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Re: Jews at The Alamo #general

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

For those interested, DREBIN's greatgrandson (the brother of the one
murdered) buys at the mini market which I manage. >from the little I read on
the net his descendants didn't fall far >from the original tree.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel

----- Original Message -----
From: <HeyJudy123@aol.com>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 3:16 AM
Subject: Jews at The Alamo

Carol Zimmerman inquires whether any Jews fought at The Alamo.

I do know of one Jew, a mercenary soldier, who fought many battles on the
side of the Mexicans in their turf wars, and I believe that he did fight at
The Alamo as well.

His name was SAM DREBBIN (alternately, DREBIN, DRIBBEN, DRIBEN) and his
family came >from "Russia," eventually settling in either Brooklyn or The
Bronx. Sam, however, moved down to Mexico and spent the remainder of his
life as a soldier for hire.

A fictionalized version of Sam Drebbin was a character in the recent
movie, "And Starring Pancho Villa as Himself."

According to the Google search engine, his great-grandson made Aliyah and
was killed in a terrorist attack in 1998.

Judy Segal
New York City, USA


OLSHWANGER #rabbinic

eligold@...
 

I am trying to find out more about Rabbi Yitskhak-Ze'ev (Isaac Wolf)
OLSHWANGER, who was born in Plunge (Plungyan) in the Kovne Guberne,
Lithuania on 30 August 1825 and died in St. Petersburg 5 August
1896. Reb Yitzchak Ze'ev was the son of Reb Shmuel the Av Bet Din of
Plungyan and Esther, a descendant of the family of Mordechai Yafo
(Mordechai JAFFE) author of the "Levushim" . Reb Shmuel was a
descendant of Judah Loew ben Bezalel (the MaHaRaL of Prague) and Reb
Meir of Padua. Reb Yitzchak studied Talmud under Reb Yisroel
Salanter (Israel Lipkin) founder of the Mussar movement, and
received smiche (rabbinical diploma) in 1845 after which he was
elected rabbi at Tauroggen (Tavrig) a position which he held between
1846-1878. He then devoted himself to secular studies. In 1878 he
was elected Av Bet Din of St. Petersburg, which position he held
until his death.

His grandson Reb Immanuel OLSCHWANGER was a shaliach in South Africa
in the 1920s

I am keen to learn more about him and his descendants and would
appreciate if there are any descendants that I could correspond
with.

I would like to suggest the possibility that more connections between
OLSHVANGS/OLSCHWANGERS/ALLSWANGS may exist as described below:

Some points:

1. "W" in German and Yiddish is pronounced as V. Thus the chances
of OLSCHWANG and OLSCHVANG/OLSHVANG being the same is very strong.
In the same way the use of -sch- or -sh- could just be a variation
of spelling.

2. The "All-" in ALLSWANG or ALLSHWANG or similar variations is
a typical phonetic-like spelling in English speaking countries.
The Yiddish spelling is Kometz Alef-lamed-shin-vav-vav-pasekh
alef-nun-gimmel. Thus the beginning could be transliterated to
either "Ol-" or "Al-" or "All-" in English to denote the same sound.

3. Apparently in Lithuania, the patriarch of the family used the
suffix "-er" on the surname, thus OLSHVANGER (OLSHWANGER) from
OLSHVANG (OLSHWANG) and unmarried daughters use the suffix -aite
therefore OLSVANGAITE. Families may thus have adopted the surname
OLSHWANGER (OLSHVANGER), although the root surname was in fact
OLSHVANG.

4. Other notes re Lithuanian surnames:
. "is" is the masculine ending of some Lithuanian surnames as is "cius"
. "iene" is the ending for married women
. "aite" and also "ciute" are endings for unmarried women

Eli Goldstein
Johannesburg, South Africa
Great-Grandson of Aryeh Yitzchak Olshvang of Luknik and Vorne
mailto:eligold@virtual-ventures.co.za


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jews at The Alamo #general

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

For those interested, DREBIN's greatgrandson (the brother of the one
murdered) buys at the mini market which I manage. >from the little I read on
the net his descendants didn't fall far >from the original tree.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel

----- Original Message -----
From: <HeyJudy123@aol.com>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 3:16 AM
Subject: Jews at The Alamo

Carol Zimmerman inquires whether any Jews fought at The Alamo.

