Hello SASig members

This is my first mail to this group . I have been doing genealogy research
in LitvakSig for about 6 months and I still consider myself a novice in
researching.

I'm searching for information regarding my fathers family prior to their
arrival in South Africa.

My father , Willy HERR - formally GER in Lithuania was one of 8 brothers and
sisters
They were Hirsha , Idel , Issac , Willie ( my father ) , Phillip and Ada
PATLANSKY nee HERR . They all arrived in South Africa in the 1920's and
settled in Potchefstroom , bar my father who settled first in Orient near
Magaliesberg and then moved to Parys . Two siblings , a brother Sunic and a
sister remained in Lithuania and all contact with them was lost .

Hirsha Herr was gabbai of the Potchefstroom shul for many years .

I'm searching for documents regarding their arrival in SA . or any
docunentation on the HERR / PATLANSKY families in Potchefstroom .

The family names and towns that I'm researching are

HERR - Rakiskis or Shadova , Potchefstroom
GER ( HERR ) - Rakiskis or Shadova , Orient Magaliesberg , Parys .

Zvi Herr . Kibbutz Tzora . Israel

Hello SASig members

This is my first mail to this group . I have been doing genealogy research
in LitvakSig for about 6 months and I still consider myself a novice in
researching.

I'm searching for information regarding my fathers family prior to their
arrival in South Africa.

My father , Willy HERR - formally GER in Lithuania was one of 8 brothers and
sisters
They were Hirsha , Idel , Issac , Willie ( my father ) , Phillip and Ada
PATLANSKY nee HERR . They all arrived in South Africa in the 1920's and
settled in Potchefstroom , bar my father who settled first in Orient near
Magaliesberg and then moved to Parys . Two siblings , a brother Sunic and a
sister remained in Lithuania and all contact with them was lost .

Hirsha Herr was gabbai of the Potchefstroom shul for many years .

I'm searching for documents regarding their arrival in SA . or any
docunentation on the HERR / PATLANSKY families in Potchefstroom .

The family names and towns that I'm researching are

HERR - Rakiskis or Shadova , Potchefstroom
GER ( HERR ) - Rakiskis or Shadova , Orient Magaliesberg , Parys .

Zvi Herr . Kibbutz Tzora . Israel

A frequent question in Jewish genealogy is "what was my ancestor's first
name in Hebrew, or English, or Yiddish, or ...?" The short answer is,
"There's no such thing as an equivalent." Some people translated their
names, some took names with the same first letter, and some took names
just because they liked them. Your great-grandmother Ann may have been a
Pesse. Or who knows what.

The long answer is more challenging, but may be helpful if you use it
wisely: while there's never a guarantee, some names are better
correlated than others. That means you can check on the favorites before
resorting to the long shots. JewishGen has a number of resources to help
you narrow the field:

As always, you should read the FAQ and look through the InfoFiles. The
names sections can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/faq.html#Names and
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/#Names . The FAQ contains a
bibliography of helpful books. The Name InfoFiles have a classic slide
presentation and a longer bibliography, among other resources.

There is also the Jewish Given Names Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ . It allows you to search
for European names and "new world" names, in either direction. It will
find Hebrew & Yiddish names, Yiddish nicknames, and the names often taken
in countries of immigration.

The Discussion Group Archives is at
http://www.jewishgen.org/cure/index.asp?from=http://data.jewishgen.org/wc
onnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~archpop .
(you may need to paste the URL together)
Many given name questions & answers have been posted to the Discussion
Group in the past. So try searching for your ancestor's name here. Put
in the name you know, and see what you get. If there are too many hits,
narrow the search by adding words such as "name" or "translation" or
"equivalent" or "English" or "Hebrew." If you get no hits, or too few,
try to guess some alternate spellings. Expect conflicting answers.

During your research, note down the possibilities, but don't get too
attached to one of them until you have further evidence. These resources
cannot give you a definite answer; they can only give you clues.

Posting given name questions to the Discussion Group is not encouraged,
because it most commonly results in two types of answer: people telling
you there's no equivalent, and people telling you what their great-aunt
Maisie's name was. Please give these other resources a fair shake --
they require a little work, but the benefits can be great. If you find
you do need more help and would like to ask the group, don't forget to
tell everyone where you've looked, what you've already learned, and what
kind of information you think you need. Do not ask for look-ups in books
-- we can't post those.

