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Thanks, Names #ukraine

Deborah Glassman <dgg2020@...>
 

SUBJECT - Thanks, Names
So may people take the time to write helpful responses to questions on this
board, I wanted to thank all who got back to me. Still would like to learn
about specifically Jewish or Jewish regional patterns on any textiles
though. But your answers about featherbeds, pillows, the sugar cube
someone's mother put in pillows for sweet dreams, were all great.

After I got a positive response >from another SIG member about this note I
thought that this memo about double names might be helpful to others also. A
way to thank-you all.

In two part names in Europe >from the eighteenth century to before the 1920s
and 30s, the important name came second. The second name was the one in
common usage unless the person always used both. In many years of research I
have found this over and over again, and it is not widely understood. My
grandmother did not know why she was called Rose when her name was Shana
Ruchel. My other grandmother also Rose was Hebrew-named Zipe Ratzi. A
great-grandfather named Haim Israel was called Srol (a form of Israel), an
ancestor Shlomo Meir had five grandsons named Meyer, and my
great-grandmother's cousin had no idea who the Yakov Moshe mentioned on her
uncle's tombstone was, she knew that grandfather until she moved at sixteen
and had always called him Zayda Moishe. Historically, renowned eighteenth
century figures: Yakov Yosef of Polonoyye called Yosef; Abraham Yankel
Friedmann of Sadigora called Rebbe Yankel, Jacob Moshe Gins called Moses
Gins. This most clearly applies where the first and second parts were not
kinnui (associated name) or nickname or translation of each other, though
even in each of those, the name that came second was most often used
(Benjamin Wolf would be called Wolf; Israel Iser would be called Iser and
Dov Ber would be called Ber) but genealogically it is important to realize
that a Pinchas Leib might be in the records as Leib or even as Yehuda, the
name for which Leib is a kinnui.

Good hunting and thanks again to all of you.



Deborah Glassman
Elkins Park PA

Researching SOLOMONs >from Khmelnik, Krasnopolye, and Chudnov; FELDMANs from
Khmelnik; the families of Rabbi Avrum Dov of Khmelnik, Rabbi Jacob Israel
Halprin of Khmelnik, and Rabbi Abraham David Zabarska of Ostropol. KLEIMANs,
FORMANs, WEISS and ZURAWSKY >from Bralov, Chigirin, and Cherkassy.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Thanks, Names #ukraine

Deborah Glassman <dgg2020@...>
 

SUBJECT - Thanks, Names
So may people take the time to write helpful responses to questions on this
board, I wanted to thank all who got back to me. Still would like to learn
about specifically Jewish or Jewish regional patterns on any textiles
though. But your answers about featherbeds, pillows, the sugar cube
someone's mother put in pillows for sweet dreams, were all great.

After I got a positive response >from another SIG member about this note I
thought that this memo about double names might be helpful to others also. A
way to thank-you all.

In two part names in Europe >from the eighteenth century to before the 1920s
and 30s, the important name came second. The second name was the one in
common usage unless the person always used both. In many years of research I
have found this over and over again, and it is not widely understood. My
grandmother did not know why she was called Rose when her name was Shana
Ruchel. My other grandmother also Rose was Hebrew-named Zipe Ratzi. A
great-grandfather named Haim Israel was called Srol (a form of Israel), an
ancestor Shlomo Meir had five grandsons named Meyer, and my
great-grandmother's cousin had no idea who the Yakov Moshe mentioned on her
uncle's tombstone was, she knew that grandfather until she moved at sixteen
and had always called him Zayda Moishe. Historically, renowned eighteenth
century figures: Yakov Yosef of Polonoyye called Yosef; Abraham Yankel
Friedmann of Sadigora called Rebbe Yankel, Jacob Moshe Gins called Moses
Gins. This most clearly applies where the first and second parts were not
kinnui (associated name) or nickname or translation of each other, though
even in each of those, the name that came second was most often used
(Benjamin Wolf would be called Wolf; Israel Iser would be called Iser and
Dov Ber would be called Ber) but genealogically it is important to realize
that a Pinchas Leib might be in the records as Leib or even as Yehuda, the
name for which Leib is a kinnui.