I do know of one Jew, a mercenary soldier, who fought many battles on the
side of the Mexicans in their turf wars, and I believe that he did fight at
The Alamo as well.

His name was SAM DREBBIN (alternately, DREBIN, DRIBBEN, DRIBEN) and his
family came >from "Russia," eventually settling in either Brooklyn or The
Bronx. Sam, however, moved down to Mexico and spent the remainder of his
life as a soldier for hire.

A fictionalized version of Sam Drebbin was a character in the recent
movie, "And Starring Pancho Villa as Himself."

According to the Google search engine, his great-grandson made Aliyah and
was killed in a terrorist attack in 1998.

Judy Segal
New York City, USA


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic OLSHWANGER #rabbinic

eligold@...
 

I am trying to find out more about Rabbi Yitskhak-Ze'ev (Isaac Wolf)
OLSHWANGER, who was born in Plunge (Plungyan) in the Kovne Guberne,
Lithuania on 30 August 1825 and died in St. Petersburg 5 August
1896. Reb Yitzchak Ze'ev was the son of Reb Shmuel the Av Bet Din of
Plungyan and Esther, a descendant of the family of Mordechai Yafo
(Mordechai JAFFE) author of the "Levushim" . Reb Shmuel was a
descendant of Judah Loew ben Bezalel (the MaHaRaL of Prague) and Reb
Meir of Padua. Reb Yitzchak studied Talmud under Reb Yisroel
Salanter (Israel Lipkin) founder of the Mussar movement, and
received smiche (rabbinical diploma) in 1845 after which he was
elected rabbi at Tauroggen (Tavrig) a position which he held between
1846-1878. He then devoted himself to secular studies. In 1878 he
was elected Av Bet Din of St. Petersburg, which position he held
until his death.

His grandson Reb Immanuel OLSCHWANGER was a shaliach in South Africa
in the 1920s

I am keen to learn more about him and his descendants and would
appreciate if there are any descendants that I could correspond
with.

I would like to suggest the possibility that more connections between
OLSHVANGS/OLSCHWANGERS/ALLSWANGS may exist as described below:

Some points:

1. "W" in German and Yiddish is pronounced as V. Thus the chances
of OLSCHWANG and OLSCHVANG/OLSHVANG being the same is very strong.
In the same way the use of -sch- or -sh- could just be a variation
of spelling.

2. The "All-" in ALLSWANG or ALLSHWANG or similar variations is
a typical phonetic-like spelling in English speaking countries.
The Yiddish spelling is Kometz Alef-lamed-shin-vav-vav-pasekh
alef-nun-gimmel. Thus the beginning could be transliterated to
either "Ol-" or "Al-" or "All-" in English to denote the same sound.

3. Apparently in Lithuania, the patriarch of the family used the
suffix "-er" on the surname, thus OLSHVANGER (OLSHWANGER) from
OLSHVANG (OLSHWANG) and unmarried daughters use the suffix -aite
therefore OLSVANGAITE. Families may thus have adopted the surname
OLSHWANGER (OLSHVANGER), although the root surname was in fact
OLSHVANG.