Thank you and good luck,

Barbara Niederhoff
for the JewishGen moderation team

A frequent question in Jewish genealogy is "what was my ancestor's first
name in Hebrew, or English, or Yiddish, or ...?" The short answer is,
"There's no such thing as an equivalent." Some people translated their
names, some took names with the same first letter, and some took names
just because they liked them. Your great-grandmother Ann may have been a
Pesse. Or who knows what.

The long answer is more challenging, but may be helpful if you use it
wisely: while there's never a guarantee, some names are better
correlated than others. That means you can check on the favorites before
resorting to the long shots. JewishGen has a number of resources to help
you narrow the field:

As always, you should read the FAQ and look through the InfoFiles. The
names sections can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/faq.html#Names and
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/#Names . The FAQ contains a
bibliography of helpful books. The Name InfoFiles have a classic slide
presentation and a longer bibliography, among other resources.

There is also the Jewish Given Names Database at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ . It allows you to search
for European names and "new world" names, in either direction. It will
find Hebrew & Yiddish names, Yiddish nicknames, and the names often taken
in countries of immigration.

The Discussion Group Archives is at
http://www.jewishgen.org/cure/index.asp?from=http://data.jewishgen.org/wc
onnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~archpop .
(you may need to paste the URL together)
Many given name questions & answers have been posted to the Discussion
Group in the past. So try searching for your ancestor's name here. Put
in the name you know, and see what you get. If there are too many hits,
narrow the search by adding words such as "name" or "translation" or
"equivalent" or "English" or "Hebrew." If you get no hits, or too few,
try to guess some alternate spellings. Expect conflicting answers.

During your research, note down the possibilities, but don't get too
attached to one of them until you have further evidence. These resources
cannot give you a definite answer; they can only give you clues.

Posting given name questions to the Discussion Group is not encouraged,
because it most commonly results in two types of answer: people telling
you there's no equivalent, and people telling you what their great-aunt
Maisie's name was. Please give these other resources a fair shake --
they require a little work, but the benefits can be great. If you find
you do need more help and would like to ask the group, don't forget to
tell everyone where you've looked, what you've already learned, and what
kind of information you think you need. Do not ask for look-ups in books
-- we can't post those.

Thank you and good luck,

Barbara Niederhoff
for the JewishGen moderation team

I am trying to get information for one of the members of my JGS that doesn't
have a computer. His family came >from Moldova to Brazil in 1913. They were
aided ty the Jewish Colonization Association >from London. My friend Sam
LERNIK is trying to find out where in Moldova his family came from.His
father is Leon LERNIK and grandfather is Shaia LERNIK or LERNINK. I
thought maybe the Jewish Colonization Association records might have lists
of who they helped. I have a spanish translation of some papers of Shaia
LERNINK that had been translated >from Russian. It says he came from
Besarabia, city of Kishinev. My friend Sam thinks they may have put
Kishinev because it was the closest big city.

The records seem to be at the Avraham Harman Institute of Contemporary
Jewrey at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem as the following records are
listed at their site:

The Jewish Colonization Association (JCA), chief office (Paris, later
London), files relating to Brazil, 1900-1914.

My question is: How do I find out if there are lists of names in the
records and how can I get someone there to help? Yes, I should have gone to
the conference next week and am sorry that I am missing it! I could have
looked it up myself!!!

Gay Lynne Kegan
President, JGS Palm Springs California

I am trying to get information for one of the members of my JGS that doesn't
have a computer. His family came >from Moldova to Brazil in 1913. They were
aided ty the Jewish Colonization Association >from London. My friend Sam
LERNIK is trying to find out where in Moldova his family came from.His
father is Leon LERNIK and grandfather is Shaia LERNIK or LERNINK. I
thought maybe the Jewish Colonization Association records might have lists
of who they helped. I have a spanish translation of some papers of Shaia
LERNINK that had been translated >from Russian. It says he came from
Besarabia, city of Kishinev. My friend Sam thinks they may have put
Kishinev because it was the closest big city.

