushed my pregnant grandmother down a steep
staircase). But oddly he became a prominent OB-GYN who later remarried &
had another family. Some family members knew that he later helped found
the
Lying-In Hospital in Chicago. My Aunt only got to know him as an adult in
California, where he ended up and died. It's a long complicated story with
alot of gaps.

There are many difficulties finding papers and immigration records of my
grandmother. I want to find some documents about this marriage and divorce
to help find more records about my grandmother & her history, since she
came
over with the surname GECHT.

I always was told the divorce was legal and had to have been around 1912,
when my aunt was around 2 years old. My grandmother was married in Russia,
probably Berdichev, the family was religious at that time, her father was a
prominent Rev in Berditchev/ Ukraine, her marriage to the doctor was a deal
made by her father to get her, her brother and mother out of Europe.

I would appreciate any clarification of what exactly is a Get. Would the
record of it give information to validate or invalidate the family
information? And what criteria or conditions were required for divorces
under Jewish law?

Diane Kriegman Claussen
Atlanta, GA
Researching: KRIEGMAN (Novograd Volynskiy, Rogachev, New Jersey, Chicago);
BRICHKE (Novgorad Volynskiy, Korets, New Jersey, Chicago); SHARE /
CHERNORUDSKY (Berdichev, Chicago); SMASON (Grodno, Philadelphia, Denver,
Chicago); KNOPF (Berlin, Germany Philadelphia, Chicago); REDMAN
(Ladyzhinka,
Chicago); SHPARAGO (Dubova, Ternovka, Nikolaev)
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Unless someone has specific information on how to obtain a
copy of an ancestor's Get in Ukraine, this thread is closed.


GET documentation #ukraine

Ruth <drwho70@...>
 

<On 9/13/04, Diane Claussen wrote: "My question is would a Get be
documented? If so, where might the documentation be found? Or, <would
there be a registered document in the US, specifically Chicago, for someone
who was married in Russia/Ukraine and divorced in US?

It very well may be documented. My 'GET' was written on letterhead >from the
National Beth Din of The Rabbinical Assembly and The Jewish Theological
Seminary of America, 3080 Broadway, New York 27, NY, in June of 1968.

It was signed in Boston, Mass., by Rabbi XXXXXX
Fellow of the National Beth Din.

I received a copy of the Certificate of Decree of Divorce in English and a
copy in Hebrew.

As a side note, the spelling of my maiden name was incorrect. They also
questioned my knowledge of my Hebrew name. Seems that Rochel Raizel did not
translate, according to them, into Ruth Rachel. I'm mentioning this so if
you should be able to find documentation of the divorce be aware that all
information may not be 100% accurate.

Ruth Grant, Maine
B'RAM/BARAM/BAR AM>> Labun, Ukraine> Haifa; FEIGENBLAT/FAJGENBLAT (any
spelling), LERNER, VINESHTAYN (any spelling variation)>> Labun and/or
Starokonstantinov, Ukraine, possibly Poland; SMULOWITZ/SHMULOVICH>>
Aleksandrovsk, Lithuania;
MINSTER/MINSTERIS>>Plunge, Lithuania > Canada & USA




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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine GET documentation #ukraine

Ruth <drwho70@...>
 

<On 9/13/04, Diane Claussen wrote: "My question is would a Get be
documented? If so, where might the documentation be found? Or, <would
there be a registered document in the US, specifically Chicago, for someone
who was married in Russia/Ukraine and divorced in US?

It very well may be documented. My 'GET' was written on letterhead >from the
National Beth Din of The Rabbinical Assembly and The Jewish Theological
Seminary of America, 3080 Broadway, New York 27, NY, in June of 1968.

It was signed in Boston, Mass., by Rabbi XXXXXX
Fellow of the National Beth Din.

I received a copy of the Certificate of Decree of Divorce in English and a
copy in Hebrew.

As a side note, the spelling of my maiden name was incorrect. They also
questioned my knowledge of my Hebrew name. Seems that Rochel Raizel did not
translate, according to them, into Ruth Rachel. I'm mentioning this so if
you should be able to find documentation of the divorce be aware that all
information may not be 100% accurate.

