Re: genealogy forums in russian to overcome brick wall in research? #russia #ukraine


Trying genealogy forums in Russian is an excellent idea because English-based web sites like Ancestry and Myheritage have little to no information about Soviet Russia and other Soviet republics. Most participants in Russian language forums are as willing to help as those on JewishGen (of course, few pompous asses always come with the territory but they can be ignored).  For non-Russian speakers, if a question, a point, or an idea are expressed in short simple sentences, then the online translators will do pretty good job conveying the essence of a request.


Regarding Donetsk, it is still a war zone. Remember the Crimean Peninsula takeover by the Russians? The hostilities are still not over.  One unfortunate outcome of the war specifically for genealogists was that since 2014 the Russians terminated the access from Ukraine to social media sites based in Russia. So, a question posted on a “Russian” forum may not be visible to those who are physically in Ukraine.


If Lazar Yurovsky was an engineer, or a manager at a plant or a mine in Donbass and later in the Urals, he may be mentioned in one of the many books about Jewish contribution to the Soviet war efforts. These books were published mostly in Israel, but some in the USA and in Russia in the last 30 years.

Boris Feldblyum    boris@...

Do Revision Lists include all children in a household? #lithuania


Do Revision Lists limit the number of children listed from one household?
My great grandfather was born in 1851 in Ziezmariai, Lithuania.  He had several siblings who were born earlier.
Five of them were born  before 1850, but only three are on the 1850 RL.
By 1858 there were 4 more children born, but only one more child was added to this list.

Would appreciate any help.    Susan  <suski2@...>
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The Galitzianer: Call for Papers #galicia #announcements

Gesher Galicia SIG

Gesher Galicia’s journal, the Galitzianer, invites members and
non-members of Gesher Galicia to submit articles with a clear
connection to Jewish life in Austrian Galicia (1772–1918). Submissions
can also relate to Jewish life in the territory of former Galicia
during the interwar period and the Holocaust.

We welcome stories about Jewish history, culture and family life in
Galicia, as well as discussions of heritage sites and interesting
archival records. In particular, we are currently seeking submissions
on western Galician towns.

Prior to submitting an article, please contact me at
submissions@... with a brief description of your
proposal. Once accepted, all articles undergo editorial review and
revisions to make sure they conform to the style and standards of the
journal. We also welcome excerpts from books or manuscripts that you
have previously written, as long as you obtain any necessary reprint permission and make sure that the excerpt you submit fits within our 2500-word recommendation.

For other information about the Galitzianer, including instructions
for authors, please consult our website at

Thank you,    
Jodi G. Benjamin,  Editor, The Galitzianer   Gesher Galicia

Send all inquiries to submissions@...

Recent experience with Latvian Archives #latvia


This is a Part 2 to my previous message on Latvia SIG@lyris from April 9, 2020. To review, following a preliminary exchange of emails, I sent the Latvian Archives my initial deposit of 70 Euros on 23 December, by electronic transfer from my local bank, along with an emailed list of Latvian ancestors I had questions about. There were then some emails back and forth to clarify what they were finding and what I was looking for. They completed their search in 3 months, as of 30 March, and said they had collected 73 electronic files to send me once final payment was received. I sent them the final electronic money transfer on 9 April and, seven days later, received a Zip file from the Archive by email. The files consisted of copies of 13 Latvian passports (with photos), 2 marriage records (written in Cyrillic and Hebrew), 2 birth records (in Cyrillic and Hebrew), 2 divorce records (in German) [regarding the divorce of two Great-Uncles who divorced their Lutheran wives in order to save them and their children from being placed into Riga Ghetto ! ], 1 passport application (with photo), and an excellent 5-page summary, in English, of what additional information the Archive was able to gather regarding the ancestors I asked them to research.
For those of you who might be expecting to receive actual paper copies, you are in for a surprise; that is no longer done. Everything now is electronic: as I said above, you will receive a Zip file by email. I am in my early 70's, so - unlike my children and grandchildren - what to do with such things does not come intuitively to me. However, I found that the process goes something like this: Open up the email, double-click on the attached Zip File, when it opens up at the bottom of your screen, click "download" and install it on your computer [the Zip File you get from the Archives expires after two weeks, I believe, so you can't just leave the files there]. Once downloaded onto your computer, you will want to open up the individual files - and their subfiles - and then put it on Half-Screen format. Then bring up where you want the files to reside on your computer (such as "My Pictures" or Word files in "My Documents" or create a new folder such as "Latvian Archives", then place that receiving location on Half-Screen format, as well - so that you have the Zip file screen and the destination file screen side-by-side on your computer screen - and then individually drag-and-drop the files from the temporary Zip File to the location on your computer where you want to permanently keep them. As you bring the individual files over, one at a time, right-click your mouse and rename them so you will know what each file contains. Once you have completed that process, you can then print out hard copies as Word documents, for example. I don't guarantee that what I did will necessarily work for you. I might not have explained it accurately enough. The procedure will also vary depending on what operating system and what version of that OS your computer is using. If in doubt, ask your children or grandchildren, they probably know how to do it !
I hope my experience with the Latvian Archives and this information will be of use to those of you who are considering contacting the Latvian Archives. Remember that a human being is only dead when the memory of him has also died. Keep the memory of your ancestors alive for the next generation !
George Mason    <gmason3815@...>

