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Re: Given name of SCHEI #hungary

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Schei or Shay would usually be a nickname for Yeshayahu. If Simon was the
civil name it is quite plausible.
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Hanscom [mailto:rodihan@juno.com]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:07 PM
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Given name of SCHEI


Can anyone help me with context on the given name of "Schei"? I am
trying to determine if a resident of the city of Trencin in 1782 was
identical with one of my ancestors. Here is the entry >from the Jewish
census, taken on 16 January 1782:

Name: Schei Feitl, "ivcestor pauper"
Wife: Eszter
Daughter: Gidtll

I am trying to make the case that Schei Feitl was Simon KOHN-ZERKOWITZ, a
native of Weisskirchen, Moravia. Simon moved to Trencin sometime between
1772 and 1782, and was robbed and murdered -- prior to 1795 -- on a
journey to Leipzig. His father's name was Feitel KOHN-ZERKOWITZ
(1726-1809), so that part fits. What I'm trying to learn is whether
"Schei" might have been an equivalent to the given name of "Simon". Any
help with this would be appreciated.

Robert Hanscom
Andover, Massachusetts

Researching (all in Trencin Co.): Tauber, Zerkowitz, Knopfelmacher,
Kohn, Frankl-Kohn, Teschner, Lazar, Wilhelm, Popper, Zwillinger


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Given name of SCHEI #hungary

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Schei or Shay would usually be a nickname for Yeshayahu. If Simon was the
civil name it is quite plausible.
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Hanscom [mailto:rodihan@juno.com]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:07 PM
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Given name of SCHEI


Can anyone help me with context on the given name of "Schei"? I am
trying to determine if a resident of the city of Trencin in 1782 was
identical with one of my ancestors. Here is the entry >from the Jewish
census, taken on 16 January 1782:

Name: Schei Feitl, "ivcestor pauper"
Wife: Eszter
Daughter: Gidtll

I am trying to make the case that Schei Feitl was Simon KOHN-ZERKOWITZ, a
native of Weisskirchen, Moravia. Simon moved to Trencin sometime between
1772 and 1782, and was robbed and murdered -- prior to 1795 -- on a
journey to Leipzig. His father's name was Feitel KOHN-ZERKOWITZ
(1726-1809), so that part fits. What I'm trying to learn is whether
"Schei" might have been an equivalent to the given name of "Simon". Any
help with this would be appreciated.

Robert Hanscom
Andover, Massachusetts

Researching (all in Trencin Co.): Tauber, Zerkowitz, Knopfelmacher,
Kohn, Frankl-Kohn, Teschner, Lazar, Wilhelm, Popper, Zwillinger


Re: Given name of SCHEI #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

in my opinion, the short answer is probably yes. the key lies in the languages and their spelling. "sch" is very typically german for what is normally spelled in english "sh", but in hungarian the english "sh" is spelled just "s" (the english "s" would be "sz"). so the biblical hebrew name "shimon" is spelled "simon" in hungarian, and probably something like "schiemon" in german (although i do not speak german).
the fact that both individuals' fathers were feitel is also a good sign. i wonder if the name was intended to be "schie" (like the english word "she") or "schei" (like the english word "shy")? but that could lead to another wild goose chase...

....... tom klein, toronto

ps. does anyone know what "ivcestor pauper" refers to? i would guess that it describes his occupation, but " ivcestor" doesn't quite match any high-school latin that i can remember.

Robert Hanscom <rodihan@juno.com>wrote:


Can anyone help me with context on the given name of "Schei"? I am
trying to determine if a resident of the city of Trencin in 1782 was
identical with one of my ancestors. Here is the entry >from the Jewish
census, taken on 16 January 1782:

Name: Schei Feitl, "ivcestor pauper" Wife: Eszter Daughter: Gidtll

I am trying to make the case that Schei Feitl was Simon
KOHN-ZERKOWITZ, a native of Weisskirchen, Moravia. Simon moved to
Trencin sometime between 1772 and 1782, and was robbed and murdered
-- prior to 1795 -- on a journey to Leipzig. His father's name was
Feitel KOHN-ZERKOWITZ (1726-1809), so that part fits. What I'm trying
to learn is whether "Schei" might have been an equivalent to the
given name of "Simon". Any help with this would be appreciated.