Ruth Grant, Maine
B'RAM/BARAM/BAR AM>> Labun, Ukraine> Haifa; FEIGENBLAT/FAJGENBLAT (any
spelling), LERNER, VINESHTAYN (any spelling variation)>> Labun and/or
Starokonstantinov, Ukraine, possibly Poland; SMULOWITZ/SHMULOVICH>>
Aleksandrovsk, Lithuania;
MINSTER/MINSTERIS>>Plunge, Lithuania > Canada & USA




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Re: warszawa digest: September 12, 2004 #warsaw #poland

Pierre KOGAN
 

Dear Sara,


No idea of connexion between my ancestors and your family Crystal/Krysztal
...
My father, jeweller, died on 1961, one of his brother, Moise,
hairdresser,was deported >from Paris 1942 with wife and child and, an other,
Boris, Berek, also juweller, died after WWII but his wife and daughters were
also deported >from Paris 1942 (rafle du Vel d'hiv).
Never, they didn't mention other relatives in Paris, Israel, USA - aside
their siblings in Warsaw, probably slaughtered....
I have family pictures, which I can send to you: that's the only kind of
documents in my possession.

Pierre Kogan
1, quai Koenig
67000 Strasbourg
France


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Re: warszawa digest: September 12, 2004 #warsaw #poland

Pierre KOGAN
 

Dear Sara,


No idea of connexion between my ancestors and your family Crystal/Krysztal
...
My father, jeweller, died on 1961, one of his brother, Moise,
hairdresser,was deported >from Paris 1942 with wife and child and, an other,
Boris, Berek, also juweller, died after WWII but his wife and daughters were
also deported >from Paris 1942 (rafle du Vel d'hiv).
Never, they didn't mention other relatives in Paris, Israel, USA - aside
their siblings in Warsaw, probably slaughtered....
I have family pictures, which I can send to you: that's the only kind of
documents in my possession.

Pierre Kogan
1, quai Koenig
67000 Strasbourg
France


Re: Jewish Divorce #ukraine

Lipa R <lipar@...>
 

The "Get" is a legal document that the husband hands over to his wife when
they divorce. It is done in the presence of a "Beth Din", a jewish court of
at least three Rabbis or Torah-observant men. It contains information of
their names, nicknames, etc, the date and geographic location where it was
given, etc. It is done in a certain very precise format, and written by hand
on a parchment scroll. In addition to the Get the rabbinic court issues a
regular divorce certificate in the local language. I think there are records
of divorcesbesides the secular courts. I'll try to find out tomorrow if and
where and how they are kept.

Lipa Roitman
Dayton, Ohio

On 1/12/04, Lipa wrote: "Because the prohibition of adultery is so severe,
the rabbis require 'Get'."

My question is would a Get be documented? If so, where might the
documentation be found? Or, would there be a registered document in the
US,
specifically Chicago, for someone who was married in Russia/Ukraine and
divorced in US?

My grandmother Bertha SHARE, b. CHERNORUDSKY got divorced >from first
husband, a European trained doctor, Max GECHT >from an arranged marriage.
He
was supposed to have been a horrible, cruel, abusive man, "an abortionist"
( he was said to have pushed my pregnant grandmother down a steep
staircase). But oddly he became a prominent OB-GYN who later remarried &
had another family. Some family members knew that he later helped found
the
Lying-In Hospital in Chicago. My Aunt only got to know him as an adult in
California, where he ended up and died. It's a long complicated story with
alot of gaps.

There are many difficulties finding papers and immigration records of my
grandmother. I want to find some documents about this marriage and divorce
to help find more records about my grandmother & her history, since she
came
over with the surname GECHT.

I always was told the divorce was legal and had to have been around 1912,
when my aunt was around 2 years old. My grandmother was married in Russia,
probably Berdichev, the family was religious at that time, her father was a
prominent Rev in Berditchev/ Ukraine, her marriage to the doctor was a deal
made by her father to get her, her brother and mother out of Europe.

I would appreciate any clarification of what exactly is a Get. Would the
record of it give information to validate or invalidate the family
information? And what criteria or conditions were required for divorces
under Jewish law?

Diane Kriegman Claussen
Atlanta, GA
Researching: KRIEGMAN (Novograd Volynskiy, Rogachev, New Jersey, Chicago);
BRICHKE (Novgorad Volynskiy, Korets, New Jersey, Chicago); SHARE /
CHERNORUDSKY (Berdichev, Chicago); SMASON (Grodno, Philadelphia, Denver,
Chicago); KNOPF (Berlin, Germany Philadelphia, Chicago); REDMAN
(Ladyzhinka,
Chicago); SHPARAGO (Dubova, Ternovka, Nikolaev)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Jewish Divorce #ukraine

Lipa R <lipar@...>
 

The "Get" is a legal document that the husband hands over to his wife when
they divorce. It is done in the presence of a "Beth Din", a jewish court of
at least three Rabbis or Torah-observant men. It contains information of
their names, nicknames, etc, the date and geographic location where it was
given, etc. It is done in a certain very precise format, and written by hand
on a parchment scroll. In addition to the Get the rabbinic court issues a
regular divorce certificate in the local language. I think there are records
of divorcesbesides the secular courts. I'll try to find out tomorrow if and
where and how they are kept.