Good hunting and thanks again to all of you.



Deborah Glassman
Elkins Park PA

Researching SOLOMONs >from Khmelnik, Krasnopolye, and Chudnov; FELDMANs from
Khmelnik; the families of Rabbi Avrum Dov of Khmelnik, Rabbi Jacob Israel
Halprin of Khmelnik, and Rabbi Abraham David Zabarska of Ostropol. KLEIMANs,
FORMANs, WEISS and ZURAWSKY >from Bralov, Chigirin, and Cherkassy.


JCR: Death Certificates #unitedkingdom

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Lorraine,

I must concur with Jackye Sullins. I must have been asleep at the
wheel not to have noticed a change in the UK authority's issuance of
death certificates, Looking at one issued by the FRC, the columns
are: certificate number, when/where died, name and surname, sex, age,
occupation, cause of death, signature, description and residence of
informant, when registered, signature of registrar. This was for
someone who died in 1939, but was retrieved in 1986.

On the other hand, I have a local authority death certificate issued
in Watford, Hertfordshire for a 2002 death and the only real
difference is the box for "qualification" of the informant, who in
this case was an "occupier" - hardly a next of kin!

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-London, England
Berkeley, California, USA


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom JCR: Death Certificates #unitedkingdom

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Lorraine,

I must concur with Jackye Sullins. I must have been asleep at the
wheel not to have noticed a change in the UK authority's issuance of
death certificates, Looking at one issued by the FRC, the columns
are: certificate number, when/where died, name and surname, sex, age,
occupation, cause of death, signature, description and residence of
informant, when registered, signature of registrar. This was for
someone who died in 1939, but was retrieved in 1986.

On the other hand, I have a local authority death certificate issued
in Watford, Hertfordshire for a 2002 death and the only real
difference is the box for "qualification" of the informant, who in
this case was an "occupier" - hardly a next of kin!

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-London, England
Berkeley, California, USA


Sezam Iza Data Base - KLEPFISZ #poland

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Through the SEZAM IZA Data Base, I have found the following entry
for the surname KLEPFISZ which is a surname of my ancestors >from
Poland which I am researching:

Inventory75/29/0/119; Sprawa z powództwa Jana Dziuby przeciwko
wdowie Libie Klepfisz o przyznanie prawa w³asno&#339;ci; 1922-1922;
poszyt; stan dobry; mieszana; ; polski; ; ; ; ; ;

As I do not read or understand Polish, I am wondering if one of our
members may be able to tell me what this record is? Any help you can
provide would be most appreciated! You may respond to me privately
at cattheater@yahoo.com.

Thank you!

Eizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA


JRI Poland #Poland Sezam Iza Data Base - KLEPFISZ #poland

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Through the SEZAM IZA Data Base, I have found the following entry
for the surname KLEPFISZ which is a surname of my ancestors >from
Poland which I am researching:

Inventory75/29/0/119; Sprawa z powództwa Jana Dziuby przeciwko
wdowie Libie Klepfisz o przyznanie prawa w³asno&#339;ci; 1922-1922;
poszyt; stan dobry; mieszana; ; polski; ; ; ; ; ;

As I do not read or understand Polish, I am wondering if one of our
members may be able to tell me what this record is? Any help you can
provide would be most appreciated! You may respond to me privately
at cattheater@yahoo.com.

Thank you!

Eizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA


Valkeriss, Russia #lithuania

Laurence Morrell <emorrell@...>
 

I am trying to locate the following town-Valkeriss. I found the name in
some information about my GGF. However, I have doubts about the name. My
great aunt had it in her notes as being in Russia. I looked in in
Shtetlefinder, but there was nothing. I'm sure it is a misspelling (V
should be W ) Any suggestions. ?