Robert Hanscom Andover, Massachusetts

Researching (all in Trencin Co.): Tauber, Zerkowitz, Knopfelmacher,
Kohn, Frankl-Kohn, Teschner, Lazar, Wilhelm, Popper, Zwillinger


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Given name of SCHEI #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

in my opinion, the short answer is probably yes. the key lies in the languages and their spelling. "sch" is very typically german for what is normally spelled in english "sh", but in hungarian the english "sh" is spelled just "s" (the english "s" would be "sz"). so the biblical hebrew name "shimon" is spelled "simon" in hungarian, and probably something like "schiemon" in german (although i do not speak german).
the fact that both individuals' fathers were feitel is also a good sign. i wonder if the name was intended to be "schie" (like the english word "she") or "schei" (like the english word "shy")? but that could lead to another wild goose chase...

....... tom klein, toronto

ps. does anyone know what "ivcestor pauper" refers to? i would guess that it describes his occupation, but " ivcestor" doesn't quite match any high-school latin that i can remember.

Robert Hanscom <rodihan@juno.com>wrote:


Can anyone help me with context on the given name of "Schei"? I am
trying to determine if a resident of the city of Trencin in 1782 was
identical with one of my ancestors. Here is the entry >from the Jewish
census, taken on 16 January 1782:

Name: Schei Feitl, "ivcestor pauper" Wife: Eszter Daughter: Gidtll

I am trying to make the case that Schei Feitl was Simon
KOHN-ZERKOWITZ, a native of Weisskirchen, Moravia. Simon moved to
Trencin sometime between 1772 and 1782, and was robbed and murdered
-- prior to 1795 -- on a journey to Leipzig. His father's name was
Feitel KOHN-ZERKOWITZ (1726-1809), so that part fits. What I'm trying
to learn is whether "Schei" might have been an equivalent to the
given name of "Simon". Any help with this would be appreciated.

Robert Hanscom Andover, Massachusetts

Researching (all in Trencin Co.): Tauber, Zerkowitz, Knopfelmacher,
Kohn, Frankl-Kohn, Teschner, Lazar, Wilhelm, Popper, Zwillinger


The Hungarian Society of New York (The Mutual Benevolent Society of 1865, Inc.) #hungary

Bob and Diane Hanscom <rodihan@...>
 

A few weeks ago, there was some discussion about a Hungarian-Jewish
society formed in New York City during the 1800s. A cousin of mine
recently sent me a writeup that was put together in 1945 on the 80th
anniversary of "Erster Ungarischer Kranken und Unterstzungs Verein".
This society, which in 1935 became "The Hungarian Society of New York",
and then later, around 1942, became "The Mutual Benevolent Society of
1865, Incorporated", was initially organized in mid-November 1865. Its
first president was Sigmund Hirschler (1829-1890), who was the husband of
my great-great-grandfather's youngest sister, Regina (Teschner) Hirschler
(1836-1909).

Here are some excerpts >from the summary, which was written by one M. N.
Salmore:

"Hungarian immigration, which had been negligle through the first half of
the nineteenth century, gained impetus with Kossuth's visit to America in
1851. Motives were varied, but most were attracted by what they had
learned of America's freedom and idealism, by the hope of establishing
better homes, by greater opportunity to earn their way and to build for
their future and that of their children.

"It was characteristic of immigrants to make their homes as near as
possible to those of their countrymen, with their better understanding
and common language.... And so, at the close of the Civil War, there was
a distinct colony of Hungarians on the lower East Side of New York, in
the neighborhood adjacent to Houston Street."