4. Other notes re Lithuanian surnames:
. "is" is the masculine ending of some Lithuanian surnames as is "cius"
. "iene" is the ending for married women
. "aite" and also "ciute" are endings for unmarried women

Eli Goldstein
Johannesburg, South Africa
Great-Grandson of Aryeh Yitzchak Olshvang of Luknik and Vorne
mailto:eligold@virtual-ventures.co.za


On-line database of Polish Citizens detained by Soviets #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

One of our fellow-genners here sent me the info on my in-laws frm this site
about half a year ago. It matched what we knew and even added the date they
were sent to "camp" because they refused Russian citizenship, and the date
they were released >from the "camp" 15 months later, after which they joined
Anders' Army. It also included their father's names and they were listed
one after the other.
After phone calls to Poland and many emails, we finally received a copy of
the volume that we had ordered dealing with Bialystok - where my in-laws
were captured by the Russians. There seem to be a number of volumes, each
dealing with a city in Poland.

Rose Feldman
GITNER, REZNIK Litin & Kalinovka Ukraine
EPSTEIN, BOYARKSY Ruzhany, Kossovo, Mscibow Belarus
TREPPER, TREPMAN, FELDMAN, LICHT, SOICHER, SLOVIK, SZPERBER, ORENSTEIN
Warsaw Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen On-line database of Polish Citizens detained by Soviets #general

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

One of our fellow-genners here sent me the info on my in-laws frm this site
about half a year ago. It matched what we knew and even added the date they
were sent to "camp" because they refused Russian citizenship, and the date
they were released >from the "camp" 15 months later, after which they joined
Anders' Army. It also included their father's names and they were listed
one after the other.
After phone calls to Poland and many emails, we finally received a copy of
the volume that we had ordered dealing with Bialystok - where my in-laws
were captured by the Russians. There seem to be a number of volumes, each
dealing with a city in Poland.

Rose Feldman
GITNER, REZNIK Litin & Kalinovka Ukraine
EPSTEIN, BOYARKSY Ruzhany, Kossovo, Mscibow Belarus
TREPPER, TREPMAN, FELDMAN, LICHT, SOICHER, SLOVIK, SZPERBER, ORENSTEIN
Warsaw Poland


Viewmate -Polish translation of birth doc #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

A loose translation of this birth document would be
appreciated (for a member of my JGS).
While headers are in German, it appears that the script may be in Polish.

Languages - German/Polish ???
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4599

Please respond to the undersigned.

--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate -Polish translation of birth doc #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

A loose translation of this birth document would be
appreciated (for a member of my JGS).
While headers are in German, it appears that the script may be in Polish.

Languages - German/Polish ???
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=4599

Please respond to the undersigned.

--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net


Looking for Morry GLASS of Hartford, CT #general

Barry Finkel <b19141@...>
 

I am looking for relatives, descendants, or anyone who knows about a
Morry GLASS >from Hartford, Connecticut who visited Chicago around 1935.
He may be a relative in the POHN family I am researching.

I found one Maurice GLASS (son of Katherine and the late Samuel)
age 20 in the 1930 Census with brothers and sisters, but I am not 100%
sure that this person is the Morry whom I am trying to locate.

The SSDI has a Maurice Glass b13-Mar-1910 dApr-1979 in Hartford, whom
I assume is the person I located in the 1930 census.

--Barry Finkel
Chicago, IL USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Morry GLASS of Hartford, CT #general

Barry Finkel <b19141@...>
 

I am looking for relatives, descendants, or anyone who knows about a
Morry GLASS >from Hartford, Connecticut who visited Chicago around 1935.
He may be a relative in the POHN family I am researching.

I found one Maurice GLASS (son of Katherine and the late Samuel)
age 20 in the 1930 Census with brothers and sisters, but I am not 100%
sure that this person is the Morry whom I am trying to locate.

The SSDI has a Maurice Glass b13-Mar-1910 dApr-1979 in Hartford, whom
I assume is the person I located in the 1930 census.

--Barry Finkel
Chicago, IL USA


Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory update #general

Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr. <vctinney@...>
 

Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory update:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory update #general

Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr. <vctinney@...>
 

Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory update:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr.