Lipa Roitman
Dayton, Ohio

On 1/12/04, Lipa wrote: "Because the prohibition of adultery is so severe,
the rabbis require 'Get'."

My question is would a Get be documented? If so, where might the
documentation be found? Or, would there be a registered document in the
US,
specifically Chicago, for someone who was married in Russia/Ukraine and
divorced in US?

My grandmother Bertha SHARE, b. CHERNORUDSKY got divorced >from first
husband, a European trained doctor, Max GECHT >from an arranged marriage.
He
was supposed to have been a horrible, cruel, abusive man, "an abortionist"
( he was said to have pushed my pregnant grandmother down a steep
staircase). But oddly he became a prominent OB-GYN who later remarried &
had another family. Some family members knew that he later helped found
the
Lying-In Hospital in Chicago. My Aunt only got to know him as an adult in
California, where he ended up and died. It's a long complicated story with
alot of gaps.

There are many difficulties finding papers and immigration records of my
grandmother. I want to find some documents about this marriage and divorce
to help find more records about my grandmother & her history, since she
came
over with the surname GECHT.

I always was told the divorce was legal and had to have been around 1912,
when my aunt was around 2 years old. My grandmother was married in Russia,
probably Berdichev, the family was religious at that time, her father was a
prominent Rev in Berditchev/ Ukraine, her marriage to the doctor was a deal
made by her father to get her, her brother and mother out of Europe.

I would appreciate any clarification of what exactly is a Get. Would the
record of it give information to validate or invalidate the family
information? And what criteria or conditions were required for divorces
under Jewish law?

Diane Kriegman Claussen
Atlanta, GA
Researching: KRIEGMAN (Novograd Volynskiy, Rogachev, New Jersey, Chicago);
BRICHKE (Novgorad Volynskiy, Korets, New Jersey, Chicago); SHARE /
CHERNORUDSKY (Berdichev, Chicago); SMASON (Grodno, Philadelphia, Denver,
Chicago); KNOPF (Berlin, Germany Philadelphia, Chicago); REDMAN
(Ladyzhinka,
Chicago); SHPARAGO (Dubova, Ternovka, Nikolaev)


BERNSTEIN from Bukovina #general

Israel P
 

I just learned that Rivka PICKHOLZ of Buczacz married Binyamin Zev BERNSTEIN
of Radautz (Bukovina) and that they had five children there in the period 1901-
1908. Descendants of two of those children live in Israel. A third was killed
in the Shoah and two others had no children.

I see no listing for BERNSTEIN >from Radautz in JGFF.

I would be pleased to hear if anyone overlaps with this family.

Israel Pickholtz


Texas Immigration in 1800's #general

John Marshall <jomar5@...>
 

Shalom,
I am learning more about my great grand parents, the Schumacher's, who
lives in Sealy Texas >from before 1900. Henry Schumacher owned a dry
goods store and was treasure at a local bank that distributed 10 dollar
bills with his signature on them. His wife was lived in an orphanage
and learned millinery, hat making. They had two children, Pearl and
Myrtle ( my grand mother, who I look very much like).
I know very little about them, I may not have their names spelled
right. I think that the Schumachers were both born in Poland and
married here.

My question is: how did Jewish immigrants get to Texas? Were there
quotas in New York and Canada that required the boats >from Europe to go
to Texas in the 1800's?


Any insights would be appreciated.
Yours in sincerity,
John Marshall


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BERNSTEIN from Bukovina #general

Israel P
 

I just learned that Rivka PICKHOLZ of Buczacz married Binyamin Zev BERNSTEIN
of Radautz (Bukovina) and that they had five children there in the period 1901-
1908. Descendants of two of those children live in Israel. A third was killed
in the Shoah and two others had no children.

I see no listing for BERNSTEIN >from Radautz in JGFF.

I would be pleased to hear if anyone overlaps with this family.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Texas Immigration in 1800's #general

John Marshall <jomar5@...>
 

Shalom,
I am learning more about my great grand parents, the Schumacher's, who
lives in Sealy Texas >from before 1900. Henry Schumacher owned a dry
goods store and was treasure at a local bank that distributed 10 dollar
bills with his signature on them. His wife was lived in an orphanage
and learned millinery, hat making. They had two children, Pearl and
Myrtle ( my grand mother, who I look very much like).
I know very little about them, I may not have their names spelled
right. I think that the Schumachers were both born in Poland and
married here.