"... To put into practical operation the principles of altruism and
fraternity which were conceived in their hearts, it was determined by
some of them at a casual meeting in the autumn of 1865, that co-operation
and organization were necessary. William Lakestream was one of these,
and he assumed the burden of causing that determination to become
effective. As a result there met, on the 19th day of November, 1865, in
his basement shoe store at 30 West Houston Street, forty-four men, who
thus became the founders of the (then) Erster Ungarischer Kranken und
Unterstuetzungs Verein. At this meeting, their purpose was declared to
be the formation of a Society whose object should be to aid members when
sick or in distress, and to extend all possible assistance to dependents
in the event of the death of a member... At the meeting held on December
10, 1865, Sigmund Hirschler and William Lakestream were respectively
chosen temporary president and vice-president. On the following day the
first bank account of the Society was opened with a deposit of $83..."

There is much, more more in this writeup, and I would be glad to send a
photocopy to anyone who wishes to see it. It was obtained by my cousin,
Alix Brown, >from a Mr. Lichtenfeld who is closely associated with the
management of the Hungarian Union Field and Machpelah cemeteries in
Queens. These two burying grounds, by the way, contain the graves of a
huge majority of these early Hungarian-Jewish immigrants. My cousin has
already visited the cemeteries twice this year, and I am hoping to get
there myself within the next few weeks.

Here is a list of presidents of the society:

Sigmund Hirschler, 1865-67 [brother-in-law of my gr-gr-grandfather]
Wolfgang Teschner, 1868-69, 1887 [brother of my gr-gr-grandfather]
Philip Goldstein, 1870-71, 1874-76, 1886
Berthold Frankel, 1872, 1888-90
Abraham Berkowitz, 1873
Waldemar J. Tuska, 1877, 1878
Moritz Kleinberger, 1882 [husband of Cecilia (Teschner) Kleinberger]
Kalman Fried, 1883
Edward Wertheimer, 1884-85, 1891
Sigmund Fischer, 1885
Henry Lichtig, 1892
Edmund Kohn, 1893-95
Jacob Lefkowitz, 1896
Leopold Moskowitz, 1897-98
Adolf Leidesdorf, 1899
Morris Cukor, 1900
Daniel Krause, 1901
Joseph Sturtz, 1902
Louis D. Cahn, 1903-05
Samuel Schlesinger, 1906
Ignatz H. Rosenfeld, 1907
Jacob L. Weiner, 1908
Benjamin Rosenbaum, 1909-10
Joseph L. Birnbaum, 1911
Alexander Rosenbaum, 1912-13
H. Louis Jacobson, 1914
Jacob B. Engel, 1915
Max Schlesinger, 1916
David Friedman, 1917
Morris Popper, 1918
Leopold Orwan, 1919
Louis S. Bruenn, 1920
Max Friedman, 1921
Jacob Schoen, 1922
Francis Fischer, 1923
Manuel Neufeld, 1924
Louis Feigenbaum, 1925, 1933-35
Maurice Epstein, 1926-28
Herman Hoffman, 1929-32, 1937
Max Moser, 1936
Arthur M. Laufer, 1938-39
Murray D. Gross, 1840-41
Harry B. Richard, 1942-43
Murray R. Paris, 1944-45

As far as I'm aware, this society continues to be active.

Robert Hanscom
Andover, Massachusetts

Researching (all >from Trencin Co.): Tauber, Zerkowitz, Knopfelmacher,
Kohn, Frankl-Kohn, Teschner, Lazar, Wilhelm, Popper, Zwillinger


Hungary SIG #Hungary The Hungarian Society of New York (The Mutual Benevolent Society of 1865, Inc.) #hungary

Bob and Diane Hanscom <rodihan@...>
 

A few weeks ago, there was some discussion about a Hungarian-Jewish
society formed in New York City during the 1800s. A cousin of mine
recently sent me a writeup that was put together in 1945 on the 80th
anniversary of "Erster Ungarischer Kranken und Unterstzungs Verein".
This society, which in 1935 became "The Hungarian Society of New York",
and then later, around 1942, became "The Mutual Benevolent Society of
1865, Incorporated", was initially organized in mid-November 1865. Its
first president was Sigmund Hirschler (1829-1890), who was the husband of
my great-great-grandfather's youngest sister, Regina (Teschner) Hirschler
(1836-1909).