Laurence Morrell
Maitland Florida

seeking: Morrell, Marel, Pat, Patt, Romanov, Romanoff, Oruskes,
Sniadovitz,


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Valkeriss, Russia #lithuania

Laurence Morrell <emorrell@...>
 

I am trying to locate the following town-Valkeriss. I found the name in
some information about my GGF. However, I have doubts about the name. My
great aunt had it in her notes as being in Russia. I looked in in
Shtetlefinder, but there was nothing. I'm sure it is a misspelling (V
should be W ) Any suggestions. ?

Laurence Morrell
Maitland Florida

seeking: Morrell, Marel, Pat, Patt, Romanov, Romanoff, Oruskes,
Sniadovitz,


Able to search ONLY New Additions to ALD? #lithuania

susan <chimes2weiner@...>
 

Is it possible to search the All Lithuania Database only for new
additions to the ALD?

It would be great if I could do a search that wouldn't repeat my
earlier search findings.

Susan Weiner, Boston, Massachusetts

SEARCHING:
CHIMES/CHAIMOWITZ (Krakes & Krekenava, Lithuania; South Africa; USA)
NEL (South Africa)
SAFER (New York City, NY)
SMITH (Scotland, South Africa)
VISHNOVICH/WEISS (Krakes, Lithuania; South Africa; USA)
WEINER (Sudilkov, Ukraine)


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Able to search ONLY New Additions to ALD? #lithuania

susan <chimes2weiner@...>
 

Is it possible to search the All Lithuania Database only for new
additions to the ALD?

It would be great if I could do a search that wouldn't repeat my
earlier search findings.

Susan Weiner, Boston, Massachusetts

SEARCHING:
CHIMES/CHAIMOWITZ (Krakes & Krekenava, Lithuania; South Africa; USA)
NEL (South Africa)
SAFER (New York City, NY)
SMITH (Scotland, South Africa)
VISHNOVICH/WEISS (Krakes, Lithuania; South Africa; USA)
WEINER (Sudilkov, Ukraine)


Kupiskis, Lithuania #lithuania

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I will be leaving in a few days for the dedication of the Kupiskis Wall of
Memory Holocaust Memorial along with 47 other descendants, some of whom are
Holocaust survivors, >from this shtetl.

If your family originated in Kupiskis which was also known as Kupishok and
you haven't already contacted me previously, please do so as I will provide
an update on this trip when I return.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Kupiskis, Lithuania #lithuania

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I will be leaving in a few days for the dedication of the Kupiskis Wall of
Memory Holocaust Memorial along with 47 other descendants, some of whom are
Holocaust survivors, >from this shtetl.

If your family originated in Kupiskis which was also known as Kupishok and
you haven't already contacted me previously, please do so as I will provide
an update on this trip when I return.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Kupiskis, Lithuania #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I will be leaving in a few days for the dedication of the
Kupiskis Wall of Memory Holocaust Memorial along with 47
other descendants, some of whom are Holocaust survivors,
from this shtetl.
If your family originated in Kupiskis which was also known
as Kupishok and you haven't already contacted me previously,
please do so as I will provide an update on this
trip when I return.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kupiskis, Lithuania #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I will be leaving in a few days for the dedication of the
Kupiskis Wall of Memory Holocaust Memorial along with 47
other descendants, some of whom are Holocaust survivors,
from this shtetl.
If your family originated in Kupiskis which was also known
as Kupishok and you haven't already contacted me previously,
please do so as I will provide an update on this
trip when I return.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Re: site mentioning exact death dates in Auschwitz !!! #general

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear Andres,

This list has been created >from the listing in the Journal Officiel of
France, Legifrance. The listing was developed >from those who claimed
death certificates for their lost family members. So it would seem that
someone has made such a claim >from the French government for the family
members you have found. It has nothing to do with German lists, etc.

There is a Link to both the sites of Legifrance, and the reformatting of
Daniel Carouge and Patrick Cheylan on the web site of the FrenchSIG
www.jewishgen.org/french which explains this matter.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
FrenchSIG

Andres Carciente wrote:

I have found in the www.mortsdanslescamps.com
site the death dates of members of my family
deported >from France.

I tried to contact Mr. Patrick CHEYLAN who is in
charge with the page, but did not get any answer.