My question is: how did Jewish immigrants get to Texas? Were there
quotas in New York and Canada that required the boats >from Europe to go
to Texas in the 1800's?


Any insights would be appreciated.
Yours in sincerity,
John Marshall


BONOMO obit #general

Flamholtz <flamholtz@...>
 

There was a discussion of candy on another list I belong to recently and the
obit for Victor A. Bonomo, who died in 1999 was included. He was the
inventor of Turkish taffy. According to the obit, his father Albert, was a
Sephardic Jew who emigrated to NY >from Turkey.

In case you think there's a connection, the obit can be found at:

http://www.adena.com/adena/jb/jb01.htm

Hope this helps someone,

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Lawrenceville, GA
flamholtz@charter.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BONOMO obit #general

Flamholtz <flamholtz@...>
 

There was a discussion of candy on another list I belong to recently and the
obit for Victor A. Bonomo, who died in 1999 was included. He was the
inventor of Turkish taffy. According to the obit, his father Albert, was a
Sephardic Jew who emigrated to NY >from Turkey.

In case you think there's a connection, the obit can be found at:

http://www.adena.com/adena/jb/jb01.htm

Hope this helps someone,

Cathy J. Flamholtz
Lawrenceville, GA
flamholtz@charter.net


Gary Mokotoff interview #general

Israel P
 

Gary Mokotoff of Avotaynu was interviewed on Tamar Yonah's program on Arutz-7.
You can hear the interview by following the link >from
http://www.israelnationalradio.com/

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Gary Mokotoff interview #general

Israel P
 

Gary Mokotoff of Avotaynu was interviewed on Tamar Yonah's program on Arutz-7.
You can hear the interview by following the link >from
http://www.israelnationalradio.com/

Israel Pickholtz


summer YIVO News available #general

Andrew Blumberg <ajb61@...>
 

The summer edition of YIVO News is now available at the YIVO web site
http://www.yivoinstitute.org/ or directly at
http://www.yivoinstitute.org/pdf/yedies198.pdf. Note that this is a PDF
file.

The issue contains articles about the establishment of a digital archive of
Jewish life in Poland, the YIVO Landsmanshaftn Archive and a listing of
newly acquired landsmanshaftn and family histories, among many other
articles.

Andrew Blumberg

Searching: BLUMBERG >from Bielsk Podlaski and Bransk, Poland; EDELSTEIN from
near Vilna, Lithuania; EIDUS >from Dvinsk and Riga, Latvia; HIMMELFARB and
GIMELFARB >from Kovel, Ukraine; KIPPELMAN and KIPILMAN >from Kolki, Ukraine.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen summer YIVO News available #general

Andrew Blumberg <ajb61@...>
 

The summer edition of YIVO News is now available at the YIVO web site
http://www.yivoinstitute.org/ or directly at
http://www.yivoinstitute.org/pdf/yedies198.pdf. Note that this is a PDF
file.

The issue contains articles about the establishment of a digital archive of
Jewish life in Poland, the YIVO Landsmanshaftn Archive and a listing of
newly acquired landsmanshaftn and family histories, among many other
articles.

Andrew Blumberg

Searching: BLUMBERG >from Bielsk Podlaski and Bransk, Poland; EDELSTEIN from
near Vilna, Lithuania; EIDUS >from Dvinsk and Riga, Latvia; HIMMELFARB and
GIMELFARB >from Kovel, Ukraine; KIPPELMAN and KIPILMAN >from Kolki, Ukraine.


Coffee/tea importer in Haifa - BAUM #general

Israel P
 

A descendant of the BAUMs >from Kurima (Slovakia) remembers visiting an
undefined relative named David BAUM in Haifa in the late 1960's or early 1970's.
This David BAUM would have been born maybe 1890 or so. I am trying to identify
this man and in particular, learn his father's name. (The Hevra Kadisha in Haifa
has uncharacteristically not been of help. They say the name is too common and I
have neither a father's name nor a death date.)

My contact remembers that David BAUM had a brother in Haifa who was in the
coffee-tea import business, so I tried some of the importing firms as well as the
Haifa Municipal Archives, but could get nowhere that way.

Does anyone have an idea where I might turn next?

Leshanah tovah tikatevu vetehatemu.

Israel Pickholtz


Daylight Savings Time in Israel #general

Israel P
 

Please note that the clocks in Israel will go back to Standard time at one o'clock
on the morning between 21 and 22 September. A Wednesday morning.

Israel Pickholtz