Here are some excerpts >from the summary, which was written by one M. N.
Salmore:

"Hungarian immigration, which had been negligle through the first half of
the nineteenth century, gained impetus with Kossuth's visit to America in
1851. Motives were varied, but most were attracted by what they had
learned of America's freedom and idealism, by the hope of establishing
better homes, by greater opportunity to earn their way and to build for
their future and that of their children.

"It was characteristic of immigrants to make their homes as near as
possible to those of their countrymen, with their better understanding
and common language.... And so, at the close of the Civil War, there was
a distinct colony of Hungarians on the lower East Side of New York, in
the neighborhood adjacent to Houston Street."

"... To put into practical operation the principles of altruism and
fraternity which were conceived in their hearts, it was determined by
some of them at a casual meeting in the autumn of 1865, that co-operation
and organization were necessary. William Lakestream was one of these,
and he assumed the burden of causing that determination to become
effective. As a result there met, on the 19th day of November, 1865, in
his basement shoe store at 30 West Houston Street, forty-four men, who
thus became the founders of the (then) Erster Ungarischer Kranken und
Unterstuetzungs Verein. At this meeting, their purpose was declared to
be the formation of a Society whose object should be to aid members when
sick or in distress, and to extend all possible assistance to dependents
in the event of the death of a member... At the meeting held on December
10, 1865, Sigmund Hirschler and William Lakestream were respectively
chosen temporary president and vice-president. On the following day the
first bank account of the Society was opened with a deposit of $83..."

There is much, more more in this writeup, and I would be glad to send a
photocopy to anyone who wishes to see it. It was obtained by my cousin,
Alix Brown, >from a Mr. Lichtenfeld who is closely associated with the
management of the Hungarian Union Field and Machpelah cemeteries in
Queens. These two burying grounds, by the way, contain the graves of a
huge majority of these early Hungarian-Jewish immigrants. My cousin has
already visited the cemeteries twice this year, and I am hoping to get
there myself within the next few weeks.

Here is a list of presidents of the society:

Sigmund Hirschler, 1865-67 [brother-in-law of my gr-gr-grandfather]
Wolfgang Teschner, 1868-69, 1887 [brother of my gr-gr-grandfather]
Philip Goldstein, 1870-71, 1874-76, 1886
Berthold Frankel, 1872, 1888-90
Abraham Berkowitz, 1873
Waldemar J. Tuska, 1877, 1878
Moritz Kleinberger, 1882 [husband of Cecilia (Teschner) Kleinberger]
Kalman Fried, 1883
Edward Wertheimer, 1884-85, 1891
Sigmund Fischer, 1885
Henry Lichtig, 1892
Edmund Kohn, 1893-95
Jacob Lefkowitz, 1896
Leopold Moskowitz, 1897-98
Adolf Leidesdorf, 1899
Morris Cukor, 1900
Daniel Krause, 1901
Joseph Sturtz, 1902
Louis D. Cahn, 1903-05
Samuel Schlesinger, 1906
Ignatz H. Rosenfeld, 1907
Jacob L. Weiner, 1908
Benjamin Rosenbaum, 1909-10
Joseph L. Birnbaum, 1911
Alexander Rosenbaum, 1912-13
H. Louis Jacobson, 1914
Jacob B. Engel, 1915
Max Schlesinger, 1916
David Friedman, 1917
Morris Popper, 1918
Leopold Orwan, 1919
Louis S. Bruenn, 1920
Max Friedman, 1921
Jacob Schoen, 1922
Francis Fischer, 1923
Manuel Neufeld, 1924
Louis Feigenbaum, 1925, 1933-35
Maurice Epstein, 1926-28
Herman Hoffman, 1929-32, 1937
Max Moser, 1936
Arthur M. Laufer, 1938-39
Murray D. Gross, 1840-41
Harry B. Richard, 1942-43
Murray R. Paris, 1944-45

As far as I'm aware, this society continues to be active.