I wanted to ask what is his source?
Did the germans keep any records in Auschwitz ???
I am asking, because he is not only providing the
year, but also the month and the day of death!!!

I would appreciate any orientation!
Thanks,

Andres Carciente
Budapest


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: site mentioning exact death dates in Auschwitz !!! #general

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear Andres,

This list has been created >from the listing in the Journal Officiel of
France, Legifrance. The listing was developed >from those who claimed
death certificates for their lost family members. So it would seem that
someone has made such a claim >from the French government for the family
members you have found. It has nothing to do with German lists, etc.

There is a Link to both the sites of Legifrance, and the reformatting of
Daniel Carouge and Patrick Cheylan on the web site of the FrenchSIG
www.jewishgen.org/french which explains this matter.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
FrenchSIG

Andres Carciente wrote:

I have found in the www.mortsdanslescamps.com
site the death dates of members of my family
deported >from France.

I tried to contact Mr. Patrick CHEYLAN who is in
charge with the page, but did not get any answer.

I wanted to ask what is his source?
Did the germans keep any records in Auschwitz ???
I am asking, because he is not only providing the
year, but also the month and the day of death!!!

I would appreciate any orientation!
Thanks,

Andres Carciente
Budapest


JGS of Cleveland July meeting #general

C&V <proprius@...>
 

The July meeting of the JGS of Cleveland will be "Where Do I Go
from Here?". Gary Silverstein, Program Director, will present some new
data sources and guide us on our research paths. Maybe he will even be
able to break down some brick walls. If you need some ideas for your
next step, please write down your question and the sources you have
tried without success, and bring it to the meeting. Also, we will ask
each member to tell his/her favorite source for genealogical research.

When: 7:30 p.m., Wednesday, July 7
Where: Menorah Park Miller Boardroom (upstairs)
27100 Cedar Rd., Beachwood

Cynthia Spikell
1st V.P.


Re: Tomashpol #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

On July 2, 04 Norman Simms asked about Tomashpol, which he believes was a
suburb of Odessa. So far as I know, it was not not a suburb of Odessa. Its
connection to Odessa was through a railroad which ran >from Vinnitsa in Podolia to
Odessa.

Chester G. Cohen's "Shtetl Finder Gazetteer" says that Tomashpol was north
of Odessa and south of Vinnitsa. He notes that in 1884 the newspaper
"Hamelitz"published an article by Mosha Baran which concerned the eviction of the Jews
from the nearby village of Verbka. Hamelitz also published writings by Moshe
Zlotkin a correspondent. Tomashpol was the birthplace of Alexander Portnoff
who became a sculptor and painter in Philadelphia

A description of Tomashpol can be found in an essay on Podolian Shtetl
architecture, by Alla Sokolova in Gennady Estraikh and Mikhail Krutikov, eds. "The
Shtetl: Image and Reality," Papers of the Second Mendel Friedman
International Conference on Yiddis, European Homanities Reseach Center, University of
Oxford.2000. This book can be purchased used or new online and should be
available in situ or through an interlibrary book loan program at any good University
or Public library.

According to the Sokolova essay, the town was bordered by a small stream to
the west, and by the river Ruzny on the south. It had three main streets
which went >from the small square near a bridge. Its large synagogue was built
during the late eighteenth century. Three synagogues buildings. destroyed during
WWII, were in the late nineteenth to early twentieth century were located in
the terraces of common houses. The Roman Catholic Church stood on a high
plateau.

Sokolova writes that she was told by a Tomashpol resident that there was a
tradition of celebrating the Sukkoth on the loggias on the pediments of houses
with two-pitch gable roofs.

Page 67 of this book has an indistinct plan of Tomashpol showing the
location of its houses, its oldest stone synagogue and of a mikvah. It also shows
the "newer" synagogues, Russian Orthodox Churches, the Jewish cemetery and the
Roman Catholic Church.

A "google" search turned up several URLs, one of the Weisenthal Center,
which describes Tomashpol's Holocaust experience and another which says that the
famous sugar magnates Brodsky had a factory in Tomashpol.

My old Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer notes only that the town was noted for
sugar refining.