The records seem to be at the Avraham Harman Institute of Contemporary
Jewrey at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem as the following records are
listed at their site:

The Jewish Colonization Association (JCA), chief office (Paris, later
London), files relating to Brazil, 1900-1914.

My question is: How do I find out if there are lists of names in the
records and how can I get someone there to help? Yes, I should have gone to
the conference next week and am sorry that I am missing it! I could have
looked it up myself!!!

Gay Lynne Kegan
President, JGS Palm Springs California

"Anne McLaughlin" < anne.mc@sympatico.ca > wrote:

London's Portuguese-Jewish Community -

I am looking for my 3rd great grand-mother's father. Sadly we know nothing
of his origins.

His name was Isaac Heineman PHINEAS (b/circa 1775/80 - death 1855/
Three-Rivers, Quebec, CA). He arrived alone in Quebec at the age of 18 or
20, in about 1798. He quickly became a merchant in Three-Rivers. He soon
married Hannah Cook and they had 6 children. No other Phineas family member
is known to have immigrated at this time.

Family lore has it that Isaac was born in the Portuguese-Jewish section of
London, England. Isaac was well educated and he could read and write English
fluently. Locating Passenger Records is quite difficult before 1865, in
Canada.

Was there a Portuguese-Jewish Community in London in the late 1700's? Where
would I look to find the residents of such a community? Any and all advice
is welcome.

Thanking you,

Anne, Montreal

See http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/brunning/melhado/bm.html "Bevis Mark
records". Bevis Marks is the synagogue in London of the Spanish and
Portuguese community. It is the oldest synagogue in the UK and it is over
300 years old. (My sister was married there.)

Nick Landau

London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

"Anne McLaughlin" < anne.mc@sympatico.ca > wrote:

London's Portuguese-Jewish Community -

I am looking for my 3rd great grand-mother's father. Sadly we know nothing
of his origins.

His name was Isaac Heineman PHINEAS (b/circa 1775/80 - death 1855/
Three-Rivers, Quebec, CA). He arrived alone in Quebec at the age of 18 or
20, in about 1798. He quickly became a merchant in Three-Rivers. He soon
married Hannah Cook and they had 6 children. No other Phineas family member
is known to have immigrated at this time.

Family lore has it that Isaac was born in the Portuguese-Jewish section of
London, England. Isaac was well educated and he could read and write English
fluently. Locating Passenger Records is quite difficult before 1865, in
Canada.

Was there a Portuguese-Jewish Community in London in the late 1700's? Where
would I look to find the residents of such a community? Any and all advice
is welcome.

Thanking you,

Anne, Montreal

See http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/brunning/melhado/bm.html "Bevis Mark
records". Bevis Marks is the synagogue in London of the Spanish and
Portuguese community. It is the oldest synagogue in the UK and it is over
300 years old. (My sister was married there.)

Nick Landau

London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

Dear Genners

Thanks to this site I have become a member of the *Turka* group and found
family members of ours in Israel.
Many thanks also to Alexander Sharon.
Now I know that my grandfather had two siblings, one brother and one sister
who went to the " free world ".
I am looking now for any descendants of Perla PELECH and Majer MOSZKOWITZ

from Turka on the Stryj.

If anyone has any information or has my ggrandparents in their family tree,
please e-mail me at boaz@iinet.net.au
I would also be very greatful for any information on how I could find out
when and how they entered the USA or Canada etc.
Thanks, Boaz

MODERATOR NOTE: One of JewishGen's most heavily visited sites is the
JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) and family connections are being made more
and more frequently. If you have not already done so, please log
onto www.jewishgen.org/jgff and using the ENTER/MODIFY procedure enter
and register all the surnames of interest to your family research. As you
learn about more names and places of origin, they can always be added, but
only **you** can keep your own listings up to date.

Dear Genners

Thanks to this site I have become a member of the *Turka* group and found
family members of ours in Israel.
Many thanks also to Alexander Sharon.
Now I know that my grandfather had two siblings, one brother and one sister
who went to the " free world ".
I am looking now for any descendants of Perla PELECH and Majer MOSZKOWITZ

from Turka on the Stryj.