Robert Hanscom
Andover, Massachusetts

Researching (all >from Trencin Co.): Tauber, Zerkowitz, Knopfelmacher,
Kohn, Frankl-Kohn, Teschner, Lazar, Wilhelm, Popper, Zwillinger


Re: Name Schei #hungary

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

The name Simon as an equivalent is not unusual. My great-grandfather
was Shaya Danskoy. Once in the U.S. he changed his name to Simon.
Of course, the last name on the head stone somehow mysteriously
changed to Danskoi. So much for trying to track ancestors.

Leslie Weinberg


Hungary SIG #Hungary re: Name Schei #hungary

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

The name Simon as an equivalent is not unusual. My great-grandfather
was Shaya Danskoy. Once in the U.S. he changed his name to Simon.
Of course, the last name on the head stone somehow mysteriously
changed to Danskoi. So much for trying to track ancestors.

Leslie Weinberg


More name questions #hungary

cohentalk@...
 

Dear Members,

Are Yakov and Yankel equivalents? There was no listing for Yankel in Prof.Esterson's Name's Database.

How about the names "Natan Nitta" and "Natan Note"--are they the same names?-- which would mean I made a mistake with the vowels.

Are Kreindel and Sheindel the same name?

Thanks for your help.

Best Wishes,
Linda Cohen
Michigan USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary More name questions #hungary

cohentalk@...
 

Dear Members,

Are Yakov and Yankel equivalents? There was no listing for Yankel in Prof.Esterson's Name's Database.

How about the names "Natan Nitta" and "Natan Note"--are they the same names?-- which would mean I made a mistake with the vowels.

Are Kreindel and Sheindel the same name?

Thanks for your help.

Best Wishes,
Linda Cohen
Michigan USA


Rosh haShana in Barcelona #general

Julia Maria Koszewska <julia_koszewska@...>
 

Simmilar question:
for Rosh ha Shana I'll be in Barcelona. Does anyone have information about
synagogue in Barcelona?
Best regards- Julia

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rosh haShana in Barcelona #general

Julia Maria Koszewska <julia_koszewska@...>
 

Simmilar question:
for Rosh ha Shana I'll be in Barcelona. Does anyone have information about
synagogue in Barcelona?
Best regards- Julia

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Adolph WEINER: Bohemia to SF? #usa

JUDITH BERLOWITZ <jberlowitz@...>
 

Dear Siggers,
While transcribing the Colma (San Francisco, California) burial records for JOWBR,
I came across the name Adolph WIENER, born in Bohemia, who died at age 67, and
whose remains were transferred to Colma in 1912 (possibly several years after
death, as San Francisco cemeteries moved their holdings to Colma beginning in the
1890's).
This entry sparked a bit of excitement, as I have in my database a 3rd cousin,
once removed, Adolph WEINER, son of my gggaunt, Theresia FR(O)ESCHL of Revnice,
Czech Republic, and Mr. WEINER of Svinare, CR.

I searched the SF Call Newspaper's Vital Records Database (which ends in
1898)and found an Adolphe WIENER, who had died at an earlier age. Then I found
an Adolph WEINER listed as father of a son born in 1871, which leads me to wonder
if a transcriber's error had caused a letter reversal.