Town Map of Bender translated into English #bessarabia

R Jaffer

The last of our available town maps for Bessarabia has been translated and uploaded to the Sig website. The map for Bender was from the Yizkor book, and I have asked Binny Lewis to also upload it to the online translation of the book, page 4.

To find the Bender and all other town maps at the Bessarabia Sig website, hover over "HISTORY AND GEOGRAPHY", then" MAPS", and click on "TOWN MAPS TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH."

Roberta Jaffer,   Massachusetts, USA  <robertajaffer@...>

Polish Archives - what can be expected? #poland


I have just finished receiving a number of documents from the Latvian Archives, documents such as birth and marriage records and copies of passports with photographs. Given the extensive destruction that Warsaw experienced during World War 2, what kinds of records could I expect to find from a search of the Polish Archives for ancestors that lived in Warsaw from the 1880's through 1943? Would it be mostly birth, marriage, and death records, such as are already available on-line, or would they also have passports with photos and other types of documents? What is the best way to contact the Archives or go about finding out information about my ancestors there?
Thank You,   George Mason    <gmason3815@...>

Isaac LAZAROV-London /Jerusalem -early 20th cent. #unitedkingdom #israel #usa

Yonatan Ben-Ari

According to a story in our family, my great great grandmother, Gittle
ABRAMOWITZ married , in a second marriage a gentleman from London,
Isaac LAZAROV (sp. ?) who was a widower (or divorcee) with over ten
children. It is said that he came to Jerusalem to find a wife and as
said above married my g.g.grandmother.

I'm not sure of the order of events but what is pretty sure that at
some point in her life she had lived in New Haven, Ct. It is said
that with LAZAROV she lived in Jerusalem. My guess is that it was
after her residence in New Haven.

Anyone recognize the above, Isaac LAZAROV. ?

TIA    Happy Israel Independence day       Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem   <yonibenari@...>

Joanne Brodkin #general


I am trying to contact Joanne Brodkin. Last week, she sent a short note to me through YouTube, and mentioned Tarnopol and Zbaraza.  I am hoping she is a member of Jewish Gen.
Please let me know how I might reach her. Thanks so much!

Susan J Gordon   <sjgwed@...>






Would appreciate any help in finding the location of a Polish estate where relatives lived.  They called the town “Steponika/Stepanika”, Kiev Gubernia.  They lived on the estate of a Polish count for whom their father, David Pritzker, worked as overseer of the sugar beet plantation and processing plant.  The family lived on the estate.  The lore is that the count bought the estate for his daughter, Alexandria, who was a child when the Pritzker’s worked there.


David’s sons took over the management in 1886 when David died.



They immigrated to the U.S. from 1887-1905.


Thanks for any assistance in locating “Steponika/Stepanika”.


Susan Miller

Re: Brick wall locating Anna Goldman #poland #unitedkingdom

Greg Tuckman

Hi Dick,
Thanks for considering helping out!  I know just about everything there is to know about my grandfather, and I have Anna's birth certificate from Poland so I know her father's name.  Yes, the name matches her headstone plus she is buried in a family plot with numerous relatives, although not her husband or any children.
I'm trying to find out information about her children and grandchildren.  It is an entire branch that is not represented in my family history.
Thanks for any help!

Re: Malat / Moletai Landmanshaft in S. Africa #southafrica #lithuania

Jack Berger

There is a chapter devoted to Malat/Moletai in my recent translation of the Utyan/Utena Memorial Book.
These two locations were close enough together, that there may have been mention of relatives.
If you are interested, contact me only off list.

Jack Berger    jsberger@...

The Ohr LaShomayim & The Sh'loh HaKadosh #rabbinic

Sharon Galkin <sharongalkin@...>

I am trying to find a *definitive* source for the ancestry of the Ohr LaShomayim (Rabbi Meir Rottenberg of Apt), specifically whether he was a descendant of the Sh'loh HaKadosh. Much appreciated.
Sharon Galkin,   Baltimore, MD    <sharongalkin@...>



Still looking for any information about my gt grandmother.  Her name with second husband was Sarah or Sura Hanna or Chana Aurebach. 
First husband was Kalman Blackiroff or Blyiakheroff or Blyiakirov.  Last heard from in Mariupul by sea of asoz about 1918--1920.
Probably from Belarus or Ukraine.  
Any information or ideas are greatly appreciated.

genealogy forums in russian to overcome brick wall in research? #russia #ukraine


I came to a brick wall sarching for my Yurovskii ancestors. They come from Lubny (in the Poltava region) which was the site of a mass shooting (no vital records or cemetry left
 Luckily I discovered on the Yad Vashem that one brother of my grand father Lazar, his wife Olga and their daughter Karina have been evacuated from Karakubstroy (now Ksomoslkye in the Dombass region) to Magnitogorsk in the Urals. I have tried to research them but to no avail (Ancestry, Myheritage, genanet....). A friend suggested the archives in Donetsk (closed for the time being).  I thought of genealogy forum in russian ? or else if anybody has an idea of a research tool. Any idea is welcome.