Miriam Weiner's "Jewish Roots in Ukraine and Moldova" says that some
Tomashpol army, census, death, marriage and notary records are located in Kamenetz
Podolsky warehoused archives. But she reported that parts of this archive
collection were damaged or lost during a fire in April 2003. What can be
restored and saved will be sent to the Khmelnitsky archives but, unless I am
mistaken, to date, Ms. Weiner has not learned and reported just what items were
salvaged nor when they will be available to look through.

(I wonder whether Norman Simms is the same Norman Simms of Waikato
University of New Zealand, with whom I correponded a couple of years ago.)

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, RADOMYSL?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Cleveland July meeting #general

C&V <proprius@...>
 

The July meeting of the JGS of Cleveland will be "Where Do I Go
from Here?". Gary Silverstein, Program Director, will present some new
data sources and guide us on our research paths. Maybe he will even be
able to break down some brick walls. If you need some ideas for your
next step, please write down your question and the sources you have
tried without success, and bring it to the meeting. Also, we will ask
each member to tell his/her favorite source for genealogical research.

When: 7:30 p.m., Wednesday, July 7
Where: Menorah Park Miller Boardroom (upstairs)
27100 Cedar Rd., Beachwood

Cynthia Spikell
1st V.P.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Tomashpol #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

On July 2, 04 Norman Simms asked about Tomashpol, which he believes was a
suburb of Odessa. So far as I know, it was not not a suburb of Odessa. Its
connection to Odessa was through a railroad which ran >from Vinnitsa in Podolia to
Odessa.

Chester G. Cohen's "Shtetl Finder Gazetteer" says that Tomashpol was north
of Odessa and south of Vinnitsa. He notes that in 1884 the newspaper
"Hamelitz"published an article by Mosha Baran which concerned the eviction of the Jews
from the nearby village of Verbka. Hamelitz also published writings by Moshe
Zlotkin a correspondent. Tomashpol was the birthplace of Alexander Portnoff
who became a sculptor and painter in Philadelphia

A description of Tomashpol can be found in an essay on Podolian Shtetl
architecture, by Alla Sokolova in Gennady Estraikh and Mikhail Krutikov, eds. "The
Shtetl: Image and Reality," Papers of the Second Mendel Friedman
International Conference on Yiddis, European Homanities Reseach Center, University of
Oxford.2000. This book can be purchased used or new online and should be
available in situ or through an interlibrary book loan program at any good University
or Public library.

According to the Sokolova essay, the town was bordered by a small stream to
the west, and by the river Ruzny on the south. It had three main streets
which went >from the small square near a bridge. Its large synagogue was built
during the late eighteenth century. Three synagogues buildings. destroyed during
WWII, were in the late nineteenth to early twentieth century were located in
the terraces of common houses. The Roman Catholic Church stood on a high
plateau.

Sokolova writes that she was told by a Tomashpol resident that there was a
tradition of celebrating the Sukkoth on the loggias on the pediments of houses
with two-pitch gable roofs.

Page 67 of this book has an indistinct plan of Tomashpol showing the
location of its houses, its oldest stone synagogue and of a mikvah. It also shows
the "newer" synagogues, Russian Orthodox Churches, the Jewish cemetery and the
Roman Catholic Church.

A "google" search turned up several URLs, one of the Weisenthal Center,
which describes Tomashpol's Holocaust experience and another which says that the
famous sugar magnates Brodsky had a factory in Tomashpol.

My old Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer notes only that the town was noted for
sugar refining.

Miriam Weiner's "Jewish Roots in Ukraine and Moldova" says that some
Tomashpol army, census, death, marriage and notary records are located in Kamenetz
Podolsky warehoused archives. But she reported that parts of this archive
collection were damaged or lost during a fire in April 2003. What can be
restored and saved will be sent to the Khmelnitsky archives but, unless I am
mistaken, to date, Ms. Weiner has not learned and reported just what items were
salvaged nor when they will be available to look through.

(I wonder whether Norman Simms is the same Norman Simms of Waikato
University of New Zealand, with whom I correponded a couple of years ago.)

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, RADOMYSL?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.