WEINER and WIENER are, of course, as Prague genealogist Julius Muller reminded me,
names of totally separate origins; WEINER referring to a wine dealer and WIENER
referring to Viennese (Wien) origins, but transcribers erring as they do, I still
wonder if anyone has any knowledge of the WEINER family of Bohemia having found
their way to San Francisco.

Judith Berlowitz Berkeley, California, USA

Searching (short list): ALEXANDER
(Prussia-Wisconsin-Chicago), FRESCHL (Czech
Republic-Milwaukee), GATTMAN (Budapest-Chicago),
GLICKAUF (Czech Republic-Chicago,) GOLDSMITH
(Netherlands-New York), MARKWELL
(Prussia-Wisconsin-Chicago), PHILIPSBORN
(Prussia-Chicago), SAMISCH (Czech
Republic-Kansas),SHAKMAN (Czech Republic-Chicago)


Early American SIG #USA Adolph WEINER: Bohemia to SF? #usa

JUDITH BERLOWITZ <jberlowitz@...>
 

Dear Siggers,
While transcribing the Colma (San Francisco, California) burial records for JOWBR,
I came across the name Adolph WIENER, born in Bohemia, who died at age 67, and
whose remains were transferred to Colma in 1912 (possibly several years after
death, as San Francisco cemeteries moved their holdings to Colma beginning in the
1890's).
This entry sparked a bit of excitement, as I have in my database a 3rd cousin,
once removed, Adolph WEINER, son of my gggaunt, Theresia FR(O)ESCHL of Revnice,
Czech Republic, and Mr. WEINER of Svinare, CR.

I searched the SF Call Newspaper's Vital Records Database (which ends in
1898)and found an Adolphe WIENER, who had died at an earlier age. Then I found
an Adolph WEINER listed as father of a son born in 1871, which leads me to wonder
if a transcriber's error had caused a letter reversal.

WEINER and WIENER are, of course, as Prague genealogist Julius Muller reminded me,
names of totally separate origins; WEINER referring to a wine dealer and WIENER
referring to Viennese (Wien) origins, but transcribers erring as they do, I still
wonder if anyone has any knowledge of the WEINER family of Bohemia having found
their way to San Francisco.

Judith Berlowitz Berkeley, California, USA

Searching (short list): ALEXANDER
(Prussia-Wisconsin-Chicago), FRESCHL (Czech
Republic-Milwaukee), GATTMAN (Budapest-Chicago),
GLICKAUF (Czech Republic-Chicago,) GOLDSMITH
(Netherlands-New York), MARKWELL
(Prussia-Wisconsin-Chicago), PHILIPSBORN
(Prussia-Chicago), SAMISCH (Czech
Republic-Kansas),SHAKMAN (Czech Republic-Chicago)


INTRO - researching FRIEDLAND in Stettin, Breslau, and Berlin #germany

Paul Gordon <flash@...>
 

MOD NOTE: We encourage every new GerSig Member to send us a "Hello" and "INTRO"
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Hello. My name is Paul Gordon, and I am new to the group.

I am researching three brothers named FRIEDLAND who were born around the
1840s-1850s. Born in the Russian town of Ariogala, near Kovno, they
emigrated to Germany as boys or as young men.

First brother - Herrman FRIEDLAND had a lumber yard in Stettin. He had at
least three children:
1. Lucy, who married Herrman LEVY in Stettin in 1902;
2. Emma, who married Adolf MARKUS in Stettin in 1919; and
3. Siegfried, who was born around 1888 in Stargard. He was a confectioner
and visited an uncle named Pagel KAUFMANN in New York in 1910.

Second brother - Siegmund or Shalom Tuviya FRIEDLAND was a cantor in
Breslau. He was apparently well-renowned. In the 1899 Breslau city
directory, he is listed as the cantor of the New Synagogue.