Eileen PELLETZ and family Kaunas, Riga, Kamajai, Rokiskis Part2 #general

Stephen Gaffin
 

Part2 Until 1944, Jews were periodically rounded up, taken >from
the Kleine Ghetto in Kaunas, and not seen again. However, Eileen
PELLETZ remained in the Kleine ghetto with her daughter and brother.
One day she saw a neighbor’s two children being carried off by a
German soldier, one under each arm. She would work nights and her
brother, days, so one would be available to take care of Debra Malka,
until the little girl was taken away never to be seen again, at age 4.
The Germans took her daughter and pushed her into a van with other
children and old people. They were taken to Auschwitz.

Eileen did heavy labor building airports, carrying cement and rocks. The
daily food allotment was a small amount of potatoes and cabbage soup, and
occasionally some horsemeat. Every morning she had to walk five in-a-line
several miles, sometimes in the snow wearing only her street clothes to
carry cement and bricks to build an airport or shovel snow >from the railway.

In 1944 she was taken >from the ghetto, put on a train, and taken to
Stutthof, a small concentration camp. While she was awaiting the train,
German doctors checked her with all the other women. All the women were
forced to strip and were checked for hidden jewelry and then moved onto
cattle cars. In Stutthof the crematoria were always smoking. There she
chopped wood and cleared snow. Many women developed frostbite and were
selected. They lived 10 women to a tent, and received one pot of soup for
the tent daily, which they divided. There were only five bowls so they
shared. Twice a day they were counted. If they walked in line too slowly
or too fast, they were beaten.

On 23 March 1945, she was liberated as the Germans retreated. She found out
later that her last surviving brother died of hunger during a forced march
just one day before liberation. The liberating Russians brought them to
small farms to recover, but they were guarded to prevent escape. Ostensibly
free, she still needed permission >from the Russians to leave the farm on
Sundays. During one of these trips, she met Irving LISBON, also newly
liberated and who also lost his wife and four children, and after a few
months, they got married. Together, immediately after the War they
established a successful business of shoes and leather. A year later, in
1946, a year after the War was over, there occurred the last pogrom in
Keilce where Poles once again murdered Jews: those returning home after the
war and reclaiming their property.

They then decided to leave Poland for Israel. In the meantime, Eileen wrote
a letter published in The Forward newspaper in New York looking for any
PELLETZ relatives. The letter was seen by a Worcester GRACE (intermarried
with the Pelletzes over several generations), who showed it to her uncle,
Eileen’s father’s brother, Al Pelletz (my great uncle) in Worcester, who
then arranged for their coming to the United States.

Eileen and her husband Irving never told their stories to their children.
Until very late in life. One terrible day she had her son videotape her
testimony so that the story would not be forgotten. I wrote this story from
the tape. Irving has his own story that is even more remarkable, and
heroism greater than any military hero you ever heard about—and my former
occupation was as a military physiologist and should know these things---
but that's for another day.

Eileen and Irving had four excellent children: two Lubavitch rabbis, a
rebbitizin and a teacher. Each had large families and today there are more
than 41 Pelletz descendents in the US and Canada, many of them involved in
Jewish education. They still say to this day in the family that whenever a
child is born, "It’s a slap in Hitler’s face".

But still, is there now no one left alive who can remember a Rabbi Pelletz
from Kaunas, of a line of rabbis and head of a yeshiva? Are there no other
Pelletzes besides Eileen Pelletz Lisbon who survived the Holocaust?

Steve GRACE PELLETZ GAFFIN
St Maarten Netherlands Antilles,
formerly Worcester, Rehovot, Haifa, Durban


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Eileen PELLETZ and family Kaunas, Riga, Kamajai, Rokiskis Part2 #general

Stephen Gaffin
 

Part2 Until 1944, Jews were periodically rounded up, taken >from
the Kleine Ghetto in Kaunas, and not seen again. However, Eileen
PELLETZ remained in the Kleine ghetto with her daughter and brother.
One day she saw a neighbor’s two children being carried off by a
German soldier, one under each arm. She would work nights and her
brother, days, so one would be available to take care of Debra Malka,
until the little girl was taken away never to be seen again, at age 4.
The Germans took her daughter and pushed her into a van with other
children and old people. They were taken to Auschwitz.