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Re: Avrum Geller #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Barbara Sontz

I am so sorry to hear this news.  My thoughts are with his family, who I know meant so much to him. 

Avrum really understood what community meant.  He was always eager to share and to teach. Early in my own work as a professional, he helped me to learn the ropes at the Municipal Archives and we spent a few nice post-research meals together. We once discovered that he had previously done work for a family that I was researching and he generously shared all of his research with me! 

He will be missed.  May his memory be a blessing.

Barbara Sontz
New York 

Re: Family Tree Chart Especially for Cousins etc. #general

Bernard Flam

Hello Joanne from lockdown in Paris,
Concerning names spelling, always remember that our ancestors left Yiddishland countries to other places : there, their name was phonetically transposed from Russian, Polish or Yiddish pronunciation to French, English, Italian or Spanish.
So branches of our familes got different spelling from same original names.
Your initial question was very interesting and you / we get a lot of amazing trees.
May I attach one mor from a DNA genealogy website.
Take care, abi gezunt
Bernard Flam
Archives & history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Workmen Circle) of France

Re: Is Bischofsburg Ostpreußen in the Town Finder the same place as "Bischofsburg Koenigsberg" #germany #poland

Jill Whitehead

Boundaries were very fluid in the past, due to wars, conquest etc. The area that was East Prussia around Olstyn/Allenstein went into Poland in 1945. When I visited my ancestral area in NE Poland in 2000 (Suwalki Lomza), with my husband and brother,  we had a look at some of the Prussian areas that went into Poland in 1945 in the vicinity of  Elk (formerly Lyck) and Gizycko, and the scenery and style of buildings were completely different to the Polish areas over the former border, even now. And the same is true for roads and rail - they still stop and go  N-S rather than E-W direction, due to now long-gone old borders.

However, the exception to this is Konigsberg itself. This became the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad. Konigsberg/Kaliningrad was the centre for the football world cup when it was held in Russia a few years ago. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey  UK

Re: Is Bischofsburg Ostpreußen in the Town Finder the same place as "Bischofsburg Koenigsberg" #germany #poland

Rodney Eisfelder

I looked up Julius Gerson at
and it shows that he was born at Bischofsburg in 1899, but was living at Koenigsberg in 1939.
So "Bischofsburg-Koenigsberg" is two places, not one.
Bischofsburg, now known as Biskupiec was the town where my great-grandfather's siblings were all born. It was in Kreis Roessel (Rößel) but is now in Powiat Olsztynski (Allenstein)

By the way, mappingthelives shows that Erna Czerninski née Gerson as well as Jacob and Manfred Czerninski and Käte Bohm lived at the same address as Julius in 1939. Erna was born at Nikolaiken in 1895.

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

Re: Avrum Geller #announcements #jgs-iajgs

Glenda Rubin

Very sad news. 
Avrum and I corresponded some 25 years ago about a possible Lenitz (aka Ilintsy) connection. 
My condolences to his family and the Jewish genealogy community.
Glenda Rubin. San Francisco Bay Area

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 7:19 AM Linda Cantor <lincanfamily@...> wrote:

It is with great sadness that I share with you the death of Avrum Geller after a long battle with cancer.  Avrum, a member of JGS (NY), was a professional genealogist, a volunteer in the Jewish community of New York, had been a member of JGS’ Executive Council, and was a frequent speaker at JGS's as well as at IAJGS conferences.  Most importantly he was a husband, son, father and grandfather to a loving family.

He was always willing to help others and had an amazing knowledge of genealogy and genealogical research, especially in New York City.  Avrum, we will all miss you.

Linda Cantor. for JGS,  NY

Seeking the SILBER family in London #unitedkingdom

Neil Rosenstein

Trying to make contact with the Silver (originally Zilber) family who
settled in London. Abraham Silber (1940-2020) was married to Rikel
Breuer was the son of R. Dr. Mordechai Zvi Silber, born in Radzinow in
1909, PhD (Vienna), ABD Novy Sad/Ujridek until WWII and Mordechai was
son of Yaakov Zilber of Dzikov, descendants of the Horowitz family
from Piotrkow.

Neil Rosenstein <neilrosenstein@...> 
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