Third brother - Bernhard FRIEDLAND, the youngest brother, is the one I know
most abou. I am in contact with some of his descendants, who have told me a
great deal about his other descendants. Bernhard was living in Stargard in
the early 1880s, and he moved to Stettin around 1883. He eventually settled
in Berlin. He was married to Frederike Lipschitz, and I believe that they
had five children:
1. Martin, born in Stargard in 1881, was a famous musicologist.
2. Adalbert, born in Stettin in 1885, married Charlotte NEUFELD.
3. Else married Otto LIEBKNECHT.
4. Hans
5. Willi and his wife Herta were murdered at Aushwitz.

There was also a relative named Max FRIEDLAND who I believe lived in Elbing
(Elblad). I know nothing else about him. Possibly he was a son of Herrman
or Siegmund/Shalom Tuvia.

Because I know so little about brothers Herrman and Siegmund (Shalom Tuvia),
I am especially interested in finding out more about them and whether they
have any living descendants.

Although I have been doing genealogical research for many years and consider
myself relatively skilled at it, I don't have a lot of experience with
German genealogy. Unfortunately, I don't speak or read German. I have been
able to use some of the German resources available through the Family
History Center (e.g., Stettin marriage records, various city directories).
And, of course, the names are registered in the JGFF.

I'm hopeful that I'll be able to learn more about these three brothers.

Paul Gordon Silver Spring, Maryland (right outside Washington, DC)


German SIG #Germany INTRO - researching FRIEDLAND in Stettin, Breslau, and Berlin #germany

Paul Gordon <flash@...>
 

MOD NOTE: We encourage every new GerSig Member to send us a "Hello" and "INTRO"
message. This one is an excellent example:

Hello. My name is Paul Gordon, and I am new to the group.

I am researching three brothers named FRIEDLAND who were born around the
1840s-1850s. Born in the Russian town of Ariogala, near Kovno, they
emigrated to Germany as boys or as young men.

First brother - Herrman FRIEDLAND had a lumber yard in Stettin. He had at
least three children:
1. Lucy, who married Herrman LEVY in Stettin in 1902;
2. Emma, who married Adolf MARKUS in Stettin in 1919; and
3. Siegfried, who was born around 1888 in Stargard. He was a confectioner
and visited an uncle named Pagel KAUFMANN in New York in 1910.

Second brother - Siegmund or Shalom Tuviya FRIEDLAND was a cantor in
Breslau. He was apparently well-renowned. In the 1899 Breslau city
directory, he is listed as the cantor of the New Synagogue.

Third brother - Bernhard FRIEDLAND, the youngest brother, is the one I know
most abou. I am in contact with some of his descendants, who have told me a
great deal about his other descendants. Bernhard was living in Stargard in
the early 1880s, and he moved to Stettin around 1883. He eventually settled
in Berlin. He was married to Frederike Lipschitz, and I believe that they
had five children:
1. Martin, born in Stargard in 1881, was a famous musicologist.
2. Adalbert, born in Stettin in 1885, married Charlotte NEUFELD.
3. Else married Otto LIEBKNECHT.
4. Hans
5. Willi and his wife Herta were murdered at Aushwitz.

There was also a relative named Max FRIEDLAND who I believe lived in Elbing
(Elblad). I know nothing else about him. Possibly he was a son of Herrman
or Siegmund/Shalom Tuvia.

Because I know so little about brothers Herrman and Siegmund (Shalom Tuvia),
I am especially interested in finding out more about them and whether they
have any living descendants.

Although I have been doing genealogical research for many years and consider
myself relatively skilled at it, I don't have a lot of experience with
German genealogy. Unfortunately, I don't speak or read German. I have been
able to use some of the German resources available through the Family
History Center (e.g., Stettin marriage records, various city directories).
And, of course, the names are registered in the JGFF.

I'm hopeful that I'll be able to learn more about these three brothers.

Paul Gordon Silver Spring, Maryland (right outside Washington, DC)


INTRO - Searching: PONGER Elias, bur. Zentral Friedhof 1 Vienna #germany

John Ponger <johnp@...>
 

I have a request for a member who might soon be visiting Zentral Friedhof
1 TOR Vienna to do his/her own research.