Eileen did heavy labor building airports, carrying cement and rocks. The
daily food allotment was a small amount of potatoes and cabbage soup, and
occasionally some horsemeat. Every morning she had to walk five in-a-line
several miles, sometimes in the snow wearing only her street clothes to
carry cement and bricks to build an airport or shovel snow >from the railway.

In 1944 she was taken >from the ghetto, put on a train, and taken to
Stutthof, a small concentration camp. While she was awaiting the train,
German doctors checked her with all the other women. All the women were
forced to strip and were checked for hidden jewelry and then moved onto
cattle cars. In Stutthof the crematoria were always smoking. There she
chopped wood and cleared snow. Many women developed frostbite and were
selected. They lived 10 women to a tent, and received one pot of soup for
the tent daily, which they divided. There were only five bowls so they
shared. Twice a day they were counted. If they walked in line too slowly
or too fast, they were beaten.

On 23 March 1945, she was liberated as the Germans retreated. She found out
later that her last surviving brother died of hunger during a forced march
just one day before liberation. The liberating Russians brought them to
small farms to recover, but they were guarded to prevent escape. Ostensibly
free, she still needed permission >from the Russians to leave the farm on
Sundays. During one of these trips, she met Irving LISBON, also newly
liberated and who also lost his wife and four children, and after a few
months, they got married. Together, immediately after the War they
established a successful business of shoes and leather. A year later, in
1946, a year after the War was over, there occurred the last pogrom in
Keilce where Poles once again murdered Jews: those returning home after the
war and reclaiming their property.

They then decided to leave Poland for Israel. In the meantime, Eileen wrote
a letter published in The Forward newspaper in New York looking for any
PELLETZ relatives. The letter was seen by a Worcester GRACE (intermarried
with the Pelletzes over several generations), who showed it to her uncle,
Eileen’s father’s brother, Al Pelletz (my great uncle) in Worcester, who
then arranged for their coming to the United States.

Eileen and her husband Irving never told their stories to their children.
Until very late in life. One terrible day she had her son videotape her
testimony so that the story would not be forgotten. I wrote this story from
the tape. Irving has his own story that is even more remarkable, and
heroism greater than any military hero you ever heard about—and my former
occupation was as a military physiologist and should know these things---
but that's for another day.

Eileen and Irving had four excellent children: two Lubavitch rabbis, a
rebbitizin and a teacher. Each had large families and today there are more
than 41 Pelletz descendents in the US and Canada, many of them involved in
Jewish education. They still say to this day in the family that whenever a
child is born, "It’s a slap in Hitler’s face".

But still, is there now no one left alive who can remember a Rabbi Pelletz
from Kaunas, of a line of rabbis and head of a yeshiva? Are there no other
Pelletzes besides Eileen Pelletz Lisbon who survived the Holocaust?

Steve GRACE PELLETZ GAFFIN
St Maarten Netherlands Antilles,
formerly Worcester, Rehovot, Haifa, Durban