If anyone has any information or has my ggrandparents in their family tree,
please e-mail me at boaz@iinet.net.au
I would also be very greatful for any information on how I could find out
when and how they entered the USA or Canada etc.
Thanks, Boaz

MODERATOR NOTE: One of JewishGen's most heavily visited sites is the
JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) and family connections are being made more
and more frequently. If you have not already done so, please log
onto www.jewishgen.org/jgff and using the ENTER/MODIFY procedure enter
and register all the surnames of interest to your family research. As you
learn about more names and places of origin, they can always be added, but
only **you** can keep your own listings up to date.

Thank you all for looking at the Russian postcard and the Yiddish
letter posted to VM last week. You have been enormously generous and
solved two mysteries. [I tried to reply privately to everybody who
wrote, but if you haven't heard >from me, my apologies, and accept my
sincere thanks!]

Michelle Frager
NY Metro area

Thank you all for looking at the Russian postcard and the Yiddish
letter posted to VM last week. You have been enormously generous and
solved two mysteries. [I tried to reply privately to everybody who
wrote, but if you haven't heard >from me, my apologies, and accept my
sincere thanks!]

Michelle Frager
NY Metro area

I have recently read about a Kollel Volin in Jerusalem.
Does anyone know if this kollel is still operational, and
if so who runs it (i.e. is it affiliated with any group)?

Finally, if it is operational, would anyone have a mailing
address?

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Paul W. Ginsburg
Rockville, Maryland
http://www.sudilkov.com

I have recently read about a Kollel Volin in Jerusalem.
Does anyone know if this kollel is still operational, and
if so who runs it (i.e. is it affiliated with any group)?

Finally, if it is operational, would anyone have a mailing
address?

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Paul W. Ginsburg
Rockville, Maryland
http://www.sudilkov.com

Kapciamiesis (Kopciowo in Polish and Kopcheve in Yiddish), Lithuania is a small
town a few km >from the Polish and Belarus border, at one time in the Suwalki
Gurbernia. We are pleased to announce that a new shtetl website is no online.

This will be an ongoing project with new information being added regularly.
If you have roots in Kopcheve, please contact us. The site address is:
www.Kapciamiestis.org

Connie Buchanan, Carol Hoffman, Dorothy Leivers

Kapciamiesis (Kopciowo in Polish and Kopcheve in Yiddish), Lithuania is a small
town a few km >from the Polish and Belarus border, at one time in the Suwalki
Gurbernia. We are pleased to announce that a new shtetl website is no online.

This will be an ongoing project with new information being added regularly.
If you have roots in Kopcheve, please contact us. The site address is:
www.Kapciamiestis.org

Connie Buchanan, Carol Hoffman, Dorothy Leivers

I am hoping to visit Czernowitz, Ukraine next MAy. I will be coming into, and
flying out of Europe at Manchester, England. I would appreciate any and all
information on traveling to Czernowitz, what places to visit to try to find
information on my ancestors, and information on guides translators and hotels.

Please contact me privately, and thanks for your help.
Bruce Wexler
Jackson, NJ USA
AJS1PRES@AOL.COM

I am hoping to visit Czernowitz, Ukraine next MAy. I will be coming into, and
flying out of Europe at Manchester, England. I would appreciate any and all
information on traveling to Czernowitz, what places to visit to try to find
information on my ancestors, and information on guides translators and hotels.

Please contact me privately, and thanks for your help.
Bruce Wexler
Jackson, NJ USA
AJS1PRES@AOL.COM

Thank you all for looking at the Russian postcard and the Yiddish
letter posted to VM last week. You have been enormously generous and
solved two mysteries. [I tried to reply privately to everybody who
wrote, but if you haven't heard >from me, my apologies, and accept my
sincere thanks!]

Michelle Frager
NY Metro area

Thank you all for looking at the Russian postcard and the Yiddish
letter posted to VM last week. You have been enormously generous and
solved two mysteries. [I tried to reply privately to everybody who
wrote, but if you haven't heard >from me, my apologies, and accept my
sincere thanks!]

Michelle Frager
NY Metro area