I need extra details >from a specific grave there.
The known details are as follows. Grave of Elias PONGER
buried 22 August 1915 . His grave is at group 8 row 34 Grave 17 A . I need
to know what is the Hebrew name (or Latin) name of his father. It should be
written on his grave in Hebrew that he is the son of someone. Anyone who can
help me I would appreciate it. My Jewish Gen no is 106404 and I am
researching the PONGER family originally >from Moravia/Western Slovakia.
Thank you very much in advance and I look forward to hearing >from anyone.

Kind regards, John Ponger Jerusalem ISRAEL <johnp@pioneer-offshore.com>


German SIG #Germany INTRO - Searching: PONGER Elias, bur. Zentral Friedhof 1 Vienna #germany

John Ponger <johnp@...>
 

I have a request for a member who might soon be visiting Zentral Friedhof
1 TOR Vienna to do his/her own research.

I need extra details >from a specific grave there.
The known details are as follows. Grave of Elias PONGER
buried 22 August 1915 . His grave is at group 8 row 34 Grave 17 A . I need
to know what is the Hebrew name (or Latin) name of his father. It should be
written on his grave in Hebrew that he is the son of someone. Anyone who can
help me I would appreciate it. My Jewish Gen no is 106404 and I am
researching the PONGER family originally >from Moravia/Western Slovakia.
Thank you very much in advance and I look forward to hearing >from anyone.

Kind regards, John Ponger Jerusalem ISRAEL <johnp@pioneer-offshore.com>


Re: NATHAN and LEIDESDORF #germany

Jeanette R. Rosenberg <106503.3561@...>
 

Elsebeth Palkin cc Gersig List
You asked recently about people with the last names NATHAN and LEIDESDORF.
I own a copy of a useful but not always factually correct book by the late
Klaus Schulte entitled
"Familienbuch der Deutzer Juden". The book was published in 1972 by
Boehlau-Verlag Koeln. It is also publication 67 by the Stadtarchiv von Koeln,
ISBN 3412043923. The book is now out of print but is sometimes available
second hand >from antiquarian bookshops.

In the book you can find many mentions of well established Koeln area
families of these names. In particular the NATHAN family. Several LEUDESDORFs
appear as witnessesto marriages for my family members but I do not know if they
are the correct family.

I would be happy to continue this discussion with you off list if it is of
any use to you. with kind regards

Jeanette ROSENBERG London UK email 106503.3561@compuserve.com

Successfully researching and locating the correct MEYER & HEUMANN families
in Koeln Muelheim! Also searching for families HORN NATHAN DAVID SIMON all in
Koeln Mulheim and many more families throughout Rhineland Germany.


German SIG #Germany RE: NATHAN and LEIDESDORF #germany

Jeanette R. Rosenberg <106503.3561@...>
 

Elsebeth Palkin cc Gersig List
You asked recently about people with the last names NATHAN and LEIDESDORF.
I own a copy of a useful but not always factually correct book by the late
Klaus Schulte entitled
"Familienbuch der Deutzer Juden". The book was published in 1972 by
Boehlau-Verlag Koeln. It is also publication 67 by the Stadtarchiv von Koeln,
ISBN 3412043923. The book is now out of print but is sometimes available
second hand >from antiquarian bookshops.

In the book you can find many mentions of well established Koeln area
families of these names. In particular the NATHAN family. Several LEUDESDORFs
appear as witnessesto marriages for my family members but I do not know if they
are the correct family.

I would be happy to continue this discussion with you off list if it is of
any use to you. with kind regards

Jeanette ROSENBERG London UK email 106503.3561@compuserve.com

Successfully researching and locating the correct MEYER & HEUMANN families
in Koeln Muelheim! Also searching for families HORN NATHAN DAVID SIMON all in
Koeln Mulheim and many more families throughout Rhineland Germany.