ROSNER From Krakow -A Surprise #general

Jay rose <abuwasta7@...>
 

Dear Genners,
After a long chase of 20 months after my maternal ancestors,the KOENIGSBUCH
family >from Brzesko,
I decided to turn my efforts to my paternal family Rosner who lived in
Krakow. Our late father Leon/Leib Rosner (1903-1999) had 5 brothers and
siters about whom he barely ever said a word. We "knew" that they
perished,as did his first wife and 2 daughters.My father was in contact with
3 of his cousins >from his mother's side(BORGENICHT and LESER) who survived
and came to Israel but not a word about his own sibblings.
Last Thursday I checked both JRI-PL and www.shoreshim.org (this is a
wonderful website dedicated to Krakow and it's environs and is updated
constantly). I bumped into 2 persons whose parents names where like my
father's parents(wedding banns of Abraham Meyer Rosner >from 1919 and Chana
Rosner >from 1922).Channa got married to Jacob ORSCHUTZER whose mother's
surname is SCHAMROTH. The webmaster of www.shoreshim.org is Dr. Julian
Schamroth >from Jerusalem. I contacted him and he provided me with a partial
family tree which indicated that the son of Chana(my aunt)and Jacob who was
born in 1925 survived the Holocaust.Further enquiries revealed that he lives
in Rehovot,Israel!!!!!
Well I discovered a first cousin anbout whom we had no idea.
My conclusion:Never give up,do not take anything for granted,stop watching
TV and get on the Internet. Now!!!
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem
P.S. Respond to: abuwasta@yahoo.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ROSNER From Krakow -A Surprise #general

Jay rose <abuwasta7@...>
 

Dear Genners,
After a long chase of 20 months after my maternal ancestors,the KOENIGSBUCH
family >from Brzesko,
I decided to turn my efforts to my paternal family Rosner who lived in
Krakow. Our late father Leon/Leib Rosner (1903-1999) had 5 brothers and
siters about whom he barely ever said a word. We "knew" that they
perished,as did his first wife and 2 daughters.My father was in contact with
3 of his cousins >from his mother's side(BORGENICHT and LESER) who survived
and came to Israel but not a word about his own sibblings.
Last Thursday I checked both JRI-PL and www.shoreshim.org (this is a
wonderful website dedicated to Krakow and it's environs and is updated
constantly). I bumped into 2 persons whose parents names where like my
father's parents(wedding banns of Abraham Meyer Rosner >from 1919 and Chana
Rosner >from 1922).Channa got married to Jacob ORSCHUTZER whose mother's
surname is SCHAMROTH. The webmaster of www.shoreshim.org is Dr. Julian
Schamroth >from Jerusalem. I contacted him and he provided me with a partial
family tree which indicated that the son of Chana(my aunt)and Jacob who was
born in 1925 survived the Holocaust.Further enquiries revealed that he lives
in Rehovot,Israel!!!!!
Well I discovered a first cousin anbout whom we had no idea.
My conclusion:Never give up,do not take anything for granted,stop watching
TV and get on the Internet. Now!!!
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem
P.S. Respond to: abuwasta@yahoo.com


Correct URL for Vol.1 of the Pinkas Romania.. #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

There was a typo in the link to the URL given earlier for Volume 1 of
Pinkas Romania.

The correct one is:
http://www2.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/pinkas_romania/pinkas_romania1.html

The "l" was accidentally cut off of "html"

Thanks to Moshe Shavit for bringing this to our attention!

Rosanne Leeson


Romania SIG #Romania Correct URL for Vol.1 of the Pinkas Romania.. #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

There was a typo in the link to the URL given earlier for Volume 1 of
Pinkas Romania.

The correct one is:
http://www2.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/pinkas_romania/pinkas_romania1.html

The "l" was accidentally cut off of "html"

Thanks to Moshe Shavit for bringing this to our attention!

Rosanne Leeson


West Ham Cemetery visit #unitedkingdom

Lois Kaufman <lois@...>
 

Dear Listers,

I have just spoken to Ray's contact at at the United Synagogue regarding
opening times of West Ham Cemetery. She tells me that the cemetery will be
open every Sunday in September between 10 - 3.

If anyone is interesting in going, please contact me off list and perhaps we
can arrange a group visit.

Regards,

Lois Kaufman


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom West Ham Cemetery visit #unitedkingdom

Lois Kaufman <lois@...>
 

Dear Listers,

I have just spoken to Ray's contact at at the United Synagogue regarding
opening times of West Ham Cemetery. She tells me that the cemetery will be
open every Sunday in September between 10 - 3.

If anyone is interesting in going, please contact me off list and perhaps we
can arrange a group visit.

Regards,

Lois